outsider

At a time where there are cameras and CCTVs all over the place, not to mention scores of people who are quick on the draw with their mobile cameras, it's a wonder people still do stuff like this. I mean, you almost can't pick your nose in the open without being filmed or photographed.

Firstly, I do not condone what has happened or any form of violence, for that matter, but where were these 'Thai netizens' when your lot ganged up on foreigners? And why can't the police also closely monitor the behaviour of local thugs and enforce strict laws against them? Not so nice when the boot is on the other foot eh?

I think you could be wrong. On the contrary, I think pilots are trained to inform passengers with real information. Of course they won't say 'we had an engine failure' but something more tactful and less scary. I shared my story to another member (below). Have a read. Cheers.

Pilots are trained to inform passengers of what is going on. Not withhold information from passengers. If you've never been on a flight where the pilot said anything other than read you the weather, time to destination and maybe share some sights with you outside your window, thank your lucky stars.

If I am not mistaken, I think it's protocol. The pilot must tell passengers what happened, or is happening, if anything out of the ordinary takes place mid-flight. It's not about scaring/not scaring passengers. It is about 'equipping' passengers with information - tell them what went wrong, reassure them by explaining what is being done to alleviate the situation, and calm them down, to avoid scaring them! Not telling them anything and letting passengers speculate will scare them even more, not to mention the potential of some passengers escalating the incident by panicking physically - because they don't have the right information! This is even more dangerous. Of course, aircrews are trained to be a little more tactful when they have to make such announcements. They probably wouldn't say "We just lost one engine, and have to fly with just the one that's still working" but instead something more 'encouraging' like "Due to a malfunction, we have to proceed with the flight with number two engine - that's the one on the right-hand side, ladies and gentlemen" and proceed to tell what is being/will be done to land the plane safely etc. etc. While it is safe for an aircraft to fly with one engine, certain conditions must be met - lower airspeed, lower altitude etc. And the aircraft is not allowed to taxi to the terminal on its own power and must stop as soon as it clears the runway upon landing. Engines (and the APU) must be shut down (to avert a fire hazard, I guess?). The aircraft must sit on the tarmac and wait for the aircraft tug to come out and tow it to a safe location where passengers can disembark. Imagine, if all this was happening and the pilot doesn't tell the passengers anything - what do you think will happen in the cabin? In serious, potentially life-and-death situations, people share and exchange real information, not play hide-and-seek with real information. I'm not a pilot nor an aviation expert, just an amateur AV geek and 'planespotter', but I WAS on a flight that had to shut one engine due to a malfunction and the events above did take place. Scary? I think I was more tense than scared. And it was bl**dy unpleasant, but I'll get to this in a bit. It was a Malaysia Airlines flight from KUL - BKK. The pilot did a good job talking to passengers throughout the flight after the initial announcement. The passengers were calm. The aircraft flew very slowly and at a low altitude but other than that, there was no drama. The unpleasantness came when we landed. The aircraft stopped as soon as it turned off the runway and everything was shut down. This was on a midday in April and, sitting in the open under the Songkran sun in Suvarnabhumi, the cabin heated up very quickly. I think it was a good part of 30 minutes before the aircraft tug came to get us. During disembarkation nobody pushed, rushed or panicked. It was quite 'normal' - to the point where you get the usual impatient muppets flipping their seatbelts away, lunging for their stuff from the overhead storage and standing in the aisle - even before the aircraft has come to a complete stop. The captain made a final announcement, then came out and together with the crew apologised for the unpleasantness. But instead of rushing to get off, the passengers (including the impatient muppets) clapped and even stopped to shake hands with the pilots and crew and exchanged pleasantries. I think this was all a part of their training and they achieved the desired outcome. I think they did a good job, don't you think so?

Shocked? When will you all smarten up and learn that elephants belong in their own habitat - in the wild, and not in fairgrounds or in parks to entertain you lot?

Impossible they can't last a DMK > HKT flight without puffing. Plainly obnoxious and completely inconsiderate. Quality tourists indeed.

A complete farce is what it is.

Two girls slapping each other is 'violent'?

Don't think it's insurance scam, but perhaps the place is needed for something else, so it's cheaper to burn it down than to dismantle/scuttle/demolish the structure.

Note to self not to upset any Thais lest they creep up and put a bullet or two into you.

Shouldn't they talk about upgrades months before the tourist season actually started, instead of now, so that there's time to implement the upgrades? If the upgrades were really going to happen, that is. What this farce actually underscored is how immensely clueless this unelected kid and those manning her puppet-strings, are.

smartgirlphilippines - I can deal with personal opinions but not unbridled stupidity and ignorance. Before you comment about Thai women, have you seen what your Pinoy-types do in the city centre in Kuala Lumpur on a Sunday? I've been there and seen it and, let me tell you, they behave WORSE than the Thai women you described here. To the point their authorities have to go in and 'sweep' you people off the streets. So before you over-generalise something based just on what you see through a coloured pinhole, try to do some research first. Or better still, don't open your mouth and show the apparent lack of intellect. For the record, I have some mates who have married Filipinos. Wonderful ladies to have around. And, they hang out with my Thai friends (both male and female, married and single). So, if for some reasons you feel you need to bash Thai women like this, you're free to shove that view up your ****.

Reading the drivel gives one the impression that only foreigners commit crime in Thailand. This brown pillar of corruption can't even eradicate the local motorcy and taxi mafias, and they want to go for the big bosses?! I am impressed by one thing though - how they are not embarrassed by their own bumbling ways and antics.

'Possible'??? Yo, Pankaew... were you born yesterday?