scoteng

This so amusing how people think I am a troll. I've written a life story, done loads of posts, uploaded pictures but yet I am still a troll.

Let's hope you can't be identified from all that, now you have admitted having sex with an underage girl.

Straight on the sex offenders list in your home country if they find out!

Oh jesus. This is all making sense now. When I first met her she said she was 20, so I thought right I will return to Thailand for her 21st but then I see her facebook and says she is 19 and she was like yeah and acted as though she had never told me she was 20! I thought the legal age was 18 but either way she told me she was 20 and it's the bars fault letting her work there. If she started in march she had 4 months until she was 20, maybe they thought with it being so close they'll let her work there.

This so amusing how people think I am a troll. I've written a life story, done loads of posts, uploaded pictures but yet I am still a troll.

27/07/94

That would have made her underage when you first met her.

Bars don't employ underage girls all that often, too risky.

Fake ID!

More likely Troll post, but a good one, I enjoyed it.

Under age? Is 19 illegal? Not a fake ID she used it at airport I think they will know what a fake ID would be like. I know she is 20 jesus seriously I admit the photos I posted she looks a bit more mature but in person she's just a young little girl not 26-30 Christ. This post has been silly for a long time and I'm not about to argue with something that I know is true and also irrelevant. If this girl is 26 plus then I am a 101 year old tranny living in the amazon. Grow up some people.

27/07/94

I dudnt see the pics. Anyone know here?

I missed the pictures as well.

Can we get a rating (0-10) consensus to help advise Scooter on his quest?

Remember Scooters previous girlfriend was a lot older than him. Could be some Mummy issues creeping into this story.

MrToad, can you give us your professional opinion on this?

She was a 6-7, not bad at all, but definitely over 26. OP is clearly inexperienced at judging Thai ages.

Normally for an inexperienced foreigner to get a Thai girls age right, judge her age, then add 10 years.

As OP stated he thinks under 20 (which would be illegal), add 10 and age 29 might be more accurate.

@OP

We aren't saying mean stuff, we are telling you as it really is.

You don't want to listen, that's OK, but remember, you asked us.

PS

Do you know her age? it's written on her Thai ID card.

First Thai girl I dated, told me 38, when I sneaked a look at her ID card it was 44.

Tip for newcomers, take a photo of your Thai ladies ID card on your phone. Then you know her name and age.

Mate yes I have seen her ID card. The one she used boarding the plane to Samui. Jesus seriously if you see her in person you would give yourself a slap for saying she's 26 ha ha seriously.

She is a cute, probably mid-twenties given that TG tend to look younger. Not too dark but definitely with a "look of experience" in her eyes. My impression from seeing the photo (apologies to OP) is that she is a young professional and will far outwit the OP - who looks like a thoroughly decent bloke. Anyway, it's all part if the craziness of Thailand and life is long! Good luck OP. Great thread and kudos for posting an actual photo.

Wow she is definitely not mid twenties ha ha. I have seen her ID card you know the one she used to board the plane to Samui, and yes she is just turned 20. She actually looks younger than 20 in person and have to ROFL at these comments saying shes mid twenties to thirties.

She drinks tequila shots. What she does is get a guy to buy her a drink and egg him on to drink it so she can get more bought for her. That is definitely true as she did that with me when I first met her in the bar. I ended up necking most of her tequila shots. She also forces herself to throw up sometimes.

Scooter...you are pretty new to the scene, but she is showing many years of experience.

From the photo, age somewhere between 26 and 32.

Assume she started working at age 20, assume 1-2 customers every day.

6 years at 500 per year (5 day working week), that's a minimum of 3,000 customers.

Jesus your age judgement is horrendous. If you actually saw her in person you would definitely think she was younger than 20!!! No more comments from me on this thread everyone has turned sad and bitter. I'm sorry that most of you are probably 50 year fat messes who have been shat on by bar girls. You are the gullible mugs who think a young thai could love you in your state. Maybe mine will turn out to be a nightmare, but there's less chance as I am closer to her age and actually have some looks. What was I thinking posting somewhere that most people are just clueless and don't know the girl or the situation at all. Thanks to some comments of concern and some of encouragement. But the rest who just assume a lot of things and are saying stupid nasty comments well all I can say is enjoy your retirement you dirty old pervs, toodles.

