arnold40844

I think what you are saying is absolutely correct, everyone on here is very quick to diss Thai cops. I have as much respect here for law enforcement officers as i do back home. The thing that concern me though is that bent and corrupt officers seem to be in far greater numbers here than the UK. Suppose you are involved in such an incident where you feel like you're being stitched up, at what point do you resist? Or do they just have abosolute power over you to do whatever they want? I suppose that's the power that turns a lot of them in to <deleted> in the first place.

It is just exactly that arnold40844 The stuff that is not in your control and not entirely open management if unfairly target. It just feels like unbalanced - Since it would not take much for any situation like yours to go in a different direction if you were unlucky with the personal intent of the officials stopping you - Difficult to know how to swing the control back around when in a remote place with few choices to negotiate from.

What is the translation for "ton tee khon yoo kang lang".?

Spambot,

Discretion is the better part of valor.
I think you handled the incident as any intelligent person would have.
All of this banter of taking control from cops is hyperbole.

Cops do not relinquish control and it doesn't go well for any bloke who attempts to take it.

That is true for cops everywhere and it should be. They are charged with that duty and anything less would be dereliction of that duty.

Its quite amazing to me how many people on TV hate cops.
If not for cops the crime rate against drunken farang would be very high.

Yeah its a scary thought proccess of how things could escalate quickly to you being over powered and thrown in the back of a pickup, not to see daylight for a few years. I put myself in that position though. I had a bit of a Eureka moment whilst waiting in what was basically Cambodian jungle surrounded by armed officers where I just thought "what the <deleted> am I doing here"

I think iit means something to the effect of "While you're down there"

It is just exactly that arnold40844 The stuff that is not in your control and not entirely open management if unfairly target. It just feels like unbalanced - Since it would not take much for any situation like yours to go in a different direction if you were unlucky with the personal intent of the officials stopping you - Difficult to know how to swing the control back around when in a remote place with few choices to negotiate from.

What is the translation for "ton tee khon yoo kang lang".?

I wonder if the officer would have seen the funny side to you saying "ton tee khon yoo kang lang".....

I suppose its just one of those things you have to shake off and count yourself lucky. I had a delay caused by a couple of officers at a Cambodian border about a month ago, the two of them left with my passport on a motorbike, I was concerned about missing my bus... Your mind starts to wonder and was thinking about how exposed I was, they probably all get back handers for Meth and other drugs going through, i was just thinking to my self how easy it would be for them to plant something on me to keep senior officers off their back for not making an arrest.

i think at the end of the day people in this situation walk by for different reasons. My reasoning was not that I didn't care about the persons welfare it was that I failed to see how I could have helped the situation. I expected just to hear "Khun Farang Bye" or something t that effect. The bus driver seemed to be on it and i would probably have just made the situation worse.

I don't think I deserve to be called the lowest form of scum and all the other insulting remarks for making that judgement call. But appreciate the feedback.

I really cant even make out what your talking about, the station is not on the left??.. It would have been at least 400M to cross the road safely. I am not really aware of when rush hour starts or stops its always carnage out there..

i started off describing the incident and ended up defending myself against people like you who were throwing insults.

I wrote this post because I was concerned by how many people had their head down. At least I stayed there long enough to see her get to other side of the road and ran through the feasibility of how and if i could help.

And as for the other 10 accidents that I have witnessed here this has always been as a passenger.

@Arnold40844

I have reread your story several times, or should i say story's, to many differences

If any of these really happened, then thats appalling, you even somewhere have stated that you did similar like 10 times, without getting involved...

"early morning about 6am,. About 12 feet in front of me I saw a woman went under a bus while riding a moped. She was not dead or anything, at worst broke a few bones but was obviously in a lot of pain. "

Thats far away from the statement where you mention that you would have to make 400 meters to cross the road.

rush hour starts at 7 am

BTS starts first ride at 06.00 am

There is no way to stand still , right side at rush hour to get your wife on BTS, in normal driving direction , the BTS entry is at your left side, so is the place where you normaliter stop...

you changed your story and details to many times

You'r a Troll and the story is BS

If the story is true, then you are a walking shame for mankind...

