Dag Ekeberg

About time.

What about banning all parking along 2nd Road between the school and the bottom of Pratumnak hill, especially near the VC Hotel where every day there is a colossal tail-back of traffic caused solely by the fact that parking uses up 2 of the 4 available lanes thus ensuring that any bahtbus or coach stopping there can block all traffic for the duration.

Perhaps the hardware store opposite VC that burned down last week will relocate. Double-parked pickups don’t do much for traffic flow either…

Would you rather they had no 7/11s like Cambodia and Laod? That sound never even raised an eyebrow and if someone did a survey on most unlikely threads on thaivisa this very thread might come in #1

Thats rather extreme to make such proposal of NO 7-11 to the elimination of a dingdong doorbell. Thats like eliminating all automobiles because of some useless/senseless modification that has NOTHING to do with the benefit that the automobile provides and serves billions of people around the globe as does 7-11's... the dingdong does not EXCEPT those located on very rural roads or in towns where there may be a few customers every hour and 1 employee. Someone needs to write to 7-11 corporation to find out what the policy is which makes this doorbell a requirement in stores and the function it serves. In the USA its SOUTHLAND CORPORATION but here in Thailand I have no clue. However, I will contact a friend of mine right this moment who was a manager of a 7-11 for over a decade and see if he can offer some inside knowledge even though this nuisance hasn't been in any 7-11's Ive been in in the USA.

Nope. It's a financial transition. One in which they rarely, if ever, lose money.

They give you an envelope, and you put money in it.

But, yes, there is face. You have to put your name on the envelope.

I refuse to go with the GF, except one time accidentally got roped into one walking down the street. The widow was young, with three really cute, well-behaved kids, all under six. I asked for the envelope.

All the ones I have been to have lost money, of course people here rarely tell the truth about such matters, face again, so who really knows

How you know that?? You ask what's the bottom line or...??

Not a money maker. People mortgage their rice fields for this. Or, as usually happens, it’s already mortgaged, in which case they borrow on the black market at five percent interest (per month, that is).

Did we ever find out what the important project was ?

totster

YeaBig dude U an Deg " " should meet up for beers, outside a 7 & to compare notes and plan strategy, the rest of us seem to be content with the fact that our local convenient is finally full stock of chang And Cuz a u guys, from now on the bell will not say DING DONG it will say TING TONG.

Seems very important to some people to point out how unimportant this topic is… Makes me think hearing loss is rampant here. Perhaps it's a natural selection. People with perfect hearing come to Thailand, then decide to settle elsewhere...

OP clearly not invited.

A symptom of not integrating with the community that they live within, a sad situation to be in: An outsider for the last years of your life, the irony being that the same villagers will attend your funeral, but be celebrating your departure and not celebrating your life and it's contribution to theirs.

You should be more involved - your life will be better for it !

Keep the snide remarks coming

Well Dag it would seem that only you and two other people have a problem with

the 7/11 bell, that tell you anything??

That bell is a ridiculous nuisance and serves no purpose in most 7-11's. The intention of it was to alert employees of a customer coming in/out if they were in the backroom actually doing work or hiding. But they do that in plain site by sitting down on a crate behind the register on their mobile.

For those of you who have NO problem with it or don't even notice it then it makes me wonder what type of home environment you come from. Many of us here are retired and like peace and only acceptable noises with a purpose (police/ambulance sirens, sky train going by)

I think we're at a point in history now when older people actually have much better hearing than young people.

Try search the net for the “MP3 Generation” and “Hearing Loss.”

I suspect for "Dag" it aint really about the bell, seriously who spends enough time at 7s for it to be an issue? I thin ol' "Dag is looking to get attention for some reason, maybe hoping the FB petition goes viral and then picked up by some news organization for it's "stupid news moment"..... then presto, Dag gets his 15 min. of fame..... YeaBiGgiEs you really go crazy and disconnect the bell? Fun.

Strange that you should put my name in quotes. Other than that, you make perfect sense.

