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1 hour ago, peterdarby said:

Suspended sentences: meaning they don't go to prison, but if they are caught doing something else wrong within the next year, they will have to serve the one month.

Yep and this should be common knowledge, but thanks for reminding us what it means.

The person I spoke to who got arrested and had a hearing with the judge told me that there was no suspended prison sentence for the people who attended the party. I assume that the media mixed it up with the suspended prison sentence for the bar owner and party organiser. One media copies the wrong information from the other and reports the same misinformation, people who don't have access to the source just believe it then. Nothing new here...
 

2 hours ago, foreverlomsak said:

There were only "89 foreigners and 22 Thais" party goers according to the OP, 111 times 100 fee = 11,100 total according to my math's teacher. No profit was made by either the owner or the organizer with fines of 10,000 each.

111 people were arrested but around 200 people were at the party and paid entrance (excl. owner and staff I assume). When the police turned up, about half of them were able to flee the "crime scene".

Seems this is only half true, according to one of the arrested party people I just asked personally:

"According to Sky News, those in attendance at the bar were each fined 4,000 baht and given a one month prison sentence,  suspended for one year."

4,000 baht fine is confirmed, but no prison sentence for them.

My contact didn't know about the verdict for the bar owner and party organiser because of not speaking Thai.

6 minutes ago, Nout said:

"fine will be delivered in Samui tomorrow for 5000"

What does this mean?

I understood it as that the arrested people would have needed to go to Koh Samui tomorrow for a trial and fine payment, but this is already outdated now because after a change of plans a judge from there will apparently come to Koh Phangan tomorrow, possibly for "fine collection" and such.

Regarding trial, latest news on Koh Phangan (learned from a friend who's partner got arrested) is that a judge from Koh Samui will come over tomorrow. The previous plan was that all arrested people would need to go to court to Koh Samui tomorrow.

Rumors said that they were already on the way or already there but these were probably just rumors, as always...

General talk on Koh Phangan where I live is that it was a fundraiser activity by the involved officers because the "high season" isn't going well this year.  ????

News from someone who went to Koh Phangan police station today to help arrested friends to pay their bail:

"Everyone's going to need to pay fines (Bail is 10,000 and fine will be delivered in Samui tomorrow for 5000) and produce their Passports."

30 minutes ago, jackdd said:

In the LTOs where i have been the fees have been written somewhere on the wall and i always got a receipt

What was the price of the car? (Stated on the transfer ownership form or the purchase contract)

For the ownership transfer you pay a base fee (200 baht or so) + 0.5% of the car's value

For the province transfer it's a few hundred baht for the license plates (i think for a motorbike something like 200, so for a car maybe twice this, but not sure) and some pocket change for stamps (because they have to send some papers to the other LTO).

If the car has a value of about 1.1 million THB, the 6200THB is probably correct.

If the value of the car is considerably less then somebody pocketed some money.

Interesting, thanks! 

I paid 138k THB for a Honda CR-V, 2002 model, 2000 cc, but I am not aware of the purchase price being asked and part of the paperwork.
I just looked for the prices of the newest similar models and found prices around 1.3 to 1.5 million THB, depending on what exactly and never same same as mine of course.

Could it be that they somehow estimated my car's new value to be 1.1 million THB or even got this price from an official list? Or is the real individual original price maybe stored somehow with the data of my car and its number plate?

Or should they have based their calculation on MY purchase price of 138k THB, but somehow made a "mistake" without traces in a receipt? ????
 

I did go back today, to ask if my new number plates and green book had maybe arrived already. Another guy was there, the first thing he asked me for was a receipt! ???? I told him that I didn't get one when the three of us initially went there (which was a week ago) and he didn't seem to be particularly surprised... I didn't go further into details and didn't ask him neither to give me the missing receipt.

He checked my case based based on the insurance papers that I showed him and confirmed that my "order" should be there this Saturday, that's the same day that I was told last week already. The thing is that tomorrow I'll drive a few 100 km away to another province and will only be back early next week. I was wondering if it was OK to drive further away without any green book, for example if there is a police check or even an accident, but was told not to worry because I still had the insurance papers.

Some forum members commented here about the fact that we were three to go there last week, the old registered owner, the old unregistered owner / seller and me as the new yet to be registered owner / buyer. The old unregistered owner / seller wasn't involved in any official procedures there, he came to the office just as a kind of a guest. Everything official was done between the old registered owner and me, so I don't think that the seller's presence added anything to the cost. The private sales contract was between the old unregistered owner / seller  and me, but this contract didn't matter and wasn't involved in the owner change.

I talked to the seller today about my suspicion that there might have been a scam. He didn't think so but told me that he heard earlier that the LTO actually had "Farang prices" and "Thai prices" for their services. I wonder how official / legal that is... Did anyone else here ever experience this at a LTO? So far I have only seen and experienced double pricing for national park entries.

On a positive note, never ever have I seen so little bureaucracy in a Thai government office, almost unbelievable!

Imagine this at immigration: no waiting time, just give the passport to photocopy, 3 or 4 signatures where they say so on forms and the passport photocopy, pay money without ANY paperwork involved ???? 

(actually the last point does happen to me sometimes at immigration, when asked to pay 2000 baht instead of 1900 for an extension but that's within tolerance)
 

20 minutes ago, Qualibus said:

Ownership only changed once, officially.   The registered owner was the only one who was involved in the paperwork transaction/transfer according to the OP.   As far as the LTD would be concerned, the person who was physically selling the car was not the registered owner and could only be involved in the transfer on a personal financial basis with the OP, surely?  There should be no fees for his involvement. 

exactly!

