YeahSiam

Personally, I'm researching commercial cryogenics services.

On 2/3/2017 at 4:46 AM, Old Guy said:

To Mr. Cyber Farang.

Yes you are right -- I also am worried about a serious illness.  The only asset we have is the house which is (by law) in my wife's name but fully paid for.  So it would have to be sold, whether for death or serious illness.   I am sure I am not the only farang which lives hand-to mouth (I am on a U.K. pension which has been frozen).  Your suggestion re 10,000 baht to the monks and then the rubber tyre is fine by me -- as I said earlier the disposal method has no bearing on any future after-life.  But I appreciate Oldgent's sympathy. So I am now saving 1,000 each month from my income and putting it safely into an envelope !  Thanks everybody for your input.

You most definitely are not the only pensioner living hand-to-mouth in Thailand but, unlike others in a similar situation, you sound like you're carrying it with dignity, mate.

Good luck to you

9 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

No YS I do not believe that "looking for a partner" and " shagging his way through hooker after hooker" are the same thing and if you do it says much about you!  But I do think you and I are done here if you are unable to hold a civilised debate at a reasonable level of maturity!

As you wish but I will point out that there's no immaturity in my argument.

1 hour ago, chiang mai said:

In your opinion, it's far far away from being fact.

An opinion that you agree with;

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many expat retirees come here because they want to retire in a warmer climate, improve their chances of finding a partner

you just tried to sanitize it, slap a suit on it and make it sound respectable.

7 hours ago, chiang mai said:

A social networking site such as TVF rarely ever hears from happy people when it comes to visa's and Immigration, posters use sites TVF as a mechanism for venting their frustration on visa issues and matters related. So of course the wealthy expat who is employed on a substantial package is unlikely to ever be heard in these pages whereas the the less wealthy retiree with more time n his hands will be heard frequently, that's only common sense of course.

 

But I think it's extremely arrogant that you think it's your job to put some of those retirees in their place when they choose to complain about their circumstances, who appointed you the behavioural sheriff of these things! I have no idea and can't begin to guess at how many expat retirees might be considered economic migrants but I suspect the numbers are much smaller than you imply, I doubt many people set out to become that. I do believe however that many expat retirees come here because they want to retire in a warmer climate, improve their chances of finding a partner and are fed up with life back home and want a changed life in retirement - many if not most of those people will have begun their journey with a reasonable amount of money, albeit without any real plan. I find it hard to be critical of those people when after say fifteen years of living here their wealth has diminished as a result of many factors, some outside of their control and at age 70 they are now caught between a rock and a hard place and complain on TVF. Such people are I think a very small minority but just like an echo in an empty room they seem louder and far greater than they actually are.

 

Finally, your post  links complaining and wealth, those who have money don't complain but those who are poorer do, but then you say you can't understand why it is the poorer people who always complain. I think there's another angle on this which is that stupid and unnecessarily bureaucratic measures anywhere need complaining about, regardless of how much money a person has in the bank and the lack of wealth doesn't make a poor persons argument any less valid. Case in point is being required to report and confirm my address 4, x 90 days, 1 x visa extension, 1 x every time I return home following a visit away (TM30). I would probably never start a thread to complain about that but as here, I will raise it as being very unnecessary and I have over 15 million in my bank accounts here, hence I think your link between wealth and complaints needs to be rethought.

You've made this about retirees, when it's about economic migrants (or what you'd call "expats") as a whole.

It's definitely not just the retirees thinking they deserve a bigger pot to piss in; it's those on spousal and dependent visas/extensions of stay too.

I never insinuated it was my "job" to put these people in their place - I just said it was worth putting forward a more balanced view when some people got a bit ahead of themselves and held their wealth up as a justification for a greater say in how things are done here.

 I don't care how you dress it up, CM, most male economic migrants come here for cheap living costs and easy, attractive pussy at a price they can get behind.

This is one of the reasons behind the popular perception of the single male, holed up in a fan room in Pattaya shagging his way through hooker after hooker while living hand-to-mouth.

It's a stereotype but it's also a well-deserved one.

