Keith67

thanks everybody for the feedback. My lawyer tells me that we cannot use the Thai court to get any mentioned information since she is suing in Switzerland. This contradicts the view of Satcommlee, who maybe has a better understanding then my lawyer?

I don't know why this would help you?

You said in a previous thread that your wife has a Swiss passport and therefore, she has the right at anytime to go back to Switzerland and register herself in a Swiss city. That then is the city she can file her divorce, since you are married under Swiss law. If she want's, she can leave Switzerland the next day but remain registered in Switzerland, as long as she pays her taxes and makes sure, her post gets picked up and dealt with...

IF you would prove to the court that actually she does not live there, the only thing that would happen is that the current court would reject the divorce claim and advise her to enter her divorce in the competent court in your (joint) "Heimatort".

So, i really don't see why your lawyer is asking for prove that she is not living in Switzerland, except for getting a delay in your wife's divorce claim?

Good advice here.

Maybe there is more to this story - the wife has "a Swiss passport" - which kind of implies she also has other passports to travel with.

The marriage may not have been contracted in Switzerland (possibly Thailand?), but the wife may want to use a Swiss judge to get better settlement, even though the Swiss judge will have to apply the foreign Law the foreign marriage was contracted under.

But to call on a Swiss court, one of the parties needs to be domiciled in Switzerland. I don't if there are some provisions for acquiring legal domicile in Switzerland beyond registering an address at the Einwohnerkontrolle, and if the court would declare itself incomptetent if the registration of domicile in Switzerland was proven to be a manipulation....

A confirmation letter from Swiss immigration as to her entry into Switzerland over the past 6 mths would do the trick, a Swiss lawyer or court should be able to request this should they not,

Another question,

We have decided to get married in Bangkok.

The Irish embassy website says about the affidavit that...

ALL THAI REGISTRARS WILL REQUIRE AUTHENTICATION OF THE IRISH CONSULATES SIGNATURE

AND CERTIFICATION OF THE THAI TRANSLATION.

THIS MUST BE OBTAINED FROM.

THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

123 CHAENG WATTANNA ROAD,

LAKSI..

Is this true,if so the procedure is 1 get the affidavit

2 get it translated

3 get authentication as above

4 get married at the amphue

5.get the marriage certificate translated into English

6 authenticated as above

so it can be used for visa applications(in Hull)

I hope I'm wrong

>>Contact Hull and check with them, they might want to see an English translation but not a certified translation.

steps 1 to 4 are on the mark.

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4 years ago when i got married i did the steps 1-4 as shown, went and registered the marriage in Bangkok and that is a legal marriage in Thailand but not the UK, for it to be legal in the UK, i would then have to go back to the embassy / consulate and register the marriage with them, if this was the case for ireland too as long as you didn't register the marriage with the Irish embassy / consulate afterwards in Ireland it would still not be a legal marriage so no right's to any property, land or finances.

registered in the UK or not, it is still a legal marriage and recognized as such. The only thing registering the marriage does is making the UK government aware of the marriage and it makes it possible to get evidence of the marriage from the registrar in the UK.

Without out that, the marriage is still legal, but needs to be proven by legalization of the marriage certificate by the UK-embassy.

Maybe i worded my reply incorrectly.

Recognised in what respect?

It was clearly stated to me that without registration she would be afforded no legal rights within the UK law.

Contact Hull and check with them, they might want to see an English translation but not a certified translation.

steps 1 to 4 are on the mark.

Only the original document will be accepted for a marriage visa so a Thai wedding Thai Cert, UK wedding UK cert along with her ID card or passport and House book with her name shown Matching the wedding cert, the house book, ID card / passport will have to be changed to match the wedding cert if she takes your sir name.

Another question,

We have decided to get married in Bangkok.

The Irish embassy website says about the affidavit that...

ALL THAI REGISTRARS WILL REQUIRE AUTHENTICATION OF THE IRISH CONSULATES SIGNATURE

AND CERTIFICATION OF THE THAI TRANSLATION.

THIS MUST BE OBTAINED FROM.

THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS

123 CHAENG WATTANNA ROAD,

LAKSI..

Is this true,if so the procedure is 1 get the affidavit

2 get it translated

3 get authentication as above

4 get married at the amphue

5.get the marriage certificate translated into English

6 authenticated as above

so it can be used for visa applications(in Hull)

I hope I'm wrong

Contact Hull and check with them, they might want to see an English translation but not a certified translation.

steps 1 to 4 are on the mark.

