pacharaphet

"The court has accepted Wanthongchai's petition..."

Can anyone recall where that was not the case, when a PAD-Dem guy comes running?

What does this mean?

Worse than Yoda

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I dodn't know what planet F b comes from, but it sure as hell isn't planet earth

Judging by his handle he comes from the Frisian Islands - indeed "Top Frisian". And that really is like another planet!

My goal in this post is to take every view in this cited post into consideration:

1. The only thing I see wrong with F b's statement gramatically is that it could have been perhaps made more clear with a comma, whereas even that is debatable

2. I find the comment that acts as if the meaning is unclear based on an arguably non-errant comma to be ridiculous (you knew what was meant, come on, the first post meant that the only time the court seems to take action is when a member of the PDRC comes crying about unfair action on the side of the govt. and/or red shirts....you knew that was meant, but instead of addressing it you decided to make it seem as if this was a sentence that you simply could not fathom.....do you think the court is so righteous in Thailand? Go back in its history and look at its decisions regarding constitiutions, human rights, whatever, there are contradictions all over the place, and even many members of the PDRC admit this...I am not saying you do/do not know this but I am baffled by the way in which people use an heir of "I simply don't understand what you could possibly mean here" to conceal contempt for a side they cannot side with. Before you start attacking my side: Thaksin is a tool but so is Suthep and it is not as if he delivered or would deliver on any promises guaranteed before past or any future office terms........it is all a joke...and for the people saying: I just want Thailand to get back to business as usual...seriously people, look at the history of the LOS over the past eighty years and you will notice that THIS IS, except for perhaps the influence from a before pretty-much voiceless demographic, business as usual.......coups, installed govts, new consitutions, it's all part of the game that is "Thai-style Democracy"..this is not bashin against Thailand by any means but rather those who try to validate the term "Thai-style democracy" without any real declaration of what that means or, if they do, how it is potentially problematic in terms of the way it is set up

3. He is from the Frisian Islands? I personally saw his username to Fryslan, not Frisian, but maybe you do know something there that I don't. Either way, I think it is rather radical, violent and vulgar to antagonize someone 1) by making a joke about them....we are not teenagers, so why would it make sense or be considered not a cruel and insensitive gesture towards people sharing what seems to be a public community...in fact I consider this comment to be perhaps considered hate speech against the "margins"...not to place the Frisian Islands in the margins by choice but because they are insinuated as being a place that produces individuals that may as be from another planet their view is so "off" ? 2) by showing how inferior their country/region/administrative district is based on....what? the supremacy of the enlightened citizens of your country? and 3) by acting as if this person's ideas are so far from any fathomable thought structure in this world, even though you probably know about the protests in 2010...and seriously figure out what you mean by populism before you spout off about it or at least read about the activities during the Dem's during the 80's and then tell me what you mean by populist again and why Thaksin is so much worse or why Suthep is so much better......

I just don't get it....I'm not saying I'm that knowledgable on this, but it is pretty clear that both warring sides are invested in their own elite status, and that one party favors a certain two/three regions while the other does the same with the other regions...I know that's oversimplified..please, someone, make it more complicated, I don't understand how people seriously get a rise out of deriding the opinions of other individuals as if they were not human beings or have no right to speak based on their difference of perspective/opinion.....

I know you all think Thaksin sux......ok not all of you, but I'd say most, and rightfully so, you either hate him for Shincorp and the satellite thing, tax evasion, anti-chronyism in the name of higher your friends (who may have actually been more active than their formers but nevertheless seem to have been installed based on neo-chronyism with "qualificiations" used as legitmacy in some cases, or you hate him for the irresponsible drug war that he led (though, come on, lets be real here, many many Thais supported this "war") .....but someone please, without spending the first 95 per cent of your message writing about what a s***hole Thaksin is, please tell me, what is Suthep going to bring the country....answers I don't find acceptable without further explanation are:

1) because he will get rid of Thaksin.....Thaksin doesn't live in Thailand, and what makes you think Suthep in power will stop Thaksin's influence?

2) because he is for decentralization....how does that make sense...that would mean ELECTING local leaders, which would then mean a contradictory situation....country's leaders are royally appointed while those leaders at the state and smaller levels are elected....why do you really think that is less of an empty promise than the 30 baht program (once again, do not tell me about how shitty that was.......yes, doctors' quit public hospice centers to work in international hospitals with better pay ,so many of those covered under the program were no longer covered once diagnosed with chronic illness, due to lack of stuff....there were also some good sides but I am tired of people arguing FOR Suthep in NEGATIVES against Thaksin, so I am trying to make it clear what I am asking here as much as possible