I would really need to draw a digram to give you the picture but when i said 400 metres i was refering to the overpass, the nearest one being the BTS. The accident was in the middle of the junction and I was at the corner of one of the sides to the junction, she hobbled to the pavement diagonally across from me so it was diagoonally 4 lanes across but I would have had to cross over my road first then deal with Sukhumvit.12 to 15ft may be it was more like 20, seemed pretty close.

Anyway think whatever you like I really could not care any less.

Its not my fault that you lack the ability to visualize the scene. I could draw a diagram for you if you like. All in all there are 12 lanes of traffic meeting at one junction. 4/4/4. Now the way the road works is that you have 2 lanes going one way and two lanes going the other way i was on the very right hand side of the 4 lane road that meets Sukhimvit,

Anyway its pretty common place on here, everything I have posted on this site has ended in me being called a lying troll. Lol

As far i see this: its a troll

In his first post, the accident happened 12 ft in front of him....

Then 6 lanes, other side , now 8 lanes ???

Troll Troll Troll

So thats clarified then...

You have been Trolling before, otherwise you wouldn't be called a Trol

Now we can ad the word Lying...

If the accident did happened 12 feet in front of you.... ( your statement in the original post )

And later you claim the 400 meters to walk to cross the lanes, then you never where even near an conjunction with red lights or even an BTS station...

I'll rest the case, you are an LT with a lot of BS ( by your own admittance )

Its not my fault that you lack the ability to visualize the scene. I could draw a diagram for you if you like. All in all there are 12 lanes of traffic meeting at one junction. 4/4/4. Now the way the road works is that you have 2 lanes going one way and two lanes going the other way i was on the very right hand side of the 4 lane road that meets Sukhimvit,

Anyway its pretty common place on here, everything I have posted on this site has ended in me being called a lying troll. Lol

As far i see this: its a troll

In his first post, the accident happened 12 ft in front of him....

Then 6 lanes, other side , now 8 lanes ???

Troll Troll Troll

Someone mentioned that I had made a mistake by posting it. I just gave him the reason as to why I posted it.

It happened and I was genuinely interested in the responses.

@Arnold40844;

You said and i quote "I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek."

So this was an made up story ?

troll

I think you misread my analogy. I meant that running over to help with no phone or ability to communicate is like someone running in to an empty cockpit of a plane full of good intentions as it plummets to the ground. There were people everywhere more equipped to help than me and also on the same side of the junction to the injured party.

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OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

What a way to pick up a chick...way to go..

*Showbags*

I never said any different. I was concerned for the persons well-being asking my wife if we should help, I decided not to get involved on my own. A decision that I admitted to feeling ashamed about.

But as the fireman says you do have to way up the situation before getting involved. Suppose you are on a plane flying over the pacific and the pilot has a heart attack, running in to the cockpit shouting "I can help, I can help" when you have no flying or CPR experience. I might be a noble act but is in no way helpful.. This was kind of how I played out my involvement in my head.

So if you were on a plane...would you just sit back in the pax seat and wait to see what happens next....or jump in and do something....after all, it could not get much worse right ?

Don't feel ashamed about it, shit happens....maybe next time....the simplest thing just might help someone next time...

Tell me if that was your wife and she later told you in hospital that nobody would help...how would you feel.

Of course it is all about weighing up the individual situation....but if you can, you do.....in my book anyway.

haha i was ready for it. I just wanted to get an idea of how people feel about this unfortunate but common situation. Its very mixed to be fair, lots of people would turn the other cheek.

OP - you made a serious misjudgement... when you decided to share this story with us.

Thanks buddy. I was starting to feel pretty awful reading through the posts.

