IslandLover

phuketandsee, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:27, said:phuketandsee, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:27, said:

Check out the BP report of the "surprise visit" the UK plods made to KT today. Looks like a lot more than just "observing" the RTP since the local and provincial RTP were not informed.

I expect this news will soon be all over the British press like a rash. At last, some movement in a positive direction. I find it very telling that this visit was kept a secret from the locals on Koh Tao and their assorted plod buddies. It also says they were totally excluded from any discussions - nice

MJP, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:58, said:

IslandLover, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:56, said:

As an earlier post of mine on this subject appears to have been removed by the mods, could someone please tell me how I can "block" a certain individual on this forum as his/her diatribes, put downs and personal attacks are beginning to annoy me? I am not very au fait with the technical aspects of this particular forum yet.

Thank you.

Top right where your screen name is on a drop down menu "Manage Ignore Prefs".

Thanks

Artisi, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:59, said:

IslandLover, on 25 Oct 2014 - 15:56, said:

As an earlier post of mine on this subject appears to have been removed by the mods, could someone please tell me how I can "block" a certain individual on this forum as his/her diatribes, put downs and personal attacks are beginning to annoy me? I am not very au fait with the technical aspects of this particular forum yet.

Thank you.

Think you might find a certain person has been excommunicated.

Not so far, it would seem. I was referring to a certain "JD". Oh, well, we shall see .....

As an earlier post of mine on this subject appears to have been removed by the mods, could someone please tell me how I can "block" a certain individual on this forum as his/her diatribes, put downs and personal attacks are beginning to annoy me? I am not very au fait with the technical aspects of this particular forum yet.

Thank you.

Jack Burton, on 25 Oct 2014 - 11:20, said:

I've heard the bent copper, Mon, the son, and one other are the ones who did it. This comes from someone on the island who says everyone knows this and it's common knowledge around all the bars and other businesses.

Bent copper? Do you mean "Big Ears" as in the photo of Noddy and Big Ears that SMcA posted on his facebook? I presume "one other" is Stingray man then? All speculation of course Nevertheless, my feminine intuition tells me there may be some truth in this.

mataleo, on 25 Oct 2014 - 09:17, said:

Burmese men accused of Koh Tao murders ‘confessed after death threats’

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/24/burmese-men-koh-tao-murders-confessed-death-threats-thai-police-torture-claims

Thanks for posting this. I saw the article yesterday and it makes unpleasant reading. Thankfully the Guardian newspaper is a well-respected source and not some sensationalist tabloid rag like some I could mention

jdinasia, on 25 Oct 2014 - 02:45, said:

Congrats!!

Your "sure" feeling regarding how I don't like the British very much calls everything else you feel into disrepute as well. Can't trust your judgement /feelings about undercurrents or anything else...

Sure? It was purely a turn of phrase on my part.

Your spelling and the use of certain "Americanisms" in your written English would indicate your nationality, but perhaps you are Canadian (perhaps you are from Quebec, they don't like the British) as another poster implied. The important thing here is that I'm very sure of my judgement/feelings and I trust them implicitly. I couldn't care less whether you trust them or not.

Heisenberg01, on 24 Oct 2014 - 21:09, said:Heisenberg01, on 24 Oct 2014 - 21:09, said:

This <deleted> forum is getting beyond a joke, every thread on the Koh Tao case being smothered by Jdasia and his detractors, well can you please take your dickswinging and <deleted> off to PM or start a dedicated thread, a lot of posters dont have hours to wade through the threads trying to find actual updates/new news.

Many thanks in advance of your cooperation.

You have made a valid point. I am using this forum to gain useful information (yes, there is plenty if you know where to look for it and evaluate it sensibly) but I am sick of scrolling through yards of verbal d... (you know what) from certain posters. These trolls and/or sock puppets thrive on confrontation. The best advice is not to feed them. Personally I enjoy a bit of troll-baiting every now and then, but I know it's not allowed here

thailandchilli, on 24 Oct 2014 - 16:09, said:thailandchilli, on 24 Oct 2014 - 16:09, said:

cmm, on 24 Oct 2014 - 16:06, said:cmm, on 24 Oct 2014 - 16:06, said:

I cannot post picture .

