fry30

You are soooo pretentious, I appreciate the answers from Ubonjoe, very professional.

Fishtank you stated that there is no report at immigration at the very beginning, there is, the 60 days extension, you told me I couldn't do this.

Anyway I really have other things to do than to argue with you. Speaking about troll you are pretty good for it.

I don't want to offend those who really want to help but the circle of pretentious jerk that spoil every topic are really annoying.

Indeed that's enough, I'm out

12 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Give up Lop. I think he is just winding us up.

I thought you gave up already, by the way you were wrong but didn't make you humble.

Anyway if I don't understand you (since you were wrong) I do understand Lop.

So thanks for your time to you all I understand now

5 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

The multi entry or single entry non immigrant O visa is issued by most Consulates for various reasons and provides a 90 day stay (multi a new 90 day stay on any entry during the year it is valid.

 

The multi entry non immigrant O-A visa is issued for retirement type stay in country of residence.  It provides a one year stay on entry and on any new entry during the year it is valid.

 

O-A visa would be listed as such.

oh I thought O or A it's O-A, mine is non O immigrant the other non O-A immigrant

So I'm not getting one year but multiple 90 days.

Then when I showed the 400 000 it was an extension of stay? then I just have to report my address every 90 days

and rwill is saying there is no 7 days period for the 60 days extension of stay, not the extension of stay for a one year visa

In 2015 I got a non O immigrant visa then the next 2 years I showed 400 000, that's where I got an extension of stay, during this period I reported my address and I could be 7 days late, then 2018 I got a new non O visa. For the first year I have to leave the country every 90 days then if I get an extension of stay next year I will have to only report my address.

Is there anything correct in this?

4 minutes ago, lopburi3 said:

He is saying you have the 7 days if doing a 90 day report (which is either an extension of stay or a one year permitted stay visa such as O-A).  Using a multi entry non immigrant O visa as you appear to currently have requires you depart every 90 days or less, or extend your stay (to visit wife for 60 days you use).  You do not have to make any TM47 90 day reports doing that process as first extension of stay (that 60 days) counts as a 90 day report and then you make a new entry starting the process again.  But this time you were a week late so had overstay.

thank you very much for your patience, I understand that in my case I can't have 7 days grace period but I'm still confused with the terms and rules.

I will abuse your patience a little bit more then I will try to learn all the basics.

"(which is either an extension of stay or a one year permitted stay visa such as O-A)" " Using a multi entry non immigrant O visa as you appear to currently have"

what is the difference between a one year permitted stay visa O or A and a non immigrant O visa? and can I see this difference on my passport?

9 hours ago, fry30 said:

so why did I get this grace period before when I was on non O marriage with 400 000?

 

Because it was not a Non O Visa.

It was an extension of stay.

WRONG!!!  7 day grace period is ONLY for 90 reporting, like if you have a visa or extension of stay for a years period, but you have to report your address every 90 days.

There is no grace period for extension of stay.

So one person is saying that you get the grace period on extension of stay and another says there is no grace period for an extension of stay.

2 hours ago, rwill said:

WRONG!!!  7 day grace period is ONLY for 90 reporting, like if you have a visa or extension of stay for a years period, but you have to report your address every 90 days.

There is no grace period for extension of stay.

You said ''if you have a visa or extension of stay for a year period'' so there is visa which required to report your address and visa which required to leave the country?

''There is no grace period for extension of stay.'' but I don't think mine is an extension of stay, I got a visa non O 8 months ago.

2 hours ago, rwill said:

WRONG!!!  7 day grace period is ONLY for 90 reporting, like if you have a visa or extension of stay for a years period, but you have to report your address every 90 days.

There is no grace period for extension of stay.

So I'm actually not doing a 90 report (to report my address) but simply leaving the country every 90 days or getting extension of 60 days.

Anyway it went very well today, the immigration officers are very nice, in Ratchaburi as well.

16 minutes ago, Caldera said:

Best of luck, you should be fine doing your border hop.

leaving now, thanks for your wishes, I think that's my first overstay in years.

20 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

The 7 days is only for the report of staying longer than 90 days in the country. You are not and cannot do that report since your visa does not allow you to stay longer than 90 days.

You must leave the country on the date your permit to stay ends that is shown as admitted until on the entry stamp you got when you arrived or the 60 day extensions stamp.

Thanks ubonjoe, it's all clear now

2 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

Be well dressed and well mannered to all immigration officers. Do not forget to take 20,000 baht with you.

 

What border will you cross?

Htee Khee

Should I show 20 000 because of the overstay?

What kind of problem could I get at the immigration border apart from the fine?

31 minutes ago, Isaanbiker said:

OP, the two weeks before and seven days after reporting is only when you go to the Immigration in person. But you're on a different type of visa/extension of stay where you have to leave the country every 90 days! Every day is one day of overstay, leave the country immediately. 

