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This is a very interesting case indeed. Usually a Court is asked to apply the existing law to a situation and pronounce what is right and what is wrong. Some countries allow its courts to rule about the constitutionality of laws and regulations based on the constitution. But can a court rule that a constitution is not applicable? Based on what? The previous constitution?
And was the previous constitution a valid base or does it also have some flaws?
Finally on what law should a court base its findings in such a case?
I really don't know and I am not aware of any precedents.
Let's see if the Court will dismiss the case on some formalities or if it will give a decision on the substance.
My bets are on some formalities.
It seems that in most civilised countries, the guilt or innocence of an alleged criminal is determined on the law applying at the time of the offence. Retro-active changes to the law are considered wrong and that's what happened in this case.
Treason or salvation depends upon the law at the time of the action. Therefore, it is clear that Prayuth and his friends committed treason. Though I seriously doubt any Thai court would convict or even hear the case. The law in Thailand is, by popular consent, and from my personal experience, generally not applied without fear or favour. This is one of the major criteria for declaring any nation a failed state.
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Bloomberg report blames the coup for Thailand's economic woes. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-07-29/post-coup-thailand-sees-economic-slump-putting-pressure-on-junta
Not an expert but that seems more likely than drought / global slowdown / Thaksin / Yingluck / black magic and whatever else they come up with to try and persuade the plebs that they're competent at running the country *and* digging latrines.
Colour me a sceptic.
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Blatant propaganda. I expected better from a Nation Editorial
I didn't really as it's a right-wing rag.If you've never done business with the Nation, nor met Yoon, nor read anything that Thanong or Tulsathit have written, then you've missed a mind-expanding experience.
Brings a whole new meaning to the word 'weird'.
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I was at Bumrungrad hospital last month---where a friend was having (a successful) triple heart bypass surgery --the nurse told me that it was one of 9 major surgery's that day including a brain tumour removal from someone whom they had flown in from Saudi Arabia for it.
Of course its a well known fact in every farang bar that no Thai person can tie up his own shoelaces unaided---they just don't have the intelligence to light up a 12 amp bulb. Let alone do anything on the level of any of the retired bar fly farangs that grace us with their presence here after retiring.
So the comments about how stupid they are, (from that section) is expected---I just surprised the Editor also brought into the stereotyping with a headline like that. Its a discussion they are having--no one needs to fear an open discussion on options.
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*btw--- no I am not a fan of the nuclear option--- Japan is without doubt one of the most hi Thec & safety concious countries in the world
Hmmm. You aren't really doing your case for supporting the level of Thai education and competence any favours if you don't know the difference between an amp and a volt. Apart from that, your rant was... interesting .
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Lets try wind powered turbines first, take baby steps.
It is amazing how far behind almost (almost) everyone in this alleged discussion is.
Wind powered turbines have been producing electricity into the national grid for years. Chatuchak's functioning, accident-free nuke reactor effectively powers most of the x-ray machines in this and neighbouring countries. Bangkok's nuke plant ALSO produces the isotopes for probably the most modern and efficient food irradiation plant in Asia, which is why so much Thai food is certified for export.
And yes to some ignoramus up there ^^ rice is irradiated and is, indeed "nuked" before it leaves for most markets, including the US. The government doesn't deny it - the government brags about subjecting rice to radiation, along with tonnes of fresh fruit and vegetables. It's almost impossible that you haven't eaten some of that fine radiation yourself since so much of it gets on the local market, by design.
With current knowledge and possible public/private spending, enough electricity to meet demand will not, CAN not be produced from the standard, unimaginative methods so tiringly brought up over and over - wind, solar, waves.... It can NOT meet demand for generations, and that's if there are technological inventions and development we currently know nothing about. We may be able to adapt, but not (say) in 20 years.
In that 20 years, nuclear COULD be set up to be sustainable for many, many further generations. I doubt strongly it will be, but the thing is I *know* wind/solar/wave won't be. And I know you're as eager to charge your phone from a plug-in charger as I am, and as eager to watch a ball game on your electric TV set as I am and as joyful to log on to Thai Visa on your new-fangled electric computer as I am.
That's why the marvelous, developed carbon plants will be used into the foreseeable future. They are all that actually work, now or in the near (50-year) future, except for nuclear which most people view as most people here view - with a combination of ignorance and uninformed opposition - which will drive actual events anyhow. I've got well past hating nuclear ignorance, it's just a fact and it will drive government policy for now, for which I'll shrug and breathe that lovely coastal coal-flecked air from the power plant along with y'all.