3) because he is more morally righteous than any other leader.......what makes you think that? and "standing up for his rights" or "what he believes in" is not an option....it is simply to reduced....he has interests...he had them before 2013, so an explanation here is necessary as to why ANYONE should trust him as a leader......this is NOTTTTT the time of Naresuan, and Naresuan didn't really even understand the concepts of "kuu chat" that are applied to him today, so what is it that makes Suthep worth trusting (again, please, do not answer with, "he's better than Thaksin"

if we have to choose between a lesser of evils, and if my choice doesn't matter, then why even choose....but people continue to choose, and for that I believe they deserve at least some respect

If you think 500 Baht guarantees the vote for every Thaksin support, check the data out on that, it is mixed, as is that data regarding vote-buying practices of the Democrats

Both sides drive things far beyond their actual measure, and the fact that people who don't really have much of an idea about it or even those who do ( I do not know the knowledge level about this topic of those posters to which I am referring) find it necessary to degrade others in order to snicker with those who agree with them is just plain nasty.

Sorry, I wanted to be objective, but I was just so offended for the blatant disregard for courtesy towards other views (yea, I'm not being courtoeus to yours, because you don't seem to want to play on that field......bleh, fine)

I hope this is intelligible for those of you who like to play the card mentioned above about "I don't know what you mean (seriously,.c'mon I teach German I know what so-called Yoda speak is, and that, sir/madam, was no Yoda speak)"

I really don't want to pick fights, I want to argue, discuss, and expand on ideas, I hope that is clear to any who wishes to respond...if you just come back with insults, I won't respond, don't waste your times....insults imbedded in criticism aimed directlly at the content here, tho, is very much welcomed

Thank you for reading.

And do not mind the messy spelling or punctuation, I am in Germany and have German spell-check on so all words, or most, are marked as incorrect so I may have missed some typos

Have a good one Thaivisa

When asking for something in Thai, when a farang makes a mistake with a tone, why do most Thai's not realize what is being asked for in the context of the sentence and correct the farang's tone, or just work out what the farang wanted.

For example, sitting and eating at a table with only seafood and rice, farang says:

ผ่านฉันขเขา

by mistake, he meant to say:

ผ่านฉันข้าว

There were no 'animal horns' on the table, why can most Thai people not understand 'animal horns' and 'rice' sound similar, and there is rice on the table so that is what the farang would like to be passed.

Thanks

Please tell me this was a joke. The possible reason that a Thai person would be perplexed here regardless of whether they understood rice or horns is that the word ผ่าน makes NO sense in this context.....you could use เอาข้าวมาให้หน่อย (ได้ไหม)(ครับ) ขอข้าวหน่อย .....and several other things, but the word ผ่าน means to pass in terms of to pass by, or to pass a test....the meaning of pass here is more like ส่งให้

sorry, I haven't followed your posts up til now, so maybe you are being totally ironic, in which case, well done! if it was a serious inquiry, I would say the answer can be expressed in many ways:

1. they seriously do not know what you are trying to say: I read to the end of your post before I was actually sure what you meant with ผ่านฉันข้าว

the word ฉัน means to eat when referring to monks (ฉันเพล) and you are a man it seems, so you should be referring to yourself as ผม or possibly with your name or some other pronoun suitable to the situation ....... maybe they wanted to know what you were saying, but their imagination led them to: some monk has already eaten (not animal horns, though, they probably knew you meant rice, hell, in lao and isaan the two pronounciations are very similar, and in ancient Thai, the word was written as เข้า so yeah, most likely that wasn't the problem) .....a bit too extensive of an explanation, maybe, sorry

2. they are impatient, not necessarily rude at heart, but just don't feel like being bothered to deconstruct your phrasing

3. they don't really want to hear you butchering pronunciation, tones, word choice and grammar all at the same time........not defending people with this attitude, but nevertheless I'm sure some people must feel this way as with the first two as well

I feel like most of the time Thais can actually decipher what is being said if it is within a context.....and if the grammar/word usage is at least somewhat close

to test your theory, sit with a new group of people and say คอเขาน่อยครับ ...my money is on them all understanding you, and maybe, just maybe, someone will correct you on ONE of the mispronounced tones/vowel lengths (but where to begin? neck/horn/isaan(or lao) pronunc. of little?)

Hi

Many thanks for the detailed reply, it was a serious question, not a joke. The example I used with 'animal horn' v 'rice' was not the only time this has happened. Please appreciate I am in the learning stages of speaking and reading Thai.

The my question was more about many Thai people being perplexed when faced with a Thai word pronounced incorrectly. Another example would be if I want to go to the bus station, to farang ears bear can sound a little like bus

ไปที่สถานีรถแบก incorrect

ไปที่สถานีรถเมล์ correct

so many times I make a small (small to my farang ears anyway) mistake with the tone, and just get a totally blank look. When I go further to explain like say:

ไปที่สถานี รถ หลาย คน ใน (very clumsy thai like I am say to go to the station where there is big vehicle with many people inside)

They say 'oh รถเมล์ / รถbus'

I have a thai friend who always can put the word in the correct context, however he spent half his life in the UK and Ireland. I even have chatted to someone from Laos who could put things into context. I am not saying Thai people never can do this but it I do find this often, which is why I asked the question.

