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'or standard buses to provide the service.'

No thanks!

Fake Chinese vegetarian food.

No! Fake Chinese vegetarian vegetables food containing meat: Market killer... .

The OP starts with 'may have'.

Really; what is the point of commenting on more ifs and buts, until evidence is presented?

Forget it; it's a waste of your time and alls' included.

As for the continued masquerading CID officers and dreaming aliens....... pathetic. Keep your ideas to yourselves, instead of insulting relatives hoping for valid news.

For a population of circa 68M, 1.8 M of youths aged 15-24 is nothing dramatic, and again should be compared with international figures. I'm sure the percentage in the UK is a lot higher than Thailand's, despite huge price differences.

http://ash.org.uk/files/documents/ASH_106.pdf

This kind of amount is huge, would be interesting to find out exactly where they got them and who actually printed them?

Canon can.

Curried chicken-wings all round, for the next 5 days.

Playing with statistics is almost useless IMHO.

My perception, right or wrong, is that, in many parts of the world, rapes and sexual assaults are massively under-reported.

Somewhat true, but one has to start somewhere, doesn't one?

I think we all know that in certain countries and cultures rape is less likely to be reported, for fear of retribution or even being outcast or even rebuked for one's own actions (including being attacked).

"It is highly likely that more than 50% or much more of rapes in Thailand go unreported, for fear of retribution or rebuke, and fear that the system here would not cater to the victim. Even if the perpretrator were to be proven to have committed wrong action, a small fine would likely see him walk free" {sic} (regarding rape from male to female). [source: the other one, not permitted to link].

You all are comparing the wrong things. Every country can quote its rape statistics. No one here has looked at the real problem. The mentality of a Thai man that made the leader of this country make such a comment initially. This attitude is rampant amongst the Thai man. Sure the General made an apology. That in itself was a step forward. However it does not change the fact that the comment was made by a leader of a country and that rape occurs here a lot just as their statistics dont accurately show the true number of rapes because of the mentality of Thai people. This is a core issue amongst thais which should be addressed.

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that issue should be addressed in dozens of conservative countries. and it will be. slowly. in the meantime, I have met many people in western society that would agree with that. it is common.

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Womens%20Page/clothing_does_matter.htm

http://returnofqueens.com/womens-responsibility-in-preventing-rape/

http://barbwire.com/2014/08/29/godlessness-safety-nail-polish-rape-culture/

http://www.economist.com/node/21561883

This thread should be locked. It just becomes more and more sickening, with sick ideas and lack of content by posters having a Saturday evening drink!

It is going nowhere; full of awful and shocking assumptions.

Whatever happened to your respect for the deceased and the families reading this, hoping to get clues? Why the need to spout-off illegitimete thoughts of no value?

Please, give it a rest - until the next thread tomorrow - which you can all attack once more.

I never read so many: 'I think', 'maybe', 'possibly', 'likely', 'perhaps', 'could have', and so forth rubbish and simply guessing posts.

This is a very sensitive issue.

Why don't most of the posters here just give it a rest and respect sensitivity, and leave it to where results belong or may come from?

I'm sure the British Embassy and British police and forensics experts are trying to work hard and advise Thai police about procedures.

Second guessing and passing on guesses helps in no way whatsoever.

Parents of other victims are reading everything here, to try to offer help in their past experiences; you should please respect that!

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The police also were sceptical about the blood stained hoe used in battering the two tourists to death.

A police officer said normally a criminal would throw away any weapon used in the murder to destroy evidence. But in this case, they were astonished when the hoe was not thrown away, just lied near the log and covered with a sack.

The murderer struck the victims with the hoe and then put it back to hide at the place, which was very unusual, an officer said.

This indicated that the murderer was a cold blooded person, he said.

Keep making public statements like this guys. It just shows your total lack of experience, and that you are unqualified to investigate a crime of this nature.

I don't see how putting the hoe back where they found it, instead of throwing it away, proves they are cold blooded killers, although I don't doubt they are. Putting the hoe back may have been done to throw the police off into thinking that the person who owns this hoe, like the guy who cleans the beach, is the prime suspect. Like he needed it the next day to so his work so he put it back.

As I said all along I wouldn't count Christopher Ware totally out of the picture right yet. If you are reading this Chris then I am sorry but having bloody clothes in your bag, and leaving in a hurray looks very suspicious. Even if the blood is yours. Especially when Miller had bruised fists and the blood could be from a nose bleed he cause you during the fight. Hope you have a solid alibi.

I don't know about the rest of you guys but I am not sure I would walk my very attractive girlfriend down an isolated beach, after drinking, at two in the morning, and past 3 strangers. I for sure know she would not want me to. But then if I knew at least one person, as in Miller knowing Ware, and he was my roommate, then I don't think it would bother me then. Maybe even give me more of a comfort feeling.