Tell me more about the BKK reactor powering X-Ray machines in TL and neighbouring countries . Because I don't believe you.
Tell me more about the irradiation plants; do they use Cobalt or Caesium isotopes? Or something else? Because I don't believe you again. In any event, do you really not see a difference between the risks present in producing radiation sources for food plants and uranium based power-stations? Really?
Does Chernobyl not ring a bell somewhere in your mind? Fukushima? Three-mile island?
The point is that the education system in Thailand produces neither well-educated people nor competent people. This is indisputable. And yet you seem to be saying that they're OK with X-Ray machines so that's good enough. You cannot be serious.
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I doubt Thailand will ever build a nuclear power station. A while back they said they would build their own rockets to explore space, then they said thay had found a cure for Ebola (and iirc, HIV. The major Thai export is BS.
I don't much care but I would really like to know ahead of time so I can be sure to stay far away. They can't even build good roads and their bridges show an alarming propensity for falling down, as do their military aircraft.
Still, even saying they're considering nuclear power has some bragging rights so 50% of the Thai agenda is satisfied right there.
Might be a useful solution to the violence in the south though. Nothing else they do seems to work so it's worth a try.
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It's nothing to do with face, Thailand baht is a complete minnow in comparison with the USD. The world has been awash with cheap USD since quantitative easing started.
Everything in Thailand has something to do with face my friend and to say that face has nothing to do with FX manipulation frankly doesn't speak of a good knowledge of Thai psychology.
But in the end, its a matter of opinion. I say I believe Thailand has been manipulating the value of the Thai baht, possibly not to very much real effect. You say it hasn't. Prasarn says it has, you say it hasn't. I say face is always a concern for Thais, you say it hasn't in this arena. Our opinions differ.
To be frank. apart from making the observation, I have no dog in the race, I don't actually care very much, though I would like the Thai self-esteem take a serious kicking. What seems clear is that the Thai economy is tanking and long may that continue.
Time will tell.
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Problem is when the police are being run by thaksin lovers they simply refuse to uphold the law, thats why the army took over, so that law and order was restored.
OK. So the police were breaking the law by not enforcing the law, so the army had to step in, commit treason, commit a coup d'etat and declare themselves above the law. Did I get that right? And that's a step forward in your world is it?
Interesting...
blaming the police on this one is nonsense. The police did what they could within the limits imposed on them by the courts. Some of them even got killed in the process.
The plot was given away (as usual) by Suthep with his call for the military to step in ... That was in December 2013...
This group, Resistant Citizen, is doing what needs to be done...
Every one realises elections were a no go at that time. We all (apart from a few anti army posters) that anyone getting out the PTP government was going to be a god send.
No matter who did it initially is irrelevant ----it was a Thai rescue---for 35% of voters it was not. FACT.move forward even if you dislike.
So 65% of all voting Thais support the latest coup-d'etat?
Supporting evidence?
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Problem is when the police are being run by thaksin lovers they simply refuse to uphold the law, thats why the army took over, so that law and order was restored.
OK. So the police were breaking the law by not enforcing the law, so the army had to step in, commit treason, commit a coup d'etat and declare themselves above the law. Did I get that right? And that's a step forward in your world is it?
Interesting...
blaming the police on this one is nonsense. The police did what they could within the limits imposed on them by the courts. Some of them even got killed in the process.
The plot was given away (as usual) by Suthep with his call for the military to step in ... That was in December 2013...
This group, Resistant Citizen, is doing what needs to be done...
Fully agree. What is the penalty for treason committed while a serving army officer in civilised countries?
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Problem is when the police are being run by thaksin lovers they simply refuse to uphold the law, thats why the army took over, so that law and order was restored.
OK. So the police were breaking the law by not enforcing the law, so the army had to step in, commit treason, commit a coup d'etat and declare themselves above the law. Did I get that right? And that's a step forward in your world is it?
Interesting...
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Charlie,
what garbage ! seems that some are just not happy with someone of authority running the country ...
ok, lets go back to the street protests and the shootings like before ! .....
So would you be happy to have the military illegally take control of your country?
I'm Australian,
Youtube 'Tony Abbott' gaffs and you'll find 2 previous prime ministers laughing at the idea he could be a PM. And 1 stating that "anyone who votes for Tony Abbott, gets what they deserve."
