PunkRockerGuy

Just now, Artisi said:

Wow  - just a fantastic wow. 

And, WoW, to you, too .. sir. 

2 hours ago, Ramdas said:

If that would be the case, I’m not entirely sure it would apply on everyone, perhaps they may not take the driving license from you just the “ help me “ money as I’ve often been asked by the local traffic police when they’ve noticed that I wasn’t Thai ?

As far as I’m concerned, the police should/must start to stop Thais without an helmet but especially the ones carrying the entire family on board of a motorcycle  without looking where they’re going ! I reckon its

better to start small since the local population don’t respect/ adhere/ acknowledge any traffic laws for that matter  .. Oh what about the ones driving/riding the wrong way of the road coming at you ?! 

Nevertheless, the western countries roads and traffic regulations which have been mentioned above have the lowest speed limit.

While in your home country you’re constantly harassed by the hidden police cameras and the police themselves trying to rip you off in every possible way they can.

Hence what’s the point of having a fast car if you can’t even drive beyond 120kms or 55-60 miles an hour ?! Apart from showing off their wealth I really don’t see the point of having a car that goes beyond these limits. 

My point is.. Extremes are always harmful and detrimental..

Mind yourself while you’re in the land of the dazed and confused..

And, of course, I use radar/laser detectors in any car I drive while back in the US.  

2 hours ago, Ramdas said:

If that would be the case, I’m not entirely sure it would apply on everyone, perhaps they may not take the driving license from you just the “ help me “ money as I’ve often been asked by the local traffic police when they’ve noticed that I wasn’t Thai ?

As far as I’m concerned, the police should/must start to stop Thais without an helmet but especially the ones carrying the entire family on board of a motorcycle  without looking where they’re going ! I reckon its

better to start small since the local population don’t respect/ adhere/ acknowledge any traffic laws for that matter  .. Oh what about the ones driving/riding the wrong way of the road coming at you ?! 

Nevertheless, the western countries roads and traffic regulations which have been mentioned above have the lowest speed limit.

While in your home country you’re constantly harassed by the hidden police cameras and the police themselves trying to rip you off in every possible way they can.

Hence what’s the point of having a fast car if you can’t even drive beyond 120kms or 55-60 miles an hour ?! Apart from showing off their wealth I really don’t see the point of having a car that goes beyond these limits. 

My point is.. Extremes are always harmful and detrimental..

Mind yourself while you’re in the land of the dazed and confused..

I use a radar/laser detector I brought with me in luggage a couple of years ago to Thailand.  If I had been caught, they would have confiscated it, as they are illegal in Thailand.  I know 1 km ahead on most highways here where the speed cameras are ... I have never got a ticket since bringing that back a few years ago.  

In the US, my cars will run up to 300+ kph and I have done over 300 kph on the track, but no need to exceed 220+ kph on any US highway except way out in the countryish States, where we have NO SPEED limits, so the moots your point.  Besides, for me, the point to a fast car is NOT the top end, but the time to go 0-60 mph (0-120 kph).  

2 hours ago, BritTim said:

It may be "tax evasion" (illegal) but may be (legal) "tax avoidance". It depends on your nationality, where, when and how the money is earned, and possibly other factors.

For Americans, in my companies, if you are a US resident, we take out the Thai taxes through K-Bank payroll system and YOU, the US resident, are the one who is responsible for filing a Tax Return, if your income exceeds the maximum non-taxable income allowed for your "household".  The last time I had a long discussion with a British friend, he told me that UK residents need only file their taxes to England for the first year abroad.  He told me that if he lived overseas for more than 1 calendar year he need not report his income back home.  I have no way to know if this is true, but perhaps another Brit could let us know his/her situation.  

3 hours ago, jvs said:

Isnt there a system in place for this already?You will not be able to

pay your tax sticker until your fine is payed.

Something better needs to be invented but so far this seems to work ok.

 

They are supposed to deny your next year's registration, however, I have known Thai friends who got right around it without paying off their fines. 

39 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

Same same, without the court date, you just have to notify them within 21 days you are going to challenge it, but as I mentioned the fines are so high, its worth taking the time off work, i.e. if the fine is $350 and your earning $1,000 a day, well the maths says work, doesn't it.

