Rakathaorai

I don't think anyone told you that OP means Original Poster ... ie YOU

Additionally if your fiancee has the baby at age 13 (very common out there) her body would bounce back very fast and have no stretch marks or other signs.

The guy who recommended a lawyer and yourself for thinking that is a good idea don't really have much fore thought .... what good would that do? Allow you to write up a better dowry contract or something?

As I said before hire a professional investigator and mate if I am not right I will pay the bill for you! Also as some said do some investigative work yourself ... new online account ... ask to see her computer phone etc ... be honest say that because from all your recent research that everyone says that she will have other bfs on the go and you want to prove that wrong..... she wont give you access though. Why? because there will be evidence of this.

I agree AZNs can lie better than farang ... face is their nature!

Most Thai girls are driven by a desire to help and support their parents, this help includes marrying for money. But just because they do marry for money doesn't mean to say the relationship they enter into isn't a strong and loving one that will endure. The cynics will be along shortly to tell us that the issues of love and money shouldn't be mixed, regrettably it is so here in Thailand and it's part of the culture in many families so you may as well accept that.

So really all that leaves is the question of your feelings and how much, as you are finding out the amount is negotiable and you can't really fault them for starting with a high number, what you finish with is another story however. The option of course is to say it's all nonsense, in which case your relationship is likely over and you will have to walk away, the choice is yours. From experience the engagement party is not common and the exchange of rings sounds like a cross between old Thai and modern farang cultures, bless them! It sounds to me like you had an engagement party and not a wedding, you would almost certainly know if it was the latter.

Yes she is driven by the desire to support her parents. At our second talk about dowry it was just me and her mom. She said that she didn't think I was stable enough to take care of her and I walked away... maybe should have kept going. The next day her dad called and wanted to have breakfast like we did every day before. He said they liked me and the dowry was up to me. I see her mom always on facebk with over 3000 friends so I know she is concerned about gossip.

I think the engagement was what it was because I am a good guy and only here for a short time and they do not want to loose me (or my ATM) . I did feel pressured into it, but that is the past now. She wanted me to have a ring since I will soon leave for 7-8 month to travel and work. She always tells me I better not take it off. I think that they are sincere, but this practice is still shady! It was announced as an engagement, with no monk. The string tying thing at her grandparents is what threw me for a loop. I thought that was for marry??

OMG man 99.9999999% these people are scammers playing your <3 ! You are THE PERFECT target..... green as they come AND you have to disappear for work 7-8 months at a time!

Grab as much of your gold and money back asap and run for the hills! Then use some of it on an investigator who will provide you evidence of this girl playing other farang at the same time with a similar story, likely that the daughter is hers and that she already has a Thai bf or husband that she is having conjugal relations on a regular basis... likely all of these combined.

Then you can feel much better and justified about being a bastard for a few minutes grabbing all your money and gold back!

Most probably you will also get info from the PI about the other guys she is scamming and you can save them some grief and would be happy to pitch in on the PI costs to see the evidence themselves!

FYi there are heaps of affordable reliable investigators around precise because this type of shit is par for the course in SE Asia!

Hahaahah

yes indeed you have alot of imagination

Anyways i just try to gain more knowledge here and share what i know with others in this forum.

I thought that is the purpose of these online forums but if you want be sarcastic fine also..

I think its stupid and ignorant people maybe as your self that never ask advise...

But my free advise for you in this forum is that you should read posts more carefully before you begin to say who is a developer and who is not !

It's advice not advise!

I don't see any forthcoming there however it would be interesting to here in which location you are getting 9% net return (plus hopefully some capital appreciation)

I'ts hear not here!

lol touche

Ironic i made the same mental lapse 55

Oh & it's it's not I'ts!

to be continued ......

Academic qualifications normally disqualifies you for work in the real world.

In the OP's case it was the broker who called and offered his service. This was not accepted, hence nothing has to be paid.

If the buyer then goes around the broker, then what can the broker do. Throw a fit?

55 Yes the ability to do always usurps a piece of paper that shows someone jumped through some hoops. However in cases of Law of Contract some study and comprehension would be helpful.

I agree in this can there was no contract.

My above posts cover the many cases where there was a verbal contract and yet it was not honoured.

- ขายดาว์น 660,000 บาท

- ผ่อนดาว์นต่อเดือน 8,270 บาท

- พร้อมอยู่ประมาณ พ.ค.57

ขาย means selling

ดาว์น (down) means down payments already made

ผ่อนดาว์นต่อเดือน means further down payments due per month

พร้อมอยู่ประมาณ means estimated time of project completion and buyer to occupy

Thanks man <3

Hahaahah

yes indeed you have alot of imagination

Anyways i just try to gain more knowledge here and share what i know with others in this forum.

I thought that is the purpose of these online forums but if you want be sarcastic fine also..

I think its stupid and ignorant people maybe as your self that never ask advise...