I'm always the first one to get involved in situations like this. This is why I said in the original post about becoming desensitized. Its just I have seen so many accidents in the last 9 months, I have little respect for road users in this country, its like they are all trying to cause accidents or something. I am constantly telling taxis to slow down, I won't go on Soi bikes anymore after a couple of close calls, even on my estate I cringe at how fast some of tools drive around. And the way these motorbikes weave in and out of traffic undertaking at busy junctions, one gets to the point where one of them gets hit and your almost saying "that should <deleted> teach ya".

OP, I wouldn't beat myself up about it too much. Sometimes we just aren't ready to respond to situations in the way we ought to. I don't think very many people are any different. I have seen for myself what can happen.

I remember years ago I was out on the piss one Saturday night, barhopping around Nana, Soi Cowboy and so forth. I saw a guy, a westerner, rolling around in the gutter in agony on Sukumvit between Soi 15 and 13 around midnight. I stood there watching, thinking, I better go help him, but thought no, I'm too drunk, someone else would be better to do it. I couldn't bring myself to just walk away tho, and after several minutes and literally hundreds of people passing him on that busy Sukhumvit stretch of sidewalk, I watched many, mostly westerners pass him by, some of them even gawking and carrying on with their parties.

Finally, I really could not bear to just leave him there and pulled him out of the gutter onto the sidewalk. I well knew that perhaps I could make matters worse by moving him, but what was I going to do, leave him to be run over by a bus? When I got him onto the sidewalk He said he'd been nailed by a motorcyclist, he thought maybe his legs were broken. A Thai girl saw me talking to the guy and she asked what was wrong and so that made things easier and we were able to lift him up and put him into a taxi and take him to Bumrungrad Hospital. Luckily he was insured, had his card with him and we left him at the hospital.

I think, OP, that I would just chalk it up to experience and hope that it will prepare you for the next time you see a similar thing happen, you may then be more ready to do something to help then. That you are even giving it a second thought is probably nearly as important as having helped.

*Showbags*

I never said any different. I was concerned for the persons well-being asking my wife if we should help, I decided not to get involved on my own. A decision that I admitted to feeling ashamed about.

But as the fireman says you do have to way up the situation before getting involved. Suppose you are on a plane flying over the pacific and the pilot has a heart attack, running in to the cockpit shouting "I can help, I can help" when you have no flying or CPR experience. I might be a noble act but is in no way helpful.. This was kind of how I played out my involvement in my head.

Dear Kovaltech,

I have not changed the story, I was on the right hand side of the road at a junction that joins Sukhumvit, if I get the opportunity I usually cross to the other side to face oncoming traffic so I can drop the wife off closer to the BTS. The accident happened in the middle of the junction and the bus involved was on the other side of the road to me. Given that the bus had blocked the road the traffic stuck behind it was pulling out while the light was red and going between me and the person on the ground. she made her way to the other side of the road as most of the traffic was stuck behind the bus. There were loads of people about and with no phone and unable to communicate I just went home.

If I am to be branded an inhumane, and coldblooded coward then so be it.

Having been a fire and rescue worker for more than 30 years I have attended hundreds of R.T.C.s. (Road Traffic Collisions).

One that will always stick in my memory is of a lady who stopped to help with a collision on the opposite carriage way.

Whilst crossing the road she was hit by a lorry and died instantly.

So before you all condemn arnold40844 for his decision, with all due respect you were not there at the time to make a risk assessment.

He did what he thought best at the time under the circumstances.

I am sure that in a different situation where it was safe to do so, he would jump to the chance to help.

Have a nice day.

Sorry Firefox,

Either the OP is trolling or changing his story to make him feel comfee with what he did...( or didn't do )

Reread his post: 12 ft in front of him...!!!!!!!!!! thats less then a car length... thats 4 secs for an normal person...

i can not coop with his disgraceful behavior or his wife's...

Shame shame shame

As I said before i did not have a phone on me.. There was no doubt in my mind that someone involved would have had the ability and sense to to call the emergency services, the bus driver, someone on the bus.. i had no phone and even know the number.

