andreandre

'Fora Bee', not 'Flora Bee', and both companies supply beekeeping equipment, to the local honey-farmers and enthusiasts !

Correct and their honey is real honey..Outlet also in Chiang Mai Land..1kg bulk pack Wild Flower Honey 125 baht.

Check their story out..

http://www.forabee.com/en/aboust-us.php

A troll in what way?

Do you honestly believe that every foreigner who comes here should be able to afford a car? 8 years ago I couldn't and it wasn't until my son was four that I could. Until then we had little choice but to ferry him about on a scooter. Both my wife and I hated it and I bought a car as soon as could. I know many foreigners who have young families who also aren't wealthy enough to buy a car. Also, if you can save 100k for a crappy old pice of crap, you can save up for a deposit on a new small car as it's about the same.

I feel that you were labeled as a troll purely by reference to your reply to my post..you must admit that your reply is quite bizarre..

eg ; Suggesting that i should be buying cars for all the poor Thai people etc..

Suggesting that i am disrespecting those who still aspire to own a car...

Why not reply to my answer to your bizarre post instead.

As i said , if you are a farang living here who really can not afford a basic car at least, i really do feel for you.

You would rather risk the life of your child on a motorbike than have to drive a ''crappy'' car?

That is your choice, up to you..Not one that i would make.

IMO....No one apart from the many lower socioeconomic classes of Thais [who have little or no choice in the matter }has any right and or reason to carry small children on a motorcycle..ziltch, nada ,nothing !

To do so shows a very low mentality by having scant disregard for the life of such a sacred, innocent,vulnerable precious thing that a human child is

A criminal charge of reckless endangerment should be thrown with all its might at these morons who decide to embark on such activities.

A motorcycle is not a toy,its not for giving some kid a "treat" zipping down to the 7/11..and saying, Its alright, its just local..Some 2/3 of accidents happen "just local" ..

Of course, it's everyone's own choice to do as they want in life, but when it comes to treating children who basically have no say and absolutely no idea of the inherent dangers and the chance of terrible repercussions when things go bad, its a choice that needs to be very carefully considered and you must be prepared to face the consequences.

In my long riding life i have seen more than enough severed limbs and torn up disfigured human bodies of adults in crashes to make me never, to even think about carrying a child, let alone doing it.I have been there when big strong grown men are screaming and screaming in pain after an incident..it it truely heartwrenching and disturbing in so many aspects.

I have also, as i posted a while ago in another similar thread,been witness to some moron westerners whose scooter was just clipped by a car on Phuket..''just local riding" they said.

The very young child had slid under the car that had clipped them and was roadrashed nearly totally 100% of its tiny body..the screams of that child and also now of the parents joining in was truely unbelievable.I still have bad moments thinking of it and i had absolutely no ties with these people..total strangers to me. can you immagine if they were your own family?.......

Your call...if you really believe that you can stomach seeing and hearing your own beloved flesh and blood in this state..you go for it..it is after all a choice you will have made.Yours and yours alone! You will have to live with it for the rest of your life!

I hope you have bought all the poor people around you a nice car so they don't have to risk their kids' lives on the road by only having a motorcycle to get around on.

We all know cars are safer, but even us 'Rich Farangs' can't always afford a car. If you can, then great, but it doesn't give you the right to disrespect those who still aspire to car ownership.

Sorry but i don't get your point....If you are referring, as i was to Thai people......I genuinely wish that the poorer Thais did not have to carry children on motorbikes ,..as for me buying the millions and millions in this catagory a car.....?????

If you are referring to a farang not having a car.....thats a whole different story..I, myself don't have a car,[because simply i choose not to have one] but you will never in a million years see my with a child on my motorcycle...never!

You can buy a reasonable car to go from A to B for near the price of a scooter and i would suggest that if the average farang living here with children can not afford this "under 100,000baht" to buy a car, there is something very wrong indeed.

If you,yourself are in this catagory, i feel for you.

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This is not being disrespectful at all,IMO just honest.

