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If there is a great shortage of native speaker TEFL instructors then the void will be filled by ASEAN. There are many, many teachers in Philippines or Myanmar who have excellent English language skills and who find the wage scale in Thailand quite adequate.
HannahD, you are correct that there are MANY teachers from the Phillipines that would be willing to teach here.
Look at it from this angle though. I, myself am American, teaching in a VERY rural school in the north. We have a total of about 20 foreign teachers in the province. 3 at this school - 2 Americans and 1 Filipina. The other American and the Filipina are leaving at the end of this month (1 due to personal reasons, the other due to not having the correct education documents and being unable to obtain them for a teaching license).
I do the screening and background checks for all teaching applicants. I have over 20 applications from Filipinos on my desk right now, but cannot hire ANY of them....because of their degree. They all have Bachelor degrees (some even in Education), but I have to verify that Khurusapah (the governing body for teachers in Thailand) will recognize the degree through an online website. NOT ONE of my applicants has a degree that is certified as acceptable to teach in Thailand, yet my Bachelors degree in Criminal Justice from the USA, coupled with a TEFL certificate from England, is certified by Khurusapah.
Sure, we pay the Filipino teachers less, yes they work hard, and in many cases their English is just as fluent as mine....but getting through all the loopholes to get them a temporary teaching license, appropriate Non-B visa and work permit are a HUGE undertaking and a major pain in the @$$.
There is going to be a MAJOR shortage of teachers in this country in the next 30 days.
For the record, my school does all the paperwork properly...I have a teaching license, Non-B multiple entry visa and a valid work permit. It is a hassle to get all of the documents and have it all done correctly, but nobody at this school is sweating the visa crackdown at all :)
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On the foreign teachers blogs, many, many English teachers are talking about walking. Sick of this visa <deleted> and the shitee pay and corruption. English Thai teachers who can't string a sentence together unless it is a negative statement about how you teach.
The only reason they want foreign teachers here is so they can all collect Tea Money from the top to the bottom.
Let the Filipinos teach here. Native English Teachers think very carefully, is this place worth it?
Yes, many foreign teachers are thinking about walking. Many already have. My school is losing one this week. But it is because of the stricter requirements being placed on teachers to be here...from having the correct visa to obtaining the teaching license.
I myself will be in limbo when my teaching license expires in about 2 years. Even though I have been teaching here for almost 3 years at the same school, the test for licensure is no longer offered for foreigners, so the only course is via a degree in education or current licensure from another country - neither of which I currently have.
It's not all about tea money. Some schools, sure. These are also the same schools that are losing all of their teachers because the school will not get the appropriate visa and work permit for their teachers, or they are not really teachers at all and cannot get the relevant paperwork together.
For many of the schools, the teachers are legitimate, but it is getting harder to find the quality because of the lower pay. I am not Filipino, I am American. I do live in a VERY rural place (There are hill tribe villagers in my school), and the pay is ok...nothing great, but more than enough to exist here and save $200-300 per month without budgeting. I could not live in CM or BKK on my pay, but if I lived there I would demand higher pay.
Where I am, it is an extremely poor community, with more than 80% of the population subsistence farmers. It is very difficult for parents to come up with the THB600 per term to have the foreign teachers here (2 American and 1 Filipino), but the education their kids get will put them in a MUCH better place when it comes time for them to enter the workforce. This is true of many schools that are doing things right.
Yes, this place is ABSOLUTELY worth it. Most teachers do not teach for the pay; I certainly do not. I do it for that "light bulb effect" - when kids eyes light up when they figure something out....that's what the teaching is all about - not the money. If I wanted to make money I would have gone into IT or politics or big business. In fact, before I came here, I was in big business in the USA at a major home improvement retailer making some awesome money...but had no life outside of work and massive stress 24/7.
I'll take the lower paycheck and the "Mai Bpen Rai" attitude as I spend my weekends doing anything I want to - which usually includes an afternoon in the hammock sipping a cold Leo.
Don't assume everyone is looking to make a buck or pad their pockets....many times it is quite the opposite. Yes, it is difficult to remain legal here, but if you do it right and try to do the right thing, you will find that people are quite accommodating...and I have never padded a pocket for any reason at all.
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I teach 23 contact hours a week, and have been asked to teach 2 hours a week to the Thai teachers for each of the last 3 years. The first year, about a dozen teachers showed up the first lesson, and by the 3rd we were down to 4. A moth later, I was in the classroom every Wednesday afternoon with nobody showing up. Second year, nobody showed up. This year, nobody has shown up yet, and we are now 6 weeks into school.
Unless the school director really keeps on the Thai teachers, they are not going to hold interest for long.....the teachers that want to learn usually ask me to give them a short lesson privately. This is not a problem, as they then in turn help me out whenever I need anything, or get told about meetings, etc.
None of the other foreign teachers at the school (1 american and 1 Filipino) get this from the Thai teachers. They are left alone, normally not included in extracurricular events, and not told about things that go on in staff meetings etc.....but since I bend over backwards to help the Thai Teachers learn English, they include me in everything...and I actually feel like I belong at the school, and not just a "farang teacher" who will last no more than a year.
