Looking at possibly getting a retirement visa. Instead of getting the O-A visa here in the U.S. I would rather get a 60 tourist visa then if I'm sure I want to stay long term go ahead and apply for the non immigrant in Thailand. I have two questions. If I get the Tourist visa when will my 60 days start? Will it start as soon as it's issued or do I have some time before it begins? The second question is about the O visa application. I know that with the O-A you need either 800,000 THB in a Thai bank OR 65,000 monthly income but everything that I have seen about the O visa has stated only the 800,000 THB in a thai bank. I haven't seen anything about 65,000 monthly income with the O visa. Can I do the 65,000 THB monthly with the O visa?