In short yes I would like to see the Australian army commander take over from Tony.
In this instance its nice to see the anti coup litigants turn up to court suitably dressed to impress, in the track suit pants with the dodgy English slogan T-shirt.
Sloppy articles
(t-shirt not litigants)
go and have another beer or three and turn on the telly
One of the downsides of smartphone apps is that they allow people to post without leaving their barstools!
Distinct advantage for the cheap beer and pussy brigade.
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All those observationas coincide pretty much exactly with my own. Well said.
Thais do talk a good game though... when they think they understand the game that is, and until they get caught out. Must be a few points for that...
I think the root of the problem is that Prayuth thought people who wanted preference and promotion and who flattered him were being sincere and were well-placed to judge. He seems to have believed it when they said he was supremely talented and could do anything he set his mind to.
And what Thailand is now experiencing is what happens when a fool believes the flattery of bigger fools who want something from him. The legend of King Canute was much the same thing but (I believe) that worthy King also believed the flatterers and re-wrote history when he ended up looking foolsh.
Oh. Much like Prayuth is doing now.
So the wise old ruler was actually an egotistic idiot, with a good PR team. Any thoughts on how "the world's smartest businessman" will spin the rice scam?
I don't normally feed trolls, but it does seem like you don't really understand history. Especially British history but I don't think many Aussies know a lot about British history so don't feel bad, hatred of Britain is a common hangup among our antipodean friends (that means 'on the other side of the world', sorry - it was a long word).
I really cant comment on your next paragraph, I insist on at least a little rationality sense among people I exchange view with and I'm afraid you don't qualify, mot this time anyway.
Let me buy you a beer... least I can do.
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Broke through the 35 threshold and seems to be moving a fast pace again.
Seems reasonable to think that, as we speak, the BOT will be desperately spending foreign reserves to keep the baht up. or at least around the 35.0 mark. It's a face thing and it's a bigger face thing than being able to brag about what the foreign reserves are.
When (if?) the traders start to short the baht, BOT will have no choice but to abandon the effort and accept the loss of face. Not enough muscle, not enough street cred.
If that does happen, then we'll see a whole different kind of fast.
Deja-vu anyone?
Over the years they haven't been buying baht at all to keep it strong. Just look at their forex standings. The USA has had low rates for the last 6 years and money has been jumping into Asia. Now it will jump back as rates in the USA will rise.
Well I guess you missed it but the conversation so far has been about what is happening now, not what may have happened not 6 years ago and in another country. The BOT has been trying to manipulate the Baht for a long time. Maybe you should read what Prasarn has said about it from time to time.
But hey, opinions are like bums, everyone's got one even - though some are more substantial than others.
May I suggest you look at the charts? Notice anything?
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Broke through the 35 threshold and seems to be moving a fast pace again.
Seems reasonable to think that, as we speak, the BOT will be desperately spending foreign reserves to keep the baht up. or at least around the 35.0 mark. It's a face thing and it's a bigger face thing than being able to brag about what the foreign reserves are.
When (if?) the traders start to short the baht, BOT will have no choice but to abandon the effort and accept the loss of face. Not enough muscle, not enough street cred.
If that does happen, then we'll see a whole different kind of fast.
Deja-vu anyone?
Nonsense that you think BOT manages their currency reserves on the basis of face. As stated previously BOT had not been buying THB in order to keep THB strong, they were doing the opposite in an attempt to weaken its value.
Even bigger nonsense you don't understand that THB is a restricted currency.
And whilst it is true that the value of foreign currency reserves has fallen over the past month, much of it results from the fall in the price of gold.
http://www2.bot.or.th/statistics/BOTWEBSTAT.aspx?reportID=94&language=ENG
Well, everyone's entitled to an opinion, and I accept that's yours. Maybe you're right, maybe you're just blowing smoke.
I suspect the latter but I guess we'll see no?
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Broke through the 35 threshold and seems to be moving a fast pace again.
Seems reasonable to think that, as we speak, the BOT will be desperately spending foreign reserves to keep the baht up. or at least around the 35.0 mark. It's a face thing and it's a bigger face thing than being able to brag about what the foreign reserves are.
When (if?) the traders start to short the baht, BOT will have no choice but to abandon the effort and accept the loss of face. Not enough muscle, not enough street cred.
