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This sounds like the start of a long con... She's planted the initial seed of envy

Give it 6 months and the op will be transferring all his life savings over to her to invest in the stock market.

Strange timing to say the least... And why only Thaksin?

"reported that about one-third of land in Thailand amounting to 100 million rai (16 million hectares) was in the hands of foreigners. This posed a risk to Thailand's social security."

Is this for real or some sort of selective reporting? Presumably this is land owned by corporations etc under BOI schemes - but really a third???

First I've heard about it . . . so I can go buy land now? lol

What they really mean probably is that the land was paid for by foreigners, but still owned by Thai's.

You mean leased?

Whatever you want to call it, for most foreigners here, you "can't" buy or own land unless it's through some backdoor fashion or paid off someone to make the paperwork . . . I think they are way exaggerating things to make the uneducated Thai's fear the pesky foreigners coming in and taking over. The same old nationalistic bullshit we hear all the time.

The locals in Krabi are always complaining that Indians own almost all of the land down there and have done for years apparently buying it for a pittance and now charging huge amounts for rents/ leases etc..

I don't know how much truth is really in it but i've heard it repeated numerous times.

Just wait for them to racially profile white men traveling from and to Thailand and giving them extra checks for child porn making them feel like criminals and wait for ages ect. Bet the tune here would be totally different. Its all fun and games when the rights of others are infringed upon but once you are the one all hell breaks loose.

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--

Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me--and there was no one left to speak for me.

Martin Niemoller

I think it logical anyone arriving at a airport in Asia sporting a Gary Glitter ponytail should be shaken down and his hard drive thoroughly searched.

Only a fool or someone with serious inside information would bet against the market trend.

Sounds like the relationship is already a stressful one.

Few other things to consider if your going to take this girl on long term or as a wife.

No matter how beautiful and smart she is, the majority of folks back home,friends and family in particular will secretly always view her as some gold digger Thai prostitute who's just after the easy life and a US passport or a mail order bride type.

You'll have zero respect from your friends and work colleges. plus if they ever found out you'd paid a sin-sot you'd really be the biggest loser in town in their eyes. (loss of face farang style)

Harsh i know but its the reality of the country been known as "The biggest brothel in the world". Other countries have this reputation too but with Thailand unfortunately its ten times worse.

I always hated waiting at the boarding gates in airports and feeling your being scrutinised by the other passengers even though there wasn't that much off a age gap or looks gap. Even worse is when its full of old farangs with young good looking Thai girls on their arms, just amplifies the cringe factor.

Some people don't care what others think and if you're one of them congratulations, but to me its just another annoying niggle to add to all the other ones discussed in the previous thread that puts me off anything serious.

Total and utter tripe.

To be honest I think you had better start choosing some different friends who have a higher regard for you and whoever you choose as a wife, and it appears you have some kind of persecution complex.

I met my Thai wife in the States and both sides of my family in the States and the UK, plus all my friends accepted her immediately as a part of the family.

She was often invited to be a bridesmaid at family and friends weddings, many of my cousins took her out with them on shopping trips, she is a God mother to one of my nieces and was highly respected within the company where I worked. I have several cousins married to Thai girls and all the wives are held in high esteem by the families and friends.

As for those people you may know who regard Thailand as the world`s biggest brothel, than it seems you are mixing within the wrong circles and suggest that you disassociate yourself from them.

Obviously the guys who become involved with the females of the under classes of Thai society, those who would not look out of place working in a Pattaya beerbar, are going to attract some comments and disapproving stares, but I can assure you that any nice, decent class of young Thai lady will be treated with high esteem and respect within Western society.

Reality is objective and i can see from the pic that we have a very different interpretation of the world.

Persecution complex you say... Probably the exact opposite.

By the way any pics of you at the wedding in a brightly coloured traditional Thai silk suit? I need another lol

I wonder how many of these gold bugs have a big box of old comics and baseball/ football cards stashed away that they bought in the eighties at inflated prices with the belief it would make them rich in 30 years.

