Melyn

Far too many shootings go unresolved. Now that they've caught one of the villains I hope they find out who his paymaster was.

We all do. But that's only half the job.

Dealing with the head of the snake is the tough bit.

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So the provided implication being the army did it,

not that the army actually did, but this is how you

create a narrative that the leadership wants at the moment.

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Q. You know for sure that the army didn't do it - because? A.Well it's the army isn't it and it fits into your "anyone but Thaksin/PTP/UDD" narrative.

How about for once accepting that maybe, just maybe, the army did do it?

I thought it was bad enough with rivalex buying the prayuth story about the military always being the victims.

As with so many of these incidents:

Absence of police

Very few arrests

Police trying to implicate the army

So it concerns me greatly when the police work investigation attacks against PDRC have gone nowhere despite the amount of evidence in the public domain

It also concerns me that attacks against the reds have resulted in police statements about the army such as early on in the Laksi gunfight only for them to be retracted later.

It concerns me how the police are massively alligned to Thaksin and the red shirts when they should be impartial

It concerns me when the police are captured on film attacking an ambulance attending injured protesters

And it concerns me when culprits that the PDRC have caught turn out to be police

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Forgot to include he was Mr. Matuemang 39, from Narathiwat , that was part of his statements to the police and that he did a re-enactment of the shooting from the back of a pickup truck covered by a blue trap and the other two Sargent's gave him and the other Sgt, the OK to shoot.They had cased the victim movements to decide the best time to shoot him!Cheers

So it was all a big trap involving 2 policemen.

That's more conceivable.

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Wrong!! Not policeman, active duty Army Sargent's serving in the south! Came all the way up from the deep south to do a hit in the North, a contract shooting!

Cheers

I was quoting from your original post. Are you changing your story?

Army? Where is the evidence of this?

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Its reported in the other paper

The online (application) article makes no reference to the army.

Is there something else?

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This mornings issue of BP newspaper front page!

Peace

Nope.

Does it say "army"?

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the EC are as rotten as you can get. EC should be working on behalf of the people, not Suthep.

When all the dust settles, open a public investigation into the behavior of the EC and bring these sneaky rats to account.

I'm sure The Boss has already sent a message to Tart to that effect.

I see your spellchecker has a Freudian sense of humour.

Tarit. Anything you want him to be.

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CMPO. Must stand for fascist Shinawatra thug police or something similar.

The is the new Gestapo

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Reforming the mostly post 2006 coup, military hand picked Constitutional Court and the EC should be first on the list... two of the most rotten, bias groups, they are meant to serve the law and the people, instead they serve only powerful interests.

If that were the case then the PTP cheats and liars would all be locked up.

Problem is the CC has been way too lenient.

In most western civilisations the government would have been dealt with.

Your opinion therefore is burned

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Forgot to include he was Mr. Matuemang 39, from Narathiwat , that was part of his statements to the police and that he did a re-enactment of the shooting from the back of a pickup truck covered by a blue trap and the other two Sargent's gave him and the other Sgt, the OK to shoot.They had cased the victim movements to decide the best time to shoot him!Cheers

So it was all a big trap involving 2 policemen.

That's more conceivable.

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Wrong!! Not policeman, active duty Army Sargent's serving in the south! Came all the way up from the deep south to do a hit in the North, a contract shooting!

Cheers

I was quoting from your original post. Are you changing your story?

Army? Where is the evidence of this?

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Its reported in the other paper

The online (application) article makes no reference to the army.

Is there something else?

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Forgot to include he was Mr. Matuemang 39, from Narathiwat , that was part of his statements to the police and that he did a re-enactment of the shooting from the back of a pickup truck covered by a blue trap and the other two Sargent's gave him and the other Sgt, the OK to shoot.They had cased the victim movements to decide the best time to shoot him!Cheers

So it was all a big trap involving 2 policemen.

That's more conceivable.

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Wrong!! Not policeman, active duty Army Sargent's serving in the south! Came all the way up from the deep south to do a hit in the North, a contract shooting!

Cheers

I was quoting from your original post. Are you changing your story?

Army? Where is the evidence of this?

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"We would be prepared to clash with the PDRC if it tried to establish an unelected People's Council, he said.

The DP is badly burned finally to have to say this specifically and remarkably clearly to Thais in Thailand and to the world abroad. The DP even brought in a new face in its obvious ongoing PR campaign to try to recover its complete fall from grace in Thailand and abroad.

From absolute democracy to absolute disaster and a frantic damage control operation.

A sad and sorry bunch which is a day late and a dollar short.

No sale.