Of course I hope as my Thai improves my tones my pronunciation will improve too, however it is frustrating when I know the vocab, but I get a blank look when I got the tone a bit wrong. When it is the other way round I always put things into context.

Lucky I can get my pronunciation correct to say ฉันชอบกินกล้วย though 55555

Thanks

Hi, sorry, like I said I didn't know, I didn't mean to come off strong. I assumed since you were already typing/writing Thai you had a decent level of knowledge and was just trying to cover my bases as its tough to tell here. I'll be less snappy in future responses

I would like to ask these:

- How can they watch day by day Thai soap operas with out any actor, actress, story and conception?

- Why do use high so Chinese girls curtains as clothes?

- Why do they think it is so lovely when they make these idiot self-pictures by their phones with V fingers?

- If you invite a few people to your home why do they come 5 times more than expected?

- Why do they think if they don't talk about something this doesn't exist (human traffic by own family, children prost., etc, etc)

- Have they plan or not to learn drive?

- Why do they carry kids in motorbikes with out helmet, and if something terrible is happened they talk about bad luck instead of their own idiocy?

- How long would they keep and stuff the high corrupted police, politician ans state officers?

- And who are you and why do you make joke with us here ???

If I would get answer to these questions it would be help a lot.

1) ask the creators of jersey shore, twilight and 50 shades of grey

2) i have no idea what you're talking about

3) ask the people who plank. Or your own daughter. Or go on facebook sometime. What an idiotic question

4) really? My thai friends keep flaking...

5) why do argentinians keep thinking that the falklands are theirs, or that they're white?

6) have you "plan or not" to learn english properly?

7) just laziness I suppose. And if you havent noticed, its hot as hell. The police are actively trying to fine people without helmets on. For their tea money obviously. But trying to uphold the law nonetheless! This is perhaps the only question you've asked which doesnt sound like its coming from a 5 year old.

8) do you not notice that there is a massive protest outside trying to addreas this? Maybe if you left your basement computer once in a while...

9) i grew up im thailand but now i work in canary wharf earning in a year what you make in a lifetime.

Dear small pitbull,

1. twilight and 50 shades of grey .... what are these ????

2. if you have not any idea, means you do it also

3.plank and self picture with V fingers are all the same, I have not daughter and my dog never does it. why should I visit facebook, those is your level

4. good for you, all your friends (all the 2) keep it, that's great

5. silly girl, those islands name is Las Malvinas and belong to Arg. White?

6. yes I have this plan, and what about you?

7. laziness? are you kidding, right? the police try to find any motorcyclist for any mistake cause this is money for mia noi, the helmet is an excellent reason.

8. here we have a new yellow activist. coming soon you and your activist friends will protest for every BKK chinese need double votes cause they are higher valued, if owns mercedes 5 votes, if owns factory 10 votes, if speaks isaan 0.25 vote. this is your team's democracy effort, and the world laughs for benito suthep.

9. canaries ? my god, these were a most sht place which I have visited in my life. I "had" luck for all of them, and I hope you work in grand canaria, this is the lowest. I advise you go also costa brava, rimini riccione, cote d'zur or disneyland.

I'm happy you earn in a year what I make in lifetime what kind of big face as usually.

your English and your attitude are atrocious

as for "small pitbull"'s English, aside from typos, I would say it's flawless and pretty clearly from either a native speaker of English or someone who has learned English to a very high level....

The repetitive use of the word "rescued" in the article makes it seem even more dubious that it was to begin with

yes if you are reading this and plan on coming to Thailand for any reason please cancel your trip.

it is far too dangerous here.

Well then, we thank you for your sacrifice, as you seem to still be there in the dangerous place you refer to as here.

Khunpa states......However, what I have also noticed (also on this forum), is that many expats and foreigners connected to Thailand simply say... "This is the Thai way, just live with it...". And in many situations, that is also the best way to handle a situation here. BUT sometimes, I also see situations where it in my opinion is used completely wrong. Like e.g. the latest tread with the horrible haircut of the young boy at school. Some people say... "This is Thailand, just accept it" and others warn about trouble, if e.g. the OP goes to the police.

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I think you missed the train on this one....you seem to contradict yourself in saying how well traveled you are and how adaptable you are...Apparently your NOT......and then you state the above!

The situation you speak of (boy getting haircut by school director) is not something specific to Thailand (so your analysis "this is Thailand just accept it" is WRONG!