Hum???

Too mch info Goldy..........

Translation only ?? Has anyone on say facebook reading a Thai typed comment, and pressed the translate to English button ??? it is complete and utter near non readable rubbish that does not even equate to English---example Bing. Anything in this land translated is never near the original, how on earth can posters here on TVF reply correctly.

Dead right!

I just read, but can't give the website, that there's a rock in Koh Tao now with a big sign saying, "Durex was here."

The one thing that seems to have been omitted here is the fact that the students attitude determines how much or how little they learn. Many, probably most do not have an interest in learning and see uni as a way to avoid working for few years as well! They may be subject to parental pressure due to the need to maintain face, something that is not common in the West.

My Thai stepdaughter is currently halfway through taking a BA in English in BKK and with a 6 month gap this year spent 3 months in London on a full time English conversation and grammar course. She was graded as upper intermediate on completion. The reason that her spoken English is good is due to the fact that she wants to learn English and take her Masters degree in England. Furthermore having a conversation with her in English is not a problem and she also chats to her mother in English and corrects her too, much to my amusement! If the desire and will are not there then nothing much is going to be learned, regardless of the subject. Her elder sibling, after 8 years, still cannot put a sentence together and has difficulty in understanding anything but simple English words, slowly. Apart from the will to learn some people find languages easy whereas others find them hard, however, for example, Engineering etc. may come easily to them. Each to their own.

It is not student originality in attitude, unless such an attitude is inculcated and indroctrinated at an early age. Student attitude, as you said, 'is a fact' which determines how much or how little they learn. Sorry, I disagree; it is more than that. Early learning takes a huge responsibility. Why would you ridicule your own stepdaughter, by the way? Don't, or 'haven't you' rather, inculcated learning? Your own English writing isn't so hot.

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Most employers in the US feel the same about US Graduates as well...

Guess that must mean that US Universities are also crap?

http://dailyfreepress.com/2012/12/10/employers-view-recent-graduates-as-unprepared-study-suggests/

Yes, there is often a disconnect between what businesses and governments need and what is produced by the educational systems. It's up to the parents and others to direct children in the right direction as some schools choose the path of least resistance and/or the highest fees.

This thread is supposed to be about the level of qualifications of Thai graduates, and not their ability to speak, read, or write English.

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The majority of students I engage with work pretty darned hard, and take their degrees seriously. If they are falling to levels of lower graduation in many subjects, in comparison to other countries, then where does the blame really lie? Institutions and systems are failing the students, as the students don't know any better. It is ok to criticise the students but, in all reality; the blame rests upon the institutions, and the systems within which the students study.

The institutions cater to what the government, parents and fees provide. Private institutions are in 'business' to make money. If they don't graduate students, future students may choose to go elsewhere. Yes, some students are simply paying for their degrees and some truly want to earn their degrees.

In the USA, they have a growing number of commercial 'quickie' colleges that advertise guaranteed employment upon graduation - Get In, Get out, Get a Job, Pay for Student Loans the rest of your life.... I have interviewed many IT students from these 'schools' and would not hire any of them based upon their 'education.'

In every grade and undergraduate classroom, 50% of the students are below median. Some of the lowest scoring students should not go to the next grade level, however with parental pressures and limited teacher resources, these failing students are pushed forward. I put the responsibility on the parents as that is where it starts... The parents could hold the child back, they could provide tutoring, they could promote learning...

You say 50% of students are below 'median'. Thus, who is failing who? If a student fails, in my opinion, the student has thus been placed within the wrong level, or may even have learning difficulties. Ignoring government policies, shouldn't the teacher/lecturer or whomever take responsibility to place the student in the correct arena? If the parents are not advised about such then they cannot understand needs, or as in your latter case offered there are of course ways to overcome such, such as backhanders to promote their child to the next level - that may be a policy needing governmental 'assistance' in changes to what is current policy.

How can one blame parents who have been through the exact same process? It is all they know also.

Do you truly believe youngsters know all about what they are getting or paying for, when inculcated by useless systems (that includes their parents)?

The perp on the right is wearing a 'police' t-shirt...how appropriate.

Nothing there new Klaus. How many cars do you see with big 'police' stickers and bullet holes in them?

Do away with all school uniforms and jackets and let the students wear normal clothes - or - adopt one uniform for all tech schools.

That way, no one knows who goes to what school by the clothes they wear.

I know there are still backpacks and other accessories students can be identified by, the the clothing is the main item. Eliminate that and you eliminate a major percentage of the killings.

That is actually a very good philosophy.