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What this if you are interested in peace loving Arabs!

https://youtu.be/y4h2q33BqhM

I see post 39 has it up on TV.

Is America ready for another Black President?

Does labour really think this fool is going to get them the government in 2020? This is the end of the labour party as a force in UK politics, following the demise of the Libdems. This leaves the conservatives and UKIP!

Anyone voting Tory next election?

They really don't like what Farage has to say. But they know the truth of his words. The EU is a failure.

No surprise. Israel does not want peace, they want land. Always expanding.

OK so how much land did they take since the weekend? was it Jordanian land, Syrian land or maybe Egyptian land. Can't remember any of them complaining Israel just took more land from them. Or maybe you would like to post a link proving your assertion!

No problem.

Quote from link :

"Out of a total 11,134 demolition orders, 570 were labeled as ready to be carried out. In the first half of 2015 alone, the Civil Administration destroyed 245 Palestinian structures in Area C. Meanwhile, 2,454 orders were put on hold in light of legal issues, and another 8,110 were said to be “in process.”

https://www.rt.com/news/314682-palestinian-buildings-demolition-israel/

how does demolition equate to taking land. Did Israel surround each area with barbed wire and stick an Israeli flag in the middle? Again where does it say Israel took land from the arabs these past few day's.

^^^ Historically Palestine was a region that encompassed all or some of several countries in the area. There never was a nation called Palestine or a people called Palestinians. That name was hijacked by Yassar Arafat in the 1960's and only then did these people begin to be called Palestinians by their own modern choice.

There never was and still isn't a nation called Palestine and there never was a people called Palestinians.

This isn't "their homeland" as some would try to trick you into believing. It is the Old City of Jerusalem in East Jerusalem which historically belonged to the Israelis.

Cheers.

There were no such people as Israelis until 1948.

The Palestinian flag flies outside the UN, 70% of the world's countries recognize the State of Palestine with more soon to follow, and it would have had full statehood at the UN a few months ago but for the last minute lobbying by the US. Time is on the side of the Palestinians.

Personally, I think it is a tragic waste of life that a 13 year old boy gets shot in the chest by a fully armed Israeli soldier, when there are so many other non lethal ways of controlling crowds.

I think the way to go for Palestinians is non violent civil disobedience, flood the social media with images of their daily humiliations, beatings and murder at the hands of the iDF, then take the war crimes to the ICC.

Israel is worried that the Palestinians are winning the peace.

The problem with the Palestinians is that they are all heart (feelings, no brain-work), and cannot control their penchant toward demonstrating emotional, reactionary behavior. Meanwhile, the Israeli government is coldly calculating every move, on a level of pure thought. The thinkers always win, both the war & the peace

The arabs are all Heart. Bleeding hearts hahahahahahahaha

France is one reason the EU doesn't work. Can you imagine what would happen if the French government took the farmers subsidy away. There would be civil war in France!

Who fly's Air France?

No surprise. Israel does not want peace, they want land. Always expanding.

OK so how much land did they take since the weekend? was it Jordanian land, Syrian land or maybe Egyptian land. Can't remember any of them complaining Israel just took more land from them. Or maybe you would like to post a link proving your assertion!

Israel demonization game is to take every small news story in Israel to spread lies and incite irrational hatred against the entirety of the Israeli nation. Speaking of inciting.

The topic here is about the report, unconfirmed, from IONE reporter. The issue is the incitement. Were the agents the first to throw stones or did they join to blend in? If the former, that would be sleazy. If the latter, that would be pretty much needed to keep the cover.

You may be correct here. I have pointed out many times how many Israeli agents operate within the Palestinian population. Nothing happens without their knowledge. But, in order accept your theory, which I do, you also have to consider them firing rockets when need be for similar motives. It would be nothing to fire a couple of rockets into the dessert which is often the case.

brilliant idea, why don't the Israeli's think of that! They could fight themselves and blame the Arabs. Oh wait a minute, That's what the Arabs do kill each other and blame Israel.

No surprise. Israel does not want peace, they want land. Always expanding.

OK so how much land did they take since the weekend? was it Jordanian land, Syrian land or maybe Egyptian land. Can't remember any of them complaining Israel just took more land from them. Or maybe you would like to post a link proving your assertion!

Israel demonization game is to take every small news story in Israel to spread lies and incite irrational hatred against the entirety of the Israeli nation. Speaking of inciting.

The topic here is about the report, unconfirmed, from ONE reporter. The issue is the incitement. Were the agents the first to throw stones or did they join to blend in? If the former, that would be sleazy. If the latter, that would be pretty much needed to keep the cover.

Israel did have snatch squads to take out the ring leaders. This is IMO what the OP may be referring to!

