ggold

So where are all the people who bash Israel? No one got anything to say about ISIS killing innocent people or committing Genocide?

ISIS is losing a lot of conquered territory in Iraq and Syria due to joint effort of the coalition forces and the guerrilla fights of the Kurds, Hezbollah, Iraqi Army, Syrian Army and all other Syrian/Iraqi/Irani forces. Some are radical, and others non-radical.

Israel has a passive role, but that's off topic.

http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/1.632418

That's one good news. The other good news is that the mass public killing - read genocide - is reduced due to shortage of new recruits, military vs psychological defeats and several strategical blunders.

Quote from OP :

"Previously, the group has let go of hundreds of other Yazidis held in captivity. Iraqi and Kurdish officials said they believe the militants couldn't afford caring for the prisoners, many of whom were elderly and sick."

To be honest, that all ready like a defence of ISIS actions! to quote "The other good news is that the mass public killing - read genocide - is reduced" So is it genocide or mass killings? When does mass killing become genocide?

to quote "Previously, the group has let go of hundreds of other Yazidis held in captivity"

are you suggesting ISIS aren't all that bad they did free a lot of people as well? But no actual condemnation from you for what has been done. We won't mention the off topic part of your post.

I read 300 Yazidis killed from another source, this is in effect a genocide in progress.

Edit, make that 600, but some deaths don't matter, so who's counting?

http://aranews.net/2015/05/isis-militants-execute-600-yezidis-northern-iraq/

People don't care when it is Arab killing Arab! or Arab killing Christians. after all they don't live anywhere near there. So why should they care? But it is very telling when it comes to that other issue in the ME!

I don't even think they are counting the executed to come to a figure of how many Isis have killed ritualistically, as these are a form of ritual killings in the name of what ever faith system ISIS are followers of. So it is far greater a number than 600 by now.

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

The sickening thing is that they reject any Jewish source, unless it supports their position, in which case they highlight it.

That proves Israeli media are able to examine the situation without bias. That there can be opposing views. I don't see any Arabs putting opposing views forward. not unless they want to be shot by their own brothers! Only after protective edge did any voice of anger come out of the Arab world against Hamas and what they did in Gaza.

Rejecting a source only because of a Jewish connection is what exactly?

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It proves they cannot disprove what is said. So they claim the source is biased, while providing biased links that just reinforce their hatred of Israel or Jews or both!

Haters are sad people who have nothing going for themselves other than hate. What a way to go through life!

So where are all the people who bash Israel? No one got anything to say about ISIS killing innocent people or committing Genocide?

The latest utterances from the UN are very telling. First even they have to admit weapons were stored by Hamas in at least three U.N schools and fired from at least two, making Chris Gunnell out to be the liar he is. Secondly the UN admits failures in reporting on or dealing with abuses of UN facilities by UNRWA and its need for reorganization, I would say need for disbanding. Ban Ki Moon also thanked Israel for carrying out investigations into breaches of rules of engagement and for cooperating with the UN in their investigation. The Palestinians did neither, but are never criticized or held to account by those with Israel derangement syndrome.

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/5812/un_guilt_and_hamas_war_crimes

P.s Hamas are busy digging new tunnels, reports of underground activity are emerging from residents of Southern Israel. I wonder if any more children have died in addition to the estimated 160 who died in the previous bout of tunneling?

But didn't Hamas then claim Israeli troops killed these children. Or did Hamas admit the children were forced to dig tunnels for the Terrorists?

http://tabletmag.com/scroll/180400/hamas-killed-160-palestinian-children-to-build-terror-tunnels

Militant group used child labor to construct underground network in Gaza

Your crystal ball is is set on wishful thinking. The boycott movement has failed dismally. Israel keeps on improving its economy and is way ahead of other countries with innovative technology that the rest of the world badly needs. The Jewish state ain't going nowhere.

If their economy is so good then they should not accept money from the US for arms. Let them pay for things themselves.

The Jewish State will definitely be going somewhere whether they like it or not. They will have no choice because of their beligerence in continuing to do the same thing over and over and thinking it may be better.

If they dont change their way of dealing with the situation they will be the author of their own demise, and after all the warning signs, will deserve everything that goes against them.

actually from what I have seen Israel takes American arms and makes them 10 time better, Which America benefits from as well.

ggold (thread full)

The arabs want all or nothing.