Because of the short syllabes, I think that thai language is very good ( as english ) for rhythmic music: I love to listen thai songs and I think Thai musicians are very good , I think it comes from their singing language

When I started learning Thai, I wondered how they could write lyrics at all, when the tone of a word had to match the tone in the music. Turns out they don’t, they cheat… Much great music, though, agreed.

Keep the snide remarks coming

Well Dag it would seem that only you and two other people have a problem with

the 7/11 bell, that tell you anything??

It tells me that Thaivisa members don’t use Facebook.

Prove me wrong.

Again, that link: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=646847505355434&set=a.646847488688769.1073741827.455465341160319&type=1&theater

While that works for most monosyllables, it significantly breaks down for longer words. I presume you are aware of the irregularities and oddities of such common and simple words as น้ำ, เพชร, ทราบ, ทรมาน, เล่น and ตำรวจ and of the normal pronunciation of grammatical words such as ผม, เขา and ไหม.

You are right about เขา and ไหม. Your other examples follow the rules of the language, as least as Ive learned them.

น้ำ, as an independent word, is pronounced น้าม.

เพชร is pronounced เพ็ด. I'm not sure how one should work out that it is not pronounced เพ-ชอน.

ทราบ is pronounced ซาบ, which you could claim as regular. However, ทรมาน is pronounced ทอ-ระ-มาน, with the first vowel short through lack of stress, not ซะ-มาน.

เล่น has a short vowel; Thai orthography has no way to show whether the vowel is short or long. The long vowel does occur with mai ek in closed live syllables, but unfortunately I don't remember an example.

ตำรวจ is pronounced ตำ-หรวจ, not ตำ-รวจ.

Those spellings don't work for all the dialects of Thailand. The merger of the tones of low consonants with mai ek and of high consonants with mai tho has not happened throughout Thailand. The spelling of these words in Northern Thai (in the Lanna script) and in Lao are โส้ เถ้า ข้า and have different tones to those implied by โซ่ เฒ่า ฆ่า (in Lanna script) or โซ่ เท่า ค่า (in Lao). The standard pronunciation of Siam has retained the merger of the two tones, so Thai doesn't have confusing spellings like English busy (spelling follows Southern England/West Midlands pronunciation, but with East Midlands pronunciation) and bury (spelling follows Southern England/West Midlands pronunciation, but with Kentish pronunciation).

ทร is a prefix (ทอ-ระ) in a number of words, but also a specific rule, in that it’s pronounced ซ when followed by a vowel.

When I hear ผม, it’s pronounced with a rising tone, as it’s written.

There are a few exceptions, you’re right, but a very manageable number to learn. Not like the mess of pronouncing English vowels…

If I were you, I wouldn't include regional dialects in this discussion. That’s what make them dialects, for a large part, the difference in tones…

Keep the snide remarks coming

Punctuation, spaces between words, upper and lower case, capitalization of the first word of a sentence only appeared in European languages during the Middle Ages. The Latin of the Romans didn't use any of these devices to enhance readability. By that time written language was at least two thousand years old in the West. Written Thai is less than a thousand years old at this point. At one time lines of ancient Greek were written "as the ox plows," that is, first line from left to right followed by the second line from right to left, then left to right again, etc.

So, readability evolves.

What about when reading Thai, what effect does the absence of commas have?

Once my GF was reading English, I pointed out to her how the placement, absence, or inclusion of commas could make a huge difference. She understood what I was saying, but can't really form a comparison.

Civilization is moving back towards the readability of the Romans, thanks to Apple.

Anyway, the brain is easily trained. Once you’ve read a bit Thai, the lack of spaces is not an issue. Youcanstillreadthisright?

Thai is actually possible to learn properly because the words are pronounced the way they are written.

While that works for most monosyllables, it significantly breaks down for longer words. I presume you are aware of the irregularities and oddities of such common and simple words as น้ำ, เพชร, ทราบ, ทรมาน, เล่น and ตำรวจ and of the normal pronunciation of grammatical words such as ผม, เขา and ไหม.

