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Giving the benefit of the doubt to the girl....
I would guess that it is the grandparents that taught the kid this rather than the mother... As mom is working and left the kid in Isan to be raised by the parents
I also agree that the women should have stepped in and corrected her son on acting like this. My guess is that she did not and made this Thai culture excuse, as she has guilt issues about leaving her son with her parents.
She likely only sees him 2 or 3 times a year and does not want to be the bad guy or discipline him at all on the few occasions that she gets to see him
So even if no nefarious "farang = ATM" motive, she still has issues to work out.
Also if she has a good job and the kid is 6, can't understand why she does not bring him to BKK for school?
Even if single mom, if she has decent job, she can send him to school and hire someone to look after him after school for a few hours a day.
Or like some of the girls at our office... They will send their kids to school by the office and after school kids will be dropped off at the office and wait for an hour or two until they finish at work and then go home together
Most of what you say regarding the Thai Lady only seeing the children 3 times a year is correct and I thought exactly the same as she would never shout or tell the children off even when they refused to do what she told them and kept buying them fizzy drinks and crisps.
I don't think the Thai Lady earns enough and it is cheaper to leave her 2 children with her mother and father that also look after the son of her divorced brother.
What surprised me from the visit was that her parents really are genuine and work hard. They were in their fields planting sugar cane for the 3 days I was there.
But I could not believe my eyes that the children would leave food not finish everything given to them if the fam ily was poor.
I also was shocked by the lack of discipline; the way the children played with toys and just left them (boy 9 years old) on the floor (my parents would have made me put them away or they would be in the dustbin) and the way they just left rubbish (drink bottles and packets) on the floor after eating even though there were dustbins within 3 metres (I would have been slapped and sent to bed for this).
I honestly believe that these so called "Thai poor kids" have a better easier life than I ever did.
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As people have asked for more information:
The Thai Lady left the village when 16.
She worked and studied iin Bangkok.
She has Bachelor of Administration from a government university and has a good well paid job by Thai standards working at the head office in Bangkok of the largest sugar cane company.
She is therefore no Bar Girl that I fell in love with because I am unable to attract and score with western girls................LOL
Her 2 children live with her mother and father in the village 40 kms south of Udon Thani.
The way i met the Thai Lady was that I was coming to Thailand to look at investment potential and change of life as the West and its currency is pretty much screwed for 10 years (i might write a posting about this). I went on a dating web site as thought it would be interesting to meet up with someone,
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You gave the Thai girl money, but you didn't give any money to the Thai boy. He must have felt very left out.
You gave the Thai girl money, but you didn't give any money to the Thai boy. He must have felt very left out.
When I refered to Thai girl, I wastalking about my girlfriend, not a sister of the son.
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Buy the kid a packet of crisps...that'll shut him up.
I had already given the Thai girl money for this purpose and he had been eating these and soft drinks already.
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The Thai girl that I am seeing lives in Thailand but comes from a village 40 kms south of UdonThani.
I went to visit her family and her 2 children.
On the second day I was there; the youngest child (6 years old) came to me and said "Give Me !" (in Engllsh ) with his hands out in gesture of wanting money and calling me KEENOCK when I gave none.
I should point out that:
I am no desperate farang (the kind that I read about, that give all).
I have principles and somebody (including a child) DEMANDING money from me is not going to get it.
The Thai girl taught the boy to say "Give Me" referring to the money saga 2 minutes before he started demanding the money (this went on for 10 minutes) in front of the Thai girl and his other brother and friends.
I was in no situation to be able to respond to the boy, not speaking Thai,
What surprised me is that the Thai girl friend would:
1) Teach him to say "Give Me"
2) Not tell him to stop once he started and carried on for 10 minutes.
3) The Thai girl told me it is Thai culture to give money to children (say 60 bt a time), I found this surprising as her parents were paying farm workers 200 bt per day for farm labouring.
The other thing that surprised me was that she tells me that her family are poor, yet the children eat only some of the food and then leave the rest that gets thrown in the dustbin.
Lets face it 40 bt here and there is little to a farang and it would have been far easier to have paid up.
However, I feel that it would be weak to give the money and have principles.
Is this normal behaviour?
Your comments would be appreciated.
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I am new to this forum and am considering farming in Kumphawapi; near UdonThani.
Thank you for the very interesting posts of people's experience of Harversters.
After reading all the comments I am considering the Kubota DC-60 Harverter:
(1) It can be used for rice; but what other crops can it be used for in Thailand?
(2) Is the machine easy to repair for someone that is very practical with repairing cars and has a degree in engineering?
(3) Realistically how many Rai of rice should you have to make this machine viable to buy for your own farm?
(4) If I buy a Kubota Tractor L4708 47HP Tractor and trailer; will this be powerful enough to transport the Kubota DC-60 Harvester?
(5) Anyone have experience of buying one of these machines second hand and if so was it a good proposition or is it better to spend the money and buy new if you can afford it?
I thought I would refresh this topic to see if I could get an answer to the above questions.
I also have some more questions.
(6) What else can the Kubota DC60 harvest that might be worth growing in the Udon Thani province.
(7) What are the average (difficult one) repair costs per season for this machine. i am basing this on 1 crop a year only.
I did try to do some calculations (typical of accountant that I am).
Perhaps some of you can have a look at my spread sheet and criticise it and give your opinions.
Basically, break even is about 500 rai a year.
Thankyou
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The land price debate will never end, so there will never be a cut and dry answer.