If you thought with your brains rather than your nether regions you'd realize that "discipline" is something the schools, governments, companies etc. need to promote. Without discipline we have ANARCHY (but maybe that's something your promoting....I'm not).......

The director apparently had problems with the boy in the past ....(farther states he would get notice from the school THEN give the boy a haircut) .....well I think the father is the problem by not staying on top to the boys hair style.....and you're encouraging his diliquent behavior by blaming the school director...

All this Politcal Correctness.....must be the youth of today....brought up as mambi pambi's....and coddled.....get over it!....

Are you serious? I think you "missed the train"......the person commenting here was referring to a group of people (if I understand correctly, westerners, not thais) who like to use the "yeah, c'mon, it's Thailand, that's the way things are" to explain everything, taking an even more complacent attitude than many Thais. However, it seems you are one of those people....you fail to see that not everyone sees "hair style" to be tied to "delinquency"...and the second he says he doesn't agree, you come in saying he must want ANARCHY.....what?

anyway, my main point is, your statement: "your analysis is wrong" is seriously off base.....the poster did not say "this is thailand, just accept it" nor did they say "this only happens in thailand".....the point was not made whether other countries have these practices or not....the point was the use of the simple explanation "this is thailand, get over it" to explain any kind of issue in Thailand, which totally deflects an opportunity to engage in an exchange of opinion. At least you are expressing your opinion, but you are kind of attacking from a point that seems to have no traction as the poster didn't say what you implied.

Yes....I am expressing my opinion....and the point you miss is that Khunpa refers to another thread (kid who's school director gives him a buzz cut)....and he is outraged at those TV poster's who believe that a more concilatory attitude be taken (TIT attitude) vs the Testosterone, "kick some ass" attitude of other TV posters....

The father in the case in question has had previous problems and notifications of hair violations to which he always waited too long to get the hair cut....Soooo the school took the iniatiative to do it themselves.....and therein lies the crux of the question.....Was the school director out of line or not....My personal feeling ...NOT....discipline was needed and discipline was given....Problem solved!

You on the other hand have decided (without knowing all the facts) to attack my position....fine....but get your facts straight before you do....Always best to know of what you speak....don't you think

After reading your argument I began to wonder whether I really didn't understand the issue. So I reread the topic you mentioned and think I still stand in the same place. Regardless of what you think about the hair issue (I personally think that you can let kids hair be whatever length you want, discipline in Thai schools seems quite lacking in terms of having them actually listen to what their teachers are saying in many schools and this certain point of discipline will lead neither towards nor away from ANARCHY.....

I just don't like how you equate things so simply.....if they didn't take discipline into their own hands, then we'd have a complacent attitude which would therefore lead to anarchy....

And I do think it's best to know what you are talking about....sorry, I should have been more clear that I was aware of the issue at hand

So I still don't think you are attacking what the poster implied, nor do I think you responded to my criticism regarding the matter. You didn't address the "just deal with it, this is Thailand" comment, nor did you deal with.

You pointed out that I may not have known enough about the initial issue. But you didn't really respond to what I said.

Wake up lads. Politicians everywhere in the world are all corrupt, why do you think they work for peanuts? Taksin was clamping down on corruption and you can't do that, which is why they ousted him.

They have stable government in the west because the media fools enough of us, here the media isn't that influential, so they play ring-a-ring-a-roses instead.

This is helping make sterling stronger anyway....and those multinationals left will hasten their departure to cheaper countries.

Buying votes is a great idea, cuts down on hypocrisy.

This is a very jaded, cynical and simplistic perception.

To say that every politician in the world is corrupt just totally discredited your post from the very first sentence, the rest of it is just fairytale rubbish from a twisted mind that resides firmly in la-la land.

My 9 year old son can come up with a more realistic and substantiated political post than this.

But of course it is a pure troll post...... not very mature or clever.

Would you explain to me how: "politicians everywhere in the world" (which does not specify that every politician is corrupt, just that everywhere has corrupt politicians), led you to "every politician in the world is corrupt

Using your son as ammunition is disgraceful. Bet, since you did it, he might be quite capable of understanding the jump in logic that you make in interpreting the protest.

What are you even arguing with here? You didn't touch the comment on vote-buying, which I think would be most controversial here and you also ignored the statement about the media. You used your own twisting of the words I cited above in my post to dismiss the argument and call the poster a troll.

Yes, sir, you, my friend, are indeed, and I mean this with absolutely NO sarcasm whatsoever, very mature and, moreover, extremely clever. Your son should be proud (see, this is why you shouldn't use your kid to dish out insults...hopefully you don't actually have one and you just used it to enhance the strength of your extremely well thought-out logic based on your nuanced reading of the poster.