The Dems may be a little singed however the PTP, who clearly play with the devil in his fiery lair are blackened and carbonised piles of soot fit only for disposal in an environmentally controlled refuse tip.

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Forgot to include he was Mr. Matuemang 39, from Narathiwat , that was part of his statements to the police and that he did a re-enactment of the shooting from the back of a pickup truck covered by a blue trap and the other two Sargent's gave him and the other Sgt, the OK to shoot.They had cased the victim movements to decide the best time to shoot him!Cheers

So it was all a big trap involving 2 policemen.

That's more conceivable.

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Well either the Thais are incapable of writing laws or the minions reading them can't understand them. How you can get to a situation where the government doesn't really know if the vote will be valid or not given it will not be held on one day as the constitution seems to require and that there must be some interpretation of what has to now happen sort of sums up the whole sorry process. How can anyone have any confidence in a place that seems to have trouble with the most basic and fundamental requirements of a democracy. It would be funny but ordinary people with ordinary lives suffer because of the lack of responsibility and ethics of these scumbags on both sides.

Someone help Thailand please!

We're certainly at a junction.

Either the Constitution is not sophisticated enough or the unfolding of events is too complex for it.

You can see why the EC may say that the only option is to scrap it and start again

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If a constitution allows a tiny gang of troublemakers to obstruct a national election by obstructing no more than 6% of polling stations then it is obviously not fit for purpose. I think it's an appalling state of affairs that just five HiSo appointed commissioners and a handful of judges can hold a country of 67 million people to ransom.

You really need to look at the root cause.

The cheating and lying in the house over the amnesty bill, the senate bill, the 2.2T loan bill and the foreign government bill is what triggered this - in particular the lack of punishment for the frightful crimes against democracy.

Had there been a working mechanism for this then we wouldn't have had the street protest with all the associated outrage.

The election law itself works in most cases although obviously not in this contorted instance. The law should be amended to put the full power in the EC's hands over election date to that their recommendations cannot be overruled by self-serving caretaker governments.

So Suthep is quite right to insist on reform preelection although he has no more claim to selecting a reform council that my cat.

Rugby starts in 40 minutes and you Irish boys will be crying in O'Driscoll's beer before the Bangkok day has turned.

Cymru am byth.

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The sad truth about Thailand is that democracy can be obstructed to the point that it is meaningless exercise, Then 'law abiding' citizens, like those who write editorials for the Nation, can point to the Constitution to say this is the 'way things should be'. The 'rule of law' was abandoned when the elections were obstructed. What follows will be a meaningless exercise in interpreting a Constitution that has become a document that isn't worth the paper on which it is written.

It was meaningless long before that when a corrupt government decided to remove the checks and balances and not face accountability on the rice scam.

If they had the two trillion baht loan they would have paid the rice farmers with it even though it was not for that.

Corrupt.. incompetent.. thinking that because they were voted in it was ok.

When did they remove the checks and balances? They are facing accountability aren't they? Isn't that what the investigations are about? Isn't that one of the 'ticking time bombs'?

And then we shall hear the sound of "judicial coup" in every thread and whilst it will make a refreshing change from "fascist thugs" it will be just as misplaced.

Will that be your chorus too?

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He may well find it easier than the propaganda-copiers think. Most of those farmers currently protesting are not from core Isan country . Those that are allowed to protest by the red mobs of course. I can't help wondering if the good old Thaksin 'democratic' trick of ensuring that his supporters are first in the payment queue is still the case.

I mention propaganda because the of the number of times the lie that Suthep is responsible for non-payment for pledged rice occurs is ridiculously high. He'll be blamed for the swine flu outbreak in Chiang Mai next

As of 31 January the top 5 unpaid provinces, waiting for rice-pledge money, were Nakhon Sawan,Kamphaengphet, Pichit, Ubon Ratchathani and Phitsanulok. Coincidentally provinces with large Democrat support prior to the 2011 elections.

If that's the case then the NACC and CC should be Lamphuning Yingluck and her cabinet sauvignon

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Now... Let's take a look at those who have fled Thailand.

Thaksin

Arisman

Ko Tee

Yoobamroong times 3

What do they all having common?

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You missed Chalerm.

No. He is there with 2 sons. Did I miss a son?

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Ok sorry my misreading, you meant 3 once each, not one 3 times.

My ambiguous shorthand

Matches my deep pockets!!

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He constantly outwits the dull government.

All Yingluck can say is the word ' democracy' , Surapong and Paraodon sit looking glum, Plodprasop has disappeared' and as for the fearless Dr Chalerm- plainly, he's enjoying his war of words with Suthep to compete for the most broken deadlines.