Who know this big guy with girl in picture .

Koh tao case

Where did you get this from, could be very significant

I've just realised the significance of the side-by-side CCTV images of the couple and the "running man". The photo of the couple was published in the U.K. press right at the beginning of the investigation in the mistaken belief that this could be David and Hannah, which of course it was not. The timestamp would indicate 3 seconds between the two images therefore "running man" would have to be very close to the couple. In discussions on the CCTV footage of "running man", it was claimed that there were other people in the footage, just (almost but not quite) out of shot and that one of them may have been a woman. I wonder if it is in fact this couple? If so, they need to be traced and questioned on what they may have seen.

Edit: I've removed the link to the CCTV images in case the moderators decide to remove all the replies to the original poster as well as that link, since it has already been removed once. N.B. Both of these CCTV images have been published by the mainstream media in many countries, i.e. legitimate news sources. I just hope that the timestamps haven't been doctored because if they are genuine, they are of real significance!

jomcondo, on 24 Oct 2014 - 05:54, said:

The British police have made their first arrest and it's johnthailand, he is facing 2 years imprisonment under new troll laws.

Apparently the suspect was arrested at his computer wearing only a pair of women's underwear.

That comment just made my day!

JohnThailandJohn, on 23 Oct 2014 - 07:00, said:

Please stop, you are clueless about such things. Please do a little research.

Why are all the devil's advocates, sorry trolls, in this forum called "John"?

SteveFong, on 23 Oct 2014 - 05:18, said:

boomerangutang, on 23 Oct 2014 - 04:52, said:

thailandchilli, on 23 Oct 2014 - 04:15, said:

They've arrived! The British police came yesterday and are currently in Bangkok, including a forensic specialist, go get em lads

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-10-22/uk-officers-begin-thai-probe-of-backpacker-murders/

I have a feeling it will be Frustration City for the Brit specialists. Every meaningful thing they'd like to do will be thwarted by Thai controllers (Thais could even teach the N.Koreans a thing or two about official control). I hope I'm wrong. Let's see what ensues in the next week.

boomerang

I have only this to say

If they get the run around,

and this doesn't go according to a real investigative path,

the international hammering which has already started,

will turn into an even worse international outrage,

and it will no longer be CSI LA and few social media hounds,

it will be Scotland Yard, with real press conferences and then they can kiss their tourism business goodbye for good and the Thai PM will not be welcome anywhere

I think the inquest into the deaths of Hannah and David, when it starts, is going to be very interesting.

SteveFong, on 22 Oct 2014 - 18:40, said:

Oziex1, on 22 Oct 2014 - 07:34, said:

templedog, on 22 Oct 2014 - 05:15, said:

Yeah, I agree with the posts above that Nom Sod doesn't look like a killer, but he very well could have been involved, hence the rush off the island. I figure it was Nom Sod and the other two in that photo that Sean took, the AC Bar mngr and the cop....they would have to stay on the island, but Nom Sod is better off skedaddling to BKK. It adds up.

Did you guys see the photo of the kid who detonated bombs at the Boston Marathon a few years back, did he look like a killer?

What does a killer look like?

That was an FBI job, and the kids were patsy's

Everyone in the US knows that was a drill, and people, were killed so an immediate bill would be passed further restricting the rights of Americans.

those kids were set ups, same as Ramsey Youseff in the 1993 WTC bombings,

he was recruited by the FBI, and he was smart enough to carry a hidden microphone

he was told it was going to be a fake bomb, it the beginning, and then, they switched it to a real bomb and he caught them on tape.

the US is not what it seems

Now I know you're a conspiracy theorist

Pattaya46, on 22 Oct 2014 - 08:36, said:

Correct. They were apparently cleared the first time...this alone will get them off.

Where did you see they were cleared? From Police reports I remember, the 2 suspects were part of a group of *hundreds* workers who got a DNA sample collected... but Police also said the DNA tests were made only for a few tens of people who were suspected at this time. The 2 final suspects were not in the short list, as their employer "forgot" to put them on his employees list...

Sounds like their "employer" was already setting them up to be scapegoats.

spud1, on 21 Oct 2014 - 21:00, said:

MJP, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:49, said:

joedot, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:45, said:

What's so great about Thailand? Can someone tell me what the allure is for millions of people aside from sex mongerers and young backpackers looking to go to a full moon party or yolo?