4 years ago when i got married i did the steps 1-4 as shown, went and registered the marriage in Bangkok and that is a legal marriage in Thailand but not the UK, for it to be legal in the UK, i would then have to go back to the embassy / consulate and register the marriage with them, if this was the case for ireland too as long as you didn't register the marriage with the Irish embassy / consulate afterwards in Ireland it would still not be a legal marriage so no right's to any property, land or finances.

No woman would be willing to play second or third fiddle for any guy unless she considered that there is going to be many benefits in the relationship for her. Or in other words, she would expect to be financially supported and gain some investments.

Maybe my wife would accept a situation where I had a part time girlfriend on the go, but no way would she so understanding if this meant cutting my financial support for her and having to share with another woman.

Believe realistic, the luxury of having a minor wife or several women on the go is out of the question for the average guys, and is really a reserved as a rich man’s privilege, whether this practice is part of a culture or not.

A truly western approach to a thai situation, absolute BS but truly western. Before you rant and rave about how long you have been here, how

you have the correct visa to be called an expat or how if people do not have excessive amounts of financial support then you would not welcome them here, take a trip to a Thai village and ask around once the people get to know and trust you, you will find out everybody knows who has a "gik" or "mai noi" in the village although not so many millionairs in local villages mainly farm workers or local trades men so maybe not your cup of tea but they still have their "mai noi".

You see a lot of RESORTS in the Countryside of TH, Isaan and so on.

Often no big Highway around! Nothing there to see, nothing in the RESORT, except small huts and a BED!

many 24 hours open!

Conclusion, is .....

Even my GF "did it" in some of the Resorts around with her Thai policeman, when I was not in the Village!

Most of the resorts here are very busy during the opening hours of the karaoke bars, most also have a telephone directory for room service should it be required for the people who require disgression.

"Can anyone anticipate problems I might have" ?

You mean except from posting it on a public forum with a picture of yourself ??

Relax. Thailand is very much a cash-society, so a lot of money is moved around every day in different fashions. And 500k isn't THAT much, so why the safe (!) in the car? A Tesco plasticbag and in the pocket will do the trick. When the "showing" is over, count the money, back in the plasticbag and to the bank you go, Hope your new inlaws are going to keep some of it ??

I agree with Soi41 THB500k is not a lot of cash in Thai society. I know many locals in my village who buy a 900K pickup with cash. I have not heard of any robbery during any weddings in my village either. Best not to show the safe. I think you will be the laughing stock in the village thereafter - the first farang to bring a safe (and from your description a 'portable' one) to keep his 500k safe!

Just have a buddy take 100% care of it, from the time it is out of the bank (or money changer) to the time it gets deposited back into the bank account. And make sure he or she doesn't drink on that day! Good luck and congratulations.

I am supposedly the first falang to ever set foot in this village. this village does not have any nice houses. only one nice pickup truck.

also, with all due respect.....I am not worried about what a bunch of people in an Isaan village think of me. they don't determine anything in my life. Do you think they worry about what we think of them?

thank you for the congrats and your post.

Not atall, the only people to be affected by what you do before you get back in your car and drive away are the parents and family of your wife to be, a little thought and consideration for their feelings during and after your wedding would not be amiss, after all a small Thai village is a relentless place to live if you are the focus of all the gossip and trust me they would be and for along time. A cheque and small amount of money would cause your future wifes family to "lose face" and could therefore soil future relations with you and them, also remember any deemed wrong doing by you would put excessive pressure on your wife and in turn possibly on your relationship.

The safety of your money is more important than a loss of face by them.

What about your loss of face , 500k is far to much for this type of wedding. If you show this much you'll l never get them off your back asking for money. They already think all farang are millionaires. Be wise and don't play the big shot.

Tell them you have a cashflow problem and can only get 200k, which is still above normal for a poor village in Issarn.

If they have a problem with this, its best you know now.

If you are happy with them all saying that your wife is only with you for your wealth, then go ahead and take a safe to your wedding.

You have not been to too many thai-thai weddings in Issan then, most farang would be classed as equivalent to at least middle class Thai or above, middle class Thai would be teachers, police or industry management types in any village, the teacher who lives with his family next door to me just paid B1.5M + 5 baht gold and the cash was laid out on view. It was brought to the wedding just before the counting and returned to the bank straight after, Thais more than most understand the security issues with displaying large sums of money and should have no problem with a small time frame for show and counting in your presence before returning it to the safety of the bank vault.