Sounds like the relationship is already a stressful one.

Few other things to consider if your going to take this girl on long term or as a wife.

No matter how beautiful and smart she is, the majority of folks back home,friends and family in particular will secretly always view her as some gold digger Thai prostitute who's just after the easy life and a US passport or a mail order bride type.

You'll have zero respect from your friends and work colleges. plus if they ever found out you'd paid a sin-sot you'd really be the biggest loser in town in their eyes. (loss of face farang style)

Harsh i know but its the reality of the country been known as "The biggest brothel in the world". Other countries have this reputation too but with Thailand unfortunately its ten times worse.

I always hated waiting at the boarding gates in airports and feeling your being scrutinised by the other passengers even though there wasn't that much off a age gap or looks gap. Even worse is when its full of old farangs with young good looking Thai girls on their arms, just amplifies the cringe factor.

Some people don't care what others think and if you're one of them congratulations, but to me its just another annoying niggle to add to all the other ones discussed in the previous thread that puts me off anything serious.

Sorry, I haven't gotten to the end of this topic yet, working on it ...but I just want to comment on this one.

It seems that I have heard this story, or versions of it, so many, many, many times here ...the "somebody else wants to marry me" ...oh, and don't forget in these cases ...the other person, is always "wealthy, or more wealthy" than you.

Since many of us seem to agree that Thai people often lie, about any and all things, do you guys never see that these comments are most likely lies?? Part of closing the deal, making you jealous, making the person/woman seem more valuable (because someone else, who is rich! wants to marry them), making you possibly also think "oh, she doesn't just want money because someone richer than me offered to marry her and she stuck with me." Not that I am saying that all these ladies only want you for money.

I mean, the very quantity of these claims, always included with the fact that the woman is currently "seriously" involved with you ...I don't know, have any of you guys proposed marriage to ladies who were living with other men at the time, is that very common? I think it is not. I know everyone isn't living together, but still?

I have to say, that I wish I could have read about Thai ladies and their ways when I was much younger! I might have learned some valuable lessons. Or I still might, if I decide to become a car salesperson or something. I really would have thought, that admitting (lie or not) that I was involved enough with another man, that he proposed to me, would have sent my Western male partners over the edge, and that I would be dumped as a cheating, whore. But it seems it doesn't work that way at all!! I never would have guessed this!!

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I'm not sure I understand what you're saying or asking here.

Putting aside Thai vs western cultural stuff for now, I think the issue is common for both.

It is rarely the case IMO that a man is out there actively pursuing the courtship racket looking for a wife. He's usually out having fun living his life and a big part of that is pursuing attractive females for sex and companionship, but getting married is something far from the forefront of most single guys minds.

However it is in my experience pretty common, both where I come from and here, for women to reach a certain stage where they feel it's time to settle down and get married and make a family. The clock is certainly ticking here sooner and with more urgency, but usually by the time a woman back home gets into her thirties, certainly long before forty, she's out there in the marriage market.

And most women will arrange things so they have multiple guys "pursuing them" at the same time, because these things take time and if you were do do this serially, you'd be wasting a lot of precious time, so you engage with the market in parallel. If a given potential partner is very very attractive but hasn't yet popped the question, you may well dither and dally with other keener but less attractive partners, putting them off in the hope that you can close the deal with your first choice.

Although this pattern is very common and totally accepted in my home culture, I find that Thai ladies have this game down to a real science, play it like their life's at stake, which I suppose it is. And while back home a guy may be perhaps a bit more likely to know about his competitors, or at least know that he has competition (part of the game), here I think girls try more to let the guy think he's the one and only prospect.

Some westerners consider this dishonest and immoral, but I completely accept it as the way things are, and think completely fair enough from the girls' POV.

