noddy77

Hi,

For me the biggest threat to aviation is an uncontrollable fire onboard. As stated above the aviate, navigate and communicate technique is used extensively within aviation. The navigation part is get the aircraft pointed to where you want or need to go. With the uncontrollable fire case that option may well be to ditch the aircraft.

The final report on the UPS crash in the Middle East is a sobering account on how quickly things can develop.

Boeing's guidance on smoke fire or fumes that are uncontrollable dictates an immediate landing. If a severe situation then amongst the options is to consider ditching.

Satelites would have spotted any fire.

I would like to know this.

Does the USA always send out FBI to these situations so quickly?

Did they do that with Air france?

If they had to turn back why would they not divert to TGG. less than 100 km from last position. Almost within glide distance.

TGG?

Great that we have so many skilled Pilots here to tell us how to fly an aeroplane.

Now we just need someone skilled in finding them when they are missing.

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2014/03/11/19/08/woman-remembers-cockpit-fun-with-missing-pilot

This is very bad if its all true.

So much egg over Malaysian Ailines face. The old story with Asian airline carriers. Captains rule! No whistle blowing allowed.

I live near the airport in Sri lanka, i heard fighter jets liften now and went to the east . Its first time i hear them start from here since the war ended.. Can it be so they now the investigators have told the countries around malaccan straits to to check the Indian ocean terretories?

Yesterday i was in the province of Korat and i hear a lot of planes......but i know think that were from the nearest military bases.But maybe i am wrong

Korat has an Air Force training base. Often jets flying around there.

"On October 25, 1999, a month after the American team rallied to win the 1999 Ryder Cup in Brookline, Massachusetts, and four months after his U.S. Open victory at Pinehurst No. 2, (Payne) Stewart was killed in the depressurization of a Learjet flying from Orlando, Florida, to Dallas, Texas, for the year-ending tournament..."

"At 9:33 AM EDT the pilots did not respond to a call to change radio frequencies, and there was no further contact from the plane. The plane was, apparently, still on autopilot and angled off-course, as observed by several U.S. Air Force (and Air National Guard) F-16 fighter aircraft as it continued its flight over the southern and midwestern United States. The military pilots observed frost or condensation on the windshield (consistent with loss of cabin pressure) which obscured the cockpit, and no motion was visible through the small patch of windshield that was clear."

"National Transportation Safety Board investigators later concluded that the plane suffered a loss of cabin pressure and that all on board died of hypoxia. A delay of only a few seconds in donning oxygen masks, coupled with cognitive and motor skill impairment, could have been enough to result in the pilots' incapacitation."

"According to a USAF timeline, a series of military planes provided an emergency escort to the stricken Lear, beginning with an F-16 from Eglin Air Force Base, about an hour and twenty minutes after ground controllers lost contact. The plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel and crashed into a field near Mina, South Dakota."

Wiki Emphasis mine.

NOTE. This wasn't explosive decompression, just loss of pressurization. The ground controllers lost contact and the plane continued flying until it ran out of fuel.

This Malaysian plane is said to have had 7.5 hours, or about 4,000 miles of fuel on board.

The plane dissapeared from outside radar coverage. If the same thing happened as Payne Stewarts plane they would have flown through radar space somewhere north. These 777's are on auto pilot once airborne. Very different situation in my opinion.

The cabin doors are terrorist proof. You need an axe to get though them once locked.

Even if there were terrorists on board threatening flight crew the Captain still would have squaked 7500 on the transponder alerting the world of a highjack.

It either blew to bits mid air or someone in the cockpit was involved.

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, Azharuddin said. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

This is interesting.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-10/plane-debris-hunters-seek-suspected-aircraft-window-part.html

I find this interesting.

Before takeoff from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysian Airline removed the baggage of five passengers who didn’t board after checking in, Azharuddin said. “There are issues about the passengers that did not fly on the aircraft,” he said without elaborating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-03-10/plane-debris-hunters-seek-suspected-aircraft-window-part.html

When AF plane went down

"One of the first things we had was a series of ACARS messages that showed failure of the aircraft and degradation of the systems," CNN

I think MAS have a lot of explaining to do

Does anyone know what this means?

ACARS is an automated system relaying system data on aircraft performance back to base, for it to stop along with traditional radios and transponders the immediate thought would be an electrical failure.

Wasn't it the 777 that had the battery issues a year or so ago? If the batteries had cooked and burned, this could cause a system wide electrical failure that would explain this. And I don't know if the APU or emergency RAT could work to supply systems under these conditions.

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It was the new Dreamliner Boeing 787 that had and still has battery issues. Very different batteries on the 777

When AF plane went down

"One of the first things we had was a series of ACARS messages that showed failure of the aircraft and degradation of the systems," CNN

I think MAS have a lot of explaining to do

Does anyone know what this means?

