inwardglee

"Mongoloid" is at the top of asian blood line. It is the oldest & sets the standard. You can from there, truely find out which "asian" you are looking for. Thai,Chinese, ect.

Sir, Thai is only an abstract term for the inhabitants of Thailand. There are multiple ethnicities that have mixed here, since ancient times, from Indian to Chinese, and from Mon to Khmer, and much more …

And though there is often an average look in a region, and in many provinces of the country, there is also much deviation from it.

So I disbelieve that DNA can prove that the perpetrators were "mongoloid", as said …

I agree that all of this in the forum now looks like an ugly discussion. Yet it is also understandable that the participants suffer with the victims and each one seeks an explanation.

Numerous bashing here of insiders towards local authorities hints at some frustration. It has not always been like that. Times change …

I say again: DNA testing can not prove someone is Caucasian or East Asian … There is only 0.01 percent of genes that account for some racial features, so races are more a social concept than a genetical one …

The offensive term "Mongoloid" has also been used and I wonder why.

In modern English, the use of mongol (and related forms) is unacceptable

and is considered offensive.

There was a man: he called a chair a table, and then the table a window. And no one understood him. (Peter Bichsel)

Sir, as long as science and with it English language has not renamed the old terms, to find less offensive/racial and better terms, the official antropoligical terms for the basic four races are still in use:

a) negroid, could be renamed afroid …

mongoloid, could be renamed … austro-asian

c) caucasoid …

d) australoid …

Yet, it is now really not about that. At the moment, the former terms are still in use in anthropology.

It is unfortunately so that there has never been a real clean-up in terms for races. Myself, being named as cacasoid, see, that this term is just theoretic, science is certain that the europids did not orginate in the Caucasus …

One more thing: Semen found in abdomen and vagina … So two different necrophiles were active? In a way hard to imagine …

Has it been possible to see different DNA?

I know these are ugly questions, but they just go through the mind … and as long as authorities keep disclosing, we guess they should know more …

It is new to me that a DNA test would be able to determine whether we are Asian or Cauasian. See, there is not much difference. Africans btw call us all "whites".

So, here from a report about DNA among races:

"Scientists have found that 85% of all human genetic variation exists within human populations while only 15% exists between all the different ethnic groups."

http://genetics.thetech.org/ask/ask337

I would be happy to get any more information to that.

Why not ask your school ? that is what you are paying for.

Schools are also being confused and do not get clear info … that is what I was told by OUR school.

Maybe it is time for Thailand to have a slutwalk.

I had to look up the term, Wikipedia helped: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SlutWalk

I suggest that all history books in Thailand get rewritten as simple fairy tales. Isn't it so that everybody likes them? They make people happy.

I am trying to break the costs down of a Thai elite card:

In my case I have a retirement visa, my girl-friend from abroad.

So since she is here, I got an ED visa for her, and btw she learns Thai with pleasure, myself being a speaker of Thai.

Now the costs of this ED visa are:

- 25'000 THB for the school

- Approximately 30'000 THB for the trip out to a foreign Thai embassy to renew it. If going wrong it could be well up to 60'000 THB. So I take an average of 45'000 THB for the cost.

- Three-monthly reporting each time 1900 THB, making it 7600 THB per year. Rounded 8'000 THB.

So, all in all, 78'000 THB per year … not included the nerves used in this!

Now, as for the Thai elite visa, 100'000 per year, that is a mere 22'000 THB more than that. Getting preferential treatment at the airport, including a taxi to the hotel. Oh! Twenty-two thousand more only for an elite card, with no hassles, then to the average ED Visa, with all the hassles?

My girl-friend will be in Thai institutions, she is African, with interest in meditation, yoga, Thai cuisine, and Thai language, that she loves learning. And she speaks it more often than me now, experimenting all the time with it. So … if this option remains, I will go for it. It can be considered a tax on foreigners wanting to stay here, and at 8400 THB per month I find that tax okay.

Before I had a Thai maid, a nice one, living in my place, and I paid her 10'000 THB monthly. But then came her kids, her equipment, her needs, it came to 30'000 THB per month. And in the end still feeling guilty to not having been able to give recovery to a (fine) woman with financial needs.

So please, if this Thai government Elite service is available. I find it a great and creative idea to have foreigners live in the country of choice. It is not inexpensive, yet affordable. It gives some freedom to falang living here, without obliging them to rush to marriage that will anyway ruin them, with much higher damage. lol

If she were given the ED visa there, would she still need a return flight when re-entering Thailand again?

Edward de Bono or Vera Birkenbihl, who have been writing about intellect and how to make best use of it, have not relied on IQ, but how to best make use of it: You can drive a Ferrari to scrap, and a Fiat 500 to the target.

