Maha Sarakham Marty

Khun Suthep should change his name: Khun Mussolini would be more correct.

No matter what some of you posters think of him, I find no comparison ---re Mussolini Hitler Some of you do not know your history or are crazy enough to type tripe. Suthep maybe whatever you think Good or bad for Thailand but you lot are way OTT with this liking to .

That's precisely why moderators have several times directed forum members to cease making the asinine comparisons...yet some trolls still persist in posting them.

Yea, but... Yingluck is getting nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. So that THAT Suthep!

Hahaha... Yes, sorry I forget about her pending victory as a Nobel Prize winner.

LOL

Asia's Person of the Year trumps Yingluck's Thailand Woman of the Year.

The aim for the Democrats is to rewrite the constitution to hinder or water down the weight of the votes from the Northern Provinces

Do you have anything to support your unfeasible contention?

A question to the Brits, Aussies and canucks out there?

How long do you think this could go on in your country before the military and other people were told to step in and stop it.

Within a few months of his first election in 2001 when billions were found in the accounts of his servants.

One question:

the press continues to use the adjective "fugitive" before his name. Is that really fair?

Yes. Absolutely.

And the problem with your argument is that Amsterday is the paid mouthpiece of a convicted fugitive from justice and therefor anything but unbiased.

He no longer represents the former PM.

Then I guess the title to the thread should be changed?

It's valid. He's still Thaksin's lawyer.

Never hurts to have a look for yourself at what some posters on here claim, no matter how assured they may sound.

Thaksin Shinawatra's Canadian lawyer Robert Amsterdam was red-faced last week after a nasty message got loose from his Twitter account.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Thems-fightin-tweets-Thaksin-lawyer-sorry-for-bein-30220916.html

That link goes to a story about

The link was provided simply to point out that Amsterdam remains Thaksin's lawyer. The remaining article itself was immaterial to that point.

This was provided simply because it was near the top of google search results that reflected that and was submitted as direct evidence to refute geriatrickid's erroneous claim.

The army is what's wrong with Thailand. Had it not been for the army the government could have arrested both Suthep and the violent demonstrators, bringing an end to this stalemate.

When did the Army tell the police not to arrest Suthep or his demonstrators?

Its okay to plead ignorance.

It's ok if you are ignorant of a specific quote/link/article to answer my specific question, but you shouldn't feel obligated to reveal that ignorance to the forum.

Since when is it the decision of an army to consider someone an undesirable person?

Yes, accuse the Thai army of interfering in the running of the country and what do they do? Assume the role of the immigration department.

Funny how by trying to deny what Amsterdam said, they pretty much confirmed his statement.

Even funnier is that by Amsterdam's own words, he's been barred from Thailand for 3 years already, yet posters unknowingly think this is something new.

"The [authorities] have barred me personally, but they haven’t prevented us from presenting our point of view,” he says."

October 21, 2010

http://thaipoliticalprisoners.wordpress.com/2010/10/21/robert-amsterdam-profiled/

And the problem with your argument is that Amsterday is the paid mouthpiece of a convicted fugitive from justice and therefor anything but unbiased.

He no longer represents the former PM.

Then I guess the title to the thread should be changed?

Perhaps a new thread could be opened:

"Army Bans Coup Critic From Thailand."

That might be more the course to take if one were to say anything more accurately.

See above. The headline is accurate as is.

Apart from the "Thaksinrs" typo bit, that is.

And the problem with your argument is that Amsterday is the paid mouthpiece of a convicted fugitive from justice and therefor anything but unbiased.

He no longer represents the former PM.

Then I guess the title to the thread should be changed?

It's valid. He's still Thaksin's lawyer.

Never hurts to have a look for yourself at what some posters on here claim, no matter how assured they may sound.

Thaksin Shinawatra's Canadian lawyer Robert Amsterdam was red-faced last week after a nasty message got loose from his Twitter account.

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/life/Thems-fightin-tweets-Thaksin-lawyer-sorry-for-bein-30220916.html

And the problem with your argument is that Amsterday is the paid mouthpiece of a convicted fugitive from justice and therefor anything but unbiased.

He no longer represents the former PM.

Incorrect. See above post.

Simply Thaksin throwing money around (again).

Does Amsterdam write this if not being paid? I don't think so, I don't think he pays any attention without Thaksin pay.

It's just the same as the 500thb for a vote, many talk "Democracy" but how can you have "Democracy" when poor, il-educated people cast their votes for the one that gives them 500thb and buys a couple rounds of beers?

Mr. Amsterdam has not represented the former PM for quite some time. I believe he was speaking from his position as an internationally recognized expert in human rights law.

You believe wrong.