Where the two cultures really differ is that ours considers it to be completely OK if the woman is sexually active with more than one suitor at a time, while here that's a real no-no, in theory any premarital sex is frowned upon, in reality most Thais will be OK as long as it's only one and there is a serious intention is to get married (talking here about publicly acknowledged mainstream, not what's actually done in secret).

Amykat, is any of the above in conflict with your view of things? Does it clarify the situation or just make it even more complicated?

Yes, what you have said conflicts with my experience. I think what you have described sounds like a book about sexual relationships between monkeys, humans, the old "competition for sperm or eggs" stories ...maybe I am just not a typical woman?

I don't think it is at all acceptable to be looking for numerous marriage partners at the same time. I mean, unless you are really not with any people. I think "serial monogamy" is the accepted way these days. You try relationships out, you learn things from them, you move on, or you marry them, and probably divorce later in many cases. Then you date again, you might marry again, etc. Not, you date 5 people at the same time, find out who will offer marriage, and go for that one.

What don't you understand about what I said? I have had serious, long term relationships with Western men. If I were to suddenly tell them, some other guy, wants to marry me, they would surely think I had been cheating on them. I doubt I could get a man seriously interested in marriage, without ever sleeping with them, and without having a serious relationship with them. So if I have had two, or more of these going at the same time, what Western man, would consider me marriage material?? That is what I think!! I think I may have found out, that this is wrong (my thinking) because some men, men in Thailand, seem to feel more inclined to take you seriously in this case, more inclined to give you money (especially if you say some other guy is giving you more money, or bigger jewelry?), more inclined to suddenly want to marry you too!

Sort of like car salespeople, or others salespeople, who tell you, this car/house/ whatever, already has 6 offers on it, but they are just telling lies, to get you motivated.

i wanted to write something similar to this but i think you articulated it much better than i ever could. The overwhelming impression i take away from it is just how honest open and straight most westerners are in the relationships.

Almost everyone i know back home are in long lasting strong relationship or marriages and if they do end, they usually find another one.

The whole idea of playing off more than one partner is almost unheard of especially where i come from (UK)

Most people even, if they dont know for certain that its happening to them, if being honest with themselves will have a sense or inkling that all is not well, so how can you ever find the trust to build a meaningful relationship with that kind of person.

Its not a norm that i could ever accept.

I've recently just come out of a 3 year relationship with a thai girl, 28yrs old office worker lower middle class and a real stunner. I don't think i'd ever entertain doing it again.

I never married or got engaged to her, i wanted to, but there were just too many red flags popping along the way for me to take the plunge.

I'm 36 by the way and never had a problem attracting hot women in the west so i wasn't really operating out of my league and with lots of disposable income to burn.

She could have had it all from me visa, marriage into a fairly affluent western family, everything she said that she wanted in life, but she couldn't hold it together for more than 6 months. Unsurprisingly it was all my fault.

After stepping back from the situation and accessing the last 3 years its been one compromise after the other with her. trying to pass off lies and lack of respect as culture is just making excuses for them.

I dont just mean her, i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

Personally i would chose a average looking western women over a hot Thai any day.

I think you deserve many, many "LIKES" for this post. I am worried I am going to run out, as I have agreed with many here, tonight. But we can't give more than one anyway, dam_n it!

So, here is my +5 LIKES!

you know, I do believe, in general, you are right. I have come to realise it's me. I come from a different era. I am a dinosaur. My Thai friends are all pretty amazed that I stay single and live alone. I do so, consciously, as a matter of choice. For the very reasons others have posted. Simply, I don't need the hassle. My middle aged thai friends with mia nois all have problems with them. Drama, Drama, Drama.

Thai girls, 30-40 years, ago weren't like they are today. That's a fact. Like chalk and cheese, Once upon a time they would not have said 'shit' for sixpence. They had manners, politeness and respect, even raising ones voice was a no-no. I reckon the Thai Soaps they watch and the Comics they grow up reading has a lot to do with it.

