btwretail

We won the war so we sit in moral judgment the Americans were never fond of che yet his image is everywhere and no one complians, what about the guys walking around with stalinist and soviet tshirts? north viet red star tshirts? no ho harr?

to many people with small minds and to much time on there hands.

ive never seen the shirts but im pretty sure and safe to say nazism didnt get this far east and anyway as said before it is a hindu and buddhist sign.

you know the pics of ur family sedan with the jumbo wheels and supercharger sticking out of the bonet? just a take on your old beat box mate so go get a life.

Please just tell me WHY then the media attention, when it comes to the Nazi-symbols and school-kids here dressing up as Nazis...??????

Why, do the media even bother? Could it be because there actually was something to report, that the media found relevant for its readers? If people could care less about someone playing Nazis, then why write stories about it?

Why did they (the Thais) apologize about the school incidents? Could it be because what they did actually was wrong? - and they did not want their country to lose face? Should they not just have said... "We do not care"...if that was the case??

Just please answer me... Why the media attention and why the apologizes?

I know the history of the swastika, but what I am seeing is not it being used in a religious perspective. I am seeing a complete ignorant use of it, with sometimes pictures of Hitler too.

What I do not understand, is that they can not get into their thick sculls that this offends many people.... That is what I do not understand.

The majority of Thais do not know much about Hitler and Nazis. What is your nationality? There were atrocities committed by a few countries throughout the centuries, what do you know about any of them? I cannot give you any examples apart from British, Irish and American history.

Well, based on Thailand being pretty dependent on tourists from countries that fought the Nazis, then the Thais should maybe think that is is not smart offending them, while they are here. Does Thailand gain face from people selling Nazi-stuff and their kids running around in Nazi-uniforms?

I am not Thai, but I still do not clap thai-people on their head or put my feet in their face. Why? Because I respect them and do not want to offend them. And this goes even when, I meet them in my country.

I still don't understand why the Nazi-symbols got so much media attention and the schools here apologized, if the topic is totally irrelevant to people. Doesn't make sense does it?

Yes, it would be a bad day for you, I do not live anywhere by you, as I am the resident and only Farang in my village. Which I greatly enjoy.

You picked the wrong part of Thailand, so much for your perception

Let me guess you live in Chiang Mai with your Lady boy, boyfriend., in a 2000 baht a month apartment.

Nothing would brighten up Thailand's scenery better then your absence!

Cheers:

I could imagine you would be very happy living in a small village with all your "Thai-friends"... Optimal conditions for a dedicated Thai-wannabe!

Its always great to hang out with people on the same intellectual- and educational level as you. The amount of brain cells and interesting discussions, in that place must be truly mind-blowing. Did you ever wondered why, you ended up in a small Thai-village as the only Farang? (I could tell you why, but will leave it up to you to think about it. I am sure you have time enough.) Also I do not want to spoil the illusion for you.

Unlike you, I would hate to see you leaving Thailand. There are so many poor people in the country side and someone needs to take care of them. You are doing a fantastic job - keep it up! And remember... Many people and buffalos are depending on you now.

Well, I better get back to my ladyboy and also have to pay my THB 2000 rent today. Have a great day and say hi to all your "brothers" and "sisters" from me. And God bless you! (Oh... sorry, I meant Buddha of course...)

You're a rather small-minded little man, aren't you btwretail? Various folks have offered you reasonable explanations without having to have a go at the locals. But all you seem to want to do is insult the Thais and attack anyone who doesn't agree with you. Clearly, you're the ignorant one.

This Nazi symbol thing is not a Thai thing, but an Asian thing...and beyond. Or to put it another way, a Nazi Chic thing. (there's even a freakin name for it!) It's a fashion thing, not a hate thing. I'm not saying it's right. And I'm not saying I agree with it. But it's just the way it is. So perhaps you can take your crusade to some of these other places and leave Thailand be.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/OA10Ae01.html

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/asia-pacific/2013/07/20137191141644129.html

http://asiaobscura.com/2012/04/nazi-fashion-in-china.html

http://bieganski-the-blog.blogspot.com/2012/07/nazi-chic-in-asia-england-and-eastern.html

You think it is wrong and you do not agree with it, but at the same time you just accept it.... You think the same way about pedophiles? Would that also be okay, if it was just a "fashion thing"?

Although I am not on any "crusade", I still find it amazing how much BS Thailand and Thais can get away with and still have peoples blind and unlimited support. Police kidnapping tourists... No problem... "Its just the way it is..." - right? Wow, its amazing!