If that does happen, then we'll see a whole different kind of fast.
Deja-vu anyone?
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Thailand is heading into problems. It has only one bright light which will be with the rapid weakening of the Thai baht over the next several years as interest rates rise in the Western 'safer' economies result in repatriation of foreign currency which will greatly help exporters.
Unless there is a change in mindset Thailand is not going to attract huge swathes of foreign investment other than the infrastructure schemes already in the pipeline and similar new schemes. In the private sector Thailand is a terrible place to invest with anti-foreign laws and general sentiment, forced Thai majority control of businesses and a legal system that prevents safe business through a corrupt and xenophobic police force, lawyers who compete on how many and how much they have scammed foreigners by their tactics of intentionally misfiled claims, intentional lapses of memory to file applications and appeals and abuse gf the language barrier. In a system of law that is infantile in compilation, retarded in the process of continued amendment rigid to timetable that lawyers can use to cheat and inflexible to administrative errors. Couple that with many ill educated and inevitably some racist and corrupt judges and business has no foundation of law to do business.
Thailand does not have a foundation of well educated workforce nor one will much in the way of advanced skillsets so the workforce is becoming uncompetitive with the new minimum wage compared to like skilled workforces. With little to tempt foreign investment and a rather poor base of local competitive businesses it is hard to see how Thailand will manage. Perhaps the egocentric, xenophobic attitudes will gradually temper when the economic screws start to tighten and any hardships will be largely self created.
All those observationas coincide pretty much exactly with my own. Well said.
Thais do talk a good game though... when they think they understand the game that is, and until they get caught out. Must be a few points for that...
I think the root of the problem is that Prayuth thought people who wanted preference and promotion and who flattered him were being sincere and were well-placed to judge. He seems to have believed it when they said he was supremely talented and could do anything he set his mind to.
And what Thailand is now experiencing is what happens when a fool believes the flattery of bigger fools who want something from him. The legend of King Canute was much the same thing but (I believe) that worthy King also believed the flatterers and re-wrote history when he ended up looking foolsh.
Oh. Much like Prayuth is doing now.
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Thailand has pretty much ignored the African market for years, for reasons everyone here will know about. Now they're all of a clamour to move in there.
Sounds like they are pretty sure what the EU are going to do in a few months.
Judging from a statement from the Ministry of Commerce today (that USA will probably not impose sanctions), it also sounds like they pretty much know what the USA are going to do so they're desparately searching for new markets.
The numbers in the TIP report show conclusively how committed Thailand is to adhering to the 'minimum international standards', and Thailand trying to move into Africa shows they are aware of the odium they are held in internationally. Moving into a market hitherto shunned by Thailand must have been a really big (and hard) decision.
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I don't care what the U.S. government has to say about anything either.
That's smart - they are only either #1 or #2 in the global economy, a massive trading partner for Thailand, the world's biggest military (who supplies 90% of the Thai military's hardware) and the most powerful country in the world politically - whether you agree with them or not.
Why would you care??
You're missing my point completely. The post above mine said, "Summary: I don't care...I'm Thai.". I am merely stating that not caring about what the US government has to say about anything is not the preserve of the Thai people. There are literally billions of people all around the world who couldn't give a toss what the overinflated egos in Washington have to say on the topic of the day. The USA's position in the global economy is supported by countries such as China who hold a huge amount of US treasuries, thereby funding the overspending of Americans and their government. America might want to start thinking about what those it borrows money from to stay afloat think of its self righteous pronouncements before they find out the hard way.
But you still want them to buy your shrimp... right? You don't feel strongly enough about USA and EU to say you don't want their business any more...?
Try it, see how it works out for you. Money where mouth is...
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This is the backpacker time of year, and there are still a lot of empty guesthouses in the north. Where are all these tourists hiding?
Thailand has yet to discover that people outside of Thailand do not consider Thailand to be as 'special' as many of the native population do.
Most tourists arguably select a tourism destination where they feel safe, have good weather (and preferably scenery). won't get ripped off or killed and where the government is not soldiers. Otherwisde, surely North Korea would be a much sought-after destination...
Thais believe they are special but the rest of the world doen't seem to give a hoot what Thais think, and Thais badly need to wake up to this reality, as someone in here said already "Dogs do not bark at aeroplanes". That's a nice comment, I'll try to remember that.
I've just finished watching a