EDIT..I have looked at cars for friends to buy as daily transport for 50- 60K+ that are more than adequate for the purpose.

A slight change of topic but still concerning Child Safety.

Many posters have their feet firmly places in the 'under no circumstances should you take your chid on a bike' camp...

While I agree, I'd never have my Child on a Bike and only under very specific circumstances which involve a lack of a viable safer alternative would I allow my child to be in a car without a Child Seat.

However, I recognise and respect that others may have different needs, resulting in a lack of alternative to taking their child on a bike.

So.. What about 'holidaying' >>> ??? In the past when visiting Koh Samet, I've found using the ATV (Quad bikes) an excellent way to get around.

What are ThaiVisa members thoughts on taking my Child (and Wife) 3 up on an ATV on an Island such as Koh Samet ???

What are ThaiVisa members thoughts on taking my Child (and Wife) 3 up on an ATV on an Island such as Koh Samet ???

Why even ask?..you seem smart enough safety wise to know the answer already.

There are probably more injuries/deaths on quads than any other vehicle percentage wise ....

Some comments here are so out of touch with reality (possibly because the posters don't even live in Thailand) that it's not worth commenting on.

OP, well done for planning to buy a helmet for your kid. I've got one for mine and he loves wearing it so I know that when he is of age to ride a bike himself, he will always don a helmet.

Amazing how many people move to Thailand and follow the saying monkey see, monkey do.

The Thais do it, so common sense and basic intelligence are put aside, and they then do it too.

Perhaps they just aren't very intelligent from the get go.

"I've got one for mine and he loves wearing it so I know that when he is of age to ride a bike himself, he will always don a helmet."

That's the best grab for some sort of logic I've seen in quite a while. congratulations.

"Perhaps they just aren't very intelligent from the get go"

You've got that dead right...

Cant be tossed looking for it right now, but one, [now banned] jerk said in another thread that it was fine to take a child on his bike as long as the child "held on triple tight".. <deleted>??

Op: too many harsh replies here...

I'm a little nuts about safety...

I.e. Rear facing car seat only, German 4x4.

Never in a taxi.

So your choice to take your child on a motorcycle seems a little extreme to me.

That said, we all do what we can, you are trying your best, looking for the best options.

I respect that people still have to be mobile even if they only have a motorcycle.

Perhaps there are methods to have some sort of seat fabricated, something similar to those seats people put on their bicycles...

Helmets: I'm not sure but at least the Op is looking.

Perhaps there are methods to have some sort of seat fabricated, something similar to those seats people put on their bicycles..

See post #59

I see what you mean but there's no way in hell that would protection an infant in a crash

The only way to do it safely is not have babies on motorbikes, if there was a safe seat that worked the auto seat company's would have patented it years ago

They make Billions a year from car seats, if they're was any design that would pass "western" safety stds, they would already be mass produced

To think anyone here will design a safer seat and build it is highly unlikely to put it politely...

Sorry...i meant to refer to my reply on that post..... viz ;Yeh, i'm sure that that'll make a world of difference when the sooner or later collision/slide off or whatever scenario presents itself.....[sarcastic]ish

I do agree 100% with your post tho....

Op: too many harsh replies here...

I'm a little nuts about safety...

I.e. Rear facing car seat only, German 4x4.

Never in a taxi.

So your choice to take your child on a motorcycle seems a little extreme to me.

That said, we all do what we can, you are trying your best, looking for the best options.

I respect that people still have to be mobile even if they only have a motorcycle.

Perhaps there are methods to have some sort of seat fabricated, something similar to those seats people put on their bicycles...

Helmets: I'm not sure but at least the Op is looking.

Perhaps there are methods to have some sort of seat fabricated, something similar to those seats people put on their bicycles..

See post #59

Make sure you get one of those bolt on seats that fits in between you and the centre column, they fold up when not in use.

A hell of a lot safer than just letting your kid roam free on the point of your seat.

Yeh, i'm sure that that'll make a world of difference when the sooner or later collision/slide off or whatever scenario presents itself.....

Where were the police for the Tha Chat Chai police checkpoint?