Like I said I felt bad that I could not/did not do anything.. Maybe will pay the price with my soul at the gates of hell.

OP .. While I do understand your dilemma, you should have tried helping her in someway ... and obviously you know that now. Even without speaking Thai or being medically qualified, you could have tried comforting the woman, or maybe given your phono to someone and shouted "call police, call police" ... or something. Besides not helping the person in some way, you/we damage our self, our self-respect ... and maybe even our soul ... when we turn and run in such situations.

I agree with you 100% but please understand that it was not like they were lying there in a pool of blood.. Had that been the case I would have acted differently. As i said she was stumbling about trying to get to her feet she reached the other side of the road from me and removed her own helmet. Crossing 6 lanes of traffic to ask how she was doing would have been a suicide mission, with the bus blocking the traffic everyone was just beeping and driving aggressively. When you see an accident on the other side of a freeway, do you stop the car on the hard shoulder and cross 6 lanes of traffic to attend to wounded? i have never seen this happen and to be fair I think it would just cause more accidents.

How would you feel if it was you under the bus and everybody ignored you. You should feel bad and not lower yourself to the scumbags who turn the other way.

She's a human being in need of help , shame on you.

Absolutely right on.....indeed you should be totally ashamed of yourself along with the others here who support your action. In the name of God...what is wrong with you? How could you possibly get on your bike and ride off into the far blue yonder and leave a living injured person lying alone in the street...........as the saying goes......."You wouldn't do it to a dog"

Did it not occur to you that your presence alone would have been a comfort. If she were to have died from her injuries...at least she would not have died alone...she would have had the company of another caring human being to hold onto by the hand.

I was in Morocco one time and heard a commotion outside our hotel. Myself, wife and daughter opened the window and looked down from the 1st floor. A "lady of the night" had been hit by a car that sped off...there was blood everywhere. We immediately threw down all the pillows from the room and ran down to the street to comfort her. The police came and were very angry with us for interfering.....(something about catching Aids, or something). It wouldn't have made any difference to us..........better ttwe caught Aids and died trying to help another soul than to ignore her and live a very long selfish, self centered existence.

Sorry for being so angry with you, I'm just shocked at the support for your action...is it not a "No brainer". It's pathetic how low the human race has sunk to.

Again, I apoligise for sounding off....it is not my usual form....but this one just really got under my skin.

So just to clarify on your opinion. You are basically saying that all the cars that were passing, all the people getting off and on the BTS, all the people in the shops and market stools, the passengers on the bus, the people in the houses on either of the road, everyone who witnessed the incident should have got involved including myself who was probably the only one in a 1000 meter radius that did not speak Thai.

Its not the first accident I have witnessed here, its more like the 10th, and I did not get involved in any of them.

I definitely gauged the situation and considered approaching those involved, weighing up how my involvement might help. I was looking at the woman to see if she was okay from the other side of the road and at the bus driver to see what he was doing to get help. He seemed more concerned about the damage to his bus.

Its great to hear from all the people on here who would have turned in to superman like heros dealing with 8 lanes of incoming traffic in the middle of a junction that says no jay walking during rush-hour.

My wife was running a bit late for work and was off like a shot to get on the BTS. There were 6 lanes of traffic, its a very busy junction and it was the morning rush, all cars just ignore the red lights, I would have had to walk out in traffic to get to her whilst people were beeping and trying to get passed. I didn't have my phone as I'd only nipped out to drop the wife at the station. I suppose I just felt there were lots of people around more qualified to help from a communication perspective as well as having a phone to call the emergency services. I felt like there was nothing I could have done.

Looking back though, maybe there was.

I understand...but what if you just plucked up the courage to stand out and go and direct traffic around her....I am sure others would then come and assist at some point....the first step is always the hardest.

Oh dear god...thats your excuse....best you give up now before you really put your foot in it.