11 hours ago, stubuzz said:

The age and type of car will affect the price.

18 years old Honda CR-V, 2000 cc, 4WD, automatic

-- any idea if this makes it an expensive case and too old for receipts? ????

25 minutes ago, impulse said:

I can't imagine walking out with only a promise of pending paperwork and no receipt in case it doesn't arrive. 

 

yeah I agree that I was a bit naive to accept the explanation that I would get everything later together with the number plates.

Taxes seem to be paid up to date, the car has a year 2564 sticker and I was informed by the officer that next time to pay would be next June, so I guess it's not this. 

I bought a used car from a Farang who wasn't the official registered owner, but his friend of the same nationality who was the previous owner was. So the three of us went to the local Land Traffic Office for doing the owner change. There I learned that a province change was also necessary because the car was currently registered in another one. I didn't know when I agreed to buy the car that a province change was necessary as well, maybe the (unregistered) seller didn't know it neither, at least we never talked about it until the officer told us that it was necessary, consequently also to get new number plates. The paperwork was super easygoing, just a few signatures by me and the previous official owner here and there, all forms in Thai only which I cannot read nor understand.

The big surprise was the price: 6200 THB for everything, incl. a very quick technical check which I didn't attend because meanwhile I had to go to an ATM nearby to get enough cash to pay this amount. I didn't get any receipt (strange...) and didn't explicitly ask for it neither but I did ask for proof that we did the owner + province change and was told that I would get everything, incl. the green book, together with the new number plates in a bit less than two weeks. Because I walked out with empty hands I took a picture of the office incl. the officer sitting at his desk from a few meters away, he didn't seem to mind.

So, is 6200 THB for this "business" the normal price or maybe the Farang price and I have been scammed big time??

6 hours ago, Jimbo2014 said:

Expensive flights because Bangkok Air and the "Consortium" monopolised the airport.  The ring road is horribly developed and now has diesel cars chugging out all the way around with barely a cafe length to the beach.  The remote side of the island is very poorly developed and lacks nice beaches.  Prices are high.  Whats to love?  

What I personally love the most on Koh Samui: the ferries to Koh Phangan ! ????

Overpriced flights to Koh Samui can be avoided by flying to Suratthani instead, the extra time spent on longer ferry rides is worth the 1000s of baht saved on flights.

6 hours ago, johng said:

Jomtien and Pattaya beaches usually have a fair few lanterns released on "Loy Krating" night which this year coincides with Halloween,there will also be a "bikini" run on Pattaya beach.

Thanks for your contribution, but my question was neither about Jomtien and Pattaya (hence posting in a Chiang Mai forum) nor about Loy Krathong which happens in Chiang Mai one day after Yee Peng festival.

I'm not interested in a pricy event and assume that it will be possible to watch lanterns go up in the sky for free, maybe next to an event location. Any advice from friendly local expats where would be best?

I am very aware that everything is scaled down a lot this year but tickets for mass lantern releases are still sold. No idea how many are being bought, though, and this certainly affects the number of lanterns in general and at specific locations. 

Thanks from a stingy domestic farang tourist. ✌️????????

I am usually not a conspiracy theorist believing in all kind of weird nonsense about hidden government agendas and I do think that the Thai government has generally done a great job in containing Covid-19, no matter if covidiots get that or (more likely) not. 

But I definitely see a possibility that the current Thai governments (national and provincial) are abusing their newly acquired powers to crack down on the sex industry here. Go-go-bars that don't survive might be seen as a big success by them. Of course, I am just speculating here and not accusing anyone in power of any wrongdoings. ???? 

22 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

You can apply for your extension up to 30 days early at most offices and 45 days at others. No need to wait until the last day.

It's definitely good to go as early as possible.

For the Immigration office on Koh Samui, more than 7 to 10 days in advance seems "not possible" though. My yearly extension usually expires on 29th April. I have been told by immigration officers to apply for my next 1-year extension only from the 19th (in the last two years) or from the 22nd (this year).

Will an address change (within the same province, in my case) reset the 90 days count for the next address reporting of a yearly non O extension, especially by Koh Samui immigration? 

Or are address change and address reporting completely independent from each other?

10 hours ago, khunPer said:

I feel sorry for those of you coming over from Koh Phangan, if you also need to spend two days at Immigration; i.e. two trips over to Samui.

I am one of them and I did indeed need to do two inter island trips in April this year, for exactly the same reason as described by khunPer.

Last year I needed two trips as well, because I went there on the 12th, my current extension was going to expire on the 29th and I was told "come back number 19". This year I went there on the 19th from the start, things looked good first but after the TM30 process downstairs (which cost me 100 baht) I was told upstairs to come again on the 24th. I asked if I was still too early and the officer replied "no, everyone has to come again".

This year I handed in the "special" TM7 form with e-mail address and phone number that I received at the counter when I did the previous 90 days reporting, without having requested it, together with the list of requirements. Last year I showed up with a TM7 form downloaded from the immigration website which was not good enough because of the missing extras. Next year I will make sure to get the "special" TM7 form again at my last address reporting before doing the next extension. And then I will look forward to the next surprise, as there seems to be always something wrong or new. ????