Yes, that is the problem in Thailand.  Most of the people speeding have a massive income if you go by the imported cars they drive.  In the US, a typical ticket will run you $350-$1,000 and double your car insurance premium possibly for the next year.  Thus, since the majority of ticket-makers in the US are not earning that per day, the fine is fairly steep, for sure your case is over and done within the first 1-2 hours you are downtown court, it makes sense for most Americans to challenge an expensive ticket.

It's a joke to me when they fine me 100 baht, 500 baht, etc.  While I can easily look at that as throwaway money, I HATE Thai traffic police corruption, and I work for the Thai government, so I decided to challenge the last 2 tickets in court, even though it cost me perhaps 15,000 baht to appear in court that morning here.  

22 hours ago, arithai12 said:

Wow.

Maybe I wasn't clear: your initial question was about whether pensions are taxable, and I believe so - following the rule as other foreign-generated income, that is you only pay tax on what you transfer in the same solar year. As a result, I do not need to pay tax if I choose so. I believe many here are following this approach, fully within the law. I wrote that my lawyer confirmed this.

 

I do want to pay tax for other reasons, and on other sources of income. For this I use the lawyer, who I assure you is not getting rich doing my paperwork ?

That is EXACTLY correct.  I am a lawyer here in Thailand, also. 

1 hour ago, Bastos60 said:

That is a complete false statement. 

 

Income is taxable in every country. But what you refer to is what is considered taxable income and where was this income generated.

If I work for my company in thailand while on holiday for a non-thai customer I don't generate an income in Thailand, I am still generating it in my country of residence where
I will have to pay taxes. I will never be taxed in Thailand since it is nolonger an income when I transfer it into a Thai bankaccount, it is just personal finances.

 

A digital nomad that recruits customers through the internet from all over the world, is generating an income in his country of residence, even if he is abroad while on holiday, yes read carefully, holiday, digital nomads are always a resident in whatever country they come from and considered holidaymakers in visiting countries. It is perfectly possible to NOT DECLARE your income since it is very difficult to track but that is just common tax evasion. 

 

Neither of your examples apply to digital nomads. Why even bother writing them down. 

 

Every country has their tax laws and they are not the same for every country, but one thing is generally considered the same, money generated from labour is considered an income.

 

 

You are incorrect.  I'm a pretty well-known lawyer in Thailand under my real name.  Under Thai law, if you are sitting at a desk in Thailand at your computer and you are actually working while on "vacation" or as a resident here, despite your client/customer is in another country, Thailand considers that taxable income, and technically you DO NEED a work permit for that.  You are just lucky that for now, Thailand is confused on how to handle this or tax the income.  

Where most of you are wrong is that when you transfer money from abroad, even if that is pension or salary, to your Thai bank account, it is NOT taxable income.  I worked for the DOR, MOI, DSI, and numerous Thai Senators.  Please do not give us misleading digital nomad information. 

18 minutes ago, Bastos60 said:

Tax laws differ from country to country. 
For Belgium for instance you do pay taxes in Belgium even if you are a resident in Thailand and if that pension is transferred into a Thai bankaccount you are supposed to declare the pension in thailand and pay additional taxes on it.  Up to this point, and I checked official documentation, Belgium has no bilateral agreements with Thailand to avoid double taxation. But there is a loophole, 
if you leave the pension in a Belgian bank account and take money out of it as you need it, it is not considered income but personal finances from the point of the Thai government.

It's the same for Americans.  The IRS hunts us around the world like dogs ....

On 6/12/2018 at 9:14 AM, Fairynuff said:

So the fact the money will spent in Thailand, purchases will have VAT paid on them, jobs will be kept......that’s not a win for Thailand? Think before you criticise.

I don't think that was the meaning he intended.  It is a known fact, most Thais and many foreigners here do not pay the "real" taxes they should be paying.  

6 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

18 minutes ago, PunkRockerGuy said:

Only via rumor.  As I tend to work for 5-10 years in one country when starting a new company with a new opportunity, I have heard a few supposedly did test positive, but when I had bloodwork done, I was always negative.  I would suppose at least 5% should have been HIV+, if I believe all the HIV-zealous people on these forums in many places.  Anal is not a big deal for me with a girl, but there were times where I was fun with girls who enjoyed it.  Probably less than 40-50 girls where anal sex was involved.  
 