But my free advise for you in this forum is that you should read posts more carefully before you begin to say who is a developer and who is not !

It's advice not advise!

I don't see any forthcoming there however it would be interesting to here in which location you are getting 9% net return (plus hopefully some capital appreciation)

IMHO brokers here are pretty useless and lazy buggers, just fishing for the occasional bite. I'd only use them in the border line cases, ie. hard to find/hard to sell properties. A lawyer will handle the common paperwork for about 10k. A couple of days on a scooter will show you the spots you're interested in. As a seller making exclusive arrangements makes zero sense unless you have a real barn of a house no one wants.

All in all, in this regard the Thais win the Farang west 100-0.

I appreciate what you are saying in many cases is true. None the less what I said is in fact law and moral if you had any verbal agreement with a broker. Also it is possible that a broker could actually deliver in regards to what I am saying. My particular interest is as someone with Australia real estate academic qualifications looking to relocate to Thailand permanently I believe I could set up a company in Thailand that offers a far superior service to what is commonly available, which would create a win/win situation for vendors and his agent. So this has been quite and interesting thread as I survey the competition.

Going it alone is a definitely workable possibility particularly when most Thai RE business are extraordinarily lax and arguably do not offer good value for money.

Ideally a good agent should improve returns and reduce work load for a vendor.

As a potential buyer I have seen the opposing sides of the coin though. On the occasions where I used agents in my search(es)., It's fair to say that the owners of 90% of the properties I was introduced to by agents passed their private number and/or e-mail address, with the comment 'we can cut a deal'.

Law of Contract is usually based on an offer, an acceptance and then consideration (usually money ) being exchanged. If there was a verbal agreement between agent and vendor and the agent did in fact introduce the buyer then cutting "a deal" direct and bypassing the broker is illegal as well as immoral.

The fact most Thai agents don't get their agency contracts written up signed and witnessed is probably a legacy of AZN face and ways of doing business for centuries:

If you are somewhat involved anywhere in a transaction then it is expected and upheld in AZN society that you will get a cut of the action. To AZNs it is unthinkable for this not to be paid.

Farang come from a more formalised written environment and are aware that verbal contracts, whilst being legally enforceable, are notoriously hard to enforce if disputed (ie lied about) and when they cut agents out, after an introduction, they dishonour the AZN system of integrity of FACE as well as commit a (admittedly hard to enforce) crime!

For the record I have not worked in the real estate industry for years and have no agenda except for integrity. Which is an area we should lead Thais and Asians in.

Additionally I would say in many cases, internationally, a vendor will often recieve a higher price when the property is solely sold through a broker. This is because of often a real or perceived greater number of interested partie and a sense greater surity & soundeness of the property and price from someone knowledgaeble of the industryand the local market (bearing in mind the definition of market value is where a buyer and seller meet).

The fact that many farang scam the brokers by cutting them out is literally criminal. The fact that some brokers do low quality or limited work is irrelevant to this. You could contract with the broker how many hours a month you expect to be spent on your promoting and selling your property the exent and quality of the advertising, photographs and videography etc and ensure that there is highquality work for that percentage. In Australia I have seen many times that there are benefits to a vendor giving an exclusive contract to an agent as he will put mucho resources into moving the property fast for top dollar.

SE Asia is somewhat the wild west even if it is in the east. Maybe farang should show more integrity in this area for the greater good?

Is touchdown a mistranslation of deposit or? Pay 8,270 baht per month touchdown over and above teh deposit for howmany months?

May next year appears to be the completion date (expected)

Is this a scam or something I am missing about BKK condo development?

- ขายห้อง 2 Bedroomทิศตะวันออกเฉียงเหนือ
- 2 ห้องนอน 2ื ห้องน้ำ
-ห้องมุม ชั้น 9 ขนาด 59.15 ตร.ม.
- พร้อมเฟอร์นิเจอร์ และเครื่องใช้ไฟฟ้า
- ขายดาว์น 660,000 บาท
- ผ่อนดาว์นต่อเดือน 8,270 บาท
- พร้อมอยู่ประมาณ พ.ค.57

- Bedroom 2 Bedroom northeast.
- 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms interests.
- Corner, 9 Size 59.15 sq.m.
- Furnished And electrical appliances
- 660,000 baht for a touchdown.
- pay 8,270 baht per month touchdown.
- May 57 and about

ize 59 sqm (built-up) Price: 699,000 (Baht) More Info: Special Features:

• Corner Unit

• City View

Fixtures & Fittings:

• Air conditioning

• Cooker Hob/Hood

Outdoor / Indoor Space:

• Balcony

Amenities:

• Club
• Clubhouse
• CCTV

• Fitness corner
• Open car park

• 24 hours security
• Swimming pool

I imagine this is sold as its a 6 month old post but why is it high up on teh first page being so old. I am new here so forgive my ignorance I have been on pattaya forums for years. Am I looking in the wrong place?