It's worth pointing out that male economic migrants living in the Caribbean, Southern Europe etc don't suffer from this stereotyping. Wonder why?

You say the 90 day reports thing is a pain and you're right - it is - but you (and I) KNEW about it all along; it wasn't introduced yesterday, mate; it's just that, after however many years,for many, it's become an inconvenience.

You think the authorities need to change it but that's because your perception of it has changed.

People who complain about not being able to buy land or work to support families are hardly in a minority, CM - they're everywhere on here and out in the real world but, again, these rules have been immutable - it's only individual circumstances that have changed.

A guy happy to comply with 90 day reports and restrictions on work etc when he first arrived suddenly finds those things an inconvenience after he knocks up a local bird and wants to leave land/property to his kid but doesn't want to buy in his wife's name.

Whose fault is that?

Is it the fault of those who make the rules or the guy who knocked up the bird?

Should the authorities change the law to accommodate those who make dumb life choices?

1 minute ago, chiang mai said:

a desire to put down the resident expat and to keep portraying him as a alcoholic penniless sex tourist who lives here in a single room and lives hand to mouth, exactly why people need to do that mystifies me completely.

It's an attempt to balance the picture, CM.

This thread is about how Thaivisa might be used to act as a lobbying tool to eke out concessions that might make things "easier" for foreigners.

Those resident economic migrants who think they deserve a "say" or some kind of enhanced status because they bring modest sums of money to the Thai economy need to be shaken out of their delusions & reminded of their place in the pecking order.

As geriatrickid said earlier, you don't hear the dudes on the big expat packages with MNCs bitching about the irritants of dual pricing or 90 day reports

Those guys aren't whining about deadbeat Thai birds with 3 kids ripping them off, the price of a continental breakfast, problems with law enforcement, the fact they can't buy a rai of swampland to build a McMansion on.

I can't for the life of me understand why it's always those with the most unremarkable levels of wealth that are always the most vocal about what that should entitle them to.

Does it stem from a need to be recognised or acknowledged after a lifetime of feeling like a distinctly average "also-ran"?

Is it the ignominy of finally making it into the top 5% (if only by moving to a country with a much poorer population) and deriving no privilege for their "achievement"?

Who knows but it's the height of vanity and the nadir of snobbery.

Just accept it, we have little control over our status here; we all knew that before we pitched our tents.

All we can do is satisfy the criteria ........ or don't.

55 minutes ago, chiang mai said:

 

And exactly why you think retirees always live hand to mouth here escapes me, 20/25k a month will rent a very very nice 2 bed condo at Floral, a very desirable condo complex near downtown CM. Plus I'm a retiree and I spend everyday, each year I spend in excess of 1 mill. baht, does that make me hand to mouth and whiny also.

Because a lot of them do live hand-to-mouth.

Of course, some retirees are very comfortable indeed but, at the end of the day, most of them are here to stretch their pensions.

How do you figure that people stretching a pension can, at the same time, claim to be a cornerstone of the Thai economy?

They're the most vocal complainants when foreign exchange rates go against them

They're the farang contingent most heavily represented at the Tesco Lotus and Big C food courts.

They're the most likely to be drinking early doors at happy hour in order to save money.

A valiant effort, CM, but I'm afraid that your demographic won't be awarded medals, sashes and inductions into the Economic Friends of Thailand VIP group any time soon.

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

That is what I am saying voteing rights in the U.K. .

so are you better them because my English is not up to your standards no you are not .

because western in thailand are putting money in to the country are they not , yes they are .

thats why they should have a say .

so get of your high horse and think how much money is  poured in to thailand through the money from western.

It's not about being "better", George; it's about being "understood".

You're too clueless to even bother replying to half the time

1 hour ago, georgemandm said:

Why not listen to foreigners if they are living in thailand and putting more in to the thai  economy that thai people do .

you talk about nanny state thailand would be the worst nanny state I have seen in my life .

Thais out of thailand never  Heard or seen any foreign what to see Thais out of thailand that is a  ridiculous statement .

You see in thailand no  freedom of speech for foreign in the nanny state thailand.

in your U.K. Muslins have a say in the way the country is run , but in thailand as a  permanent resident you as a  permanent  resident have no so in thailand a nanny state.