She drinks tequila shots. What she does is get a guy to buy her a drink and egg him on to drink it so she can get more bought for her. That is definitely true as she did that with me when I first met her in the bar. I ended up necking most of her tequila shots. She also forces herself to throw up sometimes.

Im not judging you or her but, let me ask you a couple simple questions. Just think about them. Did you not pick up a girl who has said to you repeatedly that she doesnt bar fine? Yes. Did she not go home with you? Yes. Just think about it.

She also said, "I no like Thai man" , and "I only work bar for one week", and "I no like old man" , because the OP is young. When she talks to the old fools she says " I no like young farang because too much bum bum"

She hasn't said those things actually. She had only worked a short period that was very obvious due to her Facebook page and the fact that she started becoming friends with all the girls from the bar on Facebook along with her very bad English at the time.

Give us the name of the bar so we can find out if she's willing to sleep with a man over 50 for 2000 baht. Then I can report back to you.

Not much point I can get my friend to do it who lives over there if I really wanted to.

Her jewellery don't look to cheap. Mind you, you're not at that stage yet. She's a sweet looking girl, seems over twenty though. Not sure it was a good idea to post on TVF given the number of budding private eyes there appear to be on here.

Ha ha she bought that necklace as soon as I returned to the UK the first time. She said she bought it with the money I paid her for her company. Think it cost her 20,000 baht and she showed me the shop where she got it from. She openly admits that first time I went to Thailand I was just about the money, but she started liking me properly towards end of my holiday and she said she expected me to go home and not return to see her. I kept in touch with her everyday and she liked that and she knew I was more serious, then I returned to see her and we got on really well, just like any normal couple would do.

So you spent £5000 in three weeks in Bangkok but let your teelak pay for flights to Samui. The holes in the story are getting bigger.

People don't read things properly do they? I said I won a few thousand, so I had unexpected money to go out and blow to go and have a good time and get over my previous relationship. I return home and my situation money wise is back to normal. There is a 3 month gap of my return to Thailand so I am hardly going to be loaded for my next trip. I wanted to leave it a little longer but holidays at work were fully booked in august and weather in September is hardly great in Thailand. I would've paid for the flights anyway but she was very insistent. What is actually wrong with her paying for something anyway? Considering she actually probably doesn't earn far off what I get and I'm spending £2,500 total for the trip and her practically nothing? Is it not normal for a british woman to pay money towards things? So any holes you think are getting bigger in this story, well I have just filled them back in. Anything else I'm saying to make any holes bigger for me to fill in? So anyone else saying I'm a troll or making this story up well 555 you are wrong because this is 100% reality and I'm not sad enough like some clowns are to make stories up for giggles. I maybe sad or stupid enough to start a relationship with a bar girl on the other hand. I work nights as a croupier remember so I'm hardly wanting to use any spare time wasted making stories on this website, but of course I might have made up being a croupier 5555 whatever.

Sorry but I'm just getting annoyed with people thinking this real situation is made up and I'm a troll. If you think that don't comment.

Dude, go back and read your post #245 and you wrote £5000. Some people don't write things properly. If you dropped that kind of cash (or even half that) teelak probably thinks you're a big fish and just trying to be modest or make her show sincerity. Anyway, I think you're playing around with her and you're playing around with us on this forum. You went Thailand, had some fun with a bar girl, and now want to convince yourself and the world that it was more than that. Especially yourself. If your feelings were legit you would be desperately trying to keep this girl chaste. You'd be asking how can I make sure she doesn't bar fine, you might even be taking up or wanting to take up some forum members offers to investigate. Instead you're fairly laid back about it. You go to see her in November, have some more fun, and then decide, to move no. No issue with that, it's what guys and gals like you two do. What irks is when you dress it up as a big love affair when your actions and responses show that it is not.

