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  1. ah......... the famous thai temper and loss of face.

    what ever happened to talking it out or a good ol fist fight. winner is the one still standing

    havent met a thai man yet who would stand and fight. even if they do and get beaten, they go get a gun.

    cowards the lot of them and this incident reinforces that. angry.png

    What an idiotic comment! I rarely hear of fights in my homeland, UK, being settled by Marquess of Queensberry rules - rather it is a man or a gang which dishes out punishment with a gun or a knife, or maybe beats a lone man to death. "Haven't met a Thai man yet who would stand and fight" Good grief man, how many Thai men have you challenged to a fight?

    The Quietman - Champion of the Thai Visa Forum!

    Well said. Its also idiotic to under estimate Thai men. I've seen a few Farangs try to box with Thai bouncers at various night spots and they usually come off worse because they just see a small guy and dont realise how efficiently somebody trained in Muay Thai can drop a guy with a kick to the Achilles tendon. Personally I've never had a Thai man try to fight me but in UK random violence can descend on you for no reason in any large town or city centre. I feel much safer in Thailand

    And that explains them fighting in packs then how?

    Is it a refection of their character or their lack of character?

  2. "A lot of the material that police found in my storage facility had been placed there, most likely by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

    Yeah, sure. giggle.gif

    Laugh your way to the bagel shop, mate, but funnily enough, it was also Mossad who alerted the Thai authorities.

    I wonder how they knew about the fertiliser.

    Sounds like a typical Mossad setup to me, as documented by Ari Ben-Menashe, a disgruntled ex-Mossad operative in Profits of War: The Sensational Story of the World-Wide Arms Conspiracy, and by Gordon Thomas in Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad, not to mention Victor Ostrovsky, another former Mossad case officer, in By Way of Deception, and The Other Side of Deception.

    http://mailstar.net/vanunu.html

    http://mailstar.net/ostrovsky.html

    Ostrovsky, a former Mossad agent, says its motto is "By way of deception, thou shalt do war"

    http://aaargh.codoh....ywayofdecep.pdf

    You are wrong of course.

    By his own words:

    http://www.thaivisa....__fromsearch__1

    He quoted Hussein as saying that the three-storey building was used to stock ingredients for explosives but that his network has never had any intention of attacking Thailand.

    Among the ingredients found in the building, which had been rented by Hussein for about a year, were 396 kilograms of fertilisers and liquid ammonium nitrate.

    "The suspect said the substances were usually shipped out of the country hidden in electric fan boxes," Priewphan said.

    "The suspect asked me to tell Thai people not to worry because there would indefinitely be no terrorism attack in Thailand," he said.

  3. "A lot of the material that police found in my storage facility had been placed there, most likely by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

    Yeah, sure. giggle.gif

    Why Mossad is famous for such things and also have a long list of terrorist activities themself

    It is not a terrorist activity to execute terrorists

    Groups, organizations, religions, ideologies, countries, etc that target every man woman and child that is not a member of their orgainazation or does not believe what they believe are terrorists and history has proved that time and time again

    But if the Mossad put the explosives there than this guy isn't a terrorist.

    Beside: which international law permits to execute someone and claim it was a terrorist (no court needed)?

    Or if say an Arab is shooting an American soldier in Thailand, can he claim he just execute an American terrorist??

    You are wrong of course, and to answer you questions.

    Which international law permits terrorists to execute someone?

    American soldiers are not terrorists, are you saying it is ok for American soldiers to shoot Arabs anyplace they find them?

    By his own words:

    http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/526532-thai-police-find-explosive-chemicals-linked-to-terror-plot/page__fromsearch__1

    He quoted Hussein as saying that the three-storey building was used to stock ingredients for explosives but that his network has never had any intention of attacking Thailand.

    Among the ingredients found in the building, which had been rented by Hussein for about a year, were 396 kilograms of fertilisers and liquid ammonium nitrate.

