phuketjock

3 minutes ago, jspill said:

A friend of a friend got denied entry today and it's his first time ever in Thailand. 

 

He's Romanian, had a computer in hand luggage, and didn't have the 20k, so a bit more suspicious than a normal tourist.

 

Still, it's his first time in the Kingdom so that goes against the idea this is about long stay tourists. He's been in the airport 4 hours so far. Is not being allowed access to an ATM to withdraw money.

Already said that the money is not the overriding factor and if you are saying " bit more suspicious than a normal tourist "

then I suspect there is more to his story then you are telling us?

I am not up on things but I would have thought most people travel with a computer/laptop in their hand luggage unless

on an American flight?, I always did, so what makes him more suspicious???

13 hours ago, JohnLick said:

You should go back to Scotland mate,. Nobody wanna live there anyway, which obviously hurts your feelings.

 

For example, in Australia you can easily be student for 5 years, and be able to work for 20 hours a week (not for peanuts) ... all of this with an easy online application

I have no problem as I have the correct extension for my purpose of stay.

I don't think anyone including jspill is keen on studying in australia, why would they?

10 minutes ago, jspill said:

One is allowed to study on Ed visas for up to approximately 3 years, and an METV can be used for 9 months with three entries. One might say anything longer than 18-36 months is pushing it. Yet we see people getting denied after about 9-12 months, with a valid Ed visa and / or 20k. 

 

No one would complain about denials at around the 3 year point. But 9-12 months with an Ed visa and 20k? I suspect you're attempting to troll but they did in fact have a correct visa for their length of stay at that point. 

Let me get this straight you think a 9 month TOURIST visa should be good for 18 to 36 months without any problems

and you are accusing me of trolling, I have no idea where you're from but I know if you apply for a 6 month visa, in my

home country, or in fact in any country, it is good for 6 months and no more.

An Ed visa for learning Thai is for learning Thai and after 1 year, or even less, one would expect one to be able to hold

a short conversation in Thai, or not??

" No one would complain about denials at around the 3 year point."  You appear to be living in cloud cuckoo land mate

I had no idea I was dealing with a sandwich short of a picnic.

All the best to you and your, out of touch with reality, mates.

Any Photo shop ( Kodak, Fuji ) will have what you need.

4 hours ago, jspill said:

The German guy that got denied and flew to Laos that had 25k, and the US / Afghani that had over 20k and was flown to Manila. There are others who replied to threads but didn't start them. If you really insist I will go back and dig up all the threads and replies to them and yes my numbers are correct. Then the ~100 math is a projection, based on common sense that most people won't bother to write about their awful experience on TVF / FB. 

jspill I just did a brief check on google using the search "denied entry to Thailand " and found less than 10 people 

denied entry going back to 2014. so out of approximately 70,000,000+ visitors in that time and if we double the

number refused just to be sure we didn't miss any that would be a refusal rate of less than .0001% or 1 person

denied entry out of every  3.5 million visitors over the 3 years.

15 minutes ago, bberrythailand said:

 

You seem such an expert, we are lucky to have you here !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:-)

You don't need to be an expert to apply common sense, an attribute sadly lacking 

in too many, but not all, younger people today.

12 minutes ago, jspill said:

The German guy that got denied and flew to Laos that had 25k, and the US / Afghani that had over 20k. There are others who replied to threads but didn't start them. If you really insist I will go back and dig up all the threads and replies to them and yes my numbers are correct. Then the ~100 math is a projection, based on common sense that most people won't bother to write about their awful experience on TVF / FB.

I think you are well aware that the funds are not the overriding criteria on whether someone is 

allowed in or not. I think you are also well aware that all these posts on TV and, if any, on other

social media sites are completely one sided and are probably/possibly very unlikely to bear any

resemblance to what actually occurred or was said by both parties and without the view from both

sides it is not possible for you or me or indeed anyone to come to any viable conclusion. 

BTW 2 doesn't amount to several, that would be 3 or more.

4 minutes ago, jspill said:

I don't know what was unclear about my post, I said there may well be ~100 because for everyone that bothers to report it on TVF or FB groups, of which there are now over 15, there may be 5 or 6 others who didn't tell anyone. It's statistics. 

 

Anyone can search 'denied entry site:thaivisa.com' in Google and find the threads, then in the threads there's usually someone else who says yeah it happened to me too. About 15-20 in the last few months but I'm not diligently counting. So if there are 5 or 6 others per report that's about 100.