The word “Logical” is not the most common term used to describe the Thais, but for some reason they’ve ended up with a wonderfully logical written script. Weird or what?

It may help that there has been no regional balance. Otherwise etymologically incorrect spellings like โซ่ เฒ่า ฆ่า could cause problems. They should all be written with high consonants and mai tho, and there are many more examples. Because the dialect of people who made these spelling mistakes has prevailed, these spellings cause no reading problems for standard Thai.

Compared to English, it probably helps that Thai has plenty of vowel symbols.

You are right about เขา and ไหม. Your other examples follow the rules of the language, as least as I’ve learned them.

I’m not getting your issue with โซ่ เฒ่า ฆ่า . Looks right to me.

Would you rather they had no 7/11s like Cambodia and Laod? That sound never even raised an eyebrow and if someone did a survey on most unlikely threads on thaivisa this very thread might come in #1

แก : Is it the same colloquial word for "he, she, her ... " ? My girlfriend uses it often on phone with her friends when she speaks of me ( is it unpolite ? )

old is " แก่ "

แก and แก่ are to different words. It's not an ageism...

Got the same in every Philippine 7/11..does it bother me..?..does it <deleted>!! However you do need to get our more and lay off the Jamaican wood ones ...and as they say in the LOS "you think tooooooo much" so pull yourself together and get a grip and stop asking nonsense questions

Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Thailand mobile app

Okay, time to reveal the truth to you people with the snarky comments: You have impaired hearing (yes, most people do these last few decades). And it will only get worse, so good luck.

My friend opened a 7-11 franchise store and wanted the bell removed but was told from up on high its a requirement.

I like it when you walk out and the doorbell goes and the customer services technician without looking up says "Sawatdee ka chern ka" thinking a new customer is coming. I bet they even say it when they walk into another store and hear the bell even if they are off duty.

Okay, now we’re getting somewhere. Perhaps there’s somebody high up profiting wildly off of these substandard doorbells. I just went to have a look at one (while it was going off continuously since I was within a ten-feet radius of the door). I always thought it was a Sony product. It turns out to be a “Sunny”.

Mate i am sorry, but you really need a hobby, unless checking out 7-11 door bells is your hobby

I’m sorry this topic bothers you so much. Have you thought about unsubscribing?

My friend opened a 7-11 franchise store and wanted the bell removed but was told from up on high its a requirement.

I like it when you walk out and the doorbell goes and the customer services technician without looking up says "Sawatdee ka chern ka" thinking a new customer is coming. I bet they even say it when they walk into another store and hear the bell even if they are off duty.

Okay, now we’re getting somewhere. Perhaps there’s somebody high up profiting wildly off of these substandard doorbells. I just went to have a look at one (while it was going off continuously since I was within a ten-feet radius of the door). I always thought it was a Sony product. It turns out to be a “Sunny”.

haha good topic, actually let's expand it.. Top 10 annoying sounds you hear in Thailand

#2 - Big C Loudspeaker sales people - The girls that sell juice, fruits or whatever. They are amazingly annoying

So, is it only in Thailand? And if so, why? There are always plenty of kids in green shirts milling about the counter, no way they’re going to miss a new customer.

I suspect the next post will be a praise of the new bahtbus air horns. The more noise the better.

Dag if all you can find to complain about in Thailand is the 7/11 customer alert dingdong sound, maybe you should

take long break on a quet island somewhere and relax mate. width=25 alt=thumbsup.gif> width=32 alt=coffee1.gif>

Thank you, Phuket’s pride and joy. Now, people, please be forthcoming with information, this is for a project, it’s important.

Important for what?? you taking over the 7-11 outfit?? or just too much free time on your hands ??

What’s with these members wasting their time complaining that I have too much time…?

Anyway, I’ve seen enough protests about this on the net to find it interesting. Bear with me here.