B500K has already been agreed and there is no desire for them to keep the money, flip the coin how would he feel if they suddenly for no reason decided B500K wasn't enough and they wanted him to display B1M.

And before the ditch her or run for the hills comments are made, i didn't ask what he would do, i asked how he would feel.....

I see a simple misunderstanding here.

Some people only hear what the want to hear and from there misunderstandings develop.

I've seen my Wife explain something to a shop assistant (in Thai), I've understood it, but the shop assistant fetches something completely different... Some, simple don't pay attention, even after clear explanation.

In the case of the Op, he clearly explained what he wanted, the shop assistant clearly understood something else which is why he was so persistent. He's probably now on another forum explaining how a foreigner (a regular customer) ordered something then changed his mind !

I find in Thailand that I often need to double check then triple check many things and even then mistakes and misunderstandings occur. Failure to pay attention to detail is so commonly the cause of events like this.

He will also be able to complain how i cancelled the new macbook pro i ordered with him too in this case......

Joking aside i really don't understand the concept of what he did, OK if it was a missunderstanding why, when i handed him the unopened still sealed box of loan speakers did he not ask what was the problem instead of just opening them and checking them?

what would really get his goat is if you were on the phone outside his shop with a the computer box and a few other items....just for the hell of it

Nice idea but i haven't ordered the new one from the new shop yet, i'd like to see how things work out with them first, i am always buying smaller items for computers, the kids come home from school with requests for somthing new near every week only small items B50 here B100 there but it mounts up over time, i'm not in a desperate need for it just thought i would upgrade to a new 1, i could go into the city and buy 1 probably cheaper but were only talking small amounts so i would really prefer to give the business to a local shop.

How much whiskey are you drinking and crack are you smoking to spend 40k a month? I live well on 12k a month. Movies, hi-speed internet, high-end smart phone, holiday to CM a couple times a month, eating out twice a day... obviously if you're buying hookers regularly or spending every night sauced up at the bar 40k isn't going to cut it.

Come on man that's a bit far fetched under 3k per week and ur eating out twice a day and holidaying to CM twice a month!,

He eats mama cups on the bench outside 7/11 and holdays 2 times a month to central mall why is that far fetched?

Quick update,

My wife and i went to the computer shop 2 doors down today and ordered the same speaker set from him, I asked how long till they arrive and he said tomorrow, i got my wife to tell him the shop just down from him had a set and explain what had happened the previous day after she did this he told us to wait,

5 mins later he returns with the speakers from the other shop, i bought them and he asked me not to mention the sale to the owner of the other shop as he didn't want any problems with them.

Why didn't you bring your wife with you on the second trip to help translate?

I didn't see there would be a problem, just pick up the new speakers and give back the boxed loan ones.

I did ask her when i returned what the conversation was she had with him, she said she explained to him i would give back the loan speakers and buy the ordered item ans she said he agreed that was fine.

Put a very large, official looking stamp on a letter with bank letterhead that states something important sounding about money and commitment blah blah. Then stamp and get a regal looking signature over that letter (printed on embossed paper), the bank book, and the check, so they look "tied together". Maybe gold leaf around the edge of the letter, and the letter in a picture frame? Remember, it is all about APPEARANCE.

Happy marriage!

Ah a Ko-san Rd genuine fake..........

Sounds like a misunderstanding to me.

His attitude is the norm here.

The only businesses that have anything close to what we would consider a normal returns policy are those owned and managed by foreigners or specifically catering to foreigners and hi-so Thais, as in some - only some - expensive shopping centres, and those of course charge a lot more than the regular shops.

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Exceptions (that prove the rule) include computers and components with a warranty direct from the international manufacturer or distributor.

I've returned dozens of HDD's, less than a 30 minute turnaround walk out the door with a new one. Used to be five years, these days only three.

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Otherwise your usually plain SOL, just ask politely and if they say no, walk away and chalk it up to experience TiT.

You learn to shop for the cheapest disposable crap, or order via re-shippers from overseas and pay through the nose for good warranty policies.

Not a a missunderstanding in was clearly explained to him in Thai by my wife why i didn't require the loan speakers.

Either your wife didn't explain it good....too many mai pen rays....or that you took the second set was seen as purchase......or a crook who thinks he can take some more money from that rich long nose.

I would never accepted the loan so I wouldn't got the problem.

Agreed had it been a shop i had never previously used i would do exactly the same.

I see a simple misunderstanding here.

Some people only hear what the want to hear and from there misunderstandings develop.

I've seen my Wife explain something to a shop assistant (in Thai), I've understood it, but the shop assistant fetches something completely different... Some, simple don't pay attention, even after clear explanation.