I was there saying "okay isn't someone going to help"? I stayed there trying to think of something i could do. The cars are just manic, I would have had to find somehere to park my bike and then walk 400M to get over the road bridge. It was not like I was standing over an injured person.

People have to try understand the context of this situation before branding me a weak pathetic coward. I did not walk away because of cowardice or lack of compassion. I was on the bike in traffic with cars whizzingpassed everywhere, I could not just get off the bike and leave it in the road, the accident was close to the center of the junction and she went on to the other side of Sukhumvit. There were people everywhere and I made a judgement call.

Sir, pray to God it never happens, but sometime that could be your wife lying there ......................................

I definitely gauged the situation and considered approaching those involved, weighing up how my involvement might help. I was looking at the woman to see if she was okay from the other side of the road and at the bus driver to see what he was doing to get help. He seemed more concerned about the damage to his bus.

Its great to hear from all the people on here who would have turned in to superman like heros dealing with 8 lanes of incoming traffic in the middle of a junction that says no jay walking during rush-hour.

My wife was running a bit late for work and was off like a shot to get on the BTS. There were 6 lanes of traffic, its a very busy junction and it was the morning rush, all cars just ignore the red lights, I would have had to walk out in traffic to get to her whilst people were beeping and trying to get passed. I didn't have my phone as I'd only nipped out to drop the wife at the station. I suppose I just felt there were lots of people around more qualified to help from a communication perspective as well as having a phone to call the emergency services. I felt like there was nothing I could have done.

Looking back though, maybe there was.

I understand...but what if you just plucked up the courage to stand out and go and direct traffic around her....I am sure others would then come and assist at some point....the first step is always the hardest.

It seems like you have made up your own image of what happened here and its is a long way from how the situation occurred. There was no pool of blood and no open wounds, it may have been a broken leg and a cracked rib, she sort of half crawled to the other side of the road by her self, after lying there for about a minute. She was on the other side of the road there were 6 lanes of traffic separating us, all trying to negotiate their way passed the bus. I would have had to go over the over pass to get to her.

I was sitting on my bike watching, assuming someone would tend to her but they were all just walking passed. I just figured they could sort it out themselves and that me getting involved would have had no posiitive effect on the situation. The thought of trying to reassure someone who is in shock whilst speaking a language they cannot understand. I just thought I could leave them to deal with it, the bus driver was out and walking around... It was a busy street there were people everywhere, all Thai.

To be honest...anyone that just wanders off doing nothing...ESPECIALLY if nobody else is doing anything...is just low, they really need to take a look at themselves quite seriously.

You may not have been able to do anything....but, and its a big but, you may have at least been able to put pressure on a very bad bleed and help stem the flow until help arrives....if nothing, you ould have at least sat with the person and comforted them, reasuring them help is coming.

How would you feel laying on the road....nobody assisting in any way whatsoever....what if that was your son or daughter or wife !!!!

My wife was running a bit late for work and was off like a shot to get on the BTS. There were 6 lanes of traffic, its a very busy junction and it was the morning rush, all cars just ignore the red lights, I would have had to walk out in traffic to get to her whilst people were beeping and trying to get passed. I didn't have my phone as I'd only nipped out to drop the wife at the station. I suppose I just felt there were lots of people around more qualified to help from a communication perspective as well as having a phone to call the emergency services. I felt like there was nothing I could have done.

Looking back though, maybe there was.

Yes I was on a bike and No I'm not a trained medic. As for calling family that would have been my first suggestion had I intervened, but its very unlikely that I would have been able to communicate with her or her family. From what I understand after an accident the bike and the bus will remain untouched and not moved until the police get there for insurance purposes.

Had I intervened I think due to communication issues i would have just made the situation worse. Going up to someone and asking them if they are okay and do they know where they are after and accident when they can't understand you is not exactly going to be comforting.

Anyway more so I was just a bit horrified that no one seemed to go help her including my wife.

