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Yes it is very nice looking I must admit despite being a conical Chinese bike hater.

8 years old, OP you sure has taken good care of it, well done man.

Never heard of a 'conical Chinese bike"

How about 'conical Chinese hat " ..That makes sense..

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/819075-malaysian-man-arrested-for-stealing-big-bike/?p=9329103

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What does a 'beef' have to do with anything?

You've misunderstood the point being made in the article- of course you can't shift with the balls of your feet on the pegs, but when actually shifting is the only time your feet should be in that forward position. The balls of your feet should be on the pegs until it's necessry to make a move to the shift lever (obviously- even on a tight track- you spend more time between shifts than you actually spend in the act of moving the lever)- this allows you to properly position your body to prepare for the upcoming turn. You go from the balls of your feet to moving forward and making the necessary shift(s) as quickly as possible, and then back to the balls of your feet. Foot position is not only about shifting on a sportbike.

As it says, anytime your not shifting or braking, the balls of your feet belong on the pegs- this will be the majority of the time you're in the saddle.

Yes, it's a personal choice, but that doesn't mean you're necessarliy making the best or correct choice, especially for performance riding. For cruising, sure, feet back is fine, but on the bike in question in the OP, anything but a rearward position is going to lead to shifting difficulties (QED with the OP's experience, where others with the same bike and similarly-sized feet have no issues).

What does a 'beef' have to do with anything?

No beef

Not trying to start an argument or tension.

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What does a 'beef' have to do with anything?

You've misunderstood the point being made in the article- of course you can't shift with the balls of your feet on the pegs, but when actually shifting is the only time your feet should be in that forward position. The balls of your feet should be on the pegs until it's necessry to make a move to the shift lever (obviously- even on a tight track- you spend more time between shifts than you actually spend in the act of moving the lever)- this allows you to properly position your body to prepare for the upcoming turn. You go from the balls of your feet to moving forward and making the necessary shift(s) as quickly as possible, and then back to the balls of your feet. Foot position is not only about shifting on a sportbike.

As it says, anytime your not shifting or braking, the balls of your feet belong on the pegs- this will be the majority of the time you're in the saddle.

Yes, it's a personal choice, but that doesn't mean you're necessarliy making the best or correct choice, especially for performance riding. For cruising, sure, feet back is fine, but on the bike in question in the OP, anything but a rearward position is going to lead to shifting difficulties (QED with the OP's experience, where others with the same bike and similarly-sized feet have no issues).

Ok thank you for clarifying this I can concede that it is correct to do as you say but it is not very common..

My bad

On a sportbike or standard with the rear-sets positioned behind the rider's knees, riding with the balls of your feet on the pegs is correct if you're on a road or in a traffic situation that requires a lot of gear changes- I always do this unless I'm droning along on the highway and don't expect to do much shifting or repositioning of my body to set up for a turn, in which case I might move my feet a bit forward as it's a more comfortable position, but I have to move my left foot back again to properly shift. On a cruiser it may be a different story, but I have no real reference for that.

This article from Sport Rider Magazine references the proper technique:

http://www.sportrider.com/body-positioning-and-steering-techniques

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I have no beef with you..(DELETED)...but you say this; " riding with the balls of your feet on the pegs is correct if you're on a road or in a traffic situation that requires a lot of gear changes"

How can you make a lot of gear changes when the balls of your feet are on the footrests?

The link you provided says totally the opposite to your words; Anytime you're not using your feet for shifting or applying the rear brake, place the ball of your foot on the footpeg.

I think also that it is a personal choice..what is ''correct'' for some is not the same for others.

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Duhhhh i know that. .

But back to basics..give the trolling me a break and try and quantify your bizarre comments on two threads...this one first...you said that riding with balls of the feet on the footrests is ''correct"..i disputed this...now what you should do is either to agree that you were wrong and i am right [correct choice] or put up some evidence to the contrary...

Which is what exactly?

Balls on the pegs. You must have very long toes if they can reach the gear lever from that position.

Balls on the pegs??

Correct???..certainly beneficial for serious race track riding [if competent] but not at all " correct " and or necessary for 99.9 % of riders on the roads....

Yeah, you're right. Absolutely not necessary for riding 100cc step thru's

If i recall correctly the OP does in fact ride a wave,but his query relates to CB and CBR's...so please try and keep up here..

Balls on the pegs??