Holidays, for normal people.

Affordable place to retire.

Sometimes the weather.

So can you give me a list of the negatives?.Maybe you don't have the time.

I think Jeodot already stated the negatives, i.e. "sex mongerers" (whatever that means), young backpackers and full moon parties!

spud1, on 21 Oct 2014 - 21:00, said:

MJP, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:49, said:

joedot, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:45, said:

What's so great about Thailand? Can someone tell me what the allure is for millions of people aside from sex mongerers and young backpackers looking to go to a full moon party or yolo?

Holidays, for normal people.

Affordable place to retire.

Sometimes the weather.

So can you give me a list of the negatives?.Maybe you don't have the time.

I think Joedot already stated them

joedot, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:45, said:joedot, on 21 Oct 2014 - 20:45, said:

What's so great about Thailand? Can someone tell me what the allure is for millions of people aside from sex mongerers and young backpackers looking to go to a full moon party or yolo?

For a holiday I imagine!

Temples, architecture, beaches, natural beauty, wildlife, the weather (in the dry season), good shopping and the food. Those are the reasons I have spent many holidays in Thailand and I'm sure I'm not in a minority. But after the murders on Koh Tao and what I've learned in this forum, I'm not sure I want to come back.

Gweiloman, on 21 Oct 2014 - 19:14, said:Gweiloman, on 21 Oct 2014 - 19:14, said:Gweiloman, on 21 Oct 2014 - 19:14, said:

Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:

When was Sean threatened...the day after the crime or early that morning of the crime. I don't recall.

IslandLover, on 21 Oct 2014 - 16:58, said:IslandLover, on 21 Oct 2014 - 16:58, said:IslandLover, on 21 Oct 2014 - 16:58, said:IslandLover, on 21 Oct 2014 - 16:58, said:IslandLover, on 21 Oct 2014 - 16:58, said:

It was several days after the murders but I don't recall the exact date. However, it was later claimed by workers at the AC bar that Sean was seen on the night of the murders covered in blood and that somebody from the bar helped him clean up. Sean denies this and also claims that the wounds to his arm and leg that were seen press photos when he left the island were caused by a motorbike accident several days before the murders. Personally I think Sean is being evasive and knows more than he is admitting. For example, when asked directly by CSI LA if he knew whether Nomsod was on the island the weekend of the murders, he replied "I don't know". The Soundcloud account where he protests his innocence has now been deleted. How convenient "Methinks he doth protest too much"!

According to some posts on CSI LA, Sean apparently said that the Burmese were going to be set up as scapegoats. At the same time, he also apparently said that he doesn't know anything more.

One possible way of looking at this is that if he does know who the perpetrators are and did not report that to the police (either the RTP or to the British cops), he could be looking at a charge of accessory to rape / murder. If so, then his only option now is to declare no knowledge of anything that happened that night (morning).

Actually he inferred he "expected the Burmese migrant workers would be set up as scapegoats" (a somewhat obvious observation given the way things have panned out). He also said "check who didn't turn up for work the day after the murders" (again a somewhat obvious observation IMO). Sean also claims that he has (recently, since he fled Koh Tao to a destination unknown - probably Italy?) given an interview to the "Sunday Mail" (I presume he means the Mail on Sunday) about the case. So far, that article has not appeared. I don't know what to believe of Sean but I suspect he knows more than he is telling. I hope the U.K. police are watching him because I think your observation about him being considered an accessory to the crime is probably correct.

Tazwa, on 21 Oct 2014 - 11:27, said:

littlebw, on 21 Oct 2014 - 09:26, said:

with regards to the above i always thought it was odd how Hannah was laid dead how she was ( legs apart an knees up ) looking like she was raped when she was dead .

Also how the condom had no dna on the inside, bastards shoved it up hannah then planted it

Face was bashed with the hoe after hannahs body was planted

Makes more sense that her body was put like that after she had been raped and killed?

THESE <deleted> ANIMALS NEED TO BE GIVEN THE DEATH PENALTY !