I stopped visitng Pattaya about 7 years ago, for a number of reasons, but one of them was that the girls (and mostly everything else) had become too hard core, take no prisoners.

Thailand is now a country where even a Monk deals Ya ba from inside the Wat! Progress?

Today. Many Thai girls WILL stand over a man. But, only If he lets her. The thing is, if you are weak, and you do let them stand over you, then they also lose all respect for you for letting them do so!

probably best not to go into the subject of increasing Domestic Violence in the Kingdom here

I wish someone had given me that advice 3 years ago...

I completely agree that the statement "most Thais that farang encounter here aren't as sincere, honest and kind to strangers as people back home" is perfectly true.

I am also saying that the statement "most Thais are just as sincere, honest and kind to strangers as people back home" is true as well.

And I am suggesting, to those who are committed to staying in Thailand, that there are solutions to this gap, if you have the resources to pursue them.

No difference in our realities then is there? Just a question of whether or not it's worth your while to invest the time energy money etc to solve the problem. Many farang think it's not worth the trouble to learn the language, move to areas where few other farang live, get to know people with whom they feel they don't have anything in common etc. and that's a perfectly acceptable POV.

The price for that is you will continue to experience a sub-optimal reality in Thailand as a result

Or you may choose to go someplace completely different, lots of choices, we make our bed and then we sleeps in it.

I really love that quote- "experience a sub- optimal reality" i think that about sums up what most farangs experience in the main tourist hubs.

Also not sure if it was you who mentioned earlier that most farangs return home after 3 years after the illusion turns to delusion, or something similar.

Thats pretty much how i feel after 3 years, I'm not completely out of love with Thailand, though doubt i'll ever be able to view it through the same green eyes again.

I've recently just come out of a 3 year relationship with a thai girl, 28yrs old office worker lower middle class and a real stunner. I don't think i'd ever entertain doing it again.

I never married or got engaged to her, i wanted to, but there were just too many red flags popping along the way for me to take the plunge.

I'm 36 by the way and never had a problem attracting hot women in the west so i wasn't really operating out of my league and with lots of disposable income to burn.

She could have had it all from me visa, marriage into a fairly affluent western family, everything she said that she wanted in life, but she couldn't hold it together for more than 6 months. Unsurprisingly it was all my fault.

After stepping back from the situation and accessing the last 3 years its been one compromise after the other with her. trying to pass off lies and lack of respect as culture is just making excuses for them.

I dont just mean her, i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

Personally i would chose a average looking western women over a hot Thai any day.

Very well put. Like I said in my earlier post I got dumped for a guy who bought my gf a new Fino one week after he met. So much for true love. At least I know exactly what I am worth to a typical Thai chic-58000 baht unless you add extras. But she came back after he dumped her. I felt sorry for the girl who all the while kept in contact with the guy who 3 years later married her. Of course he also gave her family 250k baht and she got 200k baht plus some additonal envelopes of good will thrown around.

My latest gf lasted 6 months. Her Thai bf beat the crap out of her so she called me. I knew her only as an acquaintance at a coffee shop for maybe 3 months or so. I gave her my phone number if she ever got interested. So I get the call out of the blue and I help her out by letting her stay with me for two days with the intention of sending her home on a bus. I told her I was taking a long bike trip around the Thai coast and she could either come with me to Satun and then I would send her home on a bus or plane ticket as I was meeting my brother in Viet Nam or I would take her home on the bike to Sisaket. She opted to go with me. The day before we were to leave she goes ballistic on me and says I am going to dump her when we get to Satun.

I had fully explained the deal upfront and she had choices and made the decision to go with me along the coast and go home from there. Now, she is pissed at me for some reason and only after being with her for a week or so. So now I tell her that I think it is not a good idea for her to go with me so she packs her one bag and stomps out of my apartment. Five mintues later she calls me crying she has nowhere to go. haha. But I decide to give it up and take her to a hotel and gave her 2k and wished her well.

