kennypowers

The incident began outside of the Royal Garden Plaza as Mr. Fredrick Bistrell and his Thai Girlfriend were walking towards Walking Street.

Awww..off for a romantic meal and a drink under the moonlight.

Pattaya, the hub of high end tourists. If you allow a location to become a toilet then do not be surprised if so many people take a shit in it.

Yep, maybe now the Pattaya defenders will admit that Pattaya does have a pedophile problem. "It doesn't happen here anymore than anywhere else if the world..."

Yea right.

What's that the seventh "reported" case this year?

In case you all hadn't noticed, white people still control the world. The war on melanin is stronger than ever.

Wait a moment. If you are extending on basis of marriage you need 400k in a holding account for a minimum of 2 months. I tried to extend for a year based on income into my Thai bank account at Cheangwattana 2 months ago. They told me the same. No can do. You need the 400k in there at all times.

A friend of mine also had a similar situation this week. He tried to extend on the basis of a marriage visa but had drawn out money that took his account below 400k and then topped it back up. They said no, no, you must maintain over the 400k threshold for a minimum of 2 moths.

Well done and congratulations to the BIB every little helps hope they get locked up for a long time

Yes, because this is going to make a dent in the international narcotics trade. Getting these two off the streets will considerably reduce instances of drug taking in local communities. She's a meth head and he's a low level dealer!

The war on drugs. Keep going boys, you'll get there in the end! NOT.

Happens here in BKK sometimes. I don't tolerate it. You should have see the 7/11 staff crack up laughing when this guy tried to jump in front of me the other day. He lost face, put it that way.

Most Thais are very polite and often motion me to go first. But there's always the odd idiot who wants to exercise a bit of "I'm Thai so I go first" bravado.

There are toilets but they are private. You have to go to the desk and ask, don't ask security. My pregnant wife has to pee every 20 minutes used one the other day at Hua Lampong on the way back from China Town.

As NWA once rightly said, "F*** tha police".

So much bad information here.

If freelancers, who pay tax outside of Thailand and do not employ Thai staff or accept money from Thai businesses were breaking the law then every single Co-working space in Bangkok would be raided by the police each week for tea money.

But they aren't, because no one is breaking the law.

Why?

Because Thai law is yet to specifically address this type of work.

All the law firms here are well aware of this. Email Siam Legal and see the reply you get. They will tell you the same.

As another poster already pointed out, this is a problematic grey area because it would mean anyone conducting business via email, be it talking as a shareholder of a company or to tenants in the expat's home country, would constitute work and require a work permit.

What I am surprised is that some bright spark hasn't said "hang on a sec, why not tell all these online guys they can live here with a special permit and pay minimal tax compared with what they pay back home". Either that or just charge a flat per year fee for the permit.

BS. Speak with any lawyer firm in Thailand and they will tell you the same thing, you don't need a WP. You are not earning baht. You are working from and via US websites. Your clients are all outside of Thailand. Register yourself as self-employed to pay tax in your country of residence and don't take jobs with companies inside Thailand and you will be fine.

Basically these sex pests are referring to "freelance" prostitutes they pickup on Beach Road in Pattaya. This probably isn't the best place to ask this question because most of these guys are too old to understand the generation branded the "new rich" - i.e. those able to work and travel and make a great living. There are lots of IM guys, coders, freelance writers etc, making good money here. I would definitely check out Guru.com and elance.com too.

To deny this is happening is as sick as the perpetrators themselves. Shame on you, and shame on humanity.

What is this "i don't see it in shopping malls or in my local bar " so it can't be happening rubbish?

Just because you don't see the act taking place doesn't mean it isn't happening.

You cam here for cheap sex with second/third world hookers. So what is so unbelievable that there are others coming here for sex with second/third world kids?

Just take a look at the amount of pedophiles arrested in Pattaya. It is a hot spot destination for sex offenders from all over the world.

I don't know why I am bothering but....

The denial is that IT IS AT THE LEVEL DESCRIBED.

There is child abuse around the world. And it is probably higher in Pattaya, and Bangkok, and Hanoi, and every 3rd world city than in London. But it still exists in London. Poor children are used around the world.

The only comments I read from regulars to Pattaya state it is NOT as described in the article. There are NOT thousands of children clawing at your pants to sell themselves to the tourists. I do see street children. Most are trying to sell you some gum or trinkets. Some might have been taught how to steal. Many are kids taken from Lao and Cambodia and their future sucks. Many WILL be prostitutes in time. No doubt this is a travesty.