 

There are several reports of people having the 20k in funds and still being denied so you're being deliberately disingenuous there.

 

They're also not circumventing any rules whatsoever by, for example, staying 9 months on one METV, then flying out for 2 months, and returning. Or having three SETVs, then switching to an Ed visa to study Thai. Those two examples weren't doing anything untoward, and both had over 20k baht on their person. One of them I know personally.

Firstly I made no mention that i thought your post was unclear.

I merely asked you to verify your random numbers which quite clearly you cannot.

It would appear your maths is not all it could be either 

"About 15-20 in the last few months but I'm not diligently counting. So if there are 5 or 6 others per report that's about 100."  ???

What report?

I am certainly not being disingenuous at all you seem to be pulling figures out of you head. Where are these

"several reports of people having the 20k"??

We could go back and forth all day but the bottom line is, if the IO has any suspicions and the person does not come up with answers 

to dissuade those suspicions, he will probably not be allowed to gain entry end of.

Just because someone is/was a personal friend/acquaintance does not mean he/she is above the laws of Thailand.

1 minute ago, LivinginKata said:

 

Give Geoff a break. So many folks conflate Visa and annual Extension.  

I'm sorry LIK but it is because so many folks make this mistake that people who come on here for genuine info are 

badly mislead about visas and the clear distinction between them and extensions of stay. How would you like it

if you were given the wrong info and had to make a several hundred mile trip to your nearest immigration office 

armed with what you believed was the correct documents according to what you had gleaned from TV, only to find

that the docs you thought were good were in fact not correct and you had to go home and redo everything and make

the same long expensive trip the very next day? I, for one, would not be amused and is it really so difficult to use the 

correct terminology?  

If you have done this more years than you care to remember Geoff then you should know that you cannot 

extend a visa but that you can extend your permission to stay on the grounds of marriage to a Thai national

or retirement, it is not a VISA. If you have been extending for the many years you say your VISA expired long

ago.   

9 hours ago, jspill said:

You know it's more like 10 - 15, you're all over these threads. Anyway reports =/ number denied. For every report on Thaivisa or Facebook groups, there will be many more unreported cases. It may be over 100 people.

 

We can't really compare that to the total sample size of people entering the country either, most come once or less per year and stay on average 10 days, they aren't going to denied obviously.

 

If we only consider under 50s with a couple SETVs in their passport, maybe an METV or Ed visa here and there, then denials start to become more statistically significant. It's not something to trivialize especially when some of those denied had 20k+ in cash on their person.

jspill  I would be delighted to see your up front info on these 10-15 people denied? I would be even more delighted if you could

tell us who the over 100 are?

I fail to see what " you're all over these threads " has to do with anything, many people are reading and commenting on " these threads ".

Even if your figure of 100 were anywhere near factual out of more than 20 million people visiting Thailand every year it would be

insignificant in the extreme.

The people that have so far come to light on TV have had multiple visas/exempt entries in a short time and one did not meet the

money requirements, and two have admitted that they had an overstay against them. And that is only what they have admitted to

in their OPs, I would think there is probably more that they are not telling us?

If anyone is trying to sneak into the country under the radar like I, and seemingly the IO, suspect they were, they need to adjust their

technique massively.

Try getting the appropriate visa/extension/exempt for the purpose of your visit and i am quite sure, like the millions of tourists that

visit Thailand every year without any problems whatsoever, these people can do the same. 

Not withstanding the hundreds of thousands of people on legal extensions and proper Ed visas and legal working extensions.

As much as the " under 50s " feel that the rules are stacked against them they are the rules and Thailand is no different from any

other country, you either obey the rules or fall foul of them or stay away, not great choices but that's how it is like it or lump it.

It is not Thailands fault that many of the under 50s cannot meet the requirements to obtain a legal visa and if anyone tries to 

circumvent the rules they do so at their peril.

2 minutes ago, bberrythailand said:

So how many people have been denied entry ?

 

And how long can we stay at the area before immigration ?

 

 

 

2 or 3 out of several hundred thousand.

As long as you like if you can dodge the Immigration spotters.

4 minutes ago, Tony M said:

You can download a partially completed application form while you are completing it online. You don't have to wait for the application to be submitted before you can print it out. 