PS. I do not recall being the one starting any personal attacks or telling people to go home.

Yes, it would be a bad day for you, I do not live anywhere by you, as I am the resident and only Farang in my village. Which I greatly enjoy.

You picked the wrong part of Thailand, so much for your perception

Let me guess you live in Chiang Mai with your Lady boy, boyfriend., in a 2000 baht a month apartment.

Nothing would brighten up Thailand's scenery better then your absence!

Cheers:

I could imagine you would be very happy living in a small village with all your "Thai-friends"... Optimal conditions for a dedicated Thai-wannabe!

Its always great to hang out with people on the same intellectual- and educational level as you. The amount of brain cells and interesting discussions, in that place must be truly mind-blowing. Did you ever wondered why, you ended up in a small Thai-village as the only Farang? (I could tell you why, but will leave it up to you to think about it. I am sure you have time enough.) Also I do not want to spoil the illusion for you.

Unlike you, I would hate to see you leaving Thailand. There are so many poor people in the country side and someone needs to take care of them. You are doing a fantastic job - keep it up! And remember... Many people and buffalos are depending on you now.

Well, I better get back to my ladyboy and also have to pay my THB 2000 rent today. Have a great day and say hi to all your "brothers" and "sisters" from me. And God bless you! (Oh... sorry, I meant Buddha of course...)

The ugly head of Nazism is raising its ugly head again, in the countries that lost so much in fighting them and suffered so much, not even in Germany is it against the law to display Nazi symbols, It only is unlawful if you connect those symbols to a political movement or cause,. The European Union did not make displaying such symbols as an infraction of the law..

Thailand or Thai's are not the problem, it is mostly a problem outside of the borders of Thailand, and centered in the US and Europe, you are not the only person who relatives fought or suffered under the Nazi's, What give you the right to abuse Thai's in their own country, if you do not like what you see in Thailand go elsewhere, to live.

People such as you give Farang's such a bad image to locals in Thailand.;

Go Home Yankee!

The typical situation over and over again...

You criticizes Thais or Thailand in any way and you will always be confronted with the Thai-wannebe Farangs, who are still hit by the "Thailand Is Perfect"-illusion and will be telling you "Just go back home". Its always... Don't say anything bad or you will have to leave! BAD BAD FARANG!... How dare you criticizes the Thais! LOL!!!

Funny that I have never meet this attitude, when talking or discussing with educated Thais. Even they, can also see that Thailand and Thais are not always perfect. But present your opinions for many Farangs here and suddenly you are turned into a "Thai-hater".

Not long ago Thai-policemen kidnapped two foreign tourist and held them hostage for ransom money. Is that a perfect country and the actions of perfect people? Am I allowed to say that this is very wrong and represents a big problem for Thailand? Will it help the Thais, if someone says this is going to far in relation to corruption? Or should we just all be quiet and smile - and of course just "Go Home", if we can not accept it? Should Thailand be a place where you can not go to the police, because of the fear of never returning?

I am not Thai, I will never be Thai and I have no wish of becoming a Thai. In other words, I am not a Thai-wannabe. But that does not make me a Thai-hater, it just makes me a realist. And "Yes" I live in their country and with Thai-people. But this does not mean, that I have to just accept everything they throw at me. If they unknowingly offend me then I say so, just like they tell me if I offend them. If different cultures are to live together in harmony and understand each others way of thinking, then they must be willing to listen and respect each other.

The claims that Thais are sooooo tolerant and non-sensitive is totally BS! Unless of course you live your life in a Go-Go bar or talk about corruption. Thais are no more tolerant or non-sensitive than other people. If you think so, it is because you are still in the illusion-phase, smartly created by the Thai Tourist industry.

And where is the tolerance, in saying that people who state their own opinion about Thais and Thailand should just "Go Home"? And how will a society ever change and become better, if people are just told to "Go Home", if they come with their own opinion?

A Thai wanna-be that's a new one to me, I am tired of the Farang's that come to Thailand on their own and then state without his retirement money Thailand would not exist., along with your Delusions of Grandeur, that you and your beliefs are superior to that of the Thai's in their own country The Nazi master race philosophy, that you states is so distasteful to you, yet you embrace its ideals. You as the self chosen one to educate Thai's to your superior beliefs.