Doesn't that hurt a LOT when you hit a bump ?

Yeh,for sure, and sometimes mine are black and blue...

Which is what exactly?

Balls on the pegs. You must have very long toes if they can reach the gear lever from that position.

Balls on the pegs??

Correct???..certainly beneficial for serious race track riding [if competent] but not at all " correct " and or necessary for 99.9 % of riders on the roads....

I think I held my breath for the last 2 laps. One of the great Rossi battles on the books again.

The finish is right up there with the 2009 Rossi vs Lorenzo at Cataluna or Rossi vs Stoner at Laguna Seca.

Real highlight material in this latest race.

The TV production has come a long way in motorbike racing. Really good now. With all the remote cameras, great announcers, great directing, shots of the pit crew going nuts, the personalities of the top riders and the drama with Marques, Lorenzo, Rossi battling for the championship these last several years.

It's the most exciting sport on TV these days.

Yep,for sure was a great MGP..and as you say the production for at home enthusiasts viewing is amazing,,,,Rossi is in great form [still] and will be taking it to the new young guns for a fair while longer....The Ducs ,at least in this race were really on form and their acceleration down the straights was ahead of the other makes, a lot of developement catch-up to do from the others before next races....Marques was really unlucky this race..he is a very good rider,but mistakes can and do happen on track to the best of them...next race will show the real trend for the rest of the season IMO...It is 2nd most exiting sport on TV in my eyes..2nd only tho' to MMA...Thats just my take, but the two of them are very watchable at all times..

Modern bikes have incredible braking power and it's very easy to grab at the brakes with all four fingers in a panic which will almost certainly result in a tumble, especially at the slow speeds in city traffic. Mind you, I am talking here about speeds up to about 50 kmh

I agree about the brakes being powerful...As for the rest??...This is maybe true in your experience,and for any novice,but any competent,confident rider will not do as you say....

To me it's just part of life in Thailand..and let the locals go about their business as they see fit...but i often do just shake my head when i do see a bike approaching at night without headlight illumination and the only reason its not visible is because of all the goodies in the front basket obscuring the working light...a simple small rearrangement may let enough light through to serve as an indication of the bikes presence at least ,if not to light up the road ahead...but its very common and you just have top be aware at all times.

The simplest answer to any question about the difference in Thai behaviour to ours is because they are stupid, and as you can see, a few simpletons have already made an appearance, making exactly that comment. Nothing new there.

How many years is it since road safety campaigns started in the west? My guess is 50 or more. Why did the respective governments introduce these campaigns? Because everyone was stupid, right? They were introduced because, like people the world over, most westerners had a 'it won't happen to me' attitude. Thais have the same attitude and just like Westerners back then, they have their superstitions/religious beliefs to protect them. Does anyone remember St. christopher, or lucky rabbit's feet?

Whereas we have had the benefit of 50 years of road safety campaigns I would say that the very few road safety campaigns here started only a few years ago. Consequently, Thais have the same attitude to road safety now, as we did before the campaigns. And despite the constant reminders of road safety back home, plenty of people living here, when given the chance, choose to ignore those words of advice and drive without helmets or seat-belts and possibly broken lights.

How many people back home would not wear a seatbelt or helmet if they knew for sure that they could get away with it, or if they hadn't had 50 years of constant reminders of the dangers? Plenty, possibly most, I would say. Most Westerners views on road safety have been shaped by the 50 years of reminders and it would be fair to assume that in the absence of those reminders we would probably be acting no differently to present-day Thais. If we were all so clever and so worried about dying, especially without the benefit of believing in rebirth, we should have always been so safety-minded and wouldn't have needed a government to spell out the dangers in the first place!

So, I hate to dissapoint so many people but it may well be that Thais are not as stupid as you think. They are at a different stage of development and are on average less educated or informed as we are on these matters but that is not the same as being stupid.

I will give some advice to those that live here and spend most of their days getting angry and frustrated because the locals don't do things the way that you do, and I know there are plenty of them on this forum. It's not that difficult really, and I still do it occasionally, even after all these years. Are you ready? Are you sitting comfortably?

Here is my advice, my theory, what I made up, what I figured out, by myself, just me, and no-one else. ........