Just had by blood work done at RAMAthibodi, as I need a steel plate removed from my ankle to just below the top of the left tibia, and they ALWAYS test for HIV.  Negative as of last Thursday.  Please, if HIV was that easily contracted and so damn dangerous, how did I, who suffers from just about every other stress, IBS, migraines, bronchitis through my 40's (especially with the yellow sand from the Gobi in China when I lived in Seoul), etc., never contract it with a huge number of sexual encounters and never a condom, as sex is not enjoyable to me using one.  I can't feel a damn thing.  I used to suffer a lot of colds years ago, but I would say almost none existent colds since the mid-2000's.  I do have a deviated septum and suffer sinus headaches, migraines, and a post-nasal drip nearly 24/7.  
 
I'm not going to say there is zero causality, but it is highly unlikely in my opinion, to contract HIV the way researchers and the media makes it seem.  If so, I would be dead now.  Most all of the people I personally know who have had "AIDS" were drug users, heavy drinkers, different sexual partners weekly, and other factors.  I just don't believe it is that easy to contract as a healthy straight guy.  I'm not going to convince you, and you will not scare me into using a condom for a sexual encounter.  I'd rather be abstinent then if HIV was that serious, as sex with a condom does not result in any orgasm or a good feeling for me.  As it stands now, I am married and not into multiple sex partners, therefore, it really is of no concern for me. 

You are either absolutely right or very lucky or immune or maybe all three. Good for you. By the way I'd still be tempted to take PrEP if i was you, 2000 baht for 3 months supply from Thai red cross. I agree with condoms, little feeling, almost pointless

I do agree with you.  Just in case there is any causality, if I was to become single again, I would likely get on PrEP, but not my current situation, nor is it likely to be again.  

9 minutes ago, SoNowWhat said:

Everything you said is a complete  lie and can not be backed up in anyway including your claims of attending HIV conferences and your STD checks every 2 months you are a total charlatan. Where are the 1000's of AIDS patients with no HIV? Cough up some evidence or go back to wearing your tinfoil hat and banging hookers. How is that something to brag about? You have needed to pay for sex since 1979...telling in any way?

Yeah, I am sure I knew all about how to find hookers in my small country town in America while I was in high school and by 1980 and about to go to engineering school, I was paying for hookers in my hometown.  You DF**k, I would not have even know where to look for hookers until I was maybe 25, and by then had already had a large number of sexual encounters with my gf of the month attitude back then.  

Go bother somebody else.  RAMA mandates HIV blood work before every surgery and I am working on my 18th now.  Since I had renal failure during the coma-inducing Ninja Z-14R accident in 2013, I am fully checked with the full blood panel every 2-months on doctor's visits for continuing medication and therapy.  It's necessary to know what problems I might have with any organ or blood disorder with some of the pain, anti-inflammatory, shoulder gel compound injections, etc., I get at RAMA.  

I see you included Quantum Mechanics and Quantum Physics in there as complete lies.  I'll let the top engineering PhD's I studied under know how they are incorrect with Maxwell's equations, etc.  I am sure you are more educationally qualified than I am with 2 engineering degrees, MBA, and Doctor of Law from YALE, plus 2-years of medical school to comment on complex matters than myself .. LOL.

Just now, SoNowWhat said:

Everything you said is a complete  lie and can not be backed up in anyway including your claims of attending HIV conferences and your STD checks every 2 months you are a total charlatan. Where are the 1000's of AIDS patients with no HIV? Cough up some evidence or go back to wearing your tinfoil hat and banging hookers. How is that something to brag about? You have needed to pay for sex since 1979...telling in any way?

I'm going to ignore your useless comments, with the exception of, I have never frequented bar girls.  If you knew who I was, I was an on-screen personality in Japan as my company became famous in the 1990's there and I was asked to anchor the news on Channel 9 in the 1990's.  I never have any trouble encountering normal girls who would like to be romantic on the first date.  I didn't see the need to waste time with a girl who is useless in bed when I was younger and sex was important to me .... if useless in bed, we were never going to become gf/bf or husband/wife.  My first kiss was at 5-years old.  Sorry, but my 2 ex-wives were models.  I appear just fine to girls even at 56 years old.  My wife is a former Channel 3 newsperson and businesswoman.

And, I have no reason to lie about my RAMA blood tests. 