Any CCTV at the checkpoint?

Yes, police and cameras. Cameras pointing to front and rearof vehicle. If police have a time and rough vehicle description for the incident then they should easily be able to identify the number plate. This driver will be caught.

PS..apparently the driver has handed himself in..[according to PW]

It could also be that the truck driver didn't know she was trapped under his truck.

That's what I was thinking. Driver most likely had no idea that he had hit the bike or dragged the child.

Does not make it right, just a sad fact.

Spot on LIK...i'm not suggesting at all that the truck driver is totally innocent here, but when driving big rigs like this [it is after all an 18 wheeler, not a small pick up type truck] it is quite easy to not notice a small bike and or feel an impact....especially a small child...truck was rounding a bend in the road and is very likely indeed that the driver knew nothing at all of the tragedy that was left behind him....

PS ......i'm much more pissed that TV felt the need to post the photo in all its gory detail..totally un neccessary to do so IMO>

That depends on your definition of liveable. Rain is nice, you may have noticed a drop in temp. during the rainy spell and when the clouds break the air will be clear, the plants washed and growing. It is a lovely time of year.

Enjoy rain as well in moderation but when it's continuous day in/day out like it is in Seattle much of the year, it gets old pretty quick. Also, it seems scooters are pretty useless in this weather and probably much safer to drive a car.

It is NOT continuous, day in and day out as in Seattle. Most of the day will be bright sun, then an hour or two of torrential rain in the afternoons, followed by bright sun again. Certainly there will be 'some' full days of rain, just as in most places, but usually not. I use my scooter every day without any problems. I find the rainy season to be delightful, with clean, cool air. lush tropical growth all around, and a freshness you don't experience during the rest of the year. But then I find the rest of the year, minus 2-3 weeks when the burning is at its worst, pretty damn nice too! But then... that's why I live here and not somewhere else!

It is NOT continuous, day in and day out as in Seattle. Most of the day will be bright sun, then an hour or two of torrential rain in the afternoons, followed by bright sun again

This is the norm...but so far, this month at least,has been far from the norm.

Some drivers of these big trucks think they are driving Tanks,instead of moving

in the slip road to turn,they stay on the outside lane,too lazy or stupid to turn

the wheel,even with power steering,then if they are not looking somebody comes

up on the inside (the correct lane),thats how accidents happen.

Its the same when they turn at junctions,if your in the front at the lights,they nearly

take your front end off,as they take the shortest distance,instead of making the

turn in a proper manner.they just don't want to turn the steering wheel.

regards Worgeordie

Its the same when they turn at junctions,if your in the front at the lights,they nearly

take your front end off,as they take the shortest distance,instead of making the

turn in a proper manner.they just don't want to turn the steering wheel.

A bit like this you mean??

All over the world, shit like this happens, and the reasons that drivers simply" do not see a motorcycle "are vast and varied.....

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/07/21/09/55/motorcyclist-jumps-for-his-life-as-truck-steamrolls-his-ducati

I just rode by the spot where it happened and stopped on the side of the road for a minute- man, that would have been a really difficult position for a rider to dig himself out of, even at the speed limit (and supposedly this rider was above that)- brakes wouldn't have done much to slow him down at such a short distance, and only a quick (really quick, with perhaps less than a second to decide what to do) counter-steer would have given the rider a chance to escape (and he wasnt on the ideal bike or tires to do it).

Whenever I read about a bike accident, I always wonder what would have happened to me had I been in the same situation (or if I would have been in the situation at all)- without a healthy dose of good fortune, I think just about any rider would likely have been caught out regardless of skill level or experience. Speaking for myself, I would have had a chance, but certainly no guarantee. It was certainly a section of that road to be on guard, but more for a car or truck to be pulling out of the parking lot into the road rather than a truck making a quick U-turn from the left lane (it that's what happened). While it was difficult to tell as it rained last night and the road was mostly clean, it appeared that the impact happened in the U-turn lane (judging by scratches in the road, though they weren't necessarily from this incident), so the rider appeared to be moving over to the right to avoid the truck, but he didn't make it far enough.

counter-steer would have given the rider a chance to escape (and he wasnt on the ideal bike or tires to do it).