Such BS Fatah saw what Israel did to Hamas in Gaza. But again This shows Arabs aren't interested in Peace, They just want confrontation.

No surprise. Israel does not want peace, they want land. Always expanding.

OK so how much land did they take since the weekend? was it Jordanian land, Syrian land or maybe Egyptian land. Can't remember any of them complaining Israel just took more land from them. Or maybe you would like to post a link proving your assertion!

The Palestinians just don't "get it".

Oh I think they do "get it"...the question is ...do you?

What would you do if your homeland were invaded by a foreign army 48 years ago, then they proceeded to transfer their own population there, stealing your land and destroying your home, humiliate, beat, and kill your friends and family on a daily basis. Then herd you into refugee camps just like they did to your grandparents when they stole their land 67 years ago. And even though this contravenes all international laws, the world does absolutely nothing, except supply arms to the invaders.

I'd be pretty angry about it as are the Palestinians in the OP justifiably so. Or would you just roll over and do nothing?

That's the point, they don't have a homeland and never did. They can't have what was never theirs in the first place.

You really do need to zip-it, sir! ~ before you open a can of worms (on this forum) that you're obviously not knowledgeable enough to deal with. Just a word to the wise

Which worms would they be?

The Palestinians just don't "get it".

Oh I think they do "get it"...the question is ...do you?

What would you do if your homeland were invaded by a foreign army 48 years ago, then they proceeded to transfer their own population there, stealing your land and destroying your home, humiliate, beat, and kill your friends and family on a daily basis. Then herd you into refugee camps just like they did to your grandparents when they stole their land 67 years ago. And even though this contravenes all international laws, the world does absolutely nothing, except supply arms to the invaders.

I'd be pretty angry about it as are the Palestinians in the OP justifiably so. Or would you just roll over and do nothing?

That's the point, they don't have a homeland and never did. They can't have what was never theirs in the first place.

Substitute "place where they live" for homeland and answer the question then.

Pre 1967 Jerusalem and the West bank was Jordanian. So where they live now should be Jordan. But as Jordan gave up sovereignty over those areas. They are definitely not living in the right place. They should go home to Jordan. Simple

Funny, checking the history of that region it was called Palestine (and the Levant) through most of the 19th century and the 20th century until 1949 when the Khazarians invaded that region from Europe, et al. and started terrorist campaigns and murdering people (Stern gang , et al). Of course, the revision history prevalent in the West now has it down different but, the Atlases of the time disagree. The British sold it out for the wars they were losing (see Balfour Declaration as the initial agreement) which of course, the British had no right to do so but, then that has never stopped an imperial power before. There is an old Abe Lincoln expression that is appropriate here regards that comment, "You can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but, you can't fool all of the people all of the time." Times are a changin' and people are learning the truth and reality.

Well obviously you have been fooled with this BS.

The Palestinians just don't "get it".

Oh I think they do "get it"...the question is ...do you?

What would you do if your homeland were invaded by a foreign army 48 years ago, then they proceeded to transfer their own population there, stealing your land and destroying your home, humiliate, beat, and kill your friends and family on a daily basis. Then herd you into refugee camps just like they did to your grandparents when they stole their land 67 years ago. And even though this contravenes all international laws, the world does absolutely nothing, except supply arms to the invaders.

I'd be pretty angry about it as are the Palestinians in the OP justifiably so. Or would you just roll over and do nothing?

That's the point, they don't have a homeland and never did. They can't have what was never theirs in the first place.

So a blue eyed fair haired Jew from New York who just stepped off the plane having never clapped eyes on the place before, waves a gun and a bible at the olive skinned Palestinian whose family have farmed the land for centuries and who probably has more Hebrew blood in his little finger than the Jew in his entire body, ... says, "Thanks for caretaking the land for the last 2,000 years. I am a chosen person and I have here in this popular work of fiction the original lease from my imaginary supernatural friend. Now clear off to that refugee camp. This is mine."

..and that folks is the warped logic on which racist supremacist Zionism is based.

And it gets worse. "If you or your children object to my confiscation, I will shoot your 13 year old child."

That is the injustice that Palestinians are protesting in the OP, and that is the injustice that I and many others globally are angry about too.

You are joking yes!

Any injustice the Palestinians may feel is a result of their own activities. They have themselves to blame. Tell me how does a Palestinian have more jewish blood in his little finger than a Jew has in his entire body?

Really quite pathetic.

You even get a like from an admitted racist. Say's it all about your racist posts.

The Palestinians just don't "get it".

Oh I think they do "get it"...the question is ...do you?

What would you do if your homeland were invaded by a foreign army 48 years ago, then they proceeded to transfer their own population there, stealing your land and destroying your home, humiliate, beat, and kill your friends and family on a daily basis. Then herd you into refugee camps just like they did to your grandparents when they stole their land 67 years ago. And even though this contravenes all international laws, the world does absolutely nothing, except supply arms to the invaders.