    "The suspect said the substances were usually shipped out of the country hidden in electric fan boxes," Priewphan said.

    "The suspect asked me to tell Thai people not to worry because there would indefinitely be no terrorism attack in Thailand," he said.

  4. There are plenty of good fighters here,but they dont often get the chance to win honorably.How so? Because every fight i have seen whether Thai against westerner or Thai against Thai,others join in.There is never a freind of a participant who says "its between them,stay out of it".What so often happens is basically a lynching.Sadly a westerner has to walk away if he wishes to avoid every Thai in the vicinity joing their compatriot and badly beating him.There is never any reasoning along the lines of whose in the wrong here.A factual example,your Thai GF has her bag ripped from her shoulder by a motorbike snatch thief,you the westerner run after the guy and around a corner,you pull him of his bike and are on top of him.No locals have a clue what your doing,very soon you ll here bad words coming from all directions and almost certainly a stomp or two will escalate in to a vicious beating.And anyone who says im wrong definetly doesnt know what their talking about.

    Adding to the above, the girl friend doesn't protest or attempt to voice off the attackers and clear it up. She watches, helpless, Thai, because she is afraid to stand up for what is the right thing. But more, she has in her DNA the fact that anything THais do is okay especially if it is ganging up on a foreigner, even when the Thai was at fault and assaulted her own bag. She may make a half hearted effort to retrive her bag in the middle of the fight, but only if it had money, camera, or other valuables. Sad, but Thai culture is Thai culture.

    "No good deed goes unpunished." - Clare Boothe Luce

  5. Thailand, IMO, has always taken the course of least resistance. Their goal is the protection of themselves (nothing necessarily wrong with that, but it can be short sighted). Each year the Thai gov't attends one of the big Islamic Conferences. There goal seems to be to keep any and all international intervention--by any group out of the Southern situation. Recognizing Palestine helps keep the Arab world off their back. Not doing so may have more adverse consequences.

    The same principle seems to apply to the embassy warning. If it goes away, so will all the problems associated with it.

    Great so now according you no more killing in the South The very rich stupid farangs on this site might agree with you. But I think the Moslems in the South think yoiu are a fool

    Time will tell

    this link provides a list of recent southern province terrorist attacks

    http://www.thailandn...=8&s=bomb+shoot

  6. "Yeah, it is a bit nipply out."

    Clark: Oh, I was just smelling - smiling. I was just blouse - browsing. I, uh, heh heh. Well, I guess it just wouldn't... Oh hee hee, it wouldn't be the Christmas shopping season if the stores were any less hooter than they - HOTTER than they are. Whew. It is warm in here, isn't it?

    Mary: You have your coat on.

    Clark: Yes, oh do I? Yeah, it is a bit nipply out. I mean nippy. What am I saying, nipple?

    Christmas Vacation (1989)

  7. "A lot of the material that police found in my storage facility had been placed there, most likely by the Israeli intelligence service Mossad," the newspaper quoted him as saying.

    Yeah, sure. giggle.gif

    Why Mossad is famous for such things and also have a long list of terrorist activities themself

    It is not a terrorist activity to execute terrorists

    Groups, organizations, religions, ideologies, countries, etc that target every man woman and child that is not a member of their orgainazation or does not believe what they believe are terrorists and history has proved that time and time again

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  8. time to get your eyes or brains or both checked GK

    it right on the main link

    http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/

    Emergency Message to U.S. Citizens: Possible Terrorist Threat

    This message alerts U.S. citizens in Thailand that foreign terrorists may be currently looking to conduct attacks against tourist areas in Bangkok in the near future. U.S. citizens are urged to exercise caution when visiting public areas where large groups of Western tourists gather in Bangkok.

    and surely a giant brain like yours knows how to click on it to go directly to more detail

    http://bangkok.usemb...ncymessage.html

    This message alerts U.S. citizens in Thailand that foreign terrorists may be currently looking to conduct attacks against tourist areas in Bangkok in the near future. U.S. citizens are urged to exercise caution when visiting public areas where large groups of Western tourists gather in Bangkok.