You are confusing his terminating his contract only as a lobbyist for Thaksin's concerns in the USA with terminating his representation of Thaksin, which he has not done, in other arenas.

http://legaltimes.typepad.com/blt/2012/07/firm-quits-us-lobbying-for-former-thai-prime-minister.html

Whether we like it or not, Amsterdam is not a nobody, so what is says is sucked up by the local supporters and international press.

Do you have any link that supports your contention that Amsterdam's piece is "sucked up" by the international press?

I've found zero reports from international media on the issue.

Clearly these people are the red-shirts (temporary dress in white) and support Thaksin,and quick like receive 500 Baht from Thaksin to vote for his sister (but I have no prove).

Is that all Thaksin have left? 200 people at best?

Their voice would not be heard when Suthep's "the people" come with their pee pee whistle.

Go out an get a hobby!

Buy a dog and take for a walk!

Try Origami!

Or solve crossword- puzzles.

Your trolling is neither funny nor exciting!

It is very, very boring for eveybody...except you!

Perhaps if it wasn't continually being fed with replies, the bridge dweller would leave from hunger.

A classic example of nepotism and injustice in Thai society, yet I never see any red shirts objecting to Chalerm and his sons.

Too afraid I guess.

Yes, it is a rather stark omission in their litany of condemnations.

It's also a rather interesting to see others that do condemn him, but not the person who put him back in charge thus empowering him, which, in turn, is somewhat tacit approval of his actions, despite their superficial condemnations.

Actually Chalerm has three despicable sons, who while they are more violent than Dad, may not be more crazy.

Police Captain Doctor Chalerm with his wife and three sons, Artharn, Duangchalerm, and Wanchalerm on the occasion of Chalerm receiving his PhD.

Which one's the cop killer?

[Allegedly]

Duangchalerm, to Chalerm's right, holding his own Masters degree awarded the same day as Dad's doctorate.

To Chalerm's far right is Wanchalerm, AKA Mr. Happy Toilet, was also present at the crime scene and helped hold the policeman down while his brother shot him in the head.

[Allegedly, of course]

ps, I noticed Wanchalerm in the news again last week when he registered for the Feb. 2 election as a Pheu Thai Party MP candidate.

to his left? anyway now he's a Police firearms instructor right? an absolute disgrace

To Chalerm's right (our left). Wanchalerm is to his far left (mistakenly I wrote far right).

Yes, he was transferred from the Army (where despite having been AWOL during his fugitive time in Hun Sen's dictatorial Cambodia, was promoted to Major upon his return) to the Police force where his shooting expertise is utilized to teach other policemen.

Irony knows no bounds here as his current position, his co-defendant brother running as a PTP MP candidate, and their Dad's I'm F***king Back in charge of the Police proclamation all attest to.

Perhaps you could share your history with the scores of Thammasat University students that participated in the huge PDRC rally last month, although I didn't observe any farang amongst the university students own large contingent as they marched past Siam Square.

Please define scores. My understanding from a colleague is that many of the people described as students were not, and certainly the students of Thammasat, Mahidol and others are not backing the PDRC. They are not backing the PTP either. Rather, the prevailing sentiment is one of seeking change while respecting the democratic process. I can tell you that in the graduate science student groups there is considerable angst. There is also resentment at the current government for the lack of funding for research. However, there is also resentment that the lion's share of government spending goes to the military and the funding is not open to discussion. As such, the military machine and its allies found in the ultra nationalist movement and the Democrat party are treated with equal disdain.

These were definitely current students who marched in the Dec. 9th rally of the PDRC. They marched, in school uniforms, in groups under university placards that identified the university being represented, and also in pairs and individually. Thammasat, Chulalongkorn, and Ramkhamhaeng universities passed by during the time I observed the march. It was very surprising to see as I had not observed university students in uniform participate during PAD nor Red Shirt rallies previously attended. The companions I was with saw this as a new development as well and remarked about the great diversity of all the various protestors that were representative of the anti-government movement. I'd have to agree as at least on a visual basis, old and young and middle-aged were all present. On at least an outward appearance, diversity was also seen on a socio-economic basis, with poor, rich, and middle-class being present.

Not wishing to further derail with the side issue you mention, but perhaps you could share with the graduate students the new information that the "lion's share of government spending" does NOT go to the military, but to the Ministry of Education.

Then, perhaps, they could inquire into where all that money is going to if it's not reaching their research projects.

Who knows, with the increased awareness, they might feel such angst that they join the anti-government movement, with the other university students, in search of answers from the current administration.

Suthep is too boneheaded to be genuine about negotiations.

I didn't see his name mentioned.

Do you have a fixation?