Simply not true. They want all of the land occupied in 1967 (with land swaps ...so Israel gets to keep its large settlements close to the border plus all lands occupied in 48...quite a concession from Palestinians I reckon).

The PA was talking to Netanyahu and Kerry just last year. Then Netanyahu announced more settlements and the OP Gaza War started. What's wrong with trying again...and again...and again. Better than war.

So it had nothing to do with Abbas forming a unity government with a terrorist group Hamas? A group which still calls for the destruction of Israel. A unity government which is far from united.

Don't you think the Arabs hold some of the blame for any lack of peace?

Now you go on about settlements, the reality though I know you won't accept it is, there is only expansion of settlements already in existence, there are no new new settlement building going on at the moment.

Or I could provide this link, again I hope you accept the source as being a non bias source?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874883/EU-funding-illegal-building-West-Bank-says-report.html

The EU is acting illegally by funding unauthorised Palestinian building in areas placed under Israeli control by international law, say an NGO, international lawyers and MEPs.

More than 400 EU-funded Palestinian homes have been erected in Area C of the West Bank, which was placed under Israeli jurisdiction during the Oslo Accords – a part of international law to which the EU is a signatory.

The Palestinian buildings, which have no permits, come at a cost of tens of millions of Euros in public money, a proportion of which comes from the British taxpayer.

This has raised concerns that the EU is using valuable resources to take sides in a foreign territorial dispute.

Please also note the legal status of the land, It is Israeli is it not!

This conflict has gone on too long.

Israelis are surely intelligent enough to simply extricate themselves from this mess, in this instance killing 44 school girls and being accused of war crimes. I know and you know that the occupation of 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and a blockade of 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza while refusing them all the right to self determination is at the heart of the problem. And it cannot continue indefinitely. The Palestinian population is growing and the problem of absorbing them as equal citizens or reaching a just peace agreement with them to live separately is growing too.

Israeli chutzpah and denial is quite amazing, but something has to give in the end, and I don’t think it is going to be Palestinians volunteering themselves to disappear into a 3^rd wave of ethnic cleansing.

I agree that after all these years of bitterness Israel has serious security concerns, but why not sit down and thrash those problems out instead of a holding pattern of more wars, civilian casualties and lousy PR.

Why doesn’t Israel face up to reality that it can’t carry on in this cavalier fashion running roughshod over human rights forever while the whole world is watching. There will be consequences and maybe not to Israel’s advantage.

Who would Israel sit down to talk peace with. Hamas, or Fatah, the PLO?

Hamas police beat, arrest protesters at Gaza rally Over 400 demonstrators in Shejaiya urge reconstruction of Strip, call for end to intra-Palestinian division

Police in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip beat and arrested protesters on Wednesday at a youth rally in the north of the Palestinian enclave, an AFP correspondent said.

More than 400 demonstrators gathered in Shejaiya, a neighborhood in eastern Gaza City that was razed during a July-August war between the Hamas terrorist group and Israel, urging reconstruction and calling for an end to intra-Palestinian division.

Plainclothes police officers entered the crowd, beating a number of protesters without causing serious injury, the AFP correspondent said.

They then arrested at least seven people, according to witnesses.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-police-beat-arrest-protesters-at-gaza-rally/

It seems Hamas don't like peace demo's even when it is about their own unity! That is the problem is it not? There is no one to talk to because there is not one person who can speak for all the factions. Even Abbas keeps the refugee camps in the west bank as they are. He is not interested in their welfare, only his political status.

This always seems to be a one sided affair Israel is expected to do, when there is no one to do it with. It takes two to tango, the only tango the arabs are interested in is that of violence.

Peace plans have been on the table for negotiations for years...been very close to it already under Ehud Barak and Olmert, until darker anti peace forces intervened. When others see the benefits of peace and prosperity in the West Bank others' hearts and minds will follow too...Gazans and Israelis included.

Talk to the PA, then Syria, Lebanon and Hamas when circumstances dictate, just as Israel did piecemeal with Egypt and Jordan. Doesnt have to be all or nothing, sit on hands, all in the too hard basket. What on earth are we paying our politicians for? If you cant deliver, move aside for someone who can.