    U.S. citizens are encouraged to maintain a heightened awareness when out in public; be alert for unattended packages/bags in public/crowded places and report any suspicious behavior to the nearest law enforcement personnel. We also encourage you to keep a low profile in public areas, particularly areas frequented by foreign tourists.

    and yes, you can get even more information by going to the country specific travel state links

    Thailand Country Specific Information

    http://travel.state....s/cis_1040.html

  9. ah......... the famous thai temper and loss of face.

    what ever happened to talking it out or a good ol fist fight. winner is the one still standing

    havent met a thai man yet who would stand and fight. even if they do and get beaten, they go get a gun.

    cowards the lot of them and this incident reinforces that. angry.png

    it's hardly unique to thailand... in the US they call lost of face disrespect. and if u start a fight ppl don't even think of using their fists...they automatically assume you wanna shoot it out. that's why its best to not even open your mouth or let things escalate unless you're ready for what might follow.

    Are you] trying to equivocate Bloods & Crips and other gang bangers to what is seen in Thailand?

    Are you indicating that these Thais were members of some gang?

  10. We can argue the Palestinian situation until the cows come home, but the point for Thailand is two-fold:

    1. They have a southern insurgency that has it's roots in Islam. Thailand is adamant about keeping this problem internal and not allowing for international intervention of any kind (that would include those supporting terrorism.

    2. Historically, they have been quite adept and preserving their own interests by playing one side against the other.

    By recognizing Palestine, they will suffer very little from the anti-Palestinian group and they have a lot to gain from the Arab world. Those extremists interested in the treatment of their Southern bretheren may be encouraged to stay out of the Thai situation. The same is true for Hezbollah.

    By allowing relatively easy transit of extremists and their business, they may avoid becoming a target. One doesn't usually poop where one eats.

    For Thailand, pretty much win-win.

    It sounds like Thailand is a State Facilitator of Terrorism or at least a Safe Haven for Terrorist.

    I wonder how PM Yingluck will explain that to her new friend Philippine President Aquino that Thailand is allowing terrorists to stage attacks on the Philippines from Thailand, assuming you believe the arrested terrorists about saying Thailand was not the target and so the Philippines might have been.

    Regardless, which ever country was the target, how should they feel about Thailand facilitating terrorist attacks against their countries?

    http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/527416-yingluck-is-perfect-for-president-aquino/page__fromsearch__1

  11. <snip>

    I'm also trying to figure any connection between this present incident and the insurgency in Pattani, Narithiwat, Yala, which has had some spillover into Songkhla to include the bombing of the Hat Yai airport several years ago and numerous bombings of markets in Hat Yai, where the army remains everpresent on the streets and sidewalks. It's clear Bangkok is a haven and transit center of global terrorism. Remember the not so mysterious planeload of arms the Thai government was embarrassed into having to bring down, which was Kazikstani if I recall correctly but flew from North Korea supposed bound for Sri Lanka? Now a new PM Office minister is found on the US Treasury Department list of consorts with Mugabe and associates in Rwanda.

    There's also a lot of transit activity in the southernmost areas of Thailand beyond the four provinces I've mentioned. The coastal areas there are remote and porous. My own routine experience with Customs officers in the Port of Bangkok tells me they are less than honest, if one can believe that wai.gif .

    My first reaction to the recognition of Palestine was that the Thai gov't is keen to not have the problems in the south internationalized. I am sure that the Iranian sphere of influence could put a little pressure on Thailand with regard to a lot of activities in the south.

    Thailand's goal is to keep things sabai, sabai. As long as it's in their interest to let terror-related activities pass through, they will do little. Unfortunately, the US gov't isn't of the same mindset.