Give the teaching a go. The benefits FAR outweigh the 2 hour weekly inconvenience.
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As an English teacher, and having been here for over 2 years now, I can say that the system DOES need to be overhauled. However, making an Education degree a requirement is NOT the way to go. I myself do not have an Education degree. I have been teaching for a large amount of my life though in military, corporate and government settings. I do have a TEFL certificate.
By the standards that have been proposed, I will be out of a job when my extension of teaching license expires in 2 years, and will have to return to the USA. I have done continuing education, and I have also challenged the Thai teachers' test, passing 4 of the 9 sections. Now though, the test has been discontinued and there is no clear steps anymore for us to get a license other than to have the Education degree.
I agree that the backpackers with nothing to do that are just teaching to pass the time until the weekend should go. The teachers that are working on a tourist visa should go - the visa runs have effectively killed that now. But make all of us have an Education degree, and there are going to be NO teachers in this country inside of a year. Salaries are not competitive (out in the sticks in Phrae province, I make 30ish K Baht, and live comfortably, but near any city or tourist center it would be difficult to live on.
If the requirement for an Education degree goes into effect, a higher salary MUST be paid. End of story. I can't afford to go back to school on my salary to get my M. Ed. degree....so unless something changes I, too, will be leaving Thailand in 2 years.....even though my school has already offered to keep me on permanently.
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After all that learning, he will take the test.
How important it is depends on what plans you/he has for the future.
Can you elaborate a little more on that last line please ?
I also still try to determine if this is mandatory and if it is going on every Saturday for the complete term.
I am a teacher, and we teach ONET for my students at P5 and P6 level. It is the standardized test taken by all students in the country at the end of the year of P6, M3 and M6. This test plays a large part in what secondary school / university they get into, and at the M3 level, whether or not they continue on with M4-6.
In Thailand, the test is extremely important. I teach it every Saturday for 3 hours during the second term to my P6 students. P5 students is substantially less.
The reason it is not taught during class time is that we have a curriculum to follow (at least in my school), that only gently parallels what the ONET tests for.
If you want your child to get into a better secondary school, he will need both high grades and a high ONET score. If you want him at the local secondary school, then it may not be as important.
Hope it helps....
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I'm a girl but I've had people seem to want me to go hang out with them but not really be interested in talking to me at all hahhaa and they always want to take pictures with me for some reason.
Many times I've had strangers come up to me and ask to take a picture with me like I'm some kind of celebrity or something hahahaha
The funniest one was a girl using the excuse that she had to take a picture with a foreigner for her school assignment.
I've had the school assignment excuse tons of times...the first 2-3 months I was here it was daily!
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I get it quite a bit, up here in the VERY rural north. Am 1 of 5 foreigners within 30km, and the only female. The teachers at school LOVE to take me out with them so that they can introduce their foreign friend to everybody. For the first few months it was cool to meet so many new people, but now over 2 years later it is just almost an inconvenience, especially when they want to go to Lampang or Nan....having to drive a few hours to get there.
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As a teacher in a primary school in the far north, I have many students of all persuasions. LGBTQI....and nobody seems to care. I myself am lesbian, and likewise NOBODY cares. My students even try to set me up sometimes with single ladies in the villages they know.
I honestly don't see the problem at all in Thailand. After having grown up with high school first in the USA, and then in Germany, I experienced a LARGE amount of discrimination over my sexuality. Granted, this was in the late 80s and early 90s....but the Thai students, at least here in the north, seem to have no issues at all. They are all accepted unconditionally at face value.
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Just had the aftershock here in Phrae as well. Only about 10 seconds, but had a little strength to it.
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I don't know about Phuket, but I am a teacher at a government primary school way up north in Phrae, and we start classes on May 12th last I heard. Of course, until the day actually comes, that is subject to reconsideration.
There are many ideas on the table from what I understand that the present school year we are going into (2557-2558) may be drawn out a bit, and then have a bit longer break next summer.
Of course, since there may be new elections in a few weeks, and a new government possibly being installed, I'm not holding my breath on any of it....
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You're on the right track looking at the Honda and Yamaha. Only potential issue you may run into is if you decided to trek into the hills, or make the trip to Nan. The roads get quite steep. If you are alone, no problem. If you are riding 2 people, it is going to put significant strain on the engine.
I live in Phrae (Song District...just a short distance from where you will be), and have an older police issue Yamaha 150cc 6-speed. I am a rather large person (80kg), and have overheated the bike riding from Phrae to Nan, a 2 hour ride through the mountains. If you are sticking to the streets or the occasional jaunt into Phrae, you are fine. Do Nan or Lampang and it may be a little more of an issue.
Just my 2 cents....
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But yet no talk on how they would exempt those of us from the fee that already have travel insurance or insurance IN Thailand? Why on earth would I pay THB500 to enter the country when I already pay THB20000 a year for my Thai policy??
