Cory1848

23 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

I think Trumps right. And it's not racist.

 

Name me one country run by Blacks in Africa that any American black person (or white  or Asian for that matter) would willingly relocate to ? 

I think that most people would be happy to move to most any country in Africa if they had a purpose for doing so, related to work or family or whatever. Granted, a few places would be troublesome, like the CAR, South Sudan, swathes of the Sahel, parts of Nigeria. I wouldn’t move with my family to Maiduguri, or certainly not Mogadishu. Most other places would be fine!

But this is so off the point. The issue is, immigrants coming to the United States, and here Trump clearly indicated that he prefers white people to black people. He is a despicable racist who shames his office and the country he so inadequately tries to represent.

3 hours ago, USPatriot said:

How many countries in africa would people like to live.

 

Not many a kid from south Africa that lives next door told me it ia dangerous so his family moved to Canada and he had to leave canada for some immigration deal and then return in 4 months soubt he will het more than 2 tourist visas here he is about 25 years old   

Dear US Patriot: Each country in Africa is just another country. Norway is just another country. Haiti is just another country. As are Thailand and the United States and 190 other places. They are all filled with people who are basically the same and want the same things out of life. If your South African neighbor had a bad experience there or thought the crime rate was too high and wanted to move elsewhere, I think that’s great and I wish him well, but that does not give you, or the bigot cretin who currently occupies the White House, any justification to dismiss an entire continent of people as a shithole. In fact, the past few days I’ve seen various references to statistics showing that immigrants to the US from developing countries (“brown people”) are more highly educated and entrepreneurial on average than white people who have lived in the US for generations, and thus contribute at least their fair share to the US economy.

16 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Fat Lady hasn't sung on this issue yet. 

The whole idea of "Mexico paying for the wall" was never real, on anyone's part. It was never anything more than an applause line at rallies.

1 hour ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

Well Cory1848 I gave you recommendation 7 minutes and 27 seconds of my time !!
It did start off slow and I was a little bored with the uninteresting lyrics ( except for the Floyd quote ) .
BUT , it did build up to a nice crescendo and certainly got the crowd going. The singer reminded me of Morrissey ( that’s a good thing IMO ).
I imagine being in that crowd with that rising music would be a pretty cool experience.
Not knocking it, or saying it’s the best music from last century either.

Here’s the video:
Interested to see what others make of it .

 

As you know most posters on this thread prefer stuff from the 60’s and 70’s, like myself. But I’m always open to new ideas !!
My idea of modern music is Muse and Foo Fighters !!

Thanks for checking it out! The crowd at Madison Square Garden was certainly into it; looks like a fun concert. It's been a while since I've seen a rock band in a packed arena like that, although I went to plenty of Dead shows back in the day ...

5 hours ago, canuckamuck said:

Had a listen to LCD Soundsystem, It's not so bad, I could handle it, maybe if a Listened a few more times I would like it, but it seemed fairly shallow. I get the impression its one guy with a high end keyboard setup. It's not likely to define a generation, or perhaps it does and that would be sad.

You’re right, it’s basically one guy (James Murphy, who’s nearly fifty) who assembles musicians around him, but I think that kind of arrangement has been common enough through the decades. And, I agree, some of the more electronic-oriented music leaves me a bit cold, but other times (especially in live clips) the band (with real guitars and drums) gets into a groove that builds in layers, and it’s infectious as all get-out – the live version of the song “All My Friends” at a packed Madison Square Garden that’s on YouTube is great, especially the last few minutes when the band goes into a frenzy. Or “Call the Police,” at Live with Jools Holland (also on YouTube).

Murphy has been at the center of the EDM/DJ scene in New York for about 25 years and is very much a known quantity. I don’t know where he “ranks” among his peers in that scene, but I think he and his band are as talented at what they do as bands that I grew up listening to are at what they did (and some still do; god knows what’s keeping Keith Richards alive). But more important, Murphy “talks” to his thousands of fans, mostly thirty years junior to me, in the same way that my musical heroes talked to me when I was in my twenties. I think that’s a beautiful thing, and I’m not going to impose any value judgments on it.

1 hour ago, canuckamuck said:

I know there is some clever Indy stuff out there, but it is hard to sort through.

 

Actually, it's not hard to sort through -- if you're interested in music, read a few online zines every now and then like Pitchfork Reviews, then watch YouTube clips of bands that sound interesting. Pitchfork's contributors write intelligently and know music backward and forward. And trying to compare Led Zeppelin with, say, LCD Soundsystem is fruitless at best; is one "greater" than the other? Who the heck knows? Without taking anything away from Led Zeppelin, I find LCD Soundsystem to be inventive, brilliant, and fun to listen to. Happy listening!

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If they were so influential, how come I don't know a single song they made?