Yes mate I spent £5,000 the first time I was there on a big blow out. 2nd time I only spent £1,200 in spending money the rest was flights and accommodation. She's very cheap to look after, as she eats thai food which is obviously cheap and barely drinks (probably as she is having a break from drinking so much in her job).

Ten girls work at the bar i use. Two of them "do not" go with customers as they have got boy friends in England and Germany. So lets get used to the idea that some girls can be and are faithful.

And the bar employs those two out of feelings of charity?

Bar girls are not just there for sex. They're hired to entertain the guests and to keep them there for as long as possible and buy as many drinks. A bar only earns around 500 baht for a bar fine but could earn more quite easily having the girl getting the customers to buy her drinks and so on.

She says she doesn't bar fine now as she loves me too much to do that, but does shows and dancing.

The OP in my opinion is just a 24 year old kid and all this is a great adventure for him.

If the so-called love of his life is still in with the bar scene, than she is going with tricks, Johns, customers, however you like to describe them, no questions about it, 100%.

What should be the main concerns of the OP that if he has been having unprotected sex with a prostitute is the fact that he may have been exposed to HIV or aids and should have himself tested a.s.a.p. Because the odds are that this woman will never be loyal to 1 guy but probably has several on the go, paying or not, including as most have, a hanger on Thai boyfriend.

Many if not seeking an immediate earner will be looking for ways to obtain a residence and visas in the hope of living abroad and view the gullible farang as a means of leaving Thailand.

Whether the OP wants to face the facts and believe or not is up to him, and how far he decides to take this adventure is at his own risk and discretion.

Just a typical poster branding every bar girl as the same. Surely some of them can be good they can't all be the same? By the way she is not the love of my life. Seen her for 5 months hardly love of my life. Love of my life was my previous girlfriend.

Ten girls work at the bar i use. Two of them "do not" go with customers as they have got boy friends in England and Germany. So lets get used to the idea that some girls can be and are faithful.

Thank you it's nice to hear from someone that this is a practice that happens in the bars. She seems very genuine about not bar fining and is getting a bit annoyed now about me questioning it all the time. She tells me a lot about her night and about the customers so confidently it just seems true. She says there's another girl in the bar who doesn't bar fine that has a boyfriend from America but she also says there's still a lot of girls in the bar who bar fine and have boyfriends and she doesn't like it. Been questioning her a lot with all that everyone has said, and I need to stop it or she'll eventually have enough and give up and see no point in us. As regards the money she earns I think it's a very decent amount considering she doesn't bar fine. 12,500 baht basic bar pay for dancing. 6,000 baht for shows. 50 baht per lady drink and she can get up to 20 lady drinks in a night quite easy but let's say she averages 15=750 baht working lets say 25 nights a month = 18,750 baht plus any tips she gets for shows or drinking with customers it all adds up very quickly. She has a lady come in regular with her Norwegian boyfriend that has a lot of money and she sits and drinks with her. She buys champagne etc and she gets 2,000+baht off her for sitting drinking with her for the night. You imagine she came to the bar 10 nights a month that would be 20,000+ just off her. Most normal working thais get around 8000 baht. She gets 18,500 + 50 baht per drink and tips. This could easily amount to 40,000-50,000 baht per month. Is that not enough for a thai to live pretty comfortably especially as her room only sets her back 4,000 a month?

A bargirl who doesn't go with customers? Is that anything like...?

A barber who doesn't cut hair?

A mechanic who doesn't do oil changes?

A waitress who doesn't serve food ?

A doctor who doesn't diagnose?

A meter maid who doesn't write parking tickets?

A gardener who doesn't cut grass?

A Santa Claus who doesn't deliver presents?

A priest who doesn't hear confessions?

Job description is bar girl, which can mean serving drinks, encouraging people in the bar and getting lady drinks, not prostitute. Not exactly same as a barber who doesn't cut hair etc.

get a hold of her mobile. Since she has a lot of customers see how long her contacts list is. If its looooooooooooong you got a bad one. A girl who only hustles for drinks doesnt need a list of customers.

My gut feeling tells me op is a humptity dumpity....................lol.