I can not let such conceit and ignorance go unanswered, You are the usual sex-pat that comes to Thailand and live in the wild west beer bar tourist cities and make your generalization of all Thai's from those in your sex paradise.

Most Falangs I run into in Thailand want to discuss, politics, religion and the third world Thai's, I do not care or desire to mingle with such negative riff-raff the vast majority of friends I have are Thai's and a handful of Falangs. In my 12 years of living in Thailand I am not aware of offending any Thai's by what I intentionally say and or do. I have had run-ins with some Thai's when I lived in Pattaya. 10 years ago.

I find Thai's to be my preferred company and friends, I do not try to change them and have learned many ways of doing things that I did not know before, there is much to learn in Thailand, if you have an open mind.

You would never come to my house and disrespect it by sprouting your beliefs, with out being forcefully escorted out the gate!

Cheers:

First you tell me to go back home and now I am not invited to your house. What a bad day for me! ;-)

You lIved in Pattaya... What a great choice, when you want to get a taste of the real Thailand!... Let me guess... Isaan now in "your" house? (owned by your 30 year younger GF/wife)

This topic is about knowledge of history, empathy and respect. Easy to read who is lacking it. Sad !

EXACTYLY!

And also an example of how we in our part of the world, totally have lost the respect for our own history and beliefs. The Thais are actually not to blame in this, but it is us that are wrong. We are wrong by not protecting and respecting our own history, like e.g. the Thais would do if it was the other way around.

Because of our "we don't really care" attitude, we have also lost the respect from e.g. the Thais. Why respect someone, that does not really care? They laugh at the Farangs who say "Don't sell shirts like that" because they know the majority could care less.

Ever seen a Thai go to a foreign country and become a Farang-wannabe?... change religion or want to forget their basic values etc.??? They adapt, but they never turn their back on their traditions, religion, history etc. like we will do in the blink of an eye.

It truly is sad!

It's just a shirt fyi.

Do u see thais giving the salute and beating up ppl of other color?

That's the difference between someone wearing it as a fashion statement and one that believes in it.

Why don't you try printing a shirt with cartoons of Thais "sensitive matters" on it...

Wear it amongst Thais anywhere in the world and try to explain to them that it is "Just a shirt", "You don't really believe in it", "Its just for fun" and "Its just fashion"... Good luck!

PS. Let me know what hospital, you will be staying at and I will drop by with a Nazi-cake.

The Swastika is an ancient symbol which has been (and still is) used by many cultures an religions.

Go here !

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

The symbols association with Nazism is,should course, be condemned.

Oh please.

So I reckon the Thai bloke I saw the other day wearing a t-shirt saying WHITE POWER with large Nazi swastika was honoring his religion ...

We're not stupid. We know the difference.

How stupid are the Thais wearing such crap? Not sure. I don't confront them. Not worth it.

WHat you allow you condone.

What are you on about? Non-Thais have no status in Thailand to allow or disallow anything. We can kvetch though. Big time!

But do we have a right to explain to them what offends us? And would it be in their benefit to respect us, in the way they expect we respect them?

Thai's know full well that it was a symbol of some chaps in germany,

they just dont give a rats arse, and why would they ? nothing to do with them, they weren't even born.

I dont give a rats arse for the same reasons, and used to have a ww2 helmet even tho i ripped of the symbol,

unlike other helmets it stayed on without the rope, and the only reason i shifted helmet is coz i read someone got fined for not using the rope, so it lost the purpose.

If you did not care at all, then why rip off the symbol?

I think it's normal for young people to want be interested in foreign things, especially controversial ones.

I was fascinated by Chinese things like Kung <deleted>, Indian things like Yoga and also people like Genghis Khan, Che Guevara, Chairman Mao. I never realized at the time some of the terrible things these people did.

I used to be an anarchist and basically rebelled against all authority.

I remember sitting on a bus next to a student with an anarchy badge on his uniform. When I explained what anarchy meant he was shocked!

Whilst jogging around a lake in Khon Kaen recently, I saw a middle-aged woman wearing a God save the queen , sex pistols t-shirt. I wanted to say something but didn't. I have done in the past though, asking a young girl if she thought it was ok for her to wear a t-shirt with a defaced picture of my queen. AS she replied, it's all about fashion, don't take it so seriously.

Very true, it is about fashion and most people not knowing the actual meaning of what they are actually wearing.