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Should the allegations be true, I certainly hope he is placed with a cellie that will show him just how "fun" it is to be on the receiving end of a rape....repeatedly. Then threaten him with death should he tell the guards or anyone else.
And what makes you think he would not like that???
Andre0720 statistics. Just going on what I have learned in the past that most male pedophiles that prey on females / girls tend to be heterosexual and not homosexual. Granted, this information was learned at a University well known for its criminology and criminal justice research in the USA in the early 90s, but in my experiences before coming to LOS, it seemed to be pretty spot on for every occurrence I dealt with.
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Should the allegations be true, I certainly hope he is placed with a cellie that will show him just how "fun" it is to be on the receiving end of a rape....repeatedly. Then threaten him with death should he tell the guards or anyone else.
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38, and going on 2 years in LOS. I teach Anuban 1 and 2, as well as Prathom 4-5-6. Been in the same school since I got here. Have a degree in Criminal Justice, and just a 120 hour TEFL certificate.
We have had 5 other teachers at this school since I started, oldest was 31 and youngest was a 19 year old intern. Only one of those teachers actually stayed a full term, a 25 year old from Missouri USA who just had a knack for the kids and the classroom.
Age is not going to be the deciding factor for wanting to teach. Your motivation and genuine want to share knowledge, as well as understanding of what you are teaching (knowing when to use an apostrophe, or the difference between their, there and they're). The job is difficult even on good days, but it is still the most rewarding and enjoyable job I have ever had. Probably won't ever leave this school.
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There is quite a bit of overuse of white out, or "liqid" as my students call it, in my school. Desks tend to be painted with it, and for some reason occasionally more of the stuff ends up on the student than the paper. In the school I teach, students use pencil for Anuban, and then phase in pen over P1-P3, using only pen starting in P4.
I don't have an opinion either way whether they use it or just line out their mistakes. Have tried to get them to use pencil, but it has been met with quite a bit of resistance from both the students and the teachers. Pencils are for math class only, and for writing in the textbooks when you must make notes. That's it. I do make them use pencils on their written tests though to avoid the problem of constantly asking each other for "liqid" though...and that it is a multiple choice form test.
The biggest issue here now is that the students are using the stuff to write on the walls as graffiti....that is quite annoying to try and wash off!!
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As a loyal consumer of these beverages, homemade and otherwise, in Phrae province, I think they are including the expats here...all 6 of us in the province!
Seriously though, it is a major problem up here....and considering the number of Whiskey distilleries in this province alone....it will not go away anytime soon.
It is easier to find whiskey around here than coffee...
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Thai students and children get no guidance on "prioritizing" tasks and work. They have no work ethic or sense of reward for "achievement. They are not driven by achievement success. They are driven by "compatibility" and fraternity with their sakdi na network and pecking order. When it comes to schoolwork they have no discipline, the work has little meaning or application. They waste time and dilly dally about chit chatting and playing games and uploading pictures.
They have never been taught "order" and priority of work tasks. It doesn't mean anything in Thai culture. Homework in Thailand is merely busy work , it is not designed to teach or for students to learn and take interest. Thailand education is a sham and everyone knows it. They are not prepared for adult life. Everyone who knows and understands Thailand knows that the system is broken long before homework is assigned. Assigning homework at any level of volume in Thailand is an exercise in futility.
What aload of crap!
Any time I see things that refer to 'all thais' I know I am about to read BS.
Tell me how many kids do you have at your place doing their homework?
There are some great teachers out there teaching very bright kids who will go on to make their mark in both this country and in the world, there are also not so good teachers and kids who will never be anything but unskilled labour but thats the same in every country.
Unfortunatly the schools are mostly overcrowed with to many kids in a class which makes it impossible for even the best teacher to give individual attention.
That is what the Govt should be giving their attention to.
Homework is a way in which a kid can study without interfearence from other kids who dont really want to be there.
Parental supervision is also a big help.
Robby exactly. I am an English teacher for Anuban 2 and Prathom 4/5/6 in the far north in Phrae Province. My students do get assigned homework, but it is never more than 30-45 mins a week, and they always learn about it in class; it is just application of what we went over. The assignments change every week so there is constant need to think outside the box when doing assignments. I encourage creativity, and the students are rewarded for their level of work.
My school is a public Government school, and yes the students have a good deal of homework. But many of my students advanced to the regional competitions in Chiang Mai just last month, and 3 of the teams have advanced to compete in Bangkok for best in the country in Computer Science, Science and Math.
I think that the system of "all Thais" does not apply. Yes, there are schools that are exceptions to the rule and have extremely low standards and fail to achieve them. There are also the schools with teachers and faculty that care, and will truly go the extra mile for their students. I believe most schools fall into the latter.
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Provisional Teacher's License, Work Permit & Schools That Check On Degrees Of Foreigners...
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I have found that USA and UK universities have almost no issues at all. Philippines, South Africa and Camerron have significant issues though, as apparently one is able to "purchase" their Bachelors degree, and so TCT will not certify that university. It sucks for the people that worked for their degree....because I have not yet had a University certified for the Philippines and have had to turn away quite a few applicants because of it.