Honestly, what the hell are you talking about, George?

As if having only just enough knowledge to be dangerous isn't bad enough but you can barely string a sentence together in English.

Muslims don't have a say in the way the UK is run based on their being Muslims.

They have a say in the way the UK is run based on their being eligible to vote as British citizens.

Wealthy Russians and other nationalities living in London's most exclusive areas don't have a say in how the UK is run even though they bring in serious money.

If people with that kind of money don't get a say, how do you figure a group of economic migrants here for the cheaper living costs should have a say in how Thailand is run?

2 hours ago, chiang mai said:

TAT's own figures show that the average tourist length of stay is five days and that their average spend is 5, 400 baht per day, that means every tourist who visits Thailand spends on average 27,000 baht.

 

Whiny old expats on the other hand spend a minimum of 40,000 baht per month or 480,000 baht per year, of which a minimum of 33,600 is spent on sales tax (7%).

 

Ergo, whiny old expats spend more every year in tax than the average tourist spends in total.

 

Just because you don't care about whiny old expats doesn't mean the governement doesn't.

The government doesn't really "care" about "economic migrants" - not "expats" - nor should they.

They've set out the criteria for living here - if you like it it, great; if you don't like it, great.

There's no reason to make things easier because there's no desire for even more of us to turn up at the airport with our shit in tow.

In threads like this, it really is worth remembering that, whatever our reasons for being in Thailand, 95% of us are here of our own volition.

Our trouble is that most of us aren't used to the dynamics of being a minority.

We've spent our lives being part of the majority, the group that makes the rules, calls the shots and wields the big stick.

Here, the "brown" people run the show.

Your typical, self important farang doesn't like it that someone he regards as a poorly educated dope makes him jump through hoops and we hear whining about 90 day reports, dual pricing and other trials with increasingly regularity.

I don't need concessions.

I don't need free health care

I don't need some kind of acknowledgement of my "value" or "worth" to the Thai economy.

I'm cool just get on with my life and be thankful for the indifference of the Thai people

I know a lot of economic migrants feel the same

Eastbay.com

Shipping costs vary

Tax will be charged - can't remember how much exactly - maybe 30% of value and cost of shipping combined

On 1/27/2017 at 7:18 PM, rogeroc said:

 You should be embarrassed to have someone provide for you who has so much less earning potential than you ! If it is true of course.

Rubbish

He might have greater earning potential in his country but probably not in Thailand.

The guy appears to have sorted his shit well.

1 hour ago, Panda13 said:

This is the view from my GF's resort that she owns in a national park. Doesn't look shit me.

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Granted but only a total mug would pay money to see it let alone "farang" money especially when there are lots of places in Thailand where you can get it for free.

9 hours ago, 473geo said:

You are persistent  in your effort to cover your original faux pas. Unlike you I have no reason to distort the truth, and yes I am patronising in areas where I clearly hold knowledge others have made no effort to discover. There is nothing more to discuss, I do not come onto threads like these to spread falsehood. I have no 'statement' to defend as I tell it how it is, in my life. You can't accept that, then I will never convince you otherwise, does that sound patronising? or the voice of experience from years of debate on Tvisa?

What faux pas?

What truth have I distorted?

How the hell do you know what others have "made no effort to discover".

How do you know that others haven't experienced the "intimate looks" and "basked in the afterglow"?

You didn't ask; you just assumed and proceeded to pompously secrete a load of syrupy BS about "little touches" and "sparkling eyes" as if you're some sort of love Jedi who's awakened to the true nature of the universe.

Mate, it's taken you until the twilight of your life to discover what you call "true love" after, by your own admission, screwing up several relationships with booze and partying.

On a personal level (I can't speak for others but if I want to know, I'll ask them), I didn't have to go through a lifetime of f*** ups and wait until my dotage to experience what you're gushing about like some daft teenager.

Oh and, what's more, I didn't have to come to Thailand and cough up an allowance to do it.