I'd be pretty angry about it as are the Palestinians in the OP justifiably so. Or would you just roll over and do nothing?

That's the point, they don't have a homeland and never did. They can't have what was never theirs in the first place.

https://www.facebook.com/TeenTimesSocial/videos/vb.721874511183151/977779252259341/?type=2&theater

boys will be boys!

Abbas thought he could start a religious war! With his false claims that Israel wanted to change the situation on the temple mount, That "Jews dirty" feet should not enter Al aqsa. It is pure religious hate against the jews.

It has backfired on him, but if anyone is to blame for this latest round of violence it is Abbas. So this isn't about Israel owning Judea and Samaria, or even about an arab state. It is about hate for Jews.

Abbas doesn't want a Palestinian homeland he wants war.

It isn't murder. Many people have been stoned to death and when a group of people are stoning others...

Start throwing stones at me and see how long you last. I live in a place where it's lawful for me to use deadly force to protect myself from "serious bodily injury or death".

I believe that's right and just and so does the law.

If someone doesn't want me to put one right between his eyes he can simply refrain from throwing stones at me.

Cheers.

Simple. The IDF and Israeli squatters wouldn't get stones thrown at them if they ended their occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians and cleared off back behind the safety of the 1967 borders that the Palestinians are willing to recognize. You sorta feel this is a problem of Israel's own making. They hold all the cards to resolve it....IF they really wanted to.

The result of Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza demonstrates perfectly the so called 'safety' of any borders. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that If in years to come Israel were to withdraw to the '67 borders, or some close approximation to them it would not be long before more rockets, shootings and stone throwing occurred within said borders. By that time a new generation of esteemed members would be defending Palestinian terror and arguing piously that the state of Israel had no right to exist and the original recognition of Israel by the U.N should be reversed.

It would not be necessary. In decades to come Israeli Arabs will have outbred Israeli Jews, and will marry Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza. It will inevitably be a one state solution....that's how transmigrations naturally happen. There will be no more huge 20th century type influxes of Jews into Palestine into a war zone...well, not many sane ones anyway.

In fact I thought that might be the bombshell news that Abbas threatened to drop last week at the UN. Oslo Peace Accords are dead..no progress on a Palestinian state after 22 years of stalling and expansion by Israel, so we may as well go for a one state solution, and practise civil disobedience until we get equal citizenship rights.

Go ahead, Israel, manage this mess all by yourselves without asking the PA to do your dirty work policing for you. And a fine start they have made in the OP, the IDF wearing body armor and helmets firing live amunition to murder a 13 year old child.

The pressure will come from Europe. They can hardly cope with a few hundred thousand Syrians, so they certainly dont want a further 4.5 million Palestinian refugees if Netanyahu is planning to use his present stunt as a forerunner for another wave of ethnic cleansing.

So I think the Palestinians are there to stay. Question is what is Israel going to do about their growing numbers?

So carry on shooting yourself and your future in the foot Israel. Isn't anyone in Israel far sighted enough to think these things through?

The only people shooting themselves in the foot is the arabs. Or had you missed that? The pressure from the EU will evaporate as you say they will have their own problems with migrants invading their countries.

And now with Syria taking centre stage, The Palestinians may just become irrelevant. Yet again Abbas has missed calculated, now his own people hate him, he may not be able to stop a third intifada, will his security teams listen to him? I'm waiting to see Palestinian kill Palestinian for who takes control.

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It isn't murder. Many people have been stoned to death and when a group of people are stoning others...

Start throwing stones at me and see how long you last. I live in a place where it's lawful for me to use deadly force to protect myself from "serious bodily injury or death".

I believe that's right and just and so does the law.

If someone doesn't want me to put one right between his eyes he can simply refrain from throwing stones at me.

Cheers.

Simple. The IDF and Israeli squatters wouldn't get stones thrown at them if they ended their occupation of 4.5 million Palestinians and cleared off back behind the safety of the 1967 borders that the Palestinians are willing to recognize. You sorta feel this is a problem of Israel's own making. They hold all the cards to resolve it....IF they really wanted to.

The result of Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza demonstrates perfectly the so called 'safety' of any borders. I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that If in years to come Israel were to withdraw to the '67 borders, or some close approximation to them it would not be long before more rockets, shootings and stone throwing occurred within said borders. By that time a new generation of esteemed members would be defending Palestinian terror and arguing piously that the state of Israel had no right to exist and the original recognition of Israel by the U.N should be reversed.

