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I'm the legal father by legitimization. Child lives only by me the last 5 years.

Since 2 years in Thailand but not applied for 1 year visa because didn't have the right money for this.

That means in may i will go again to Vientiane to apply for 90 day non-o

Question, can I get non-o multi-entry

It seems you are writing about a one year extension of stay (it is not a visa) based upon being the parent of a Thai that requires 400k baht in a Thai or proof of 40k income.

You can apply for a 60 day extension to visit your child for any type of entry at an immigration office.

Vientiane will only do a single entry non-o visa.

Savannakhet Laos will do a multiple entry non-o with no financial proof needed but you would need your child and their mother to be with you when you apply. Penang will do one if you can show at least 100k baht in the bank or proof of income without the family being with you.

For Savannakhet Laos you wrote Child and Child mother have to be with me. In my case, i'm divorced, child mother not available for this. How will be the chance to get an multiple entry non-o with no financial proof ?

I'm the legal father by legitimization. Child lives only by me the last 5 years.

Since 2 years in Thailand but not applied for 1 year visa because didn't have the right money for this.

That means in may i will go again to Vientiane to apply for 90 day non-o

Question, can I get non-o multi-entry

If possible to get an Multi-Entry Non-Immigrant Visa "O" depending on child (90 Days)?

Information about Multi-Entry Non-Immigrant Visa "O" depending on child (1 Year) i found but not for 90 days

Hi,

I went the last 2 years to Vientiane for my non-o based on my child (Thai).

At the moment I thinking about to move to the south of Thailand.

From there it will make not much sense to go to Vientiane for my non-o again.

What is the actual visa situation South Thailand border?

There are special requirements or other hurdles or pitfalls?

Thanks in advance

I have linked my kasikorn bank account to paypal without any problems and use

it an an regular base since 2 years.

If you speak Thai (or have an acknowledged translator), the Thai official at the Amphoe may believe you "swearing on oath" that you are single and free to marry. Doing this in Thai language isn't different to doing it in your mother language and get it translated and certified by the embassy. But you have to find a Thai who doesn't mind to make things easy for farangs. I just read something that Bang Rak in BKK is probably the best place for farangs to get a marriage registered, but I don't know what they require.

I believe that this is possible.For a non internet knowledgeable German friend I obtained his birth certificate, marriage certificate and divorce papers from Germany. However obtaining the 'freedom to marry' paper appeared horrendous and I went on strike.

His fiancée asked at the Amphoe and was told that the FTM wasn't necessary. Sounds like money may be going under the table here. When I got my first marriage extension Immigration insisted on seeing my FTM document (<deleted>?), which should have been at the Amphoe but which we had at home. I now understand why they wanted to see that paper. I guess that a Thai marriage certificate that has no FTM attached might only be good for getting three month extensions somewhere.

MMM, this is an important information (...Immigration insisted on seeing my FTM document ...)

If I understand this correct than the FTM needed also for Visa extension?

Can somebody confirm this?

Thanks guys,

i got some ideas from the discuss here. I will start on Monday to get again in contact to the embassy and the German authorities.

I will try different ways more as get refused at the Ampoeh can not happen. hopefully it works

If I see nothing works I have to go the "German" way ()

When I got married i will post about this case again and let you now what finally was working.

This will need time i guess

A German who wants to marry in Thailand needs a certificate "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry" (Ledigkeitsbescheinigung) from his (last) registered place in Germany. Unfortunately, for this document the local registrations office asks for the details of the spouse and in case of a divorce the divorce certificate must be authenticated by a German authority.

I know a case where the (translated) Thai divorce document was sent from the local community (Gemeinde) to the county (Landkreis), then to the state (Munich) and got finally confirmed by the authority in charge in Berlin. I don't remember exactly which authority in Berlin, I guess a part of the foreign office. I think the cost was "only" 40 Euros but it took a few months. If you find out which authority in Berlin you may ask your local registration office (Standesamt) to send it directly to Berlin.

To get a marriage registered in Thailand you need any official Document (from Germany) stating that you are single (ledig). If you are still registered in Germany you may try to get an extended record of your registered details (erweiterte Meldeauskunft). I think this is an official document and it states your marital status.

You can try to do the American (and I think Australian) way. They go to their Embassy and make an affidavit (eidesstattliche Erklärung), stating their personal details including their marital status. I’m not sure if you can do this at the German embassy but you may try a German Honorary Consul in Thailand.

If you get the “authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry” it needs to be translated and legalized by the German Embassy (80 Euros). Then it needs to be legalized by the Thai foreign ministry (400 Baht or, express within a few hours if you arrive before 11 am, 800 Baht).

You can marry in Thailand at any district office, not necessarily where you live or your Thai partner is registered. Usually it’s called Amphoe ( อำเภอ ) but in Bangkok it’s called Keed ( เขต ). If you check out different places you may find a district officer who doesn’t make a big fuss about all the documents, certifications and translations. They can ask you for many documents but they don’t have to. It may also work with an affidavit (eidesstattliche Erklärung) at the Amphoe if they believe you.