So your criteria is not "best" (however that's defined) or "most influential," but "music that you've heard of," which seems to be classic rock (and not even all of that). You said somewhere else you'd never heard anything by the Clash, which apparently is enough to disqualify them, for instance. If you've never heard of the Velvet Underground, why don't you find Lou Reed's early live album "Rock and Roll Animal," which has mostly VU songs and which I think you might like. Give it a try -- it might open up something new for you!

16 hours ago, Andaman Al said:

 

 

 

https://www.mediamatters.org/blog/2014/11/06/medical-experts-condemn-foxs-keith-ablow-shamef/201486

 

Read the link and what Ablow was saying about Obama and Ebola - how Obama welcomed the presence of Ebola in the USA because he has an affinity for Africa!

 

Fox is really aiming well at it's target audience. My oh my!

 

 

Thank you. Generally it takes about three nanoseconds of rooting around online to expose these sham "pundits."

5 hours ago, JLCrab said:

The topic title is Best Music from the last century not music you liked from the last century with pickings from all over the place. I would go with these 5 as Best (and most influential) POP music from the last century in no order:

 

The Beatles

The Rolling Stones

The Beach Boys

Jimi Hendrix

Bob Dylan 

 

If you mean most influential from the 1960s, there's no way to leave off the Velvet Underground, who have been the basis for decades of great music that came later.

6 hours ago, Ulysses G. said:

I really liked them in the beginning, but, to me, the songwriting went down hill after Marr left. I didn't like them much after that.

From what I understand, it was Johnny Marr who left the band on his own volition -- he'd gotten bored with the Smiths. Morrissey wanted him to stay. Although I'm sure the situation was a lot more complicated than that.

2 hours ago, NonthaburiBear said:

i haven't see any post about this band..  M for Morrisey , Marr and Manchester

 

Given the traffic I've read here, I'm afraid the Smiths are too "recent" for most people posting. Morrissey and Marr were indeed one of the greatest songwriting/performing partnerships in rock. I actually didn't get around to appreciating them until I was in my fifties, some twenty years after their heyday.

20 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Of course Donald J. Trump is a very smart man.  The problem is his detractors can't stand that fact. 

I hate to state the obvious, but any person who is reduced to calling himself a "genius" ... clearly isn't.

6 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Back in the sixties, everything was new and untried. The Beatles, Stones, Kinks and on and on were the first and original. Experimentation was everywhere. The beginning of Rock'n'Roll is still well within living memory. 

Nowadays, much, much harder to be original as so much has already been done.

Far too early to guess what will last. I think in a hundred years time, much of this music will be re-designated as Classical music and I doubt very much if the young will actually listen to it.

It's harder to be original, but many musicians still manage; there are micro-scenes everywhere. Most innovation these days under the very broad heading of "rock music" seems to be in various iterations of hip-hop and electronic dance music. I know very little about these forms, but I appreciate that they provide forums in which younger musicians can be just as inventive and creative as the earlier rock-and-rollers were. (And these forms of course have themselves been around for at least a generation already.) I would guess though that in a hundred years at least as many people will still listen to various "rock and roll" musicians from our era as today listen to classical music.

22 minutes ago, KarenBravo said:

Last century has the best music? Nope. Not if longevity is the deciding factor. 18th and 19th centuries is the best. Mozart, Beethoven, Chopin and a bunch of others.

I doubt very much if any sizable portion of the music of the 20th century will be played in the 21st and 22nd century.

You're probably right; what's most likely to last from the twentieth century is jazz and perhaps blues and some forms of indigenous music. Although we'll never know, will we! Given how easily music can be preserved, people may well continue to return to it. Karen Dalton, a Greenwich Village folkie from the 1960s, dropped off the face of the earth, but her music has recently been resurrected to wide acclaim, fifty years later. This may continue to happen. Comparing her to Chopin is not really useful.

2 minutes ago, malibukid said:

you can still find some great music in small clubs around the world, it just never gets played or goes mainstream.  most of the time you have to buy the CD at the door which is cool.  all cost go directly to the band. i kinda like that.  i remember execs at Warners throwing a fit when the Dead stated to let Tapers into their shows. finally the "suits" realized that it was a great marketing tool.  lol

And you can get the band members to sign your copy of the CD! I remember having a conversation with Jon Langford of the Mekons after one of their shows, when some band members mingled with the crowd after the show. The Mekons are not "mainstream" but they've been around forever and have put out a few dozen albums.

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Would you mind providing some names?

The rock music I like most usually gets classified as “indie rock,” or “independent-label,” meaning the artists maintain some control over their music, although these artists/bands all have wide followings, among sixty-somethings as well as young adults, and get good marketing. My Morning Jacket, the Drive-By Truckers, Dinosaur Jr., and Sleater-Kinney pretty much play straight-up rock and roll; Arcade Fire, Okkervil River, and the Decemberists go off in other directions. The Walkmen and Parquet Courts have done some brilliant work in the past five years or so. LCD Soundsystem is more dance oriented. Then there are people like Nick Cave and Robyn Hitchcock, who have been around for almost as long as Bob Dylan or Neil Young (or Richard Thompson, another of the “greats”). Sonic Youth did their best work in the 1990s but I’m listening more to them now; if their song “Youth against Fascism” (1992) doesn’t make you jump up and down, you’ve got broken legs!