I'm not going to cite articles for you .... go google AIDS and no HIV, and check Dr. Rosenberg's pilot programs in the 90's where volunteers were injected with HIV and they showed antibodies for 24-48 hours and then the virus was undetectable.  All went on to lead healthy normal lives at least for the 5 years the research program lasted.   

Just now, scubascuba3 said:

10 minutes ago, PunkRockerGuy said:

Go google it yourself.  HIV was the weakest retrovirus known of, as of 2015, last I checked.  
 
I HAVE been to numerous medical conferences on the virus and take issue with numerous causality references.  Umm, at last check my IQ was over 150, I do indeed understand the Holocaust, etc., happened, but I have not used a condom since 1979, had sexual intercourse with somewhere upwards of 750+ girls since then, and have NEVER tested positive for any HIV virus in my every 2-months check-up bloodwork since they started after my first major bone breakage and surgeries beginning in June of 2011.  
 
And, yes.  The pharma companies have taken old useless 1960's cancer drugs in the beginning of the treatment therapies developed in the beginning of the epidemic and they killed patients faster than when using Chinese herbal therapies.  This has been discussed at length by many researchers at UCLA who are not allowed to participate in HIV conferences, since they are sponsored by Merck, Pfizer, etc.  Just because the current group of researchers in the pharmaceutical industry who sponsor all the major HIV Conferences and I disagree does not make me wrong.  Just as Newtonian physics was thought to be complete, it fails to explain all subatomic behavior such as Quantum Physics.  Sorry, so-called "facts" change as things begin to not make sense.  There are at least "thousands" of patients suffering from AIDS symptoms who have ZERO HIV antibodies.  Until those are explained away, I will not believe I have some type of superhuman immune defense that I have never even had chlamydia, gonorrhea, or any STD.  

Did you ever find out if any of those 750+ women had HIV? Anal as well?

Only via rumor.  As I tend to work for 5-10 years in one country when starting a new company with a new opportunity, I have heard a few supposedly did test positive, but when I had bloodwork done, I was always negative.  I would suppose at least 5% should have been HIV+, if I believe all the HIV-zealous people on these forums in many places.  Anal is not a big deal for me with a girl, but there were times where I was fun with girls who enjoyed it.  Probably less than 40-50 girls where anal sex was involved.  

Just had by blood work done at RAMAthibodi, as I need a steel plate removed from my ankle to just below the top of the left tibia, and they ALWAYS test for HIV.  Negative as of last Thursday.  Please, if HIV was that easily contracted and so damn dangerous, how did I, who suffers from just about every other stress, IBS, migraines, bronchitis through my 40's (especially with the yellow sand from the Gobi in China when I lived in Seoul), etc., never contract it with a huge number of sexual encounters and never a condom, as sex is not enjoyable to me using one.  I can't feel a damn thing.  I used to suffer a lot of colds years ago, but I would say almost none existent colds since the mid-2000's.  I do have a deviated septum and suffer sinus headaches, migraines, and a post-nasal drip nearly 24/7.  

I'm not going to say there is zero causality, but it is highly unlikely in my opinion, to contract HIV the way researchers and the media makes it seem.  If so, I would be dead now.  Most all of the people I personally know who have had "AIDS" were drug users, heavy drinkers, different sexual partners weekly, and other factors.  I just don't believe it is that easy to contract as a healthy straight guy.  I'm not going to convince you, and you will not scare me into using a condom for a sexual encounter.  I'd rather be abstinent then if HIV was that serious, as sex with a condom does not result in any orgasm or a good feeling for me.  As it stands now, I am married and not into multiple sex partners, therefore, it really is of no concern for me. 

Just now, PunkRockerGuy said:

When I was using my Non-B visa and working directly as MD of my companies, and therefore needed a Work Permit, it DID require a blood test for Syphilis on a few occasions, which did require me to go to the hospital that could perform the blood test.  Other times, it was the simple 50-100 baht "check pulse, blood pressure, stethoscope" and basic medical background questions that were all done at a small clinic.  

I have NEVER encountered the chest x-ray requirement for any Work Permit I had from 2002-2015 or so.  

When I was using my Non-B visa and working directly as MD of my companies, and therefore needed a Work Permit, it DID require a blood test for Syphilis on a few occasions, which did require me to go to the hospital that could perform the blood test.  Other times, it was the simple 50-100 baht "check pulse, blood pressure, stethoscope" and basic medical background questions that were all done at a small clinic.  