She hasn't had anything to hide. When I have been with her she always leaves her phone around and lets me go on it at my own free will and doesn't look concerned when I go on it.

Gut feeling says I'm on to a good one. If it turns out I was totally wrong I will be straight on here with my pants down and let people know of the experience. *case closed*.

So you spent £5000 in three weeks in Bangkok but let your teelak pay for flights to Samui. The holes in the story are getting bigger.

People don't read things properly do they? I said I won a few thousand, so I had unexpected money to go out and blow to go and have a good time and get over my previous relationship. I return home and my situation money wise is back to normal. There is a 3 month gap of my return to Thailand so I am hardly going to be loaded for my next trip. I wanted to leave it a little longer but holidays at work were fully booked in august and weather in September is hardly great in Thailand. I would've paid for the flights anyway but she was very insistent. What is actually wrong with her paying for something anyway? Considering she actually probably doesn't earn far off what I get and I'm spending £2,500 total for the trip and her practically nothing? Is it not normal for a british woman to pay money towards things? So any holes you think are getting bigger in this story, well I have just filled them back in. Anything else I'm saying to make any holes bigger for me to fill in? So anyone else saying I'm a troll or making this story up well 555 you are wrong because this is 100% reality and I'm not sad enough like some clowns are to make stories up for giggles. I maybe sad or stupid enough to start a relationship with a bar girl on the other hand. I work nights as a croupier remember so I'm hardly wanting to use any spare time wasted making stories on this website, but of course I might have made up being a croupier 5555 whatever.

Sorry but I'm just getting annoyed with people thinking this real situation is made up and I'm a troll. If you think that don't comment.

No longer sense that the OP is genuinely interested in Thai Visa member's opinions. His most recent posts seem to be have been written for the primary purpose of trying to see how long he can keep this thread alive.

Really don't care about keeping the thread alive. Why would I? Hadn't skyped her for 3 weeks due to no internet,and think my mind ran away with me, but now I have internet and have skyped her and talked to her in great detail, and remembered of course this girl is nice and different to others. I don't need people telling me different, who haven't spent any time with her. Everyone just goes off on the oh she is a bar girl, she's a whore after your money and continuing to sleep with guys and mugging you off. Just because a lot of you on here have had bad experiences doesn't mean everyone else does. Bar girls are still human and there has to be some of them who have a heart and are decent honest people. I believe I have found the decent one. So many times I have said why do you want me I don't send money to you and take care of you and she always says I don't care about money, I care you. I have told her about my situation and she knows I am not well off and that I won't be sending her money, but she still insists that it's ok she just wants us to be happy.

Regardless of the whether you are a troll or not, please keep posting.

This story gets better and better...are you sure you are not writing a book?

"Scoteng's life was going nowhere fast - He had just lost the love of his life, he hated his job and his Mum threatened to throw him out of the basement. Life sucked.

So, as a last hurrah he bets on a football game and wins big and decides to join his mates on a weeks holiday to Thailand. He didn't know it as he boarded that plane, but life was about to change forever.

And then it happened. He walked into a Go Go Bar and there, on stage, shuffling to a remix of "Hits of 98" he saw her - the dark skinned, purple nippled, flat footed princess that would change his life forever. He spent the night with her, and then the next and then the next. Despite spending 5,000 pounds in 3 weeks, she paid her barfine and flight to Samui and even got Scoteng's name tattooed in Thai on her, or at least thats what she told him. He knew his life would never be the same. She was the one.

She told him about her child with a Thai man at 15, her drug dealing ex boyfriend and his girlfriend in jail and many other wondrous stories. He was intrigued. Where had this girl been all my life? She was perfect.

Eventually, he had to return to his dreary life as a Croupier in the UK, and leave his beloved to struggle with the generosity of drinks from strangers. She still danced, and drunk men leered, but through the smoke and lasers no one saw the tears trickle down her cheeks and splatter on the mirrored floor of the bar.

An intriguing story of love that is sure to warm you heart...or make you laugh your ass off"

Coming soon.

My name is tattoed in English not Thai. By the way I actually don't mind my life in the Uk working as a croupier, it's my kind of job. Unfortunately can't seem to let go of this.