I figure that you mean if he had taken evasive action which is a lot more than just counter steering he may have escaped collision...just maybe.

As for not being on "ideal bike or tyres"...i disagree..even on a pushbike , counter steering is part and parcel of riding and taking evasive action at times of imminent danger.

I think just about any rider would likely have been caught out regardless of skill level or experience. Speaking for myself, I would have had a chance, but certainly no guarantee.

I agree with your first sentence....But interested in the 2nd,....could you explain why you, yourself may have had a chance when just about any rider would likely have been caught out regardless of skill level or experience...Do you have something special going on?

I will probably spend more rebuilding my bike than it's worth. But at the end I will feel that the money and effort will be worth it, to me anyway.

Better than letting it fall apart. Maybe some day someone will appreciate it, maybe not, but I will be happy with me.

Old bikes, old cars same same, as they say here.

Good on yer, mate. I spend loads on classic bikes & cars (in UK) and don't regret it. Just wish that I could have kept a few vehicles.

What are you to restore, overherebc ?

Just wish that I could have kept a few vehicles

With you on this point...i've had quite a few bikes over the years that at the time were ''just bikes'' and are now collectable classics..such is life.

Side not to those fighting about helmets

The first pic which I wont post as it shows the deceased has a helmet in an odd position near body...likely his helmet

secondly a helmet helps but does not guarantee survival in an impact such as this

Obviously a helmet doesn't guarantee survival, but a properly-secured quality full-face helmet would likely still be on his head rather than laying next to him (assuming someone didn't remove it, which is also possible), and he might at least have made it to the hospital. Come on, the helmets worn by the majority of riders here are crap to the point of being useless- at least with a better helmet he may have greatly improved his odds of survival (and the poster who witnessed the aftermath said the head injury seemed to be the cause of death). I agree a helmet isn't magic, but it sure seems like a good one could have helped here.

Preaching to the choir bro I have ridden & raced bikes for decades & always wear one.

All I was pointing out is I know quite a few deaths that occurred while wearing one due to rapid deceleration...as in hitting a stationary or near

stationary object from high speeds. You stop your brain does not

Yes Helmets all of the time is a logical idea.....& more so here than anywhere else I have lived.

but it sure seems like a good one could have helped here.

We cannot say a helmet would have helped here as we do not even know if he wore one.

Also these holier than thou posts that always pop up in a death are misplaced at best given the circumstances/lack of info & basic respect.

We cannot say a helmet would have helped here as we do not even know if he wore one.

Also these holier than thou posts that always pop up in a death are misplaced at best given the circumstances/lack of info & basic respect.

Yes 100% correct

Obviously it's assumption, hence my not saying 'definitely'- that doesn't change the fact that a head injury was likely the cause of death, which is usually the case when someone is intact but dead at the scene (he wasn't even brought to the hospital)- lower body injuries usually leave you a bit more time (at least to be brought to a hospital) before it's called at the site of the accident.

You don't have to wear a helmet- I don't really care what you do, and I've read some posts by you in the bike section so I know your feelings about helmets- but when I see a pic of a body with obvious signs of a head injury, that's what I'll assume was the cause of death unless I hear differently.

You don't have to wear a helmet- I don't really care what you do, and I've read some posts by you in the bike section so I know your feelings about helmets- but when I see a pic of a body with obvious signs of a head injury, that's what I'll assume was the cause of death unless I hear differently.

what has this rave got to do with my comment? What i myself choose to do has absolutely no influence on what i said here.

Assumptions by you ; ...maybe (probably) a better helmet (if one was worn at all)... If one was worn at all??

I read several very defensive posts about gear written by you in another section- sorry if I assumed incorrectly about your posting intent in this thread, but you have often had a problem with people who advocate wearing decent gear as the only proper way to ride (a view which I share, but wasn't advocating here- I was pointing out my observation)).