And............. the government is still a caretaker government awaiting the results of an democratrically held election which may result in the caretaker government become a full government again.

And............. suthep is still frantically trying to recruit new converts to his failing cause, and is wanted on murder and sedition charges.

Mmmm, constantly outwitting the government?

the caretaker government is also awaiting a court case which may get them all unceremoniously thrown out on their arse...and rightly so.. How can you keep defending the indefensible?

And lets face it...how hard is it to outwit a half wit government?

And it can't happen soon enough.

Outwit the halfwits. I like that.

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Now... Let's take a look at those who have fled Thailand.

Thaksin

Arisman

Ko Tee

Yoobamroong times 3

What do they all having common?

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You missed Chalerm.

No. He is there with 2 sons. Did I miss a son?

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Yes, he has three sons, the third has seemingly kept his nose clean unlike the other two.

Did the one with the clean nose also clean toilets perchance?

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Now... Let's take a look at those who have fled Thailand.

Thaksin

Arisman

Ko Tee

Yoobamroong times 3

What do they all having common?

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You missed Chalerm.

No. He is there with 2 sons. Did I miss a son?

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Melyn, on 08 Feb 2014 - 13:47, said:

Now... Let's take a look at those who have fled Thailand.

Thaksin

Arisman

Ko Tee

Yoobamroong times 3

What do they all having common?

Thaksin didn't flee Thailand. He was abroad when the coup took place. He just decided to delay his return a while. He was then tried "in absentia".

You really should know your facts before you post......

He was here for most of the trial, saw which way it was heading, was foolishly allowed to go to the Beijing Olympics and never returned.

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It must be fresh from the little red book of accounting I would think

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Well, the suthep book of accounting would be a best seller I would imagine.

He must be some accountant,

if he had 347 Million baht debt against 210 million baht assets in 2012,

Suthep, meanwhile, was seen as the poorest member of the former Cabinet in terms of outstanding debts, which stand at Bt347.578 million compared to assets worth Bt210.95 million. Upon leaving office a year ago, Suthep declared assets worth Bt95.64 million compared to Bt81.607 million he had upon taking office. The former minister said the huge difference was due to the Bt267.33 million loans he had taken, including Bt248.57 million borrowed from the Islamic Bank of Thailand.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/politics/Korn-declared-richest-Democrat-while-Sutheps-debts-30191739.html

320 Million baht debt in 2014,

But the NACC revealed further that the former Surat Thani MP Suthep Thaugsuban, leader of the People’s Democratic Reform Committee, had more debt than asset.

Suthep has 210 million baht asset but has 320 million baht debts.

http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/nacc-says-yingluck-richer-suthep-poorer/

and in January still managed to find 280 million baht to buy land.

The Islamic Bank of Thailand must be very understanding as well, I think, but who knows, perhaps he bought the land for the Bank, perhaps they need a new Head Office in the south?

He's proved to be a master at attacking corrupt government

He may have been good at bookkeeping

He doesn't seem to good at managing his assets

I believe I read something about him selling assets to fund this campaign.

This will probably prove to be a transfer of assets to his kids to circumvent an anticipated freezing of accounts

He has the debts, kids have the assets and if he gets an Ekayuth then all is well financially

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What is the accusation trying to cause?

If 'well-wishers' donate to the 'keep suthep happy fund' why is the opposition concerned about what he used it for?

Don't supposed you keep track of the money you have donated in your lifetime... It's like giving to charities and demanding a monthly statement!!!

somtam palah

Under Thai law, you are required to declare donations you received, the amount and who you received it from, unless you are a registered charity, which he is not.

Where is Suthep's bookkeeping on the donations? I haven't seen him writing down every single name of every single person who gives him 20 or 100 or 1,000 Baht.

He just grabs the money from their hands, smiles and walks to the next one.

It must be fresh from the little red book of accounting I would think

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Very good luck to them

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Well either the Thais are incapable of writing laws or the minions reading them can't understand them. How you can get to a situation where the government doesn't really know if the vote will be valid or not given it will not be held on one day as the constitution seems to require and that there must be some interpretation of what has to now happen sort of sums up the whole sorry process. How can anyone have any confidence in a place that seems to have trouble with the most basic and fundamental requirements of a democracy. It would be funny but ordinary people with ordinary lives suffer because of the lack of responsibility and ethics of these scumbags on both sides.

Someone help Thailand please!

We're certainly at a junction.

Either the Constitution is not sophisticated enough or the unfolding of events is too complex for it.

You can see why the EC may say that the only option is to scrap it and start again

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I'm a little concerned that downtown Chiang Mai and darkest Isaan are not more vocal.

Were they fast-tracked before February 2nd I wonder?

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