The OP atrocity should not be allowed to happen in the 21st century in a European style democracy.

Just saying it cant go on forever like this, so lets think towards the future and a just solution rather than getting stuck in the past.

The arabs want all or nothing. I don't think either Hamas, PLO Syria Lebanon are ready to talk with Israel. As you say yourself there were peace efforts. Arafat and now Abbas were/are both not willing to agree to peace. They had their chance they did not take it.

As I said it takes two to talk so where are the arabs that want to talk peace?

This conflict has gone on too long.

Israelis are surely intelligent enough to simply extricate themselves from this mess, in this instance killing 44 school girls and being accused of war crimes. I know and you know that the occupation of 2.5 million Palestinians in the West Bank and a blockade of 1.8 million Palestinians in Gaza while refusing them all the right to self determination is at the heart of the problem. And it cannot continue indefinitely. The Palestinian population is growing and the problem of absorbing them as equal citizens or reaching a just peace agreement with them to live separately is growing too.

Israeli chutzpah and denial is quite amazing, but something has to give in the end, and I don’t think it is going to be Palestinians volunteering themselves to disappear into a 3^rd wave of ethnic cleansing.

I agree that after all these years of bitterness Israel has serious security concerns, but why not sit down and thrash those problems out instead of a holding pattern of more wars, civilian casualties and lousy PR.

Why doesn’t Israel face up to reality that it can’t carry on in this cavalier fashion running roughshod over human rights forever while the whole world is watching. There will be consequences and maybe not to Israel’s advantage.

Who would Israel sit down to talk peace with. Hamas, or Fatah, the PLO?

Police in the Hamas-run Gaza Strip beat and arrested protesters on Wednesday at a youth rally in the north of the Palestinian enclave, an AFP correspondent said.

More than 400 demonstrators gathered in Shejaiya, a neighborhood in eastern Gaza City that was razed during a July-August war between the Hamas terrorist group and Israel, urging reconstruction and calling for an end to intra-Palestinian division.

Plainclothes police officers entered the crowd, beating a number of protesters without causing serious injury, the AFP correspondent said.

They then arrested at least seven people, according to witnesses.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-police-beat-arrest-protesters-at-gaza-rally/

It seems Hamas don't like peace demo's even when it is about their own unity! That is the problem is it not? There is no one to talk to because there is not one person who can speak for all the factions. Even Abbas keeps the refugee camps in the west bank as they are. He is not interested in their welfare, only his political status.

This always seems to be a one sided affair Israel is expected to do, when there is no one to do it with. It takes two to tango, the only tango the arabs are interested in is that of violence.

OF course it's an obscenity. What else might be an obscenity? religion? The reward of 72 virgins for killing Jews in the name of Allah?

How would you suggest israel protect itself? Choose to protect say half the people within rocket range? More? Less? Or maybe it would be better to sacrifice a small number, say 10?,20?, 30? to keep the western press quiet? Or maybe offer no resistance at all to win the approval of the likes of you

Israel isn't in a state of denial. Are you kidding me? Not confronted its past? Are you completely ignorant of Jewish history? It's precisely because the past has been confronted that Israel exists today ..Israel makes no apology for killing children You want to put your kids in harm's way? Up to you....

How would you suggest israel protect itself?

Perhaps by Israel not provoking a war with Hamas in the first place and by Israel getting serious about a just peace agreement with the PA, and accepting an long standing offer of an indefinite truce from Hamas in return for lifting the blockade of Gaza.

Simple as that. You've got to start with peace somewhere.

We've been here many times before in this debate.

Acquaint yourself with the facts at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2014_Israel%E2%80%93Gaza_conflict

You mean perhaps, Hamas should not start firing rockets at civilian targets. One thing is sure with you Dex. You love going around in circles coming out with the same propaganda and anti Israel rhetoric.

Hamas could have had peace they chose rockets instead. Hatred stops you from seeing the truth.

There is no peace and should be no peace until theres some give and take. Israel is a bully that is giving sham deals.

Hamas AND the average Gazan dont agree with the status quo.

If USA was Gaza, USA would do a Dresden on Tel Aviv to get what is their legal rights.