In the case of the Op, he clearly explained what he wanted, the shop assistant clearly understood something else which is why he was so persistent. He's probably now on another forum explaining how a foreigner (a regular customer) ordered something then changed his mind !

I find in Thailand that I often need to double check then triple check many things and even then mistakes and misunderstandings occur. Failure to pay attention to detail is so commonly the cause of events like this.

He will also be able to complain how i cancelled the new macbook pro i ordered with him too in this case......

Joking aside i really don't understand the concept of what he did, OK if it was a missunderstanding why, when i handed him the unopened still sealed box of loan speakers did he not ask what was the problem instead of just opening them and checking them?

He sounds like a crook. I can't think of any other way to interpret his actions. This story is truly amazing. I'm glad that you walked out & refused to yield to his scheme, even for 240 baht. Perhaps the profit he lost on the deal will dissuade him from trying this scam on anyone else in the future.

I guess you'll need to find a new accessory shop for your future needs.

I'll just use i of the other 2, but i'm at a loss to work out why he did it, i've used him on several occasions as i said with no complaints and good service. I'm not in a tourist area and his customers are mainly locals.

The car issue is key here.

IMO just on principle you should design your life so you don't need a car.

The financial savings are a by-product.

Why if you live anywhere other than the tourist areas or Bangkok a car is a must have item, for me it's 50km to the supermarket or city and 10km to the hospital, local transport stops running at 5-6pm and doesn't extend to the village during the day.

Also i should explain i have used this shop on several occasions for upgrades, repairs and to buy accessories for my computers.

Sounds like a misunderstanding to me.

His attitude is the norm here.

The only businesses that have anything close to what we would consider a normal returns policy are those owned and managed by foreigners or specifically catering to foreigners and hi-so Thais, as in some - only some - expensive shopping centres, and those of course charge a lot more than the regular shops.

-

Exceptions (that prove the rule) include computers and components with a warranty direct from the international manufacturer or distributor.

I've returned dozens of HDD's, less than a 30 minute turnaround walk out the door with a new one. Used to be five years, these days only three.

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Otherwise your usually plain SOL, just ask politely and if they say no, walk away and chalk it up to experience TiT.

You learn to shop for the cheapest disposable crap, or order via re-shippers from overseas and pay through the nose for good warranty policies.

Not a a missunderstanding in was clearly explained to him in Thai by my wife why i didn't require the loan speakers.

On the 12th of April the day before songkran i went to the local computer shop 1 of 3 in the town to buy some new speakers for my PC, I’d found the ones
i wanted and the shop would order them for me B1800 all good, the guy in the shop told me as he was closed for 4 days over songkran to take another set
while i waited for the ordered ones to arrive but i declined as i already had some this was just an upgrade, he was real persistent about it and in the end
my wife told me just take them to make him feel better.

I took the speakers a new set off the shelf and pointed out i would return them unused when my order arrived, and this was agreed. Yesterday i went to the
shop to pick up my speakers and return the loan speakers still boxed and unused. The guy in the shop got my speakers out tested them to show me they
were good and repackaged them in their box, i handed the "loan" speakers which he took from the box and tested after breaking the seal and removing all the packaging and told me they worked fine. He then put the 2 sets of speakers in a bag and said it was B2440, i said no i only ordered 1 set, he then explained how i had had them for 4 days and the box was now opened so i would have to pay for them, i calmly pointed out my original refusal to the offer of loan speakers, the fact it was 4 days because his shop was closed and the reason the box was open was because he had just opened it. He then aggressively
said NO you have to pay, I barely managed to keep a straight face as he had taken no deposit for the ordered item nor the loan speakers, i stood quiet and
waited for about 30 seconds while he just looked at me then calmly said "NO" now are you going to sell me the ordered item for B1800, he said NO you have to pay for 2 sets, to this i bid him good day and left the shop.

My thoughts were why do they do these things? It’s ridiculous he lost the profit he would make on the ordered item which in the city i could buy for B1200 so
B400+ to try and make maybe an extra B30-50 on a set worth only B240.

Before anybody starts to say it was only B240 you should have just paid it and walked out, the money is not the issue the attempted deceit from initially placing an order with him was the issue.

No woman would be willing to play second or third fiddle for any guy unless she considered that there is going to be many benefits in the relationship for her. Or in other words, she would expect to be financially supported and gain some investments.

Maybe my wife would accept a situation where I had a part time girlfriend on the go, but no way would she so understanding if this meant cutting my financial support for her and having to share with another woman.