*newsflash*

If anyone has to be convinced, its Suthep. He is the once organizing the protests.

Do try to keep up.

Besides, Abhisit has no influence or power, he is impotent.

*Newsflash Update*

Don't tell Thai Spot, tell the United Nations Secretary-General who spoke with Abhisit.

There was an issue when the doctors refused to treat the reds in some hospitals the last time around.

Which was shown to be false, but hey, it's terrific propaganda.

400,000....so we can expect about 10% of that.

Agree. Last time the spin doctors tried to turn the real number ( 75000 or so) into 6 million...even producing some seriously delusional/deceitful youtube material to try to con the rest of the world. AP, AFP, reuters, BBC, ABC, SBS, Deutche Welle, CNN, not fooled. Not even Fox. Maybe Michael Yon believes it

Could you share links to any of your cited sources that said 75,000?

Actually Chalerm has three despicable sons, who while they are more violent than Dad, may not be more crazy.

Police Captain Doctor Chalerm with his wife and three sons, Artharn, Duangchalerm, and Wanchalerm on the occasion of Chalerm receiving his PhD.

Which one's the cop killer?

[Allegedly]

Duangchalerm, to Chalerm's right, holding his own Masters degree awarded the same day as Dad's doctorate.

To Chalerm's far right is Wanchalerm, AKA Mr. Happy Toilet, was also present at the crime scene and helped hold the policeman down while his brother shot him in the head.

[Allegedly, of course]

ps, I noticed Wanchalerm in the news again last week when he registered for the Feb. 2 election as a Pheu Thai Party MP candidate.

it's good to see that students from Thammasat University are also active in the candle campaign. This shouldn't be a surprise. Thammasat was founded by Pridi Banomyong, perhaps the greatest ever hero of Thailand (or 'Siam' as it then was, and still should be). Pridi was instrumental in changing Siam/Thailand forever. He helped turn an absolute monarchy into a constitutional democracy, and was then exiled for doing so, though that wasn't the ostensible reason. Some of his story is told in one of the most engaging books written about Siam: Alexander Macdonald's 'Bangkok Editor' (1949).

Other parts of the story can be seen by visiting Thammasat University itself. Do go and see the sculpture area (just next to the big assembly hall) and then go and see, outside in the road leading to the river, the exhibition of images that has been placed on the outside walls of the university, telling the story year by year since its founding in 1934. It's a microcosm of Siam/Thailand: demonstrations, coups, students killed by the state, fascist leaders of Thailand/Siam, dubious rectors, dictatorship supported by the USA. An absolutely shameful history in many ways, and of course it's still continuing with the clampdown on democracy we have today.

That's why it's so shocking to see so many farangs on here, ignorant of history, trying to defend what Suthep is doing.

Perhaps you could share your history with the scores of Thammasat University students that participated in the huge PDRC rally last month, although I didn't observe any farang amongst the university students own large contingent as they marched past Siam Square.

I suppose even in an enlightened institution like Thammasat you can't make students think sensibly, and if they want to follow Suthep that's their choice.

I'm sure they feel honored that you allow them the freedom to choose. Similarly, if other Thammasat students are naive enough to fall for the deceitful and deceptive rhetoric of the indicted Red Shirt Leader Korkaew trying to reincarnate himself as a White Shirt Leader while he is out violating his bail conditions, that's their business, also.

it's good to see that students from Thammasat University are also active in the candle campaign. This shouldn't be a surprise. Thammasat was founded by Pridi Banomyong, perhaps the greatest ever hero of Thailand (or 'Siam' as it then was, and still should be). Pridi was instrumental in changing Siam/Thailand forever. He helped turn an absolute monarchy into a constitutional democracy, and was then exiled for doing so, though that wasn't the ostensible reason. Some of his story is told in one of the most engaging books written about Siam: Alexander Macdonald's 'Bangkok Editor' (1949).

Other parts of the story can be seen by visiting Thammasat University itself. Do go and see the sculpture area (just next to the big assembly hall) and then go and see, outside in the road leading to the river, the exhibition of images that has been placed on the outside walls of the university, telling the story year by year since its founding in 1934. It's a microcosm of Siam/Thailand: demonstrations, coups, students killed by the state, fascist leaders of Thailand/Siam, dubious rectors, dictatorship supported by the USA. An absolutely shameful history in many ways, and of course it's still continuing with the clampdown on democracy we have today.

That's why it's so shocking to see so many farangs on here, ignorant of history, trying to defend what Suthep is doing.

Perhaps you could share your history with the scores of Thammasat University students that participated in the huge PDRC rally last month, although I didn't observe any farang amongst the university students own large contingent as they marched past Siam Square.