If you are unable to comprehend what other posters are commenting on why disparage them? NO ONE has defended pedophiles and no one will.

I will restate:

I have essentially lived in Pattaya for about 6 years in total. I have spend time in the gogo bars. I have spent time in the malls. I have spent time in the beer bars and massage parlors and every other venue offered in Pattaya. Yes, sex with WOMEN is offered on a staggering scale. It truly is the sodom and Gomorra of the modern era. And I don't doubt some of the offers are from underage girls (such as 16 or 17). And some men probably want that and search for it.

But I have NOT SEEN in all my travels the implied invasion of "children" ages 8-15 being used in the sex trade nor have I EVER been offered such a thing. True pedophiles are not accepted in public and I don't believe some of the BS I have read in this thread.

So what is your opinion on the countless arrests of western pedophiles in Pattaya? How do you explain that more western pedophiles have been arrested in Pattaya in the last 3 years than in all of the rest of Thailand? That is an undeniable fact. I don't want to have any more links removed by the moderators so just do a Google search. Moreover, check the Pattaya news on a weekly basis.

You say no one is defending it, but then why are so many people unwilling to directly address the amount of arrests? For a city of a little over 100,000 people, the volume of arrests is massive.

I am not saying it doesn't happen elsewhere. I am not saying child abuse doesn't happen all over Thailand, mainly by Thais. But what has been highlighted is the prevalence of western pedophiles operating in Pattaya because of the high volume of vulnerable children.

What is your problem with coming out and saying, yes, Pattaya, being a sex tourists paradise, is attracting an unhealthy amount of pedophiles. There's a worrying roadblock put up here by a lot of Pattaya residents, and it's this sort of denial and mocking of the HNN's efforts that will stop children being properly protected.

Still not buying it. It's rife in Bangkok. It's rife in Kansas City. It's rife in London. It's rife in Atlanta.

I think the Pattaya angle is largely about sensationalism, a convenient target for fundraising, and about shifting the blame on the foreigners.

What don't you buy? Do a Google search and see the amount of well known pedophiles arrested in Pattaya. I don't get what the problem with admitting that Pattaya has a problem is.

It's far easier to buy child sex in Pattaya than Kansas City or London. Pedophiles go where their prey is in abundance, thus they go to poorer countries, to Asia, thus they go to one of the largest sex tourism destinations in the world, Pattaya.

I suppose all the arrests are just made up. I suppose all those on sex offenders registers residing in Pattaya just thought it would be a nice place to retire.

Nobody ever said it never happens at a mall here.

Just that it's not especially visible.

Which it is NOT, I can assure you.

Pedos pick up their prey at malls in Kansas City too.

I don't get the overblown Pattaya angle.

Pedos are everywhere.

No one says it doesn't happen elsewhere. It's just rife in Pattaya. There is a problem. It has been well documented. Authorities are seeking to solve it. Foreign expat residents are seeking to deny it and sweep it under the carpet. That is a problem.

"The police have the evidence. The police have numerous people under surveillance. We also have this problem in Bangkok, but the statistics and reports we get at work show that Pattaya is the main destination for pedophiles in Thailand."

Kennypowers,with 32 posts under his belt ,reading about the "reports he gets at work" leads me to guess that you are one of the legion of moralists who come here to "work" with the underprivalaged , and get told a load of <deleted> by the street girls ,who off course have all been" sold" into slavery in the bars. sorry ,go back to selling the watchtower

No I am not. I am not religious either. Let me guess who you are; a man who moved to Thailand to sleep with third world prostitutes. Well done.

Oh look, another shopping mall pick up

Mr. Norman Wallis in the act of seducing a young 13 year old boy. Police confronted Wallis aged 79 from England and arrested him. Both he and the boy were taken back to the police station for questioning. According to Wallis, he paid 700 baht to the boy as requested when they met at a local shopping mall.

http://www.pattayapeople.com/Crime-News/British-Paedophile-Arrested-with-Teenage-Boy

Still in denial?

Who was it earlier saying how ridiculous it was that they suggest children are being picked up in shopping malls?

Well this came from the horses' mouth:

Tracey was arrested at his house in Bang Sarary where he’d allegedly been taking underage boys he picked up in Pattaya shopping malls, paying them 300-500 baht for sexual services.

http://www.pattayamail.com/localnews/german-briton-arrested-on-pedophile-charges-21820

Stop the denial.

Incredible!

Just like the Pattaya thread I was involved in the other day, not one Pattaya head addresses the facts. Not one person comments on any of the numerous links posted that prove that yes, Pattaya attracts more pedophiles than any other part of Thailand.