7 hours ago, 473geo said:

 

Those of us who have successfully negotiated the ups and downs, the sharp curves, U turns, and cul de sacs of life, are aware, and have experienced the many facets of the female form. With 'true gratitude' as you call it, firstly it does not compare with true love, second the effort is high maintenance on the part of the female and the mask can too easily slip.

 

I am always rather surprised when my wife slips her hand into mine walking in Public, I shouldn't be, she does it often, then looks up into my eyes and smiles. Before you say it, I am not at the stage where I need support, or helping across the road.  I get the impression my wife is proud to be my wife and not afraid to demonstrate this in public....I guess she is comfortable and confident with the thought our love will last...she should be, I have never been happier, married to such a remarkable person, we think along the same lines, only very occasionally have a variance of opinion, we are confident enough to be very open about how we feel on all topics.......we make a good team......I'm afraid this information may come as quite a shock to you but never the less appears to be the case.

 

You will of course be starting to work out why my life is successful and I have the ability to build lasting relationships......just look at how tolerant I have been with your questioning and innuendo even though you are far off track

 

 

No but I am wondering why you expect people totake you at your word when even the most basic, innocuous questions about the circumstances have you pulling the privacy card after such a laughable display of self-aggrandizement.

Cross-generational unions are almost always based on a financial arrangement.

If you say yours is based on "true love", that's your business and nobody else's.......until you patronize others.

1 hour ago, 473geo said:

Of course I'll understand if you and other posters see it how you want to see it Yeah Siam - isn't that always the way

 

 

Meanwhile in the real world (Mine) Leeds are back in the game

OK but do yourself a favour; consider the very real possibility what you take to be "true love" is actually "true gratitude.

5 minutes ago, 473geo said:

Dear Yeah Siam

 

To take a quote out of the clip you provided - "It is about what I am entitled to do "

 

I am entitled to limit the information I provide about my family on a public forum  for no other reason than to be sure my family are put at no risk.

 

Again thank you for your concern,  I do not wish to labour the point but your concern is unwarranted and totally unnecessary. Please do not further waste your time pontificating, apologies if you have not reached the conclusion anticipated. Life can be like that.

Well wait a minute.

You're the one who proclaimed that you have this idyllic situation and that the more realistic among us lacked "je ne sais quoi" because we apparently don''t experience the "intimate looks", the "little touches" etc.

You put your business in public then when called on it, you pretend it's suddenly become private.

Answering a simple question about whether or not you pay a stipend won't put your family at risk; neither will stating whether or not the children are yours or your wife's from a previous relationship unless of course 473geo is on your passport or your house book.

Anyway, look, if you don't want to say then don't but you'll understand if I and other posters reading your cryptic, Howard-esque responses surmise that you are not an exception at all.

Kid yourself all you want - there's no law against being deluded - but don't feign pity for those of us who can see what guys like you really have even if you can't.

1 minute ago, 473geo said:

 

As stated in a previous post, my wife, children, and I, share much affection and love. A very fulfilling part of my life, I am exceptionally proud of them, all are high achievers who work hard. I guess it comes from living in a consistent, stable, loving family unit

I appreciate your concern for the welfare of my family and I, but it really is misplaced.

Enjoy life  

God I feel like Jeremy Paxman interviewing Michael Howard

1 minute ago, 473geo said:

 

Well let us see now, I have a wife, 2 children, and a home to run........you are suggesting if I provide financial support this is some sort of an indicator, in your mind,  that I am not involved in a loving relationship!!

 

Oh dear oh dear  oh dear - let it go  

Depends on whether the children are yours or were in situ when you arrived.

If they're yours, fair play; if they're not...........

1 minute ago, 473geo said:

 

Well without providing too much detail my wife and her family have played a large part of out family progress over the years and so it continues, truly a partnership, not a one way street at all. My wife is also very protective of the interests of our immediate family. So yes life is good, and we work together to improve all along the way, a truly enjoyable experience.

Many will have seen me write this before......my life has never been about money

Very skilfully evaded but you didn't answer the question

Are you paying an allowance?

Yes or No?

1 hour ago, 473geo said:

@Yeah Siam

 

"Of course, someone will be along in a minute to say that his 25-40 year younger wife/girlfriend/partner is the real deal but they have little choice but to say such things.