I bet you think I agree with everything the poster said. I don't, I am just sick of people thinking they can label people who offer radical versions of thought as trolls....especially when they spin peoples word who are WRITTEN in print above

Go back to the post you are supporting apparently and read it very carefully... " Politicians everywhere in the world are all corrupt"... (my emphasis, to help you see your blunder). TT did not make any such interpretation, he used the very words of AllanB's post to which he replied.

especially when they spin peoples word who are WRITTEN in print above Ooooops!!!

No doubt your apology to TT will be in the post.....

lol, my mistake indeed....I still stand by most of it though...trolling is a very overused term which to me says, you are stupid, because I don't agree with you, therefore you are a troll.....but still, yeah, no, very stupid on my part..no excuse for it

Khunpa states......However, what I have also noticed (also on this forum), is that many expats and foreigners connected to Thailand simply say... "This is the Thai way, just live with it...". And in many situations, that is also the best way to handle a situation here. BUT sometimes, I also see situations where it in my opinion is used completely wrong. Like e.g. the latest tread with the horrible haircut of the young boy at school. Some people say... "This is Thailand, just accept it" and others warn about trouble, if e.g. the OP goes to the police.

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I think you missed the train on this one....you seem to contradict yourself in saying how well traveled you are and how adaptable you are...Apparently your NOT......and then you state the above!

The situation you speak of (boy getting haircut by school director) is not something specific to Thailand (so your analysis "this is Thailand just accept it" is WRONG!

If you thought with your brains rather than your nether regions you'd realize that "discipline" is something the schools, governments, companies etc. need to promote. Without discipline we have ANARCHY (but maybe that's something your promoting....I'm not).......

The director apparently had problems with the boy in the past ....(farther states he would get notice from the school THEN give the boy a haircut) .....well I think the father is the problem by not staying on top to the boys hair style.....and you're encouraging his diliquent behavior by blaming the school director...

All this Politcal Correctness.....must be the youth of today....brought up as mambi pambi's....and coddled.....get over it!....

Are you serious? I think you "missed the train"......the person commenting here was referring to a group of people (if I understand correctly, westerners, not thais) who like to use the "yeah, c'mon, it's Thailand, that's the way things are" to explain everything, taking an even more complacent attitude than many Thais. However, it seems you are one of those people....you fail to see that not everyone sees "hair style" to be tied to "delinquency"...and the second he says he doesn't agree, you come in saying he must want ANARCHY.....what?

anyway, my main point is, your statement: "your analysis is wrong" is seriously off base.....the poster did not say "this is thailand, just accept it" nor did they say "this only happens in thailand".....the point was not made whether other countries have these practices or not....the point was the use of the simple explanation "this is thailand, get over it" to explain any kind of issue in Thailand, which totally deflects an opportunity to engage in an exchange of opinion. At least you are expressing your opinion, but you are kind of attacking from a point that seems to have no traction as the poster didn't say what you implied.

Wake up lads. Politicians everywhere in the world are all corrupt, why do you think they work for peanuts? Taksin was clamping down on corruption and you can't do that, which is why they ousted him.

They have stable government in the west because the media fools enough of us, here the media isn't that influential, so they play ring-a-ring-a-roses instead.

This is helping make sterling stronger anyway....and those multinationals left will hasten their departure to cheaper countries.

Buying votes is a great idea, cuts down on hypocrisy.

This is a very jaded, cynical and simplistic perception.

To say that every politician in the world is corrupt just totally discredited your post from the very first sentence, the rest of it is just fairytale rubbish from a twisted mind that resides firmly in la-la land.

My 9 year old son can come up with a more realistic and substantiated political post than this.

But of course it is a pure troll post...... not very mature or clever.

Would you explain to me how: "politicians everywhere in the world" (which does not specify that every politician is corrupt, just that everywhere has corrupt politicians), led you to "every politician in the world is corrupt

Using your son as ammunition is disgraceful. Bet, since you did it, he might be quite capable of understanding the jump in logic that you make in interpreting the protest.

What are you even arguing with here? You didn't touch the comment on vote-buying, which I think would be most controversial here and you also ignored the statement about the media. You used your own twisting of the words I cited above in my post to dismiss the argument and call the poster a troll.

Yes, sir, you, my friend, are indeed, and I mean this with absolutely NO sarcasm whatsoever, very mature and, moreover, extremely clever. Your son should be proud (see, this is why you shouldn't use your kid to dish out insults...hopefully you don't actually have one and you just used it to enhance the strength of your extremely well thought-out logic based on your nuanced reading of the poster.

I bet you think I agree with everything the poster said. I don't, I am just sick of people thinking they can label people who offer radical versions of thought as trolls....especially when they spin peoples word who are WRITTEN in print above

For a country who puts so much credence in what so called 'academics' say, they sure cannot half talk some crap. In most countries other than the ones at prestigious universities, 'academics' are generally thought of as people who could not cut the mustard it in the private sector, and went for the easy option.