Believe realistic, the luxury of having a minor wife or several women on the go is out of the question for the average guys, and is really a reserved as a rich man’s privilege, whether this practice is part of a culture or not.

A truly western approach to a thai situation, absolute BS but truly western. Before you rant and rave about how long you have been here, how

you have the correct visa to be called an expat or how if people do not have excessive amounts of financial support then you would not welcome them here, take a trip to a Thai village and ask around once the people get to know and trust you, you will find out everybody knows who has a "gik" or "mai noi" in the village although not so many millionairs in local villages mainly farm workers or local trades men so maybe not your cup of tea but they still have their "mai noi".

Really, they are my cup of tea. Just that I`ve never been able to find any mai nois who didn`t want me without my money.

I never realised that working on a farm would make me more desirable to women. Perhaps I`ll give it a try.

Looks, appearence and personality possibly also come into play which would possibly account for the reason money in a big issue for ladies with you.........your words not mine.

Don't forget your work permit before you goto work on the farm though.......

And then there's Big Pharma - which produce drugs which kill more people than all illegal drugs combined. Not sure if pharma drugs cause more harm and deaths than alcohol. Are there any studies on that?

So are you saying beer and wine doesn't contribute to crime and untimely deaths? I suggest you read a newspaper once in awhile. Every day there are dozens of crimes and murders stemming from imbibing alcohol.

Eeeeeeeer, don't know, but l have drunk beer and wine all my life and been no problem to anyone, ....

3.6 grams of hashish. Jeez Louise, putting someone in the slammer for a couple tokes of hash is cruel. Half the people who smoke hash, only get a headache or a craving for brownies. What's next for Indonesia, outlawing headaches and sweets?

Drug laws are too harsh, and the sentence is too harsh.

If a country is going to enact drug laws, they should be commensurate with the perceived crime. The people drafting the laws should be familiar with individual drugs and their effects. Instead, they're not familiar with the drugs in question - other than accepting biased peoples' worst case scenarios as gospel truth.

Two cases in point:

1. Alcohol, a legal drug: causes more harm than all illegal drugs combined.

2. Hemp, an illegal drug, can't get a person high - even if they smoked a barrel of the stuff.

By being so off-base in their laws, countries like Indonesia (and most SE countries) appear cruel and ignorant in their laws and punishments.

Two things: First off; there is a well hammered truism that alcohol dealers want everyone to embrace: that's that all users of recreational drugs (other than alcohol) are abusers, and drug-crazed and all that goes with that. If you believe that, then you've been successfully indoctrinated by purveyors of the only legal recreational drug.

Secondly: drinkers of alcohol will always portray their use of it as mild and benign.

Can you see a pattern here? If so, can you see how it's advantageous for dealers of alcoholic drinks to demonize all other recreational drugs - and concurrently put theirs on a sophisticated plateau. Lots of money is made by perpetuating that mind-set. Lots of money could be lost (by them) if alcohol industry were to allow even one other rec. drug to gain favor.

I might be a bit slow but as you keep referring to alcohol in a topic related to drug trafficking, are you trying to say alcohol should be made illegal or that all drugs should be made legal?

How old are you?

Are you a virgin?

Why would you marry someone who is 40?

Are the parents prepared to name you (or prospective wife) as sole heirs of house?

All questions that need answers before we can give an opinion.

If you are 27 year old English teacher, tradition says, she should pay you.

If you are 70 and a multi-millionaire, you should pay her.

I am 60, she is 40, she says she is a virgin, I put the ? there as she is not my first Thai relationship after visiting Thailand each year for the last 5 years.

We intend to build a house next door to parents house as it is more 'social' (her word) in the eyes of her peers and her work position to have her own house, renting is out of the question.

She classes herself as middle class and for sure as has been mentioned here, she would not contemplate a lower class Thai man or a Hi-So. Also in her words, marrying a farang is a rung above marrying a Thai in the eyes of her social set.

As long as he has money of course and not as she said in Thai slang " a sh*t of a man"

She wanted me to pay up front for the land and house but I said no-way. She has to borrow the money and I will pay it back from interest from my superannuation over about 6 - 7 years. She earns good money but spends it all, so got no savings, but says she will receive a payout from the bank (I guess same as super) when she retires.

No doubt the house will be in her name. I said what happens if she gets run over by a bus and she said her parents will let me stay in house or give me 50% if sold. From what I have seen when living in the house with them, they do seem sincere and nice people. ( We are engaged so were allowed to sleep together)

I presume the parents house will be divided up by the 2 daughters and 2 sons when the time comes, although my fiance has done all the supporting of the parents.