I go on my trip but I miss her so two months later I call her and we get together again. One week after being back she wants to move in with me. I said ok but to keep her apartment which I am paying for. Well, she wound up staying for two months as was as sweet as could be to me.

Six months later she says she may need breast surgery so we go the hospital at my suggestion to get checked out. We wait an hour and a half. (Thais make appointments for everyone for the same time. Stupidity is the norm here. Then it is first come first served). So 5 minutes later she comes out and says let's go home. I say <deleted> is going on. Why no xray? She gets pissed at me for asking. She says they said to come back in a week for an xray which makes no sense whatsoever. So we go home and the discussion continues as I am in a total quandry <deleted> is going on. I just want some answers. BTW, she walked to the counter to pay and I stayed in the foyer. So she yells at me to come pay the bill. I would have paid it or paid her back when we got home. So now she is getting upset that I am upset about what is going on.

And let me backtrack a little bit here as well. This girl was a sex machine. She loved it. Sounds great but at my age I was beginning to make excuses not to be home. But another thing is she worked at a restaurant and got home at midnite. Most of the time I was asleep. She would get pissed if I didn't wake up and pay attention to her. I would have to tell her that no worries since you live here now go to sleep and I'll do you in the morning.

Time after time when I wanted to go play golf or something she wound up on my lap trying to get me not to go.

Ok, so now I finally decide that enough is enough and I suggest that we need to straighten al this out once and for all. But now she goes ballistic on me again and again packs up her stuff and says she is going to leave me and go live with a friend in Pattaya. I am at my desk in another room and I am waiting for her to leave. Finally, I went in to the bedroom and said to her, "I thought you were leaving"? Her reply, "I decided I am not leaving". LOL I said to her she had to leave and she said no way was she leaving. I said, you said you wanted to leave and you packed to leave and you have to leave. Her response was if you make me leave I will kill myself. This got my attention. I had just bought new silk sheets and I think blood is difficult to remove from silk.

I asked her is she could please do it in the bathtub. But later I found out she HAD slit her wrists over her last bf so I freaked out. Well, I told her she could stay. The next morning we went to breakfast and I left her there along with some money. I said it was over. Threats like that do not make for a good relationship.

Two days later she sent me text after text. One was that she was gonna move in with her old bf (an Englishman) who was gonna send her to school. Later she texted me she didn't mean it that she didn't love him so she wouldn't be moving in with him but she was going to become a bar girl if I didn't let her come back.

This girl I think is like so many others here in Thailand. Once they get a taste of the money or being taken care of financially they get spoiled and expectant. They are jealous to a fault. And when they do not get their way they threaten you with what they think will hurt or bother you.

I imagine it is possible that at one time in it's history the Thai girls were genuinly sweet, virginal, majestic angels and that perhaps the Westerners flucked them over so bad that they were forced to become the pitiful, disgusting vamps that they now are but at the end of the day with all the women in the world I have been fortunate enough to dip my wick in without paying it was those sweet angels who let me do it so not sure we are to blame. Aside from what we nihilistic hunks think, women make all the sexual decisions so I say let them go when they become a pest but watch your back.

You might be better looking outside Thailand and south east asia for that matter..

Relationships aren't all about looks and if they are you'll probably end up getting stung.

Personally i dont think most thai girls are as sexy looking with there clothes off as they are with them on.

Seen one seen them all, could never say that about western women.

You may not have read my first post. I would say 95% or more of all the Thai women are quite less than even what I would accept as average in looks. And I never said relationships were about looks. Quite the contrary which is all the more reason since it is almost impossible to have an infanitle conversation with these girls what is left?? And that isn't all their fault either just the reality.

I've said it before, Thailand is an illusion which after a while even according to TV I think I read 90% of all farongs go home after 3 years because the "illusion" becomes the delusion. Of course that still leaves a whole lot of scum farongs here which for some reason Thailand caters to like a bee to a flower.