If you don't understand why someone is behaving differently to how you would behave, then instead of jumping to the conclusion that they must be stupid, consider first that it may just be that they are different. If you discount the 'stupid' theory completely and look for an alternative explanation, the likelihood of you understanding people is greatly enhanced. The likelihood of you realising that they are not much different to anyone else in the world is also increased.

After a while of using this technique you'll soon discover that life is a lot less stressful, that you understand people a bit better and before you know it, you'll find that you no longer start sentences with the words "these people ..... " or say that Thais are Pathetic, stupid, idiotic, crazy, mind-blowing, empty-headed, miscreants,. All of which popped up in this topic. You may even find yourself not needing to go onto forums to ask daft questions!

One more thing..... Comparing them to chickens and deer doesn't help.

Got to agree with you on this one 100%

Teaching novices to always cover the brake lever sure is wrong. An emergency stop is a really dangerous thing to do in traffic. And it usually does not start with moving the fingers on the brake lever. It starts with recognising a dangerous situation and making the decision that an emergency stop is needed. While deciding to do so there usually is enough time to move your fingers on the lever and most people would do so automatically.

Wrapping the fingers around the throttle gives the rider/novice more control. Later as an experienced rider you can decide on your own what to do. And some people start doing things with a racing attitude in mind. Why not, riding bikes is for having fun. Live and let live. Just my opinion.

You crashed on your scooter recently due to a little rain in Bangkok, presumably due to not reading the conditions correctly. In that sense, I agree that you should follow the OP's advice about emergency braking as that advice if obviously aimed at novices attempting to obtain their first licence.

I seem to remember you also crashed and injured yourself recently ; definitely due to not reading the conditions correctly

As a novice yourself, i can only hope that you also practice as you speak above.

otw:

You must know Carol Jidzada,

British cycle-roadcraft instructor of repute, yes?

You both preach the same catechism.

I cannot see any preaching at all, they have just taken the time to pass on what is being taught in UK and Europe from somebody who has actually worked in the motorcycle training industry in what is an incredibly difficult, expensive and time consuming country in which to get a motorbike licence, they have then backed up reasoning by giving the justification as to why it has been taught this way for many years

It is advice, you can take it or leave it but personally I think this is useful and I will take onboard what I think may help then again I don't profess to know it all and I am always willing to listen to well thought out information especially on something that could save my life....

Be your own judge

Why not put in your own words from your own short time riding experiences your own techniques [if any] instead of constantly posting other peoples experiences on youtube vids..

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Brake fluid is hydroscopic (fluid that absorbs water)

Actually its not hydroscopic..its hygroscopic..

Bloke down our way did 12 miles in a day, a couple of weeks back - absolute madness in my book..........

12 miles?

We ride 12 miles per day around Pattaya easily.

The track is not built to real F1 standards, so you will never get a major international race event there. Plus only mad-dogs and Englishmen would drive 5-6 hours to sit in the bleachers at a sporting event in 35-40 degree heat.

"Construction of the CIC commenced in 2013 with an FIA Grade 2 rating that would be certified for Formula 3 racing. But the circuit's owners, led by former politician Newin Chidchob, later upgraded the construction to 1T rating, meaning that it could accommodate Formula 1 testing, and recently went further to adjust the track to pass the FIA Grade 1 rating, allowing Formula 1 racing to be held. Meanwhile, it also conforms to the FIM Grade A rating for Moto GP racing. "....

Is discussing the size of the instrument of his death really appropriate under the circumstances?

Karen, the issue is terminology. The dimensions discussed are the diameter of the projectile or the interior diameter of the bore of the barrel. Caliber is an inch-based measure, while millimeter is metric. A pistol in 11mm is not a usual nomenclature, it would be more likely to be a .44 caliber or a .45 caliber--.44/.45 of an inch or 10.9mm/11.43mm.

Try wherever this guy went:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/675940-where-can-you-buy-a-good-cheap-2nd-hand-electric-tooth-brush/

Isn't that a coincidence... same OP ....but different ..wink, wink..

Rea was really on his game today...Sykes will be a little worried already IMO...Kudos To Troy Bayliss..going to fully retire now.....he did well considering all those years out of the game..

Ho hum, it appears that Richard is boring ed again...

Watching on 690 [true visions] not a bad first race.....The riders really seem to like the new track...kudos to Chang..

What lap times were they posting ?

Rea...1.34's average...

Watching on 690 [true visions] not a bad first race.....The riders really seem to like the new track...kudos to Chang..