In Thailand they literally have thousands of these academics who people actually seemingly listen to. I am not sure an academic from the Thai education system is much to right home about, although having said that, i suppose the majority of politicians attempted to come through the same Thai education system as well.

Yes, you obviously were able to cut it, since you know how to right the write way ;P

What are you even talking about? Do you want to say that all academics are dumb? Then why criticize just Thai academics?

And what makes you think that the "country...puts so much credence in what so called academics say"? How much time have you spent reading about reactions to 1. thais in thai 2. foreigners who have written in engilsh in thai? IF you have done much at all, you know "listening to academics" works just like everything else: if the academics say what we want to here, then we will laude it to its extreme, if it counters that, well, they must be a slave to whatever side we are against...

Thanks for the story. If you look harder, you will find many more stories like yours. Business as usual.

Two Thai men on motorbike driving at speed how unusual !!!!....

ASIAN....quit jumping the gun!

I do consider my country being civilized though I have to think about whether I would call the USA civilized because sometimes I have mydoubts e.g. in several states you still have death penalty which in my opinion is not civilized, to me it is barbaric....I feel that is something Europe did overcome ages ago....it is a question of humanity...and looking at all the morons in the US going on about Jesus, Christianty and so on...get real...just only a few thoughts into the round...you know....

I not expect people that think death penalty is the right punishment understand the principle of humantiy and being civilized...actually to understand a bit about Buddhismn that will teach you (I mean the real one)....

Another cheap cop-out. Europe just swaps out the death penalty for life imprisonment, which is the SAME thing, it's still killing their life. One just has the mercy to put them out of their misery faster. By the way, people who are imprisoned for life have very high rates of suicide, so giving them that verdict often results in them killing themselves. Basically you're just too cowardly to pull the trigger yourself, so you just want to hide them away from society for the rest of their lives despite that costing millions of euros to do, whereas a bullet is not even a euro.

Life without possibility of parole is the same thing as the death penalty. You have taken away their life, you just put them in a box, feed them, and wait for them to die. Many studies have shown a quick and efficient death penalty is the greatest deterrent to crime. Executions often save lives by deterring crime.

And really, if you don't believe in God, then you should believe in evolution, which teaches that the best way to remove unwanted traits from a species is to eliminate those who have them.

You were just criticizing Hitler, the atheist who basically used Darwinism as his excuse to sterilize the mentally infirm, and euthanize the elderly, etc. The value system you speak of when you say "humanity and being civilized" comes from the Judeo-Christian society you live in.

Atheism has so far only given birth to Communism, Social Darwinism (which led to Nazism), and other horrors which are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of millions.

Atheism gave birth to Communism? Gee, and I thought it had something to do with the struggles of farmers and other laborers against the massive structural changes in society thanks to modern technology that were/are interpreted to be evidence of an ever-increasing gap between those who own and control production and those who produce under the exploitative conditions which allow the owners to profit from the excess between what the workers are paid for their labor and what the product of that labor is sold for. Here I come to find out that it was just a bunch of atheists trying to live the dream!

I am happy to come from a civillized country and I am happy that in my country people are put jail once the are convicted a crime. This article does not really implement a 'crime' apart from maybe having been a false police man and he having some porn on his computer or similar and even that unclear. So why again someone here probably claiming that he may come from a civillized country want to put someone in jail first, why want the guy in question to be treated in uncivillized way? Maybe some people here lived to long in some strange environment....Do not get me wrong...I am not supporting people that do molest children...but again be appropriate...peadophile people I consider sick and they need treatment...unfortunately it not take a lot of effort form them in some parts of Thailand to be successful.

"...happy to come from a civilized country..."???

I sometimes really wonder what a civilized country is. Germany that produced probably the greatest mass murderer of all time...oh sorry, Austria produced him...Germany only elected him. England and it's "Empire where the sun never sets" and ruled over and subjugated millions for decades and more. France which invented a humane way to kill its own people (i.e., the guillotine). Russia which produced the only rival to Germany's claim to having the greatest mass murderer in history. Spain which endured one of the bloodiest civil wars of he last century. The list goes on. Yeah, we all come from "a civilized country". That includes myself...coming from the USA where we basically slaughtered and subjugated Native Americans to make room for the nation's expansion, among other "civilized" things, both past and present. Anyway, I'm not passing judgement on anyone....just food for thought.

Back on topic, child molesters have to be the lowest of lowest in any "civilized" society and if that what's this guy was up to, hopefully he'll get a long prison sentence in a THAI jail.

Seems there is a bit of a rush to judgement here, quite ironic since I just came from a thread where one of the guy, as is typical of many here, is an over 50 who is dating 18-20 year olds.