I could however think of some images on T-shirts, that I doubt Thais would accept me calling "Just fashion"... I wonder how tolerant they would be, even if i wore it in e.g. a Thai-restaurant in my own country? Would they just smile and say... "Oh, it does not matter, I am living in his country and have to accept it". I think NOT... They would beat the shit out of me, before I even finished my meal.

The government here banned religious tattoos on foreigners... Why? Why can I not have a picture of Buddha on my big fat Farang bum, if I think that looks great or makes me look cool? Its just fashion... right? So why take it serious and make laws about it?

Respect and tolerance goes both ways!

The ugly head of Nazism is raising its ugly head again, in the countries that lost so much in fighting them and suffered so much, not even in Germany is it against the law to display Nazi symbols, It only is unlawful if you connect those symbols to a political movement or cause,. The European Union did not make displaying such symbols as an infraction of the law..

Thailand or Thai's are not the problem, it is mostly a problem outside of the borders of Thailand, and centered in the US and Europe, you are not the only person who relatives fought or suffered under the Nazi's, What give you the right to abuse Thai's in their own country, if you do not like what you see in Thailand go elsewhere, to live.

People such as you give Farang's such a bad image to locals in Thailand.;

Go Home Yankee!

The typical situation over and over again...

You criticizes Thais or Thailand in any way and you will always be confronted with the Thai-wannebe Farangs, who are still hit by the "Thailand Is Perfect"-illusion and will be telling you "Just go back home". Its always... Don't say anything bad or you will have to leave! BAD BAD FARANG!... How dare you criticizes the Thais! LOL!!!

Funny that I have never meet this attitude, when talking or discussing with educated Thais. Even they, can also see that Thailand and Thais are not always perfect. But present your opinions for many Farangs here and suddenly you are turned into a "Thai-hater".

Not long ago Thai-policemen kidnapped two foreign tourist and held them hostage for ransom money. Is that a perfect country and the actions of perfect people? Am I allowed to say that this is very wrong and represents a big problem for Thailand? Will it help the Thais, if someone says this is going to far in relation to corruption? Or should we just all be quiet and smile - and of course just "Go Home", if we can not accept it? Should Thailand be a place where you can not go to the police, because of the fear of never returning?

I am not Thai, I will never be Thai and I have no wish of becoming a Thai. In other words, I am not a Thai-wannabe. But that does not make me a Thai-hater, it just makes me a realist. And "Yes" I live in their country and with Thai-people. But this does not mean, that I have to just accept everything they throw at me. If they unknowingly offend me then I say so, just like they tell me if I offend them. If different cultures are to live together in harmony and understand each others way of thinking, then they must be willing to listen and respect each other.

The claims that Thais are sooooo tolerant and non-sensitive is totally BS! Unless of course you live your life in a Go-Go bar or talk about corruption. Thais are no more tolerant or non-sensitive than other people. If you think so, it is because you are still in the illusion-phase, smartly created by the Thai Tourist industry.

And where is the tolerance, in saying that people who state their own opinion about Thais and Thailand should just "Go Home"? And how will a society ever change and become better, if people are just told to "Go Home", if they come with their own opinion?

@Indrid, if you start the offending and insulting, by calling me a Nazi - then be prepare and brave enough to also receive some response back. You state that you have freedom of speech... well, so do I :-)

I felt offended by how you responded long before the nazi comment but who started is a rather sandbox thing to me. I allso think i recevied your comments with proper bravery and i never said you can not think the way you do, off courese you can, for now but what happens if the ones controling thinking takes over i doubt you could. Anyway i leave you with this and i wish there is way for you to get some peace with this neonazi thing because there are certain forces at play that neither you nor i can do anything about.

True :-) It out of our control anyway... Have a great day and weekend :-)

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There used to a loads of Thais wearing Sid Vicious T-shirts. I wonder if it's because he liked the swastika.

Incidentally

The Thai greeting, sawasdee ka, comes from the same Sanskrit word as swastika.

I see sid vicious in that picture NOW and NOW we have a big problem. Yup the same bloody group of ppl that were calling the thais insensitive when they see sid wear that Well let's just say they aren't so aggressive in telling a person like sid and preaching "morality" to him. Other than the fact that sid would not only tell them to "f***" off and beat them up for good measure and so would his fellow sex pistol band mates well you cannot get thru to someone like sid would you? His band promoted anarchy in the UK and in this same instance might i showcase to all and sundry the double standards from the western perspective in judging ppl.

White dead iconic punk band member from iconic band wears offensive T-shirt = he's edgy, he's so daring, he's so brave.