 

Others who have a different type of visa/extension of stay who report to Immigration every 90 days will have to pay a fine of 2,000 to 3,000 baht when they are late. The "grace period" is only when you're doing that report in person, online doesn't count. 

 

But you're not allowed to do the 90 days form TM 47 for Aliens, you must leave the country every 90 days. I hope that this answers your question. Please don't get upset at Immigration, just pay your overstay fine. 

Thanks for the advise, I learnt to avoid to argue at the immigration, could lead to some serious problems. So far I don't remember getting any problem, I will pay for my mistake no problem.

so if I understand well, this 7 days grace period work only for extension of stay, not for the first year visa.

Just now, fishtank said:

I give up.

Gonna leave it for someone else to try and get through.

 

you realize that you were stating that you can't report at the immigration in thailand, which is wrong, doesn't make you humble.

However I understand now that the 7 days grace period is allowed only for extension of stay not for a visa.

1 minute ago, fishtank said:

And pay 3,500 Baht fine.

And maybe risk arrest for overstay.

have to pay also at the immigration in Ratchaburi, just wanted to see if at the border it could be different and check the law before. Not a huge deal if I have to pay anyway, next time I won't push the time.

9 minutes ago, Goethe said:

You are confusing two different issues:

1. The 90-day report with a 7-day grace period is for people who have a permission to stay in the country longer than 90 days.

2. You have a visa that requires you to leave the country every 90 days. There is no grace period.

so why did I get this grace period before when I was on non O marriage with 400 000?

8 minutes ago, fishtank said:

Yes. Any Visa.

The Immigration Bureau is correct but you cannot do 90 day reports.

You have to leave the country.

You have permision to stay in Thailand for 90 days.

Not more.

I think you miss the part where I explain that I can and I did, I reported there and had to report again 60 days later, then have to leave the country, so this time I can do it here too I just prefer to try the border.

1 minute ago, Isaanbiker said:

OP, the two weeks before and seven days after reporting is only when you go to the Immigration in person. It's not the case when you're doing it online and a fine of 2,000 up to 3,000 baht must be paid.

 

But you're not allowed to do the 90 days form TM 47 for Aliens, you must leave the country every 90 days. I hope that this answers your question. 

I'm not doing it online, I'm going to the border today but yesterday at the immigration in Ratchaburi I could make my report but I prefer to try at the border and see if I can avoid the fine. So there is 7 days allowed, they were saying that it works only for some type of visa.

1 minute ago, fishtank said:

Wrong.

You have to pay 500 Baht fine for every day you overstay.

There is no grace period.

so even the immigration bureau is wrong? " The notification must be made within 15 days before or after 7 days the period of 90 days expires"

or maybe it's because I call it grace period.

So I reformulate my question, is there specific visa for which the 7 days are not allowed?

8 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

You can only do a 90 day report of staying longer than 90 consecutive days if you have a permit to stay that allows you to stay longer than 90 days. You now only have a non-o visa that only allows a 90 day permit to stay in the country unless you extend it. 

If you apply for a 60 day extension to visit your wife that is considered as doing a 90 day report since it is your first extension of that 90 day entry. After that 60 day extension you must leave the country to get a new 90 day entry.

I suggest you read a real Thai government website for info instead of that commercial website set up by law firm. See here for official info about 90 day reporting. https://www.immigration.go.th/content/sv_90day

Thank you for your answer, that's what I understood and tried to explain.

There is absolutely no problem regarding the 60 days 90 days, I'm asking about the 7 days grace period.

Thanks for the link, I thought the other one was official.

So they say this " The notification must be made within 15 days before or after 7 days the period of 90 days expires"

So should I pay a fine if I'm within the 7 days after?

7 minutes ago, fishtank said:

There is no 7 day grace period.

You tried to apply for a 60 days extension but you were allready on 6 days overstay.

500 Baht a day fine.

When I got my visa with 400 000 baht proof I always got this 7 days period for reporting, then there is this link that says otherwise https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/90-day-reporting-immigration.php

4 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

obtaining a 60 day extension is not reporting.

maybe the wrong term, after getting my visa I reported 90 days later at immigration then need to report 60 days later at the border then need to report 90 days now.

I you report at the immigration in thailand then you need to report again 60 days later, a 60 days report.

Still would be very kind if someone could answer to the actual question

Thank you for your answers but my question is about the 7 days grace period.

You can report at the immigration to get 60 days extension, I did it for my first notification then I did the 90 days report at the border. I was inform of this possibility here on thai visa and indeed it works. 90 days at border 60 days at immigration 90 days border 60 days at immigration etc...

Now regarding this 7 days grace period, does it work only for some type of visa and if yes should I pay 2000 or 3500 (500 a day)? like mentioned in this link:

https://www.thaiembassy.com/thailand/90-day-reporting-immigration.php