After all, no one actually wants to admit they're a mug."

 

That would be me then.......excepting I happen to think the 'mugs' are the ones that think it cannot happen.......perhaps lacking a certain 'je ne sais quoi'

Well if you've achieved that apparent state of nirvana without having to serve up an allowance to her or her family, good on you; you may well be that exception

If, on the other hand, if you're doing the "stupid stipend" thing, I'm afraid nirvana is definitely one-sided in your case.

I was initially tempted to say "You'll figure it all out in time" but I guess you came here for help so......

You can buy whatever you like from wherever you like but you're going to have to pay import duty on whatever you bring in.

This is why imported stuff is more expensive; get used to it or buy local stuff.

Those brands you're looking for likely won't ship to Thailand.

You'll have to ship them to someone in your country and then get them sent on to you.

Again, factor in import duty

You won't get stuff at UK prices unless you import them illegally or get a mate to bring them in should they visit.

2 hours ago, KC 71 said:

Yes ,i wanted to share something and get feedback
And all i got was jaded comments
Wont bother next time !
Bunch od cxxnts
Go fxxk yourselves


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Did you kiss your first wife/girlfriend with that mouth?

27 minutes ago, The Dancer said:

No, you didn't. You thought you did. But you are wrong. Because you are not the least bit lovable. Oh, don't be offended, I mean nothing personal. I am sure  you are a bang-up kind of guy and the bar doesn't come alive until you are parked on your stool.

 

What I mean is that you bring nothing to the table for a Thai woman to love. You look different,  don't speak her language, know nothing about the movies, music, religion, stories, celebrities, and on and on that she grew up with, your nose is too big and as the day wears on you begin to emit a distinctly farangy odor.

 

What was that you said? We look like Brad Pitt do we? Do me a favor and go watch a couple of lakorns on Channel 7. Do any of the guys look Mr. Pitt? No, because he is too big (buffalo-like), too muscled (reeking of labor class, rather than the lounge set) and too darned ugly (yep, it's relative, where Nadech's the epitome of good looks Brad Pitt is about as hot as Bill O'Reilly).

 

You spent 7 years learning Thai and now read, write and speak? Sorry but all your fluency in Thai does is make you a slightly odd Thai-wannabe farang who just might have other quirks, rather than an honest to goodness off-the-boat farang. In fact your knowing Thai gets you exactly to the point where Thais can see what you don't have a clue of, particularly, Thai culture, values, etc., etc. I am not knocking learning Thai. It's very useful. But it doesn't make you lovable.

 

But you found a well-educated English speaking hiso Thai lass who loves you for your Western self? BS. The guy she really was lusting after before you came into the picture was that kid from the XYZpong family studying to be a doctor, the skinny one, with the mildly feminine features, with a shade of a mustache and a hairy mole under his left cheek. And she almost had him until that total bitch from Korat, who dresses like a slut and was known once to have put out to a motosai guy after getting drunk, stole him. At that point you became the consolation prize.

 

You know what it is about consolation prizes right? Athletes train for years, end up third from last, make a nice speech about how just participating made it all worth it, and gracefully accept a consolation prize. Then when they get home they shut the door, fly into a rage, hurl the prize across the room, and stamp on it till it's a thousand pieces. Yep, that's you and little Miss Hiso.

 

Ah, you are rich? Now, we are talking. Not about true love but a true arrangement. You support her and mom and dad and the lazy brother, and buy a car and build a house and in return she cooks, cleans, and grits her teeth once a week through boom-boom.

 

True love? Just around the corner.

 

 

 

That is a post and a half

Everyone's different but unless you're extremely fortunate in meeting a good Thai woman straight off the plane, you're best advised to take your time getting to know the lay of the land before declaring undying love here.

As a general rule of thumb, though, if you're handing over any kind of regular payment to a Thai woman you can hardly converse with then it's very, very unlikely that what you have is "true love".

Of course, someone will be along in a minute to say that his 25-40 year younger wife/girlfriend/partner is the real deal but they have little choice but to say such things.

After all, no one actually wants to admit they're a mug.