By the way: I got the affirmation from the German registration office without my wife’s birth certificate but it needed some research and explanation.

The authority in Berlin is "Senatsverwaltung für Justiz" http://www.berlin.de/sen/justiz/struktur/a2_ausl_scheidg_hinw.html

and they charge for this "Service" minimum 15 Euro up to 305 Euro, depending on the case.

As you mentioned before it need a few week up to a few month.

What you are suggesting "America/Australian way " i will do.

What exact you mean with "It may also work with an affidavit (eidesstattliche Erklärung) at the Amphoe if they believe you" ?

Inthanet,

My comments were not directed at you - apologies if it appeared that way,

Regards,

BB

Never mind, i agree with you I don't like that a lot of people complain about

things in Thailand. I'm the mind we all came in this country because we

like to do it. Everybody can go back where he/she comes from.

You know it's not only in Thailand. I was living 4 years in Spain.

There was the same situation. Some people told me Spain is quite nice

but the only thing we don't need is the "Spanish People"

Anyway, i have to find the right way to deal with the authorities.

Regards,

Uwe

Hi ubonjoe,

German authorities are a nightmare!

Problem is, i need a certificate "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry" from the German authority.

This office need also all information from my fiancee! They told me the documents from an "private" divorce would

no be accepted. What means I will not get the certificate "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry" until

they have all documents as they want.

And people continue to complain on TV about Thai authorities ???

This is utter BS from the German authorities.

It has got nothing to do with the German authorities who the OP wants to marry.

The Thai authorities require an authenticated document from the German authorities to show the OP is free to marry - meaning proof HE is currently not married.

I took my divorce papers into the NZ embassy in Bangkok - had them authenticated.

They couldn't care less who I was marrying (as it is none of their business) - I now had an "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry"

My wife took her Thai divorce papers into the Amphoe and with both documents checked by the Thai authorities we were free to marry.

I cannot believe the German authorities have to "approve" your future wife ?

Good luck anyway,

Cheers,

BB

Hi,

I'm not complaining about Thai or German authorities, is the German authorities who make it only complicated.

Problem or lat me say the situation is follow:

I contacted the responsible office in Germany and asking for the document

"authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry". I got told to get this document I have to apply

by using a special form and have to fill in all. When I saw the form there was many question about my fiancee.

One of these question was about her marital status. My answer was DIVORCED. The office was asking back

how she divorced in Thailand, Civil or via Court decision, my answer civil. After them was some discuss

what finally was ending that i got told the divorce certificate has to approve in Berlin first otherwise they (the authority)

could not give me the "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry".

As you see NO complains only matters of fact.

I let translate the divorce certificate from my fiancee and try that the German embassy

confirm the legal effect of the document.

Unfortunately I told the German Authority already that my fiancee is divorced

at the Amphoe. That's why they told me i have to approve the divorce certificate.

"nofarang" had a good idea, translate the divorce certificate into German language and

let the German Embassy confirm that's correct. This may be enough because it's

a German authority which confirm the validity of the document.

Hi ubonjoe,

German authorities are a nightmare!

Problem is, i need a certificate "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry" from the German authority.

This office need also all information from my fiancee! They told me the documents from an "private" divorce would

no be accepted. What means I will not get the certificate "authenticated affirmation of freedom to marry" until

they have all documents as they want.

Hi,

i prepare at moment all documents to get married and to apply in future for an non-o based on marriage.

I'm German and it's not easy to deal with German Authorities. No "Fast Lane"!

Hopefully somebody in this forum has already experience with all the paper work has to be done

before I can go to the local "Amphoe" to register the marriage in Thailand.

My fiancee was married with an Thai man and become divorced in 2012.

They divorced by the local "Amphoe" and she got an divorce certificate.

The responsible office in Germany (Standesamt) told me that the divorce certificate

must approved from senate administration in Germany, fee up to 160 Euro. Waiting

time a few weeks or month.

Question, somebody in this forum has made this?

or is there an other way because the divorce certificate is from an Thai authority.

Thanks in advance

Uwe

Thanks very much for all the valuable recommendations,

as soon I'm back from my next Visa application I will start over again to get this done and

hopefully within 5 month I can tick this as done.

Uwe

Thanks for your Info ubonjoe,

a legitimization at the Amphoe will be the next i intend to do because my daughter

don't like to leave Thailand anymore. This means I have to arrange all for my Visa

for the next few years.

For the legitimization I need some advice because all what i tried before was

not working because of the officers at the Amphoe.

They maybe reluctant to do it because they are unfamiliar with the situation especially with a foreigner father. They may want the mother to be present and assenting. If the mother is unavailable, your only resort is going the family court with a lawyer. Beside legalization, they will grant you full custody unless the mother will oppose. But your case may take longer than usual due to the time needed to locate the mother and get an official statement from her.