Now if you take away personal views etc, in this global economy, given similar infrastructure and similar futility, should land not be similarr in price any where in the world. To say that Thailand is a poor country and land prices should be less, is like saying gold should be cheaper here than in the west. After all a carrot is a carrot and is really of the same value anywhere [minus taxes etc] So how much is good land worth where you come from. Just a thought. Jim
Greenbelt farmland (around London) sells for about 1/2 to 1/3 the price of farm land here.
I have an Australian pal trying to sell his farm in Oz, good land, good water supply, not far from a big city. Asking price for 200 acres (500rai) is 400,000 AU$, includes a house ...... no takers in 4 years (that's under 30kbht per rai).
I was in an Estate Agent for farm land in the UK only last month to find out the price of an acre of green belt agricultural land.
I was researching and comparing the price of farmland in Bulgaria, UK (Green Belt Herts,Beds, Bucks, Essex) and Thailand (Udonthani Province) to try and justify the prices that I hear that a rai of rice farm sells for in Udonthani Province.
1 Acre agricultural land in UK Green Belt is £6500 => £6500 x 50 bt per GB Pound x 0.4 (acre to rai) => 130,000 bt per rai.
By the way; agricultural land does not mean you can keep horses on the land as a horse is not considered a farm animal.
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Just in the interest of comparing
http://www.shropshir...sive-in-the-uk/
In the most expensive area of the UK farmland price averages 7,500 Pounds per acre. That would be 3,000 Pounds/ 150,000 Bt per Rai.
I know that overheads would be a lot higher in the UK, but if I was in the market and looking to invest in farmland, I certainly wouldn't be interested at 300,000 Bt per Rai. I'm talking about agricultural, not buiding land, obviously.
I was thinking exactly the same comparing the UK farm land prices.
Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire, Buckinghamshire Arable farm land is about £6500 an acre.
Arable farm land in green belt means you will not be able to develop this land. You cannot even use it for horses (horses are not farm animal in UK).
That equates to 130,000 bt per rai. (GB£1 = 50bt ; 1 Rai - 0.4 Acres).
Talking to Thai people in Udonthani area, I am getting the impression that the going price is 50,000 bt per Rai for good quality land.
I thought I would bring up that recently I was looking at foreign property on Ebay UK out of interest. I am seeing agricultural land in Bulgaria (to me third world like Thailand in farming) sell for about £400 an acre => 8,000 bt a Rai.
I have no idea of the quality of this land but it makes Thailand look expensive.
Someone has mention that renting rice farm land in Thailand is about 800bt per rai.
On 50,000bt capital outlay, the return of 800bt is 1.6% per annum.
This is very low but I think I would rather have my capital invested in land than a Western bank.
Though the risk could be worse when the land is registered in a Thai girl..................LOL
What I also was thinking (perhaps not relevant to this thread) is the labour cost.
In the UK a farmer labourer gets the minimum wage of £6.10 => 300 bt per hour. Say an 8 hour day => 2,400 bt
In Thailand I believe that a farm labourer would get 300 bt per day.
So looking at your the capital cost to labour cost per day:
UK 130,000 bt : 2400 bt => 1.85 Thailand 50,000 bt : 300 bt => 0.6
Obviously other considerations have to be taken such as sales prices of crops.
On the above calculations; Thai farm land would still appear to be a good investment at 50,000 bt per rai.
But on a commercial basis, renting at 800 bt per rai seems a very safe viable proposition for us farang that cannot own land in Thailand.
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I am new to this forum and am considering farming in Kumphawapi; near UdonThani.
Thank you for the very interesting posts of people's experience of Harversters.
After reading all the comments I am considering the Kubota DC-60 Harverter:
(1) It can be used for rice; but what other crops can it be used for in Thailand?
(2) Is the machine easy to repair for someone that is very practical with repairing cars and has a degree in engineering?
(3) Realistically how many Rai of rice should you have to make this machine viable to buy for your own farm?
(4) If I buy a Kubota Tractor L4708 47HP Tractor and trailer; will this be powerful enough to transport the Kubota DC-60 Harvester?
(5) Anyone have experience of buying one of these machines second hand and if so was it a good proposition or is it better to spend the money and buy new if you can afford it?
Son Of Thai Girl Demanding Money
in Family and Children
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She came to Bangkok and lived with relatives.
She started work cutting up fish in a factory.
Then she did a diploma (I think that is higher education)
She worked at Seagate assembling testing hard drives.
She was then as team leader at Panasonic testing TVs
She then worked for Thai Investment Industry while doing her BA. I think this was like Open University in UK as she did not obtain until 30 years old.
She now works for board of directors at HO of the largest sugar company churning out reports and information.
I have been to her office in Bangkok and she leaves at 7am and back at 6pm doing an 8 to 5 office job.
Her English spoken English was very poor but written good. The opposite of a bar girl I would assume.
She had the children while doing her diploma and went back to village for maternity leave and then return to Bangkok.
Regarding chatting. Often when she is at work on MSN and then again in the evening.
I have to say that when I am in Thailand she is not greedy.
When I am in Bangkok, she comes back to my hotel after work.
We stay in run of the mill hotels
She has even now suggested staying in her 20 M room to save money.
She is happy to travel by bus, Sky Train and Underground.
We eat in local restaurants as opposed to farang restaurants.
So in that respect I am pretty convinced she is genuine.
I was just shocked by the behaviour of the younger son and the fact that she did not intervene. If I as a child would have asked for money from a visiting person and told the visitor they were a tight arse; I would for sure would have been beaten up by my parents just for the start.