Besides, was he a volunteer police whose license expired? That could be called a "fake license". Or maybe he just bought a souvenir because he thought it's cool. Maybe he just uses it and handcuffs for roleplay. The story didn't mention him using it to extort money or do illegal things with it. Why did the father only report him once he got concerned it was interfering with his daughter's studies?

The guy is in his twenties, and it's worth noting the age of consent is 15, if he was some sort of methodical hunter of young girls he'd stick to 15 year olds so I find the charges levelled here to be inaccurate. Or if he waited a few months his relationship would been legal. The girl was apparently voluntarily with him and the guy was not with other girls (since it didn't list other victims). How about some condemnation for all the fifty or sixty year old geezers in Thailand paying 18 year olds (a fourth their age!) for sex they don't want.

I think a lot of humans like to puff up their own morality on news like this yet fail to see their own failings. Probably someone on this very thread is 30-60 yrs old and watches pornography with the youngest possible models (18-19), or which uses phrases like "young", "teen", "school girls", etc. Were the law for pornography 16, probably most of you on this thread would be indulging in that. 15 much the same. Perhaps even 14.

I can't see why old geezers who indulge in the exploitation of 18 year old teenage girls, think they have some right to criticize a guy half their age who was from what the article seems to say, having a consensual monogamous relationship and apparently had met the father previously. He was basically thrown in jail for interfering with the girl's studies...

In my book an ugly old 50 year old who pays for 18 year olds to have sex is worse than an attractive twenty something having a consensual relationship with a teen who was barely under age.

Found your comment very much in line with what I think until the last line. What in the world do "ugly" and "attractive" have to do with anything? It makes me think that you are maybe a little bit biased against the old geezers you speak of. And you act like no girl in Thailand has ever slept with an "old geezer" because they wanted to....define "want." Plenty of women want the money bad enough to go through with it, they are not forced. At the same time, plenty of girls say no to these kind of approaches. The girls aren't all innocent, the old geeezers aren't all guilty, and this guy mentioned in the OP, well, I wouldn't pass judgement on him based on a couple of reactionary news articles. Hence, like I said, I agree with most of you say, but I feel like a lot of your reasoning is being filtered through your "I hate the old white fat farang who is sullying the western image in Thailand." Hey, I am biased, too, I'm 25 and work as a Thai translator and interpreter and get really sick of the questions: you must have a Thai girlfriend, why do farangs like sex so much, why do farangs have sex with little kids, blah blah blah...but that doesn't mean someone attractive and closer to my own age is somehow automatically problematic than the ugly old farts.

Thais are some of the least rude people... <deleted>? I guess that doesnt include the short-tempers, road rage, line cutting, and murdering americans for singing too much eh?

Amen, this OP was definitely written from abroad, where it is not possible to see the effects of having doors let close in your face or experience the rudeness of Thais on golf courses and practice tees.

The post was about international tourists....I swear sometimes people just use this as a place to straight up bash Thailand...I'm not saying I don't agree with some of it, but you are not "referring to the OP" obviously, because the OP is about, for the most part, rich, "civilized" Thais, who understand how to be extremely deferential when being a tourist. This does not count Thais who have immigrated to a certain country, nor does it count Thais living in Thailand. Learn to read....people on here complaining about Thais having all this pent-up emotion...you sure it is just the Thais? Seems like all it took was a little tourism poll to get everyone to blow up about how rude Thais are.

The nose-picking thing is a funny little quirk, but try and catch a Thai tourist in Europe picking their nose.

After 30 years in hotel industry, the worst guests for me are, in no particular order: Israelis, Russians, Chinese, Koreans, Indians.

The best: Australians, Japanese, Thai, Americans (obnoxious at times but not rude), Kiwis.

Agreed, also after 35 yrs. in the industry. Would however add the Germans, who expect everything for free and already at check-in tell you how to run your business. O.c. not all of them, but many....MS>

I don't know that Germans expect everything to be free (you have to pay for everything in Germany). It's more a matter of "I bought my Pauschal, now tell me why everything isn't included in it"

Means they started to rape the girl when she was 11 years old

five year’s of sexual abuse against 14-year-old

You obvious have learnt maths in a Thai school.

Says the person striking against adverbs.

More monkey business.

Suddenly Buddhist monks seem to have adopted the habits of some of the Christian priests. Makes one wonder just how many more there are out there hiding under the saffron robes.

Good to see minister Paveena on hand. I hope the girls are OK and being looked after properly.

The 14 year old went out to buy alcohol? I hope it was not between 2pm and 5pm?

Suddenly? Really? Way to act like "the Asians wanna be like the Westerners so bad, they even commit the same crimes." What a shame, the pure, pious east is falling into the same traps of debauchery as Western spiritualistic practice has been for decades.