 

I have attached a printout of an online visit application that was completed and submitted.  I have deleted the identifying information (sorry that it looks a bit messy. I could have made it look pretty, but it is really just to give you an idea of what is involved) .  The online form is "intuitive", so if you answer "yes" to a question, it will bring up another question. So your form (or another applicant's form) may have different questions. For instance, where it asks if you have any other (previous) passport, and you answer "yes", it asks for details of the previous passport. If you answer "no", then you don't get asked for further details.

Sample online visa application form.pdf

Many thanks Tony that is just the ticket now I can explain to her what's what thanks.

Thanks to you too theoldgit for your help.

1 hour ago, darren1971 said:

It is an online application, you download and print it off after it is completed and paid for.

I realise that Darren that was the reason for my op to find out if there was

any way to print the application to enable me to walk her through it.

Tony M has come up with a solution.

One of my wife,s staff has a boyfriend in Manchester and she, and her boyfriend are planning

a visit to UK for her she has, I think, all the necessary paperwork and I was trying to download

and print the application form to help her fill it in but it would appear that you can only fill it out

and submit it online? Is this true or am I, not surprisingly, doing it wrong?

Any help appreciated.

I have been living in Thailand on an extension of permission to stay based on retirement

(it is not a visa ) for 9+ years now and I did attend a language school for two of those

years without any problems whatsoever. 

13 hours ago, LivinginKata said:

 

Not really true. All my guests/tenants had their own transport, never used taxis.

 

Our business has been 'decimated' by over development in the middle road, much cheaper prices by desperate operators (not even owners), offering very low room rates just to cover their immediate monthy bills. I have no idea how this pricing can be sustained given new build and land costs, and greedy builder owners. Oh well ... 

OK LIK but the people who don't have transport who used you before are not using you now, I venture,

which suggests that the the tuktuk/taxi mafia may have in fact affected your business to a degree.

 Or don't you agree with that?

On 7/20/2017 at 1:29 PM, PhuketSarah said:

I think folks flying into Thailand or not subjected to the same shearing as ones trying to do land  border crossings- esp from Malaysia.  I've crossed both  Sadao and Pedang Besar  many times and it's always a hassle one way or the other- usually having to go to "special service " counter. One is expected to have 200 baht in the passport.  

A visa agent in Penang has just yesterday posted on his FB page no more of the 200 baht EZ  Entry  though, 20,000 will be enforced.  He has not responded yet to whether applies to only Tourist visa but as post above I can attest I was hassled at PB on an O retirement 

Sarah you have been informed more than once that you no longer have a VISA far less a retirement visa or O retirement,

these things do NOT exist, you have a extension of stay based on retirement and if you continue to use the term " O retirement "

when you are doing your border hops I predict the high possibility that you will have further problems from the IO's.

This will amount to you self hassling.

17 hours ago, JackThompson said:

I always just avoided Sadao and used Pedang Besar.  But maybe, now, that will not be necessary.

It now appears from another thread that it was Padang Besar that Sarah had her

problems so all this talk about Sadao has been irrelevant.

 "I was asked at land crossing Pedang Besar  2 weeks ago to  show 20, 000".

" playground for the rich and famous " Patong?            

I met Jimmy White on Bangla once but unfortunately I missed Brad Pitt and Angelina.

You never know Trump might drop in?         

4 hours ago, madmax2 said:

Phuket jock is the only person posting on this topic who probably owns and operates a business in Patong and knows what he is talking about

Anyone who thinks that asking people who manage businesses or owns them for information about the businesses they own or operate will be given accurate information does not have a clue, probably has been previously employed as a manager and lost his/her job for giving out information they should not have

 

Anyone with a good profit making business will tell you want you want to here or miss inform you

Business managers rarely know everything about a business, they are just employed to manager staff and can be sacked at any time the owner wants to, they are just another paid employee and some think they are a lot more important than they really are

 

What wake patong will still be thriving long after i and all the other posters on this topic are dead and gone, the same as this topic will be, so i will not post on it again, its a total waste of time, not because the amature trolls, stalkers worry me

Spot on Max but unfortunately you forgot about LIK  who has been in business in Patong

for a very long time and now finds himself in the unfortunate position that all his Patong

businesses are in the Nanai area which has sadly been decimated by the greedy antics of

the tuktuk and taxi mafia. You are also correct about the wake nonsense wakes are for when

something/one dies and Patong is very much alive and kicking. This thread means nothing

to anyone with a brain.  

5 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

All you need to do is look in the news forum to find them.

I try not to look at the news these days Joe way too depressing.