Why would Terrorists use European passports? Doesn't make any sense. To get caught using fake ID's?

The plane seems to have disappeared.Please read the history and see the canceled flights.

This specific plane was 11.8 years old and had a clean safety record.

http://www.theepocht...d-by-officials/

But the truth is:

http://pic.feeyo.com...69/5691311.html

And their flight history. Please see the canceled flight a day before.

http://www.flightrad...irplanes/9m-mro

If that flight was cancelled how did it manage to return the next day from somewhere you state it never got to?

The doors are terrorist proof. The Captain has an option of squarking the emergency code on his transponder which would explain what exactly has gone wrong. But none of this appears to have taken place.

“I was really afraid, especially because one of them had a knife close to my throat. Soi 25 is quite a crowded area with lots of bars and tourists, so needles to say, I was surprised and shocked.”

No Bars in 25 as previously stated. But he sounds so positive about being in 25 the whole thing does sound fishy. Especially with the neighbour ending up in a similar fate.

The statistics mentioned are interesting but in my opinion do not accurately display whats really happening out there in the Bar and Restaurant trade. Hotels are taking a huge hit thats for sure but so are the Bars and Restaurants. I think you will find many establishments will not be able to make rent over the next 6 months and be forced to close. The Bars east of Asoke along Soi's 20, 22, 31, 33 etc are DEAD! I have been told by some owners they are lucky to take 1000 baht a night.

Bangkok will bounce back for sure but it might take a very long time. I have been told other Thai tourists spots are bursting at the seams. Bangkok is broken and the cost and time to repair it will well exceed anything already forcasted. This downturn in trade will go on for a very long time.

Not good. Now at all 7/11 and Tesco you hear from employees " The British are coming,".

I would like to know what this means also.

14 killed in Belfast by Rubber Bullets, mainly Children. Some Bullets are over 150mm in diameter. Non Lethal I think not.

150mm in diameter? I happen to know that measurement well unfortunately and doubt that anything of that size in diameter, (do you mean lenght), could be fired from any gun with rubber bullet. Maybe I have missed somehting here.

I'd believe there is not a Bar Girl In Pattaya with the clap before I would believe this nonsense.

A Thai Police Officer being fired actually means stood down for a month.

Nothing translates exactly here but what they meant was stood down I am sure and that will be the excuse given when he is back doing what he does best soon.

A little unlucky though. Even the Blackshirts didn't get fired for murder when they shot the protesters. Guess they figure drugs are worse that someones life.

here we go!...once the income stops flowing they will finally wake up

No they won't ... Thai people never learn from the past

I agree. The fat cats organising the protests will never be affected financially and the sheep will follow.

Thai's only think one day ahead if that, so lack of future income does not compute in their heads.

The income could stop flowing for months and they will still not wake up.

This month is the month of 'make or break'. Please wait for a signal from us.

I'm gonna stock up on popcorn, because it will get get exciting this month .

What a sad post!! "Our" country might be on the brink of a civil war, and to you it is entertaiment!!

Shame on you!!

Our country? You were born here? I am seriously missing something here.

Germany started building a good highway system as early as the late 1930's. The USA didn't start building an interstate system until the early 50's.

Thailand has had plenty of time to observe and realizes the cost for a safer and more efficient system is far to expensive. Dividing corruption costs with infrastructure expense outlays is likely far too much for most countries and especially Thailand.

Thailand will need to wait many more years for a safer and overall better road system.

The problem is not the roads. In fact I consider the roads to generally be excellent.

The problem is the loony tunes behind the wheel or handlebars.

And nothing will ever change in that department.

You considered opinion re road conditions, OK but where ??? the second biggest highway 2 from Nong khai to Korat and on is dangerous, the surface in a big percentage of it is riddled with pot holes. deep enough to bring down a m/cycle or buckle a mag on a car. from Khorat to Kabin Buri 304 is much the same.

Biggest problem is driving you have to look out for the holes, instead of 100% eyes on other hazards.

I drive on this route to Jomptien regular so this is no bashing, anyone who denies this would have to be on something not to witness it.

There are some good sections agreed but in 630 kilometers there has to be some. because of the good parts you get lulled into the fact that it's ok then Boom. the last trip cost me a puncture and a new mag wheel.

I know that road well and have driven it many times but not for about 18 months and it could well be a great deal worse by now.

Most of my driving was between Maha Sarakham and either Khon Kaen or Roiet. Those roads are devided 4 lanes 95% of the way and in fantastic condition or at least used to be.

Maybe the Government is not spending the money maintaining the roads at the moment and saving for bullets, gas masks, riot shields and the like.

However, I am sticking by my statement that the roads are not the cause of the high number of deaths.