OK so she wants you as you have money and she has none and it would appear better within her social set, i get that.

You will pay off her house over the next 6-7 years, if you have the financial ability suggest you will pay it in full now and insist on it being in your name, this may give you an indication of their intent if it is met with dispute, to put a house that you have fully paid for would not cause her family to lose face either before she tells you this.

If she is killed her parents will allow you to stay in a house that you have fully financed or give you half of the sale value, you will know the true sale value how?

She classes herself as middle class on what grounds? As far as i am aware Thai's allow class based on assets and cash worth, and as your fiance has niether would be no doubt classed by others within the category she so obviously despises.

My opinion for what it's worth you marrying a gold digging self appointed middle class virgin is an insult to you on many grounds.....

There may a nanogram or 2 of resentment in this advice but albeit harsh, basically it is very solid advice. Actually there are ways for you to own the house in your company name in case anyone tells you to the contrary.

Though some on these forums may have had bad experiences and be bitter or harsh, the advice/ideas/thoughts they offer are given with the best intentions and without standing to gain one penny.

A bank manager has some level of respect as she has graduated university or even gone higher. The public perception of her is likely middle class but in thailand many an educated worker earns a low salary.

Here's one example that is shocking. A friend of mine was paid 2,000 baht/month salary as a resident training in neurosurgery. He had to sign a promissory agreement with a private clinic to work for them when finished (4-5 years for an income supplemt that wasn't very much either) and 1 year fellowship in germany. Looking at a base salary of 2k baht he'd be seen as earning less than a tuk tuk driver.

I admit it is very harsh indeed, but when a 60yr old gent asks information with regards to his 40yr old virgin fiance and clearly states albeit in not so many words, she will marry him for money and status purposes, i feel it is the only way to reply.

Obviously alot more to this story that we are not hearing.

How much sin sod should I pay?

I am to marry a 40 yo never married, virgin? assistant bank manager.

She has always lived with her parents and buys all their food and 'needs'.

We will still have to keep up the payment of costs for her parents after marriage, the other siblings wont.

If I do pay sin sod for 'face value' I'm sure most would go to the divorced unemployed sister, living in big house with 2 **** sons.

How old are you?

Are you a virgin?

Why would you marry someone who is 40?

Are the parents prepared to name you (or prospective wife) as sole heirs of house?

All questions that need answers before we can give an opinion.

If you are 27 year old English teacher, tradition says, she should pay you.

If you are 70 and a multi-millionaire, you should pay her.

I am 60, she is 40, she says she is a virgin, I put the ? there as she is not my first Thai relationship after visiting Thailand each year for the last 5 years.

We intend to build a house next door to parents house as it is more 'social' (her word) in the eyes of her peers and her work position to have her own house, renting is out of the question.

She classes herself as middle class and for sure as has been mentioned here, she would not contemplate a lower class Thai man or a Hi-So. Also in her words, marrying a farang is a rung above marrying a Thai in the eyes of her social set.

As long as he has money of course and not as she said in Thai slang " a sh*t of a man"

She wanted me to pay up front for the land and house but I said no-way. She has to borrow the money and I will pay it back from interest from my superannuation over about 6 - 7 years. She earns good money but spends it all, so got no savings, but says she will receive a payout from the bank (I guess same as super) when she retires.

No doubt the house will be in her name. I said what happens if she gets run over by a bus and she said her parents will let me stay in house or give me 50% if sold. From what I have seen when living in the house with them, they do seem sincere and nice people. ( We are engaged so were allowed to sleep together)

I presume the parents house will be divided up by the 2 daughters and 2 sons when the time comes, although my fiance has done all the supporting of the parents.

OK so she wants you as you have money and she has none and it would appear better within her social set, i get that.

You will pay off her house over the next 6-7 years, if you have the financial ability suggest you will pay it in full now and insist on it being in your name, this may give you an indication of their intent if it is met with dispute, to put a house that you have fully paid for would not cause her family to lose face either before she tells you this.

If she is killed her parents will allow you to stay in a house that you have fully financed or give you half of the sale value, you will know the true sale value how?

She classes herself as middle class on what grounds? As far as i am aware Thai's allow class based on assets and cash worth, and as your fiance has niether would be no doubt classed by others within the category she so obviously despises.

My opinion for what it's worth you marrying a gold digging self appointed middle class virgin is an insult to you on many grounds.....