What pieces of the puzzle are you failing to put together here? This is why you have adopted the name "pattaya farangs" or "farang Pattaya" as Thais say.

I will spell it out for you. The pedophiles come to Pattaya because there's an abundance of street children to be taken advantage of.

There are currently 400+ children in the Pattaya orphanage, many of which have been taken off the streets. A percentage of these children will be factored into reports by the HNN.

Yes, the figure may be more like 1700, 1400 perhaps, but just the fact that the Pattaya orphanage website tells you where a lot of these children are coming from and the vulnerability they face on the streets of Pattaya should allow your brain to compute that Pattaya is attracting an unhealthy amount of pedophiles.

The police have the evidence. The police have numerous people under surveillance. We also have this problem in Bangkok, but the statistics and reports we get at work show that Pattaya is the main destination for pedophiles in Thailand.

I just can't see what you have to gain by completely denying cold hard evidence. You make yourselves look like you don't care about the children. It's as if you don't want to admit there's a problem. It's very disturbing.

This one guy was having 3-4 kids every Sunday for a long time. http://www.pattaya-smart.com/gregory_James_Miller_Pedofile.html

Swiss guy in June

Then there was the infamous "ghost" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-539228/British-paedophile-The-Ghost-accused-child-rape-times-arrested-AGAIN-Thailand.html

The cases are endless.

To deny this is happening is as sick as the perpetrators themselves. Shame on you, and shame on humanity.

What is this "i don't see it in shopping malls or in my local bar " so it can't be happening rubbish?

Just because you don't see the act taking place doesn't mean it isn't happening.

You cam here for cheap sex with second/third world hookers. So what is so unbelievable that there are others coming here for sex with second/third world kids?

Just take a look at the amount of pedophiles arrested in Pattaya. It is a hot spot destination for sex offenders from all over the world.

I am still waiting for you to point out on what levels my post was silly? In fact I am pretty sure you didn't read my post properly.

No girl is waiting for a Korean pop star to marry, it's just a natural thing for a teenager to fantasise about. They are young, it's what they should be doing. Moreover, Thai women are generally more emotionally immature than western women in my experience, thus the reason you hear so marry foreigners moaning about the childish behaviour of their partner.

Your point about young guys going home is invalid. I am not talking about tourists desperate to extend for a few months and find any way to stay. I am talking about guys making a decision to live here long term.

I moved here when I was 29. Tall, athletic and never having had a problem getting women back home, one might say I had my pick. But I am not so foolish as to choose a woman half my age with whom I have nothing in common with just because she says I look "handsum".

You make your bed, you must lie in it.

I don't think many of us are looking for teenage girls.

Choosing a girl half your age (29/2 = 14.5) would be illegal.

Usually my wife makes my bed.

The typical facetious ThaiVisa answer when he/she has no answer of real value, and knows that you are right. Over and out.

Somehow this thread has degenerated into the debasement of Thais, specifically Thai women and their obsession with money. So, speaking of stereotypes, let's look at the cold hard facts:

The majority of foreign men that come to Thailand are seeking sex with young, pretty women. Some find it with hookers for a while and then marry either a hooker they fall for or other Thai girl seeking a sugar daddy to "take care", usually half their age. Some use agencies or meet "the love of their life" through an introduction - again, usually half their age or at the very least a lot younger.

The relationship is contractual from the start. Why else would a beautiful Thai woman marry a man twice her age that she has nothing in common with? She marries to elevate her wealth and that of her family. In return the man gets to sleep with a young woman as he pleases, and enjoy her maid-like efforts in the kitchen and around the home.

This is commonplace. So much so that many of the embassies offer pre nuptial templates to their citizens that include a section on how much is to be given each month to the woman in question, her dependents and family. A friend recently showed me the Swiss version.

If you marry on this basis, do not then complain that your wife "is all about the money". She is marrying you for financial security. You are marrying her for sex, companionship, to be taken care of in your old age, to have a pretty, young thing on your arm, whatever...you know your reasons.

And yes, of course she is speaking with friends and other Thais about how much you give her and the assets you share. What else is she to speak about? Your romantic weekends away? Your mutual interest in fine art, Bob Dylan and Leonard Cohen? Famous Korean pop stars? Classic Thai Lakorn series?

Thai women lose face when they marry an elderly foreigner, fact. But this face is redeemed - ONLY- if you are rich and she can prove this to others - thus the gossip. As the Thai saying goes, why marry a poor foreigner when you can marry a poor Thai.