You are probably right!... but it got you here reading it and looking at all the revenue generating ads lol

Who paid for their trip to France?

Who arranged their visas for the whole family?

Troll post and a load of BS.

Theres no way a French student can arrange for a Thai family to go to France on a Schengen visa.

Where did they stay? At your Mummy's house? LOL

VISA REQUIREMENTS FOR SCHENGEN VISA

Passport (valid for 6 months)
Copy of passport's photo page
Completed Visa application form
Two color ID photos size 3.5 cm x 4.5 cm in white background
Proof of Employment - This will be in the forms of:
Employment which specifically states the applicant's position
If self employed, provide copy of Business registration certificate
Sponsorship letter from the inviting French resident
Motivation Letter - that which relates you reason of visiting France
Proof of accommodation
bank book, bank statements, payment slips showing sufficient funds
Flight reservation and proof of accommodation
APPLYING THROUGH SPONSORSHIP

The sponsor needs to furnish documents proving his financial capacity, should provide a confirmed booking of a return flight tickets, proof of accommodation, a copy of his passport's photopage and all pages stamped by the Thai immigration, proof of medical insurance and motivation letter.

Whats wrong with your own girls? Cant you get in with Alizee?

There are plenty of Thais who can travel easy and have no problems getting visa, not all are poor....

His story is BS.

He says he has got close to her father too. What? Got close to him via Skype? LOL. Only her and her mother apparently came to visit not the father.

I think in your situation only you can to make this decision. No one other than yourself knows all the variables. Most of what you will get here is the opinion that this is a 2 for a penny hooker who's scheming with her family to take advantage of wealthy foreigners and that she may have 4 or 5 people on the go like you.

Its an awful stereotype to make but it is what a lot of women do here. Although I have not been on receiving end of a situation like this I have seen it first hand, girls her age being sold off to 3 or 4 different men to pay for her parents retirement. Even if this is not her intention it could be the case that her family are rubbing their hands together. A recent situation a friend was in: Thai boy gets Thai girl pregnant, both in early 20s. Thai girls mum holds his family to a dowry of a New Car, 1 million baht plus a few other requests, they refused to pay and the Thai girls mother says pay or we abort the child.

One thing that you have to understand before making this decision is that in Thailand the above situation is not only socially accepted its expected.

But times are changing and always evolving, education is this country is exponentially better than it was 20 years ago, people are becoming more westernized. I think the dowry will die out with the generations like bride kidnapping has in Uzbekistan.

I fell for a French girl when I was 18, dropped my studies started work and we moved in together. We were together for about 4 years, it did not end well and left me in a bit of a dark place. But that's life and if you don't go through it you wont have lived.

I have made some bad choices in life but the only real regret I have is dropping out of Uni, it constantly comes back and bites you in the ass.

I say go for it! But make sure you keep an open mind and don't be afraid to walk away. Do 12 months in Thailand on an Ed-Visa.

The stuff i managed to get is definitely imported from Lao by CB Distribution Co, a Thai company.

If its anything like the distribution chain for Chang I wouldn't be surprised if some gets spoiled by heat. I doubt the lorries are air conditioned and from what i can see the its still brewed in Vientiane. Thats a long drive to Bangkok this time of year. There may be some real depth to what you are saying.

You could get on to CB Distribution perhaps with an order enquiry, ask for details of how they move the the beer from Laos as you are concerned about spoiling but interested in 2 or 3 pallets a week etc.

All this talk of beer, Think its time to crack an ice cold Beerlao, As my Dad would always say "its 5 o'clock somewhere".

Maybe this is a question for another thread but...

I was just up north visiting the in-laws; they live very near to the Lao border.

Secured both beer lao and lao dark from the Lao side

As a regular drinker of beer lao here in bkk I noticed that the beer lao from lao tastes much better than what you get here. Is it because what you get in Th. is brewed in Th, or just because the beer from lao is fresher?

Any thoughts?