    Does that mean that with the Thai recognition of another Palestian state(Jordan being the first) that Thailand will also recognize another apartheid theocracy made out of Thailand's 5 southern provinces? IMO, You cannot give enough land for peace, they want all your land and you dead.

  12. Thats great news. Hopefully Palestine will be freed from it aggressors sooner rather than later.

    Free palestine clap2.gif

    Has anyone considered the fact that Hamas don't want an independent Palestinian state as with it will come responsibilities and the international criminal court to take an interest if they misbehave.

    As for the argument that this gives Thailand some anti-terrorist insurance policy blink.png All I can say apart from how staggeringly naive is that once you start giving in to threats or intimidation by terrorists they will repeat the trick again and again. I suppose when you have red shirts as your power base this sort of thinking becomes automatic though.

    Your first paragraph is typically ignorant of Hamas's stance. Their policy is that they will recognise Israel when Israel recognises a fully independent Palestinian state.

    Although not normally a supporter, I applaud the current government for this - if it is true. I doubt very much that this is due to any intimidation but the coincidence with the Israeli-US terrorist 'threat' may well have pushed the Thais to show two fingers to 'big brother'.

    Wrong, they want israel gone and another apartheid theocracy put in its place. Jordan was formed out of what was referred to as the Palestian territories, so Jordan is the Palestian state, why does there need to be another one.

    Hamas's 1988 charter calls for the replacement of Israel and the Palestinian Territories with an Islamic Palestinian state. After the elections in 2006, Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Al-Zahar did not rule out the possibility of accepting a "temporary two-state solution", and stated that he dreamed "of hanging a huge map of the world on the wall at my Gaza home which does not show Israel on it."

    The Hamas Charter (or Covenant), issued in 1988, outlined the organization's position on many issues at the time, identifies Hamas as the Muslim Brotherhood in Palestine and declares its members to be Muslims who "fear God and raise the banner of Jihad in the face of the oppressors." The charter states "our struggle against the Jews is very great and very serious" and calls for the eventual creation of an Islamic state in Palestine, in place of Israel and the Palestinian Territories, and the obliteration or dissolution of Israel. The Charter also asserts that through shrewd manipulation of imperial countries and secret societies, Zionists were behind a wide range of events and disasters going as far back in history as the French Revolution. Among the charter's controversial statements is the following: "The time will not come until Muslims will fight the Jews [and kill them]; until the Jews hide behind rocks and trees, which will cry: Oh Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, come on and kill him!” The document also quotes Islamic religious texts to provide justification for fighting against and killing the Jews of Israel, presenting the Arab-Israeli conflict as an inherently irreconcilable struggle between Jews and Muslims, and Judaism and Islam, adding that the only way to engage in this struggle between "truth and falsehood" is through Islam and by means of jihad, until victory or martyrdom. The Charter adds that "renouncing any part of Palestine means renouncing part of the religion" of Islam The charter states that Hamas is humanistic, and tolerant of other religions as long as they do not block Hamas's efforts.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

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  13. Aid and abet a terrorist group in doing terrorism

    I suggest that Thailand needs to grow a pair

    to function properly on the modern world stage.

    I think if you look you will find some large countries aid & abet terrorist groups when it suits their needs.

    But during those times they called them freedom fighters.

    Later when they did not do their masters bidding they were deemed terrorist

    As for growing a pair............I think Thailand does fine & proved it today when they recognized Palestine

    along with 128 other countries

    But what I wonder most these days when the Thai news section seems pretty much 100% slagging

    Thailand's government is if any of the slaggers live in Thailand?

    If so why then?

    It is not like living in ones own country where complaining might bring change in elections you can vote in.

    Just curious

    You consider exploding a huge bomb at tourist sites to be an act of a freedom fighter?

    So you are ok with people that don't agree with what you believe, to target you, your family, your home, your friends, your neighbors, your work site, your tourist destinations, your restaurant, your night club, your mall, etc etc etc

    including exterminating everybody that does not believe what your believe.

    *edited out*

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