Do you have a garden? It is mine now, and if you complain too much i may leave but will be sure you can t have a proper economy and also i will bully you and your family and then time to time send some molotov because you complain of my behavior.. it is the same on a bigger scale in gaza and cisjordani. More than 200 non contraignant blames vetoed by USA each year at the UN, using the old cars of "anti-Semitism" as soon as someone complain about fae right wing government of Israel, same old same old..

Israel is creating a new generation of terrorists with their actions and settlements

When Israel pulled out of Gaza, they left behind infrastructure that would have been good for Gaza's economy. The Arabs destroyed it all.

The number of UN resolutions against Israel last year 20, the number of resolutions against Syria last year 1. More people have died in Syria than in all the conflicts between Arabs and Israel. So we know the UN is biased against Israel.

Maybe the Arabs should go back to, as you put it Jordani, where they belong.

Half of the troubles are in OCCUPIED territories.. as long as the settlements continue, there will be no peace.

The Arabs are revolting! As long as they make trouble there will be no peace.

The Palestinians never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity, on numerous occasion refusing

to accept a very generous offer to end the hostilities by giving back as much as 95% of all land, Madrid 1991, Oslo 1993, Clinton 2000, road map to peace 2002, 2006=2008 PM Ehud Olmert, all

which refused out of hand,

you can't make peace with people who doesn't care any more, and who live under the corrupt

and bloated regime, people so hopelessly lost they don't care to live or die and wishing for more

dead, chaos and carnage, this is not the kind of mind set to make peace with, even if Israel to

completely withdraw form all territories tomorrow, it will end nothing and bring no peace, the want to see

Israel gone completely form the region and this is not going to happened ever....

I dispute your post but fear we would be drifting off topic.

One contradiction sticks out...."generous offer" and 95% ..do the math.

When you say drift off topic would that be because you know you are wrong? Olmert offered them the best deal they could have hoped for. But they decided to stick to terror.

Time and again the Arabs were offered peace. Time and again they have turned their backs on Peace.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/now-i-understand-how-and-why-the-palestinians-lost-palestine/

Often we transform into nihilists: We damn everything, we reject everything, we doubt everything. No one poses a pragmatic alternative or a comprehensive positive change. We only employ the language of rejection and doubt even in the smaller aspects of our lives. In this respect, we are failing and failing again (we enjoy the pain and injustice), we repeat them in other forms and colors.…We complain and grumble…Then we complain and grumble again…Our failure only increases in size…Then we complain and grumble again!!

The tit for tat continue, with radical Islamic sentiments flaming the fire, it is unacceptable that a minority

will act as an unruly mob for months and years on end, with people calling for 4rd and 4th up rising,

had this have happened in any other neighboring countries, and many other countries around

the world that conceder themselves as a democracy and of law and order, there would be many

dead and wounded laying in the streets, the Israeli government is holding back for now, for how long more?

this is the question,

Democratic countries around the world do not illegally occupy the next door neighbor's land for 48 years. Democratic countries also believe in [international] law and order that says you cannot transfer your own population into land you occupy during war. Democratic countries allow refugees to return to their homes after fighting ends.

That is the crux of the problem. That is why Palestinians are protesting.

End the occupation, and make a just peace with your neighbors, Israel. The problem not going away. Israel is simply digging a deeper hole for itself.

Israel isn't occupying any neighbours lands. Jordan gave up ownership of the land. If the Arabs want peace then let them make peace with Israel. The Arabs are just digging a deeper hole for themselves until they do.

Abbas could be starting something daring and crafty......resign, dissolve the PA, and hand over to the Israelis. Take us, you're an occupying force, now deal with the people according to international law.

I'd love to see Netanyahu's face if that happened.

I hate to puncture your balloon with the pin of reality, but Abbas is bluffing. Without Israel to prop up his corrupt regime Hamas operatives would seize the West Bank and Abbas would be dangling from a rope, unless he escaped across the Jordan to his Country of birth that is.

http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/6620/abbas-bluff

As one of Abbas's advisors, Mahmoud Habbash, later clarified, "President Abbas did not cancel any agreements. He only made a threat, which is not going to be carried out tomorrow."

Abbas was born in Safed, not in Jordan.

Regardless of Abbas not cancelling agreements, your post actually makes a good case for the Israeli government to do its best strengthening Abbas's position rather than spurning him and undermining his authority. Abbas might not be the ideal partner for peace, but is much preferable to the alternatives (goes for both opposition and potential successors within the Fatah). That is, provided reaching conflict resolution (with the various compromises it entails) being a goal.

Maybe but he has a Jordanian Passport. Abbas is a spent force in the West Bank. he is hated by his own people. That is why he hasn't cancelled the security agreements with Israel. He needs Israel to stay alive!

As for successors, there aren't any because Abbas didn't see fit to prepare for when he retires. But until the Arabs can present a united front for peace, there will not be peace.