Sorry about that, i do agree with everything you say. I think i was giving that advice to myself....

I've recently just come out of a 3 year relationship with a thai girl, 28yrs old office worker lower middle class and a real stunner. I don't think i'd ever entertain doing it again.

I never married or got engaged to her, i wanted to, but there were just too many red flags popping along the way for me to take the plunge.

I'm 36 by the way and never had a problem attracting hot women in the west so i wasn't really operating out of my league and with lots of disposable income to burn.

She could have had it all from me visa, marriage into a fairly affluent western family, everything she said that she wanted in life, but she couldn't hold it together for more than 6 months. Unsurprisingly it was all my fault.

After stepping back from the situation and accessing the last 3 years its been one compromise after the other with her. trying to pass off lies and lack of respect as culture is just making excuses for them.

I dont just mean her, i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

Personally i would chose a average looking western women over a hot Thai any day.

Very well put. Like I said in my earlier post I got dumped for a guy who bought my gf a new Fino one week after he met. So much for true love. At least I know exactly what I am worth to a typical Thai chic-58000 baht unless you add extras. But she came back after he dumped her. I felt sorry for the girl who all the while kept in contact with the guy who 3 years later married her. Of course he also gave her family 250k baht and she got 200k baht plus some additonal envelopes of good will thrown around.

My latest gf lasted 6 months. Her Thai bf beat the crap out of her so she called me. I knew her only as an acquaintance at a coffee shop for maybe 3 months or so. I gave her my phone number if she ever got interested. So I get the call out of the blue and I help her out by letting her stay with me for two days with the intention of sending her home on a bus. I told her I was taking a long bike trip around the Thai coast and she could either come with me to Satun and then I would send her home on a bus or plane ticket as I was meeting my brother in Viet Nam or I would take her home on the bike to Sisaket. She opted to go with me. The day before we were to leave she goes ballistic on me and says I am going to dump her when we get to Satun.

I had fully explained the deal upfront and she had choices and made the decision to go with me along the coast and go home from there. Now, she is pissed at me for some reason and only after being with her for a week or so. So now I tell her that I think it is not a good idea for her to go with me so she packs her one bag and stomps out of my apartment. Five mintues later she calls me crying she has nowhere to go. haha. But I decide to give it up and take her to a hotel and gave her 2k and wished her well.

I go on my trip but I miss her so two months later I call her and we get together again. One week after being back she wants to move in with me. I said ok but to keep her apartment which I am paying for. Well, she wound up staying for two months as was as sweet as could be to me.

Six months later she says she may need breast surgery so we go the hospital at my suggestion to get checked out. We wait an hour and a half. (Thais make appointments for everyone for the same time. Stupidity is the norm here. Then it is first come first served). So 5 minutes later she comes out and says let's go home. I say <deleted> is going on. Why no xray? She gets pissed at me for asking. She says they said to come back in a week for an xray which makes no sense whatsoever. So we go home and the discussion continues as I am in a total quandry <deleted> is going on. I just want some answers. BTW, she walked to the counter to pay and I stayed in the foyer. So she yells at me to come pay the bill. I would have paid it or paid her back when we got home. So now she is getting upset that I am upset about what is going on.

And let me backtrack a little bit here as well. This girl was a sex machine. She loved it. Sounds great but at my age I was beginning to make excuses not to be home. But another thing is she worked at a restaurant and got home at midnite. Most of the time I was asleep. She would get pissed if I didn't wake up and pay attention to her. I would have to tell her that no worries since you live here now go to sleep and I'll do you in the morning.

Time after time when I wanted to go play golf or something she wound up on my lap trying to get me not to go.