We seem to have very different definitions of 'rave'- regardless, my comment regarding helmet use in this case was likely correct, and I stand by it. If you have a issue with my speculating as to the cause (as well as the corroborating speculation of an eyewitness to the accident), well, that's your problem, not mine.

In reference to your edit (not quoted above), certainly there were likely other injuries- however, a fatality called at the scene- with the photographic evidence of a lot of blood in the head area- points to a head injury being the most likely cause of death (which is the most common cause of death among riders with inferior helmets or no helmet at all- if you talk to anyone who works with emergency medical services in Thailand, they'll confirm that). Again, it was my opinion, and I never stated it as anything more than the most likely possiblity.

Does this count as another 'rave'?

My insinuation of rave was your mentioning my own personal choices on other forums in this particular thread..no relevance here at all!So a rave for sure [iMO}

Comprehension obviously also not your forte...'I never said that head injury was not likely..i said that looking at the damage to the pick up, that high speed impact would have resulted in more than just head trauma also note i said In My Opinion.

Looks like there was severe head trauma- maybe (probably) a better helmet (if one was worn at all) would have made a huge difference.

A lot of assumptions on your part.....obviously quite a high speed impact [look at the bumper damage] so all sorts of trauma likely IMO

Obviously it's assumption, hence my not saying 'definitely'- that doesn't change the fact that a head injury was likely the cause of death, which is usually the case when someone is intact but dead at the scene (he wasn't even brought to the hospital)- lower body injuries usually leave you a bit more time (at least to be brought to a hospital) before it's called at the site of the accident.

You don't have to wear a helmet- I don't really care what you do, and I've read some posts by you in the bike section so I know your feelings about helmets- but when I see a pic of a body with obvious signs of a head injury, that's what I'll assume was the cause of death unless I hear differently.

You don't have to wear a helmet- I don't really care what you do, and I've read some posts by you in the bike section so I know your feelings about helmets- but when I see a pic of a body with obvious signs of a head injury, that's what I'll assume was the cause of death unless I hear differently.

what has this rave got to do with my comment? What i myself choose to do has absolutely no influence on what i said here.

Assumptions by you ; ...maybe (probably) a better helmet (if one was worn at all)... If one was worn at all??

I never said that head injury was not likely..i said that looking at the damage to the pick up, that high speed impact would have resulted in more than just head trauma also note i said In My Opinion...

Looks like there was severe head trauma- maybe (probably) a better helmet (if one was worn at all) would have made a huge difference.

A lot of assumptions on your part.....obviously quite a high speed impact [look at the bumper damage] so all sorts of trauma likely IMO

A reminder to all bike riders of the inherent dangers on the roads.

Sad to see yet another motorcyclist lost.

Velo 500 twin. Very rare. Covel model

Interesting...more than very rare, i believe a "one off" ..... also this one;

http://www.velocette-amateur.com/proto.htm

Not worth the time and effort in this country...The nut behind the wheel is the biggest problem in LOS..eg;

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/07/15/10/06/angry-driver-of-little-red-car-causes-nasty-highway-crash

Triumph

BSA

Norton

Royal Enfield

Matchless

Vellocette

All did 500 twins in the "60"s

Replace Velocette with Ariel and i 'll agree with you//..i don't recall a Velo 500 Twin..

500 twin

Not very specific are you. Not very helpful.

Right from the OP seven word query was not very specific...surely if you want some advice you put as much info and feedback as possible.

In reality tho' i guess it doesn;'t really make any difference what make or size '60;s Brit bike it is [2 strokes aside]..the info needed would all be the same.

Op this is a free forum, you don't have to pay per word you know.

The Thai Government have actually employed a former Victorian policeman to give them advice on traffic. Whether they follow that advice or not is another thing.

I can remember him saying that one of the many problems was too long an interval between change of traffic lights.

Hmmm.... that might be perhaps a bit outdated. Maybe we can get someone more Edwardian?

I do agree if you love Chiang Mai you have lived A sheltered live.But for him to go on ranting on about it is rediculious.

I do agree if you love Chiang Mai you have lived A sheltered live.

Total BS!..