OP, seriously, just say which bar she works in and how she looks, or show a picture of her, and I will check her out for you.

You can PM me. I'm serious about this.

I can understand OP is enchanted by this girl. It is what sets a Thai bar girl apart from any western prostitute: Thai girls are fun.

With western working girls it is more like entering into a business agreement.

On top of that, this girl is a 20 year old Thai girl. Nothing more needs to be said really.

OP, at the end of the day, your girl is still a working girl. She has a quota to reach, money to make, family to support,

kid to provide for (by the way, have you already about taking up the responsibility of raising a kid that is not yours?).

Sure she is nice, sure she is lovely, sure she has feelings, she is a 20 year old person, so yes a lot of what you see and what she says is

real, of course.

She might not want to go with men, she might feel bad about it for you, so she tells you she isn't doing that anymore,

but I would bet the amount of a bar fine that she is still going with men.

If you are of Asian persuasion as I am, then Thai girls are just darn pretty, cute, lovely, beautiful.

In fact, there is not much else of attraction in Thailand really.

But Thai girls, Thais in general, are masters at pretending. This is not Thai bashing. Anyone who has spent

long enough time in Thailand (I, 7 years counting), interacting with Thais, knows this.

It's part of Thai culture to pretend, so they are good at it.

Some say Thais are not so bright, but you can bet that this girl is looking out for herself and looking at options

for her future, and part of that is keeping options open and not betting on one horse.

Now that might sound void of emotion, but understand that she is from a poor rural background, has family to take care of,

a kid to take care of, there is no welfare to speak of in Thailand, so her mind has to be focused on getting the best out of it.

If you want to develop a serious relationship with this girl, then of course you don't want her to work in that bar any longer, which means

she will have to quit and you will have to substitute the income she had.

This is not necessarily a Thai bar girl leeching off a farang.

A Thai guy would have to do that too. Difference is, not many Thai guys would take

a bar girl to be their girlfriend.

Also, you never really know what a person is doing unless you live with that person 24/7.

So the question is, do you want to make this girlfriend your actually girlfriend and take care of her and her kid,

and probably her grandmother, financially, while you see her 3x3 weeks in a year?

She is just 20 now and from what you have written about her, she hasn't turned into one of those hardened

bar b1tches yet, so don't wait too long to make your own decision.

The offer I started this post with still stands by the way.

Thanks for the offer but I already have a friend out there who could do it but I have chosen to just let her get on with it. She has said to me you have friend in Bangkok why don't you get him to come in the bar and then you will know I no bar fine.

If she had only worked in the bar a week, and you took her out of there immediately, then your chances are good. But 3 months in the bar is a sure way for her to transform from shy, demure and no alcohol, to tattoos, belly-button ring and a dirty laugh when she's pissed. The other girls will put peer pressure on her to be like them, while fat-walleted customers will up the price until she says ok. Her own naivete about foreigners and younger men, will soon change when she realizes you won't or can't afford to whisk her away. She doesn't yet know you are a poor prospect. Old farts are much better because they only need sex once a week and not 3 times a day, will die within a few years, fall in love easily (after painful divorces and the lack of available women back home) (usually over 40) and have pensions and assets that can be skillfully transferred.

I fear it is already too late for you but as you are in the middle of a fantasy, enjoy it while it lasts.

She already had a tattoo. In fact she has my name tattooed on herself ha ha.

Being 24 and "not desperate" as you said on page 1, would you pursue a relationship in the UK with these identical circumstances?