This I did already, I was traveling 2 time trough Thailand and was with her mother to the Amphoe where she is living. I got at statement as well where she declare the I'm the legal father. But the officer at this Amphoe didn't like to certificate this. The answer, The documents I can provide shows clear the I'm the legal father. Different the Amphoe I live, they tell me the documents I provide shows not clear that I'm the father and the advice me to go to the Amphoe where the mother lives. So i turn around and around.

Thanks for your Info ubonjoe,

a legitimization at the Amphoe will be the next i intend to do because my daughter

don't like to leave Thailand anymore. This means I have to arrange all for my Visa

for the next few years.

For the legitimization I need some advice because all what i tried before was

not working because of the officers at the Amphoe.

I will post in this forum again for the legitimization when I'm back from Vientiane end of next week.

Hi there,

time is running fast, 5 month ago since i was in Vientiane for an non-o depending on my daughter.

Next week I have to travel again.

When I was the last time in Vientiane the embassy requested only my passport, the birth certificate of my daughter and

some documents that my daughter is registered at the school in Thailand. My daughter has an Thai ID Card. She live only by me

what means when I get now Visa She has to leave Thailand too.

My question, Can I apply for the same non-o depending on my daughter again?

Hi,

last night I came back from Vientiane, got my non-o visa to see my daughter!

No question ask from embassy or boarder control.

I like to say thanks in my name and in the name of my daughter to all for your advises and recommendations.

I will apply for non-o to get my 90 days with extension up to 5 month. Time should be enough to

work on my financial proof for an retirement visa.

is the school legit and were you actually studying every week?

So far as I know, the school has all paper from ministry of education and should with this by an legit school.

I stop studying at moment because i have to sort out first at all my Visa problem to be sure I have to

to leave Thailand with my daughter soon. I will going on with Thai studying soon, I started

studying Thai because I need it. For me was this perfect to connect studying Thai and have at same time

an visa.

definitely, change the school and problem solved.

You right, this here is not an common problem, it has to do only with this branch of the school in Lopburi. This branch is open since

2 years or more and I'm the first student i guess. The last 9 month the shutter down, nobody in the office only when I have an appointment

the school send somebody to the branch. I really can confirm that the immigration office in Lopburi are very kindly and try to help me.

Have you tried to apply for the 60 day extension to visit your child?

They refused your ED extension which is only one that can be done for most people.

You don't have to have a non-o visa to get the 60 day extension you could make a border crossing and get a visa exempt entry and get the 60 day extension.

That means, I can leave Thailand with my single entry ED Visa which is valid until 1.Oct and reenter on visa exempt based on this ED Visa?

Where I have to apply for an visa exempt?

First get the 60 day extension to visit your daughter then a single entry non-o.

You can get 5 months with a single entry non-o and the 60 day extension with no trips out of the country.

You could get possibly get a multiple entry non-o in Savannakhet if you have custody of your daughter. You could also get a 60 day extension for each entry.

No financial proof is needed for any of the above.

First at all thanks for your info, this give me a little hope.

Sorry that i ask again but i'm not sure if i understand all correct what you wrote.

On my Visa history i posted at the beginning of this thread, you can see I have NO experience about Visa application in Thailand

You wrote,

First get the 60 day extension to visit your daughter then a single entry non-o.

60 Day extension on what?

What I have to apply when I go to Vientiane? Non-O?

Please take the time and let me understand, I'm really in stress at moment and may confused with all what I was reading the last few days.

Thanks very much in advance

Regards Uwe

You can apply for the 60 day extension (extensions are not visas) for your current 90 day entry from the non-ed visa. You can do it at your local immigration office.

After that 60 day extension ends you can go to the Embassy in Vientiane and a apply for single entry non-o visa that will give you another 90 entry that you could extend for 60 days at immigration. That would give you a total of 5 months of stay.

For the extensions and non-o visa all you need is your child's birth certificate and a copy their house book registry.

You still have not answered the question I asked before about you having custody of your daughter that would of been granted when you got divorced.

The local immigration office refuse to make any extension based on my ED Visa. They told me i have to start with an new Visa application outside Thailand.

Thant means, I have to apply for NON-O in Vientiane, right?

Removed a defamatory post and the replies to it.

Thanks

First get the 60 day extension to visit your daughter then a single entry non-o.

You can get 5 months with a single entry non-o and the 60 day extension with no trips out of the country.

You could get possibly get a multiple entry non-o in Savannakhet if you have custody of your daughter. You could also get a 60 day extension for each entry.

No financial proof is needed for any of the above.

First at all thanks for your info, this give me a little hope.

Sorry that i ask again but i'm not sure if i understand all correct what you wrote.

On my Visa history i posted at the beginning of this thread, you can see I have NO experience about Visa application in Thailand

You wrote,

First get the 60 day extension to visit your daughter then a single entry non-o.

60 Day extension on what?

What I have to apply when I go to Vientiane? Non-O?

Please take the time and let me understand, I'm really in stress at moment and may confused with all what I was reading the last few days.

Thanks very much in advance

Regards Uwe