Some successful countries have their focus not only on the development of the students with high IQ, but especially also the ones with lower IQ. With that approach, finally all graduates get into a specific skill and will be great experts in one craft.

This would be reached best by apprenticeships following three years of Mathayom.

Thank you, Ubon Joe!

And so the Royal Thai Embassy in Phnom Penh also does not issue ED visas to Africans?

Thank you, that was helpful. I will check with the embassies in Phnom Penh and Kuala Lumpur.

I have invited my Ugandan girl-friend to Thailand, myself being here on a retirement visa.

As Ugandan, she needed my invitation and guarantee including bank statement early this year to get an ED visa issued by Immigration Pattaya.

Now she needs to leave the country like everybody else to renew the visa.

However, we are getting conflicting information about which embassy she should opt for: the friendly Immigration officer at Pattaya told me she could go to Vientiane, the school however tells us that Penang is the right one, but not being certain.

For her application, I will of course write an invitation letter again, and as we have one bank account for the two of us also on her name, she will be able to show considerable cash in Thailand. Will this be supportive?

I am grateful for any hints and advice to my question.

@ Britt_Doogie: And then who is the trusted friends? Who is a) a friend and then trusted c) in Pattaya?

I don't know any. Where to meet friends here? In the beer and gogo bars? On facebook? i see they are all in a peculiar problem.

I see lots of people here, as for aliens "as we Non-Thais are named on official Thai-papers are named …".

And yes, I feel as an alien here, for the contact here to Thai people, which only exists for some giving of money.

Beyond that, there is no contact beyond the regular smiles that are compulsary. More a grimace than a smile.

Anyone will know as soon as having been tricked by the smile.

And as for the "aliens" here? Also not easy to find a reliable one … I don't know any.

So the alien here is feeling being in an empty space. Just naming my own condition.

Condo prices have stood still here since many years.

I live in a condo complex which is mostly owned by foreigners, and I am an owner of one. Yet the condo building is mostly empty. The owners are rarely here, and obviously too immobile to sell them. Many dead people even may be owners here.

I am expecting an exodus of falang very soon here. Thailand loses its lustre. And then condo prices will crumble. I think it is already happening now. The Asian dream will get crushed like any dream before it.

As soon as the last falang has noticed that he is simply an "alien", as noted on the forms of the Immigration Department, then he will pull out of seeing this as his dream destination.

Rightful jurisdiction would increase the condo prices much more than a link to Bangkok. And all of that is as far away as a remote galaxy.

Oh, and one more thing: Do as first thing only a minimal start, for example the ceiling and the aircon. Then you will see how they do this, and you will only be charged for this. Paying the same percentage for this beforehand … that will not hurt. Add up bit by bit to them … I know it will get much lengthier, but easier for you. As soon as they have many items, you lose control, and at the same time become their victim. For them a laugh, for you a nightmare.

Do go to a renting place taking your time. Do your place bit by bit.

I know there have been earlier threads on the topic. Yet they cannot be used to get a clue …

First of all: I warn of naively getting into construction here. I did, and was hammered over months, and got frustrated to the point that I got a depression from the experience. I had a Pattaya builder, one that was even recommended much by the Juristic Manager of my place. And one that shows off two big outlets on Thepasit Road that inspire trust.

From the start of the building, I saw messy and sloppy work … though I had made it clear to the builder that I was opting for high standards. Any complaints were opposed by tricks, and at times I thought the builders were sadists to get me down. As I was short of time to move into the place, I was unflexible to change them, anyway having paid them always beforehand. I can say: they used every trick to keep me with them. In cunningness definetly they are unbeatable, but in standards they were about on the level of the public electricity lines along the roads.

I want to issue a warning here. Do not trust! Even if a recommendation comes from someone trusted, do not trust.

And here is what I would do differently:

a) If taking a Pattaya company, go for one that has had large portfolios that they are willing to show, and also get connected to ex-clients.

Describe in the contract the building standard you are opting for. Do not leave it unmentioned.

c) Have the company garantee these insurances: the time for finishing the construction must be insured, and also failed quality.

d) Do not get intimidated in the process of doing the contract. If the builder makes you feel being slow, and too detailed, change him immediately.

e) Do not get into a builder, because he or she looks a bit cheaper. It will cost more in the end.

f) There are falang managed companies here. More expensive by a bit only, and more reliable I guess. Dealing with falang will be easier …

g) There are Bangkok companies that are professional. I would think over this option sincerely. In the end I doubt whether ANY Pattaya company is able to deliver work as people of falang background expect it. (One Thai company of Pattaya that delivered me excellent teak furniture told me, there is NO good Pattaya construction company, they are all from Bangkok …)

Beware!