3 hours ago, SoNowWhat said:

The worlds weakest retrovirus? Citation please. While some researchers have theorized that as HIV developes that it is becoming weaker, it is still quite potent.  HIV does cause AIDS if left untreated and denying this is the same as denying the holocaust, perverse and showing signs of mental impairment. As for the big pharma companies controlling HIV with one big master plan...really? In this day and age and no one has revealed this diabolical plot? Conspiracy theorists scour the globe for this kind of information.  No one has leaked out anything from the secret chamber?  Clearly you have never attended an HIV conference or any other kind of scientific conference as there is very little 'agreement' on most points. The point they do agree on is that HIV when left untreated causes AIDS and they mostly agree on that if you adhere to proper medication the level of the virus will become 'undetectable' and be unable to transmit the virus while being virally suppressed. U=U Undetectable equals untransmittable.

Go google it yourself.  HIV was the weakest retrovirus known of, as of 2015, last I checked.  

I HAVE been to numerous medical conferences on the virus and take issue with numerous causality references.  Umm, at last check my IQ was over 150, I do indeed understand the Holocaust, etc., happened, but I have not used a condom since 1979, had sexual intercourse with somewhere upwards of 750+ girls since then, and have NEVER tested positive for any HIV virus in my every 2-months check-up bloodwork since they started after my first major bone breakage and surgeries beginning in June of 2011.  

And, yes.  The pharma companies have taken old useless 1960's cancer drugs in the beginning of the treatment therapies developed in the beginning of the epidemic and they killed patients faster than when using Chinese herbal therapies.  This has been discussed at length by many researchers at UCLA who are not allowed to participate in HIV conferences, since they are sponsored by Merck, Pfizer, etc.  Just because the current group of researchers in the pharmaceutical industry who sponsor all the major HIV Conferences and I disagree does not make me wrong.  Just as Newtonian physics was thought to be complete, it fails to explain all subatomic behavior such as Quantum Physics.  Sorry, so-called "facts" change as things begin to not make sense.  There are at least "thousands" of patients suffering from AIDS symptoms who have ZERO HIV antibodies.  Until those are explained away, I will not believe I have some type of superhuman immune defense that I have never even had chlamydia, gonorrhea, or any STD.  

3 hours ago, JimmyTheMook said:

 

Did that come with a bumper sticker as well > ?

They said it's in the mail ")

On 6/11/2018 at 6:17 PM, Suradit69 said:

There was some form they asked you to sign ... maybe a couple of years ago ... when doing the 90 day report. It was something the officers weren't enthused about. After you signed, they threw it in a pile with some contempt.

 

Maybe that was the thing where you were supposed to list your social media accounts and some other information about bank accounts. You pretty much could write in anything or leave most things blank. They didn't bother to look at it and nothing ever came of it.

 

 

 

I've NEVER EVER had to fill out additional paperwork or add Social Media, bank account info, etc.  Where in the world are you guys reporting to?  Timbuktu? ?

On 6/11/2018 at 2:52 PM, Shiver said:

I think (but not sure) that while you can have others do the 90 days for you, they do want to see your face once in a while, maybe every 3rd visit or something.  There's probably a lot of latitude though, as I've been there with my wife several  times and they know our faces as an item, and usually just about to pick up the form and they'll say there's no need, just take a seat, and we're out of there in a couple of minutes (Udon).

I have not shown my face to Lopburi Immigration for 90-day reporting since 2014.  I don't know why all of you are finding the need to report.  And, before that, my wife used to take my passport and do it and bring it back to me.  

On 6/11/2018 at 10:29 AM, geriatrickid said:

Sound advice. The NHS has competent experienced professionals who can help the patient successfully manage the infection and turn it from a certain death into a managed chronic disease.

Unfortunately, the 20% is for all of Bangkok. If one were to look at the key farang sex districts, the % would be higher.

 

There was a testing program, but that fell by the wayside. Successive budget cuts.

There was support and interest when the WHO, USA and some EU countries provided the funds.

 

It was a pink booklet  ?