Littlebw, I came onto Thai Visa to write exactly what you had written after reading the post 5 minutes ago on CSI LA - you beat me to it!

Hannah's legs appeared to be positioned in a sexual pose (missionary, to be blunt). This is why, in the early days of the case, some of us believed that she had been killed first and then sexually assaulted. We had quite a conversation going between TV members as to how 2 people could possibly have the urge to have sex with a brutally disfigured dead person.

If she was sexually assaulted first and then killed, surely her body would have been in a more defensive position. If you were alive and somebody was attacking you with a hoe, would you still lay there in the position that Hannah was found in? I think the foetal position is more likely - roll into a ball and cover your head or try and defend yourself. Anyone disagree?

I have at least one doubt regarding this conspiracy theory though- I thought Hannah's friends said their was no argument or altercation between her and the locals in the bar that night. That conflicts majorly with this theory - in fact it pretty much removes the whole motive behind the murder.

Anyway, just my thoughts for now. Interested to hear sensible ideas from other members.

I have thought all along that Hannah's body was deliberately (and grotesquely) posed and what were the reasons for that? And, who put that green towel over her face, and when? However, I have difficulty in believing that the murders occurred at their accommodation. Too many witnessses, too much potential noise, apart from which both David and Hannah were sharing rooms with their travelling companions. If the murders had occurred there, I doubt their travelling companions would/could have kept silent.

DJVillain, on 21 Oct 2014 - 09:54, said:

And as far as the powers at be are concerned, a farang doesn't have a face and if it did, it would never be worth saving over that of a Thai...

How true, considering what the murders did to poor Hannah's face

culicine, on 21 Oct 2014 - 08:12, said:culicine, on 21 Oct 2014 - 08:12, said:culicine, on 21 Oct 2014 - 08:12, said:culicine, on 21 Oct 2014 - 08:12, said:

hobz, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:58, said:hobz, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:58, said:hobz, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:58, said:hobz, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:58, said:

Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:

Add to that Nomsods father was allowed onto the crime scene. One has to question why he would be there and what was he doing. Very strange. Does he often help the police on crime scenes or only when his son is involved..

Actually, I don't think that was Nom Sods father, but a member of the local mafia. .. either way, your point is valid... The guy allowed on the crime scene was the one Sean McAnna photographed and claimed that he was threatened by........ PROBABLY involved in the murder or atleast the cover up.

When was Sean threatened...the day after the crime or early that morning of the crime. I don't recall.

It was several days after the murders but I don't recall the exact date. However, it was later claimed by workers at the AC bar that Sean was seen on the night of the murders covered in blood and that somebody from the bar helped him clean up. Sean denies this and also claims that the wounds to his arm and leg that were seen press photos when he left the island were caused by a motorbike accident several days before the murders. Personally I think Sean is being evasive and knows more than he is admitting. For example, when asked directly by CSI LA if he knew whether Nomsod was on the island the weekend of the murders, he replied "I don't know". The Soundcloud account where he protests his innocence has now been deleted. How convenient "Methinks he doth protest too much"!

hobz, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:58, said:

Johnsen, on 21 Oct 2014 - 02:53, said:

Add to that Nomsods father was allowed onto the crime scene. One has to question why he would be there and what was he doing. Very strange. Does he often help the police on crime scenes or only when his son is involved..

Actually, I don't think that was Nom Sods father, but a member of the local mafia. .. either way, your point is valid... The guy allowed on the crime scene was the one Sean McAnna photographed and claimed that he was threatened by........ PROBABLY involved in the murder or atleast the cover up.

That would be Nomsod's uncle (his father's brother) Mon who was pictured with the police at the crime scene. Mon was later pulled in for questioning and then let go by the RTP, as was Nomsod's father (the village headman, or ex-headman depending on which report you read). Mon was photographed by Sean after allegedly threatening him. All of them have connections to the AC bar where the victims were last seen alive.

hardyh, on 20 Oct 2014 - 09:14, said:

JohnThailandJohn, on 20 Oct 2014 - 08:29, said:

I could care less who checks or rechecks evidence but you have to be realistic and see the bigger political picture.

So you do care? Or do you mean couldn't (could not)?....

JTJ is either an American or learned his English in the U.S. "I could care less" is a dead giveaway