You forget that Israel left Gaza to the arabs, the arabs decided they did not want peace. If they gave up their rockets they could still have peace. But they prefer to use their own people as cannon fodder, and then claim Israel is to blame.

If Cuba was Gaza then the Americans would have bombed the crap out of it after the first rocket was fired.

Not mentioned is the 1:1 ratio of combatants killed relative to civilians, a ratio almost unprecedented in modern urban warfare. So the 2000 dead figure repeated ad nauseum by Hamas and their apologists has decreased to 1000, as did the 1500 killed during operation cast lead also came down to 750. This is not about drones but I would refer anyone to the civilian to combatants ratio due to drone attacks. Perhaps the Obama administration should be congratulating Israel on their restraint and accuracy.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/194666#.VT79jCYaySM

This is exactly what I mean by Israel and its apologists being in a state of denial and distortion to justify the massacre of innocent civilians.. First you alter the "more than 2,200 killed" mentioned in the OP to 2,000. Then you pluck a mysterious 1:1 ratio out of thin air and in an instant you make 492 real people disappear.

Those "real people" were Hamas TERRORISTS. That is the whole point.

The terrorist to civilian ratio of Palestinian deaths in Operation Protective Edge is an unprecedented 1:1, a news study released last week reveals - supporting earlier findings regarding the so-called "civilian casualties" Hamas touts to international media.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/185632#.VT8UPeVJ3fI

..and the source according to your link for these amazing figures is..

The Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), also known as Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center in honor of Meir Amit, is an Israeli-based research group with close ties to the Israel Defense Forces and the American Jewish Congress.The organisation is part of the Israel Intelligence Heritage and Commemoration Center (IICC).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligence_and_Terrorism_Information_Center

The Cherry-Picked Quotes

We were not permitted to speak with the AP reporters, but Reuven Erlich did, and it was not a good experience.

A few days before the AP article was published, one of its reporters, Karin Laub, telephoned Mr. Erlich of the Meir Amit Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center, which has documented in several of its own probes that the Hamas-generated numbers for Gaza civilian casualties are grossly inflated. The organization found that Hamas is obfuscating the actual lists and affiliations, partly because of objective technical difficulties (poor paperwork and a lack of access to some bodies), and as part of its propaganda campaign against Israel. Thus, Meir Amit’s experts are closely examining the deaths, one by one, and its final tally won’t be available for many months—if not years. For now, the ratio of civilian-to-terrorist deaths has been averaging roughly 1:1 in its reports.

“Hamas controls the information,” he continued, “like in Northern Syria, ISIS controls the information. We are not playing in a yard of a democratic country [where] you can go and make your own investigation.”

Mr. Erlich’s comments are interesting because the AP counted among the civilian dead “males between the ages of 16 and 59 whose names did not appear in connection with militant groups on searches of websites or on street posters honoring fighters.” What the article did not mention, but what was perfectly obvious to even the most casual observer of the Gaza conflict, was that Hamas has turned civilian casualty statistics into a weapon of war, and routinely inflated the numbers. As reported last August in a Forbes article (by Richard Behar) entitled “Media Intifada,” the AP and other major media outlets (including The New York Times and Reuters) simply parroted the Hamas claim that most of the war dead were civilians.

Army OWNS the land ???? How about the thai poeple own it ? or what ?

Most countries have reserve land assigned to the military. Sometimes huge tracts of land. The army is the caretaker of the land and seems to be saying that the factories under construction at Amata Industrial Estate can use this mineral. Nothing particularly unusual about is there? Military land surely is in the same category as Crown Lands.

I am sure area commanders just need a little incentive to see it that way.

Seems like the whole world is going back to Medieval Times, and we 're so much more Educated, Now...

and we 're so much more Educated, Now.

Really? Seems to me the world has forgetting some important lessons. Still making the same mistakes. History will prove we are no further forward as human beings than any other time.

And if this person wasn't who he is, this would not be news. besides this person doesn't really know who he is!

"My brain is more female than it is male,"

"I am, as far as I know, heterosexual. I've always been with a woman, raising kids."

I suggest this is what it is all about

"If the Kardashian show gave me a foothold to do some good, I'm all for that," Jenner said.

What BS.

What he needs is psychiatrist.

I'm not qualified to determine who needs professional help. I am, however, skeptical of those that do.