 

You are not qualified to offer an assessment of the factors involved in the transmission of a communicable disease. The common transmission mechanism of the virus is known and the common attachment points are known. Your "theory" was dismissed because it was based upon your personal supposition and not supported by clinical evidence.  Contracting an infectious disease involves an interplay of multiple factors. However, it's rather obvious that those who serro convert subsequent to contact with a carrier in places like Pattaya, are distinguished by their damaged immune systems due to smoking, drinking in excess, recreational drug use, age, underlying medical condition and concurrent STIs. It's a game of odds where the odds are in favour of the infection when the subject  has a high risk lifestyle.

YOUR info is BIG PHARMA pushing governments with sponsored research, so the fact that it seems highly unlikely I survived close to 750+ girls sexually without ever acquiring the virus, that I am somehow immune, as I have not used any condom for any sexual contact with at-risk females in one-night stands is ludicrous.  You are not qualified, as you listen only to what NIH and most government research sponsored by BIG PHARMA want you to believe.  The world's weakest retrovirus causing AIDS is not believable.  Whether I am qualified or not with other education and research I did not provide you with here is decided by myself, not you. 

Just now, sanemax said:

   Hiv doesnt enter the bloodstream through oral sex , even if the hiv virus get into the stomach , the acids in the stomach would kill the virus

I will politely agree to disagree.  Most humans have small tears in mucousal membranes that lead to the bloodstream.  Additionally, if HIV is so weak that low molecular weight stomach acids "kill" HIV, there is little proof it leads to AIDS.  I studied it quite thoroughly while in med school and admit I was the odd man out.  Are you aware of how many gay men in the US have the "symptoms" of AIDS, but NOT A SINGLE HIV marker?  

It's the drugs, alcoholism, poor hygiene and most likely a super bacteria that when added to promiscuity causes AIDS symptoms.  However, I am willing to admit I am in the minority with my opinion and research.  I'm telling you, after sex with perhaps 400-500 girls since I was 17 years old, and using a condom only when I lost my virginity, I must be the luckiest damn bastard on this planet ?

1 hour ago, kopite said:

1 hour ago, scubascuba3 said:

Keep up the google searches its increasing your knowledge

Sound. You keep posting the same pic on various threads about how hard it is to be infected and we can all go back to thinking it's the 80s.

Ummm, who are you referring to?  Should not be me.  This is my first post about my sexual past. 

5 minutes ago, kopite said:

Or you could be in the lucky 1% who are immune from the virus. Or maybe the variables worked in your favour each and every time you had sex with someone who was HIV+.

Someone could sleep with 1000 people and not contact the virus. It could also take just one person. As scuba posted above, having sex with newly infected people raises the risk by x26...1 in 3 chance. That is a huge number if you are having sex with prostitutes, especially prostitutes who use drugs and drink and are careless about the male using a condom. As I said previously, someone who is newly infected and doesn't have seroconversion symptoms could quite easily infect lots of people very quickly, even by simple "normal" heterosexual activity.

Quite true, I could be the rare case of immunity, despite being stricken with every other annoying illness or disorder known to man. First sinus migraine at 5-years old, GAD diagnosed in 2nd grade and placed on tranqs to reduce my daily headaches. IBS starting in my early 20's, seborrheic dermatitis on elbows, groin area (any area under physical or emotion pressure), et al.  I moved from country to country starting new companies from 1991 on, so I would often lose contact with girls I had sex with (basically a different girl every night back then ... I am not proud of that fact now, but at the time, being blond, blue eyes, and mistaken for Kiefer Sutherland in Asia, especially in Japan where the series "24" had serious groupies, gave me too much opportunity.  Also, my salary afforded me imported luxury cars, flying around the world on my client's dime, etc.... my Japanese company office revenue was around $150,000,000 USD by 1995 with 156 employees, up from 5 in 1991 ? ) but would hear some rumors through the grapevine in pre-Internet days (although being a university professor part-time gave me a DARPA type .edu account by 1986), and I went untested for 10+ years before I decided it might be nice just to confirm my suspicions that I had never contracted anything.  Full disclosure: I never even had a simple STD, never.  I have no idea why, but I never had one.  

However, I understand your position on the data presented (although I do have some issues with those studies), and can appreciate your concern for your health.  Keep in mind, condoms, used correctly, only reduce pregnancies by 80%, and most guys do NOT use a condom 100% correctly.  Touch the wrong place before placing the condom on and you have already contaminated the situation and reduced the condoms' alleged effectiveness.