I've been reading this thread for 2 days, and I simply do not identify with this money obsession thing within a relationship. Sure, my wife and I want the best for our family, but we are no different to any other average couple. We are roughly the same age (she 34, me 35). We started dating because we had things in common and enjoyed each other's company. We like similar music, we have the same level of education, we enjoy travel, neither of us drink or smoke, etc etc.

Fact is, I could have married a stunning 18-20 year old Thai girl. I lost count of the number of times the "I have a friend or daughter line cropped up in my first year here". But what the hell would I have in common with an 18 year old Thai girl who'd barely finished school, spoke no English, was born in the mid ninetiesetc etc. I choose to marry someone who was marrying me for me, someone who will be there for me regardless of how much money is in my wallet.

And what the hell would a stunning 18 year old Thai girl see in me anyway? The majority of young Thai women don't even fancy "farang". They fancy Korean pop stars and other Asian heart throbs. Sure, she'd be happy to pretend she liked the crows feet round my eyes and my receding hairline, but in truth she'd be marrying me because her parents thought it was a good idea, because a foreign man will have money and she will have a good life - and they, too. The relationship would be non-existent. The resentment would build on both sides as I got bored of the sex and she failed to find any common ground with me. At best I'd become a father figure, and we'd both end up having affairs.

The reality is that too many foreigners enter relationships in Thailand with the naive belief that they will get this subservient Thai woman that is in awe of them and wants little more than to be graced with their company. It doesn't work like that. You want a whore in the bedroom and a maid around the home you have to meet your end of the bargain, and the older and more intolerable you become, expect your end of the bargain to get more expensive.

Of course there are many loving, successful relationships where big age gaps are concerned. I have friends who have 15 years between them. But they are on the same intellectual level, one is not hugely wealthy in comparison with the other, and neither party set out to find a rich and older, or pretty and younger partner. It's a meeting of minds not a contract. And let's not kid ourselves, that type of relationship seldom happens here between Thai lady and foreign man.

For sure, rak gin mai dai (love cannot eat) as some Thais say, but if someone is only marrying you so they can eat better meals, know that their appetite will grow, and if you can't provide a bigger plate, your marriage will be in trouble.

This post is just silly on so many levels.

Yep, men come to Thailand seeking young pretty SLIM women, same for old and young men.

It's just the young men have to go home after their holiday money runs out.

They aren't interacting with a better quality of woman, they just aren't experienced enough (or here long enough) to recognise that.

The truth is too many MEN enter into relationships with women where they will be stripped of everything they have.

The ugly truth is, in almost every heterosexual relationship, the usual flow of money is from the man to the woman. By the end of the relationship, she has made a net gain, he has made a net loss.

Good luck getting that Korean pop star, Koreans wouldn't look twice at a Thai girl, they want a Korean girl.

In the end everyone who wants a relationship, has to settle for what they can get.

You make the bet and take your chance. Don't let your fear put you off.

I am still waiting for you to point out on what levels my post was silly?

In fact I am pretty sure you didn't read my post properly.

No girl is waiting for a Korean pop star to marry, it's just a natural thing for a teenager to fantasise about. They are young, it's what they should be doing. Moreover, Thai women are generally more emotionally immature than western women in my experience, thus the reason you hear so marry foreigners moaning about the childish behaviour of their partner.

Your point about young guys going home is invalid. I am not talking about tourists desperate to extend for a few months and find any way to stay. I am talking about guys making a decision to live here long term.

I moved here when I was 29. Tall, athletic and never having had a problem getting women back home, one might say I had my pick. But I am not so foolish as to choose a woman half my age with whom I have nothing in common with just because she says I look "handsum".

You make your bed, you must lie in it.

I respectfully disagree MR. Kennypowers....

You state...."The majority of foreign men that come to Thailand are seeking sex with young, pretty women"

I kinda stopped reading your post after that as I'm in the minority (that is IF your statement is true about the "majority") ....Thailand was a stopover for me years ago when I was on my way to Nepal from the US. Some bad luck (looking back on it ....actually was the best thing to happen to me) ....I got sick while in Bangkok....went to the hospital and that's where I met my wife (two years younger) ...the rest is history...been married to her for 7 years and love living in Thailand

I stand corrected. I shouldn't have written "the majority", I meant "a lot". Things have definitely changed since I first came here. Many young guys, and indeed girls, particularly those with the freedom of working online are moving here, which is started to break up the stereotype a tad. In my friendship group there are 4 Thai-foreign couples all under 35.

Lovely story. Here's to another 7 years of happiness and beyond for you both.