I live my life and leave others to live their's.

Those that use "BS" as a means of expressing themselves, provide little intellectual support for their position.

Now that is BS.

Unless you have walked in the shoes of a transgender person, you really don't know. Do you?

Accept who you are?

You hit the jackpot mate.

That is EXACTLY what true transgender people are doing.

They are accepting that they are really a DIFFERENT gender then their biological birth indicated.

It's all in their head mate!

I don't see the point in further discussion with you on this matter. Your mind is clearly made up in the direction of intolerance.

Actually It is not intolerance. I am interested in the Psychology of it, why would a guy his age suddenly decide he wants to be a woman. But there is also the angle of Nature and if this is a genuine or natural way of being for some people rather than a deep rooted psychological illness. Why hasn't nature allowed for that in the design of the human body?

Why should I just accept something because it can be surgically corrected? And is this not a form of self mutilation to alter the function of the body because of what some one thinks they are?

Unless you have walked in the shoes of a transgender person, you really don't know. Do you?

Accept who you are?

You hit the jackpot mate.

That is EXACTLY what true transgender people are doing.

They are accepting that they are really a DIFFERENT gender then their biological birth indicated.

They are accepting that they are really a DIFFERENT gender then their biological birth indicated.

Who says they are different? how do you know it is not a mental illness? It seems to me that if nature were going to allow for biological differences it would have designed a body for that purpose such as Hermaphrodites!

It seems a bit latent in life to decide to have a sex change? It's a bit like the chicken and egg which came first. Was it recognised as a gender issue before or after surgical techniques were developed to assist sex change.

Unless you have walked in the shoes of a transgender person, you really don't know. Do you?

Accept who you are?

You hit the jackpot mate.

That is EXACTLY what true transgender people are doing.

They are accepting that they are really a DIFFERENT gender then their biological birth indicated.

It's all in their head mate!

I am a guy that like girls. Is there something wrong with me?

Yes I am afraid there is. you are normal in an un-normal world! I'd go see a doctor ASAP

That's paranoid.

Nobody is making anyone change their gender (outside of IRAN anyway).

The need to change gender is a very rough road in so many ways.

How about some basic human compassion on the matter?

How about some basic human compassion on the matter?

You are so right. Junkyarddog, please accept my sincere apologies. It was wrong of me to suggest you had a gender crisis because you like girls.

I was being sarcastic.

OK I question the need to go through gender change. If we take Thailand as an example, gender re-assignment is an Industry. But how many guys end up looking like a woman in the true sense of the female image. Very few. Take a stroll past bars where ladyboys hang out, how many look like guys in drag? how many are there for financial reasons as opposed to being there because inside they really feel like a woman?

Does Nature really make such drastic errors or is this a Darwin moment in evolution?

What about the other way, a woman becoming a man, It seems easier to become a woman than a man, I watched a documentary about this a few decades ago, the woman having a vibrator attached instead of a penis. I don't think we are any closer to achieving genital transplants? And there is to my mind another issue! After this sex change, male to female, you can forget about orgasms. Who in their right mind would want to go through life without the occasional orgasm?

But I totally get sexual orientation, I'll go so far as say that maybe humans can be bisexual by nature! I just find it very hard to believe that a sex change is an answer to a persons gender identity? And just how far do you go with this sort of classification. You could argue that being Gay is a gender issue not just a persons sexual orientation.

I might have more compassion if he had just gone and done it, without making it a media circus, which I am sure it will become, maybe even a TV series book and T-shirt! Oh not forgetting the movie?

And is it not a joke that a bunch of doctors and psychiatrists are deciding if this guy is sane enough to become a woman???

But I guess money can buy you anything? And the Poor guy who can't afford it, well he just has to go on being a man! Because no one is really interested in some poor guy who wants to have a sex change.

There is such a thing as learning to accept who and what you are, in the skin you are in. That IMO is what he needs help with.

Good thing this confusion didn't happen earlier in life for him.

It might be hard to win the decathlon wearing high heels.

I'm not so sure, after the sex change he wouldn't be carrying any tackle, might have made her faster!

I am a guy that like girls. Is there something wrong with me?

Yes I am afraid there is. you are normal in an un-normal world! I'd go see a doctor ASAP