And why does every poster who picks up a bar girl begin their posts with "I dont struggle with ladies back home"

and yet they come to a third world country, and pick up a hooker (no skills/effort/hansumness required) and wonder why people dont believe a word they say

I came out of a 5 year relationship and won a few thousand on a football bet. My mate said he was heading out to Thailand so I thought screw it never been that part of the world before. I'd been struggling for months after the break up from her and was off work a while with depression (various other reasons lead to this not just the break up). I wanted to go to Thailand and just have a big blow out, with plenty of bars and female company. I spent £5,000 in 3 weeks in Bangkok! One of my mates we met out there showed us all the ropes and took us to this bar. It was about 1am and I was drunk and he just goes which one do you like? I pointed to one and he waved her down and I really enjoyed her company. I couldn't believe how nice thais were and I possibly made a mistake in going back to see the same one and I kept doing it over again and ended up getting attached. It wasn't meant to happen. Yes I could end up getting a girl here, but I just like how laid back, caring and loving thais are. British girls like to think they're in control and try and make you what they want you to be. It seems thais girls just want you to be happy, and that they're happy when you're happy. Maybe I've just been hit hard by my last break up and lost my way and gone a bit nuts, I don't know.

Hey OP:

I just want to go back to something you said quite a while ago. You said your girlfriend has told you on several occasions things like: "I'm not a good girl. I want you to find a good girl. I'm not right for you." That sort of struck a chord with me, because I've heard these phrases before from Thai women I've been involved with in the past.

I would seriously ask myself what she is trying to tell you by saying things like this. My experience has been that when a Thai woman says stuff like this, what she's really saying is: "I want out of the relationship."

I'm not saying this woman doesn't like you. My sense is that she probably does, for all I know, maybe a lot. You say you are a good looking guy, it sounds like there's reasonable chemistry between the two of you, and you're from the same generation. I'm sure these are all plusses in her eyes. So that begs the question: why would she harbour ambivalence about the relationship?

Trying to see things from her perspective, I can think of a few reasons. First off, you're not here, and she knows you could drop off the face of the planet at any time.

You've expressed little interest in providing for her and her child. From her perspective, you're one of these guys who wants to be a penpal or Skype-mate for months (maybe years) on end, and doesn't see any reason to make a commitment. SOP for most bar girls would be to jettison guys like that asap. Without a doubt, she is being bombarded left and right with stories from all the other girls in the bar bragging about how much money they are raking in from their clientele. Even if she doesn't already have other foreigners who are sending her money, the temptation to try and hook a new prospect must be enormous. Why would she invest any time in what would at best be a long shot?

Finally, she may have commitments back home, including the father of her child. By the way, I don't understand how he got your phone number to send you pictures. If he sent you pictures of him and his wife (your girlfriend) it definitely sounds like he is laying claim to her on some level. I'd be careful about this.

Just a couple last comments. I've seen a couple of young guys in their 20s come over here, quickly get involved with a Thai woman, and have one or more children with them. They seem to have given no thought whatsoever to their long-term future beforehand. When the reality of their life started to sink in it became grim. One guy became a raging alcholic. He ran around making up stories about how he had tons of money, disappearing for days on end, worrying his family to death. Another guy, who helped his wife sell grilled sausages in the market, ended up having a serious motorbike accident and getting shipped back home for medical rehab.

Thailand itself - - not just its women - - has a way of seducing you, lulling you into a false sense of complacency, encouraging the illusion that the laws of nature don't apply to you, and entrancing you into believing that you've somehow - -miraculously - - been handed a 'get-out-of-jail-free' card which exempts you from all that is the human condition. Coming to the realization that this isn't true, can be tough. I'm just saying, look before you leap into the fire.

The situation with her ex boyfriend doesn't worry me one bit. He didn't get hold of my number, he found me on Facebook and sent me it. I went on his Facebook and he isn't even friends with my gf and but it said he was in a relationship with another girl who at the time was friends with my gf so he must of found me through her. I'm pretty certain she doesn't have a thai boyfriend, but I know it is pretty common in these situations. How could she come away with me for 2 weeks at a time? They'd be no point if he was letting her do it for the money as I haven't given her any. I didn't want money to be involved right now because I didn't want it to be a business deal I want to see if she actually likes me not money. If we ever live together than I will be more than happy to provide for her.

"You remember I am aware what these girls are like and it took a long time of keeping a close eye on her and seeing how she is for me to start letting my guard down."

Short memory!

You or me?

Next game!

A very mature 24 year old, so mature it is obviously a troll!

Get real I am not a troll. In what way do I convince you that I am a troll?