5 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

To me, rap, hip hop and DJs' crap are to music what chewing gum is to fine cooking!

It's entirely a matter of personal taste, not the quality of the product!

22 minutes ago, Brunolem said:

1978 marked the advent of disco and punk "music", acting as the first line of demolishers.

I agree, but in a totally different way. After Woodstock flamed out at Altamont and devolved into the limpid southern California sound of the early 1970s, punk and disco (and the other genre that you didn’t mention that developed at that time, hip-hop), gave rock music exactly what it needed: a swift kick in the butt. Your word “demolished” is accurate, but that’s a good thing, isn’t it? Isn’t that sort of what rock and roll is all about? Going back to Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry and Elvis sneaking into juke joints to listen to race music?

39 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not entirely true. I love trance, and other types of "modern" music. I just don't consider them "the best". I can't name a single "supergroup" that started after 2000.

 

BTW, I love Viennese waltzes and some classical music too, along with Irish rebel songs and ballads. The trouble with having too wide a taste in music is that it's hard to listen to all of it. At the moment I've got Connie Francis on.

I hear you on that, and especially on not having enough time to listen to all the great music that’s out there. (And kudos for having an appreciation for trance!) On “supergroups" or what's "the best," I hesitate; it’s so subjective. Talking exclusively about “anglophone rock music” for lack of a better term, it’s hard to top something like “Exile on Main Street,” but if I want to listen to that, I’ll put on the Rolling Stones. Bands that came later like the Replacements (1980s) or Sonic Youth (1990s), or in this century acts like PJ Harvey and Arcade Fire, have been just as inventive and vital and reflective of their times. The past several months I’ve listened a lot to Parquet Courts and the Walkmen, fresh and genuine and very talented. I don’t know if Parquet Courts will ever be called a “supergroup,” but they sure sound good to me!

On 12/26/2017 at 12:52 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

Is that because talent is no longer being born, or is it that commercialism has destroyed good music in favour of rubbish that appeals to the masses?

What’s happened hasn’t happened to musical talent: it’s happened to you. You’ve gotten older. There’s tons of great music being made today by people in their twenties and thirties; you just have to open your ears to it. And it’s nothing new that people get stuck on music they listened to when they were young and come to believe that everything that came after is substandard. My mother told me that, as a teenager in Europe in the 1930s, she’d wander around the streets of her city, her head filled with decadent Viennese waltzes, while her parents kept hoping she’d focus more on the German classical composers.

26 minutes ago, jeffandgop said:

Dukes

Yes, Dukes, but book early; they sell out!

Peppina's in Bangkok (Sukhumvit Soi 33) is pretty decent; they claim to adhere to guidelines set by the Associazione Verace Pizza Napoletana (not sure if they fly in the required variety of tomato on a daily basis). But you have to travel to Bangkok. Don't know of any places in Pattaya that do this ...

Here are pictures and a video of the Poy Luang:

http://www.chiangmai-then-and-now.com/poy-luang-hotel/

7 minutes ago, DeaconJohn said:

That's the old Poy Luang Hotel.

It was the tallest building in Chiang Mai in the late '70s. It had a long run as a luxury hotel - along with the Chiang Inn - until the 5-stars were built on Huay Kaew in the early '80s.

That's probably the closest thing to what the OP is looking for.

But for really spooky abandoned buildings he's in the wrong city. He should try Bangkok and check out Sathorn Unique aka The Ghost Tower, a 49 story building that has been abandoned for 20 years. At night it's a veritable Kirk Alloway of devilish activity.

The ubiquitous graffiti [some of it quite good] make it seem like a house of horrors.

Very few farangs have the cojones to go in after dark, but a daytime visit can be arranged by paying 200 baht or so to the "security guards".

Watch your back whenever you go or you might end up like the young Swede who was found hanging in a room on the 43rd floor.

 

 

Thanks -- I had it totally wrong, and I'm glad to know what that building is/was. And next time I'm in BKK I'll check out the Ghost Tower -- lots of pictures online, looks amazing! --

There's a huge multistory structure (abandoned hotel project?) on the corner of the Superhighway and Charoen Mueang Road (which goes past the train station), the southwest corner. It's unfinished and has been for years, so it's a concrete shell, with a big round room at the top that may have been planned as a restaurant. I can't recommend trying to get inside -- access is most likely prohibited, and/or there may be squatters or criminals (there's graffiti), I really have no idea. But you might be able to get close to it and get some decent pictures in the right lighting conditions.