Read some history. This stuff isn't as unheard of as you might think, just in the past it's been more or less swept under the table (just like it used to be with the Catholic priests you speak of (if you are not Catholic, then you are not a priest, there are, for example. no Methodist priests)

From all the information that I can find, Thailand's tourist income would greatly increase if the country made marriage possible for all people. The first country in Asia, New

Zealand to legalized all marriages, is set to see an amazing influx of dollars. With this single move, Thailand would see a much increased tourist revenue if they did not make the regulations too difficult. It would be a good economic move!

Well done, you correctly reminded everyone what social issues are really about: how can we increase our image as free and liberal nation so that more people come buy our stuff and visit our country?

I'm dead serious, you are right about it being a good economic move, and I am not so naive to play the: but it's the humane and right and just blah blah thing to do...because it's not like most countries, let alone Thailand, make decisions based on "the humane thing to do". Years of protest, some of them violent, need to occur, every single time a new social issue is brought to the state's attention. Don't think the state does it cause they are "good volk", they do it to avoid public turmoil. As long as Thailand says that legalizing such a marriage would be a threat to national stability, well....you all can figure out the rest.

They mention the word "Foreigner" and everyone gets defensive. Would we feel the same way if they had just said "non Thai"?

An interesting point. I think another thing to notice, if you (generic you implied here and throughout the text) look at Thairat or Khaosot (in Thai), you will notice that Thailand does not want this to become an international issue (when I say Thailand I mean the current government and those serving under it, as well as many Thais who don´t want foreign intervention). While the title may seem inciteful, I think we are reading into this too much when we say things like: "way to shift the blame". If this really is an Al Qaeda thing, it means the US and all the other anti-terrorist groups will come in to SAVE THE DAY and Thailand will suffer whatever consequences that means. And even from the side of some yellow shirts, foreign involvement is bad, because it basically just solidifies international support for Yingluck for being able to deal with terrorism effectively. The only thing the yellows can hope is that she totally drops the ball. Just read the Thai, I promise, your perspective on the issue will not sound as much like "I am an expat with an outside view on internal relations, I know everything." I feel like, from what I have read, that everything saying "they just wanna blame foreigners" is actually the opposite of whats getting done. If Thais are not responsible, then this is not exclusively under Thai jurisdiction, it becomes international, and Thailand becomes aid dependent, and we know that that was not part of Thaksin´s and is not part of Yingluck´s active plan. Just think about it.

If anyone ever asked for a good reason for colonialism in the 21st century, Thailand would be a great example.

Already colonized by "ineptitude"

Thailand has been colonized in a cryptic fashion (cryptocolonialism) by its own people many times:

Sangha acts demanding uniform religious practice, expedited by uniform language

Forbidding of many "non-rational, non-Buddhist" practices

Creation of the Isaan province in order to fight communism (here the US worked with Thai elite members to create roads but only to serve their own purposes)

I could continue...but I won't.

Acting out crimes is necessary: police

Hang on, I thought acting out crimes should be avoided, so that there would be no need to re-enact them afterwards.

Also who says that crime reenactment needs to be done with the media present?

They already told you!!! So that Thais can learn what is bad behavior! If someone gets killed and then you are told about it, you might not know that the killing is wrong....but if you see it, then somehow YOU WILL KNOW this is wrong.....get it?

For many wealthy politicians and officials now, corruption boils down to simple greed and never knowing how much is enough.

Well Thailand, there's a simple answer . . . stop voting for them.

oh, so you mean, stop voting? so that those who want power can just duke it out among themselves....you basically just supported going to back to the way thailand was in the 80s....oh right, that's when things were peaceful right? nothing in the 80s happened to lead to pruetsapa tamin or anything, nope

Too bad we never read anything about these top wealthy Thais and their charitable foundations and giving back to their communities. The one notice in this newspaper several months ago cited piddling amounts by the top ten Thais on the global list.

Most of the wealthy Thais are quite altruistic but never draw attention to their philanthropy. Would you prefer that they hold a press conference to announce their next donation? You really should try better to hide your envy and jealousy of Thai folks who are better off than you.

That's why they so subtlety stand behind gigantic cheques and make sure their name is on the envelope, or go on TV to discuss how big the sin sot was. Ever noticed all the name plates all over temples about who built what? Or make the common man scrape around when companies donate pittances for disaster relief.

Never draw attention? Most actively court it.

I don't know if "most" is fair (unless you have done serious research on the topic, then let me see some sources, please)....obviously if you are basing your statements on what you have seen....then there is not going to be anyone who is doing it without requesting recognition.....

The difference is, Thai media makes little if not no attempt (from that which I have seen) to dig up stories about altruistic donations about which media coverage was not additionally sought. It seems they are often much to busy covering the "altruists" who want their named engraved in gold and zoomed in upon.