Asian or thai person does the same = he's an ignorant f****** that should respect the feelings of people miles and miles away from his country that are now residing in his country.

You got it in one bro.

Us farang are so sensitive.

How arrogant some are to be visitors in this country and to insult the locals and tell them what to do or not do

WE are sensitive? ... are you joking?

You think, Thais are not sensitive?... For real?

You realize, that you can go to jail for many years here, if you do not respect the sensitive matters of Thais? I grantee that you would also get a lot of trouble from Thais, if you even did not respect their sensitive matters in your own country.

Thais being non-sensitive or more tolerant than other is not true. You can start out by trying to live with one for years and you will see.

Thais have their values, which we must respect, like they must respect our values. This last part can sometimes be more difficult for Thais to understand.

I give up guys... Since I realize that the Nazi-symbol, does not seem to really mean much to many people today - no matter nationality.

Maybe it requires a certain age or having relatives who died fighting the Nazis, before people understand. Maybe it requires german friends of a certain age, to know and understand the pain and embarrassment they feel, when they see this symbol. Maybe it requires having talked to and having known Holocaust victims to truly understand.

No matter what, then I still despise the symbol and I truly find it sad, that people do not understand the effect and bad feelings it still brings to many people. But if Thai people want to offend people, then let them do it. I will however always comment on it, when I see it anywhere in Thailand - because that was the way I was raised.

So when I see a shop selling Nazi stuff, I will tell the shop owner that what he is doing is not good and offends some people. The guy can then chose to ignore me, laugh, smile, lose face or whatever... I really do not care, as long as he understands that every time I pass his shop, then he will get my opinion on what he is selling and its meaning to me. And I will do the same, if I see a Thai guy or any other nationality wearing a Nazi-symbol. That is just how I was raised and how I have become after knowing people, who went through hell during WW2.

I am not from the US and I am also not a jew. But I know and have known many people from these countries, who risked everything to get rid of the Nazis and I will always be grateful to them for their bravery. Therefore, I will also always respect them and their memory by commenting on the Nazi Symbols, when I see them here in Thailand or anywhere else in the world.

What I never will understand is how Thailand tourist industry or Thais benefit from offending people? And also, if the symbols are okay to use, then why did the Thai-schools end up apologizing and the stories ending in the media? Someone within the Thai system, must have been clever enough to see that kids dressing up as Nazis was wrong and therefore ordered the apology to be made. I can only hope that or those persons, then do more about it.

And I can also take comfort in knowing that this is still a subject that catches media attention. This at least means that some people out there still care and understand.

@Indrid, if you start the offending and insulting, by calling me a Nazi - then be prepare and brave enough to also receive some response back. You state that you have freedom of speech... well, so do I :-)

I sometimes wonder how many tourists in Thailand walk past a shop with Nazi-merchandise and feel disgusted. I also wonder how many comment on it, although I am sure many older people do. I also know the shop-owner just laughs and smiles, without him knowing the effect of laughing at people he just offended deeply. I wonder how this benefits Thais, Thailand and their tourist industry?

Well, at least the school leaders figured it out and apologized. Maybe one day the shop owners will also get it.

Some real Thai haters on this thread. Thais generally have great tolerance and perhaps those offended by a T-shirt should learn to be more tolerant of others.

This is not about hating Thais, but printing and selling e.g. T-shirts with Nazi-symbols or dressing up as Nazis.

Thailand and Thais are not perfect - same as all other nationalities/countries in the world are also not perfect. Why criticizing Thais always has to end up with someone claiming it is related to hating Thais, I will never understand? It has nothing to do with hate!

However, If there is something I really hate about living here, then it is all those "Thai-wannabe Farangs", who thinks everything related to Thailand or Thai people is just perfect. Wake up!... Thais are not perfect, same as we Farangs are not perfect. They are just human like we are and even they do mistakes.

Thais actually have very little tolerance, when it comes their beliefs and customs... If you do not believe me, then e.g. try to clap an adult Thai-person on his/her head, point your foot at a Thai or try raising your voice at a Thai in front of others. Thais are no more tolerant than any other people. Actually, they are a lot easier to offend, without you even realizing it. Look behind the smiles and you will realize, that they are just as human as we are. And don't always think a smile means they actually like you. They sometimes smile just to avoid "losing face" and having to beat the shit out of you.