Ok, so now I finally decide that enough is enough and I suggest that we need to straighten al this out once and for all. But now she goes ballistic on me again and again packs up her stuff and says she is going to leave me and go live with a friend in Pattaya. I am at my desk in another room and I am waiting for her to leave. Finally, I went in to the bedroom and said to her, "I thought you were leaving"? Her reply, "I decided I am not leaving". LOL I said to her she had to leave and she said no way was she leaving. I said, you said you wanted to leave and you packed to leave and you have to leave. Her response was if you make me leave I will kill myself. This got my attention. I had just bought new silk sheets and I think blood is difficult to remove from silk.

I asked her is she could please do it in the bathtub. But later I found out she HAD slit her wrists over her last bf so I freaked out. Well, I told her she could stay. The next morning we went to breakfast and I left her there along with some money. I said it was over. Threats like that do not make for a good relationship.

Two days later she sent me text after text. One was that she was gonna move in with her old bf (an Englishman) who was gonna send her to school. Later she texted me she didn't mean it that she didn't love him so she wouldn't be moving in with him but she was going to become a bar girl if I didn't let her come back.

This girl I think is like so many others here in Thailand. Once they get a taste of the money or being taken care of financially they get spoiled and expectant. They are jealous to a fault. And when they do not get their way they threaten you with what they think will hurt or bother you.

I imagine it is possible that at one time in it's history the Thai girls were genuinly sweet, virginal, majestic angels and that perhaps the Westerners flucked them over so bad that they were forced to become the pitiful, disgusting vamps that they now are but at the end of the day with all the women in the world I have been fortunate enough to dip my wick in without paying it was those sweet angels who let me do it so not sure we are to blame. Aside from what we nihilistic hunks think, women make all the sexual decisions so I say let them go when they become a pest but watch your back.

You might be better looking outside Thailand and south east asia for that matter..

Relationships aren't all about looks and if they are you'll probably end up getting stung.

Personally i dont think most thai girls are as sexy looking with there clothes off as they are with them on.

Seen one seen them all, could never say that about western women.

maybe you should follow the conversation before you jump in with both feet

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Post something interesting and I promise I'll read it more closely.

But I can't guarantee I'll still remember it - or associate it with your ID here - after more than 90 seconds, I'm a bit handicapped that way.

i'd already gathered that you might be a bit challenged. If its not interesting to you move on. Good day.

At my age and with my options in life moving into some backwater Thai area and learning Thai is not a option i'd be willing to consider.

I didnt come to Thailand to meet thai girls or make a new life and i didnt meet her in a farang tourist area.

no worries. i understand. been here since my mid'30s myself but never felt attracted to the "action".

Thats probably why you have garnered some real respect and still in sane state of mind.

I didnt come to Thailand to meet thai girls or make a new life and i didnt meet her in a farang tourist area.

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I don't think anyone's talking about any one comment (I have no idea what "her" you're talking about), just your overall view of Thai people reflecting a very limited set of experiences.

Maybe if you qualified the negatives a bit they would be less offensive.

well the comment you chose to reply to was a direct reply to my previous comment about a specific girl and my personal experiences...

maybe you should follow the conversation before you jump in with both feet

Higher proportions of the type you describe congregate in farang-infested areas. Get out of those places, learn Thai well enough and most importantly improve your attitudes towards them and you'll meet an entirely different set of very wonderful people.

Agreed in full.

I have a really great time here surrounded by really great Thai people (no farang) but then I do not engage in love-relationships (girlfriends, fiancés, wifes, mia-nois, keeks, whatever) with Thai women. They would never "get me" (as in "understand") and vice-versa.

At my age and with my options in life moving into some backwater Thai area and learning Thai is not a option i'd be willing to consider.

I didnt come to Thailand to meet thai girls or make a new life and i didnt meet her in a farang tourist area.

Its the old face saving bullshit which basically equates to if you catch them telling lies and you confront them with it, then they will blame you. No logic required.

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I think more like people who don't want to take responsibility for their lives will always blame outside forces and other people for their problems.

Its just mental immaturity, I'm not immune to it myself but this is on another level.

its just my opinion.

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No the point was you should find ways to improve the quality of the Thais you meet and stop overgeneralizing as if that select group was representative of the whole population.

Higher proportions of the type you describe congregate in farang-infested areas. Get out of those places, learn Thai well enough and most importantly improve your attitudes towards them and you'll meet an entirely different set of very wonderful people.

I've mingled with with Thais from all backgrounds, maybe not hi-so but certainly educated ones and have always treated them with respect, as i do most people i meet regardless of nationality or class.

The cultural traits in the middle class are still the same, the packaging may be different but underneath it all and behind the smiles they're nearly all as selfish and self centered as each other.

I wouldn't take the risk of introducing one into my family, but like i said thats just my opinion from a fairly limited experience of Thais, I'm certainly not as seasoned as some of the veterans on here, so maybe my opinion isn't worth that much.

But after 3 years i'll trust my own judgment with what i've known and seen with my own eyes.

We live and learn.

I've recently just come out of a 3 year relationship with a thai girl, 28yrs old office worker lower middle class middle class and a real stunner. I don't think i'd ever entertain doing it again.

I never married or got engaged to her, i wanted to, but there were just too many red flags popping along the way for me to take the plunge.

I'm 36 by the way and never had a problem attracting hot women in the west so i wasn't really operating out of my league and with lots of disposable income to burn.

She could have had it all from me visa, marriage into a fairly affluent western family, everything she said that she wanted in life, but she couldn't hold it together for more than 6 months. Unsurprisingly it was all my fault.

After stepping back from the situation and accessing the last 3 years its been one compromise after the other with her. trying to pass off lies and lack of respect as culture is just making excuses for them.

I dont just mean her, i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

Personally i would chose a average looking western women over a hot Thai any day.

Get yer crash helmet on buddy..... I sense 'incoming' for the 99% assumption

Well 1% does leave around 600,000 of them and i have met one decent Thai in 3 years...

Sorry to be pedantic but you said :

i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

That you have met .........

its just my opinion.

I've recently just come out of a 3 year relationship with a thai girl, 28yrs old office worker lower middle class middle class and a real stunner. I don't think i'd ever entertain doing it again.

I never married or got engaged to her, i wanted to, but there were just too many red flags popping along the way for me to take the plunge.

I'm 36 by the way and never had a problem attracting hot women in the west so i wasn't really operating out of my league and with lots of disposable income to burn.

She could have had it all from me visa, marriage into a fairly affluent western family, everything she said that she wanted in life, but she couldn't hold it together for more than 6 months. Unsurprisingly it was all my fault.

After stepping back from the situation and accessing the last 3 years its been one compromise after the other with her. trying to pass off lies and lack of respect as culture is just making excuses for them.

I dont just mean her, i'd say 99% of Thais from all backgrounds that I've met are selfish, self centered people with very little to offer a reasonably smart educated westerner in friendship or in relationships.

Personally i would chose a average looking western women over a hot Thai any day.

Get yer crash helmet on buddy..... I sense 'incoming' for the 99% assumption

Well 1% does leave around 600,000 of them and i have met one decent Thai in 3 years...

This guy might turn out to be a violent psycho and if so rightly should be brought back and put on trial. though that aint going to happen now he's back in the US.

But he may well have been acting in self defense.

I've not spent that much time in thailand maybe 1 year in total over the last 4 years, but i've lost count of the amount of times i've witnessed Thai girls attacking guys Thai and farang alike often with weapons, usually a stiletto shoe heel.

That can kill you if they get a good clean strike on the head, most guys i notice just run away at that point..

Also lots of hotels have big heavy wooden, sharp edged thai style beds, If she was thrown against one of these on her back or chest it could cause serious injury.

Whatever did happen in that hotel room was a tragedy and only two people do know the truth.