So please do not play the "Thais are perfect" record again and again. Thais are wonderful people and we can learn so much from them and their culture. BUT they can also learn a lot from us... And one thing is understanding, that we can also "lose face" and they should respect that.

And to all wannabe-Thais out there... You can wear 100 Buddhas necklaces, change religion, marry a Thai, have 10 children with a Thai, go to the temple every day, speak Thai, act Thai and live in Thailand for 100 years.... BUT you will always be A FARANG in the eyes of any Thai!

1. Banning of Neo-Nazi Symbols of any kind.

2. Education, Education and more Education so history does not repeat itself.

... and 3. SERIOUS jail-time, for them, who just do not "get it".

What does any society benefit from promoting or allowing pro-Nazism, hate, racism etc.? A good reason why many countries also have implemented bans and laws against Neo-Nazism and why many people get offended by it.

And then when you and your likes have jail the nazis you can all say someting similiar to sieg heil cant you? because to me you are the nazi here and i hate nazis, get it?

Nope, I don't get it and I am starting to wonder, if you know what a Neo-Nazi actually is and believes in? If you hate Nazis, then it makes no sense to me, how you can approve of Nazi-symbols or Neo-Nazis of any kind.

Any chance you are hanging too much out at Khaosan Road and smoking a bit too much? You realize the world has changed since the 1960s... right? Ever heard of 9/11? or seen what Neo-Nazis do to people, they do not approve of?

Maybe you should google "Neo-Nazi" or "Extremists" and read a bit about it. Or maybe you should bring one of your Thai-friends to meet a real Neo-Nazi and hear what he has to say about your friend. I am sure you would be surprised...

On the question of neo nazism i noticed many facists whether they be in europe, US, australia take on nazi symbols and salutes as a sort of movement to target minorities in that country and immigrants and it's obviously racist in nature since they promote the view that aryans are the superior race but why don't some of them see the irony like russian or english nazis see that during ww2 their ancestors were killing or being killed by the real nazis from germany. It's just so weird that they would adopt on the symbolism of a regime that their own countries fought against if you want to put it into say an asian context you could say that chinese, koreans, thais, laotians adopted the japanese bushido code of honor and used that to target foreigners in their countries or non asian looking ppls it wouldn't make sense at all.

Lack of education and ignorance, I guess. And you are right, it does not make any logical sense for many groups to take on the Nazi-symbols. Same as it does not make sense for a Thai-person to run around in a Nazi T-shirt, because the idiot wearing it, does not realize that the real nazis, would be have loved to gas him and turn him into a lamp.

However, the symbols are very powerful and maybe that is why... A Hallo-Kitty logo, would just not have the same effect for a racist hate group.

Every society and country has its share of morons. Also a good reason why any sort of Neo-nazi views or symbols should be prohibited. No need to give any of these people, a way to better expose their sick way of thinking... And also by prohibiting these symbols, society indirectly tells its people that this way of thinking is not acceptable.

So you approve of the principle of thought police?

We are talking about Neo-Nazis preaching hate and racism. When it comes to EXTREMISTS of any kind, I am fine with governments doing everything to prevent that. If they at the same time while monitoring us all, can catch some pedophiles then fine with me.

On the question of neo nazism i noticed many facists whether they be in europe, US, australia take on nazi symbols and salutes as a sort of movement to target minorities in that country and immigrants and it's obviously racist in nature since they promote the view that aryans are the superior race but why don't some of them see the irony like russian or english nazis see that during ww2 their ancestors were killing or being killed by the real nazis from germany. It's just so weird that they would adopt on the symbolism of a regime that their own countries fought against if you want to put it into say an asian context you could say that chinese, koreans, thais, laotians adopted the japanese bushido code of honor and used that to target foreigners in their countries or non asian looking ppls it wouldn't make sense at all.

Lack of education and ignorance, I guess. And you are right, it does not make any logical sense for many groups to take on the Nazi-symbols. Same as it does not make sense for a Thai-person to run around in a Nazi T-shirt, because the idiot wearing it, does not realize that the real nazis, would be have loved to gas him and turn him into a lamp.

However, the symbols are very powerful and maybe that is why... A Hallo-Kitty logo, would just not have the same effect for a racist hate group.

Every society and country has its share of morons. Also a good reason why any sort of Neo-nazi views or symbols should be prohibited. No need to give any of these people, a way to better expose their sick way of thinking... And also by prohibiting these symbols, society indirectly tells its people that this way of thinking is not acceptable.

So you approve of the principle of thought police?

Perhaps he should listen to, Joes Garage by Frank Zappa.

"The white zone is for loading and unloading only"

society indirectly tells its people that this way of thinking is not acceptable.

Get down on your knees and give thanks to whatever diety you worship that you dont live in such a society.

Thankfuly I dont live in such a society, I approve of free thinkers and NON flat earthers.

Sounds like you approve of, The Witchfinder General, or the Spanish Inquisition

Well, all I can say is google "Snowden" and "Guantanamo", if you really believe that you live in a world of free thoughts. Do you think that governments that call themselves countries of "free speech and thoughts" use energy on monitoring extremist groups and individuals for fun?

Of course, she gets mad if I talk bad about her country, which she loves.

Next time you take your girlfriend to America, then show her a trailer-park - just to hear her comments...

No normal women from any part of the world, wants a loser as a boyfriend. Like most normal men, will not settle with a fat ass, lazy unemployed white woman... Instead they prefer a lazy slim Thai-woman :-)

On the question of neo nazism i noticed many facists whether they be in europe, US, australia take on nazi symbols and salutes as a sort of movement to target minorities in that country and immigrants and it's obviously racist in nature since they promote the view that aryans are the superior race but why don't some of them see the irony like russian or english nazis see that during ww2 their ancestors were killing or being killed by the real nazis from germany. It's just so weird that they would adopt on the symbolism of a regime that their own countries fought against if you want to put it into say an asian context you could say that chinese, koreans, thais, laotians adopted the japanese bushido code of honor and used that to target foreigners in their countries or non asian looking ppls it wouldn't make sense at all.

Lack of education and ignorance, I guess. And you are right, it does not make any logical sense for many groups to take on the Nazi-symbols. Same as it does not make sense for a Thai-person to run around in a Nazi T-shirt, because the idiot wearing it, does not realize that the real nazis, would be have loved to gas him and turn him into a lamp.

However, the symbols are very powerful and maybe that is why... A Hallo-Kitty logo, would just not have the same effect for a racist hate group.

Every society and country has its share of morons. Also a good reason why any sort of Neo-nazi views or symbols should be prohibited. No need to give any of these people, a way to better expose their sick way of thinking... And also by prohibiting these symbols, society indirectly tells its people that this way of thinking is not acceptable.

I love Thailand and its people, but one thing I do not like is their ability many times just accept, what morally is wrong and lack the ability to actually discuss it without them "losing face". All Thais I know are very proved of their country, but at the same time they laugh or ignore things that makes their country look bad - like e.g. the nazi symbols and corruption.

Morally wrong to you might not be morally wrong to others or is it you that sets some kind of worlwide morale standard to us all? Same goes for what mite make thailand look bad.

Well, with the Swastika (Nazi-version) being internationally known as a powerful symbol of racism and hate, I doubt Thailand would improve it reputation towards e.g. tourists, if all Thais started wearing Nazi T-shirts.

If it did not hurt Thailand, then why did the schools here go out and say that they where sorry, for dressing up as Nazis? Could someone "smart" maybe had told them that they where on the wrong track?

When it comes to the Nazi-swastika, there are some international basic moral rules. People and countries respect these rules, because nobody wants history to repeat itself and also nobody (except neo-nazis) wants to promote racism and hate.

Anyone (who is not a neo-nazi) protecting the Nazi-swastika, are in my opinion unknowing of its real meaning. Printed on red and white, it has nothing to do with religion or anything else. It is a clear symbol of racism and hate... Nothing else. If that makes Thailand and Thais look good, then I would like to know how?

Lets for a second pretend im a nazi so what do you and your friends have in mind for me and my nazi friends? correctional camps or just lines us up to be shot or do you have a less nazi way of dealing with it? because you have not yet presented a solution to your problem.

1. Banning of Neo-Nazi Symbols of any kind.

2. Education, Education and more Education so history does not repeat itself.

... and 3. SERIOUS jail-time, for them, who just do not "get it".

What does any society benefit from promoting or allowing pro-Nazism, hate, racism etc.? A good reason why many countries also have implemented bans and laws against Neo-Nazism and why many people get offended by it.

LOL!!!!!

Well thinking and expressing your personal opinions has never hurt the world, while being passive and just a follower has...

But maybe in this case is best, just to wear a Buddha, change religion and act Thai. Just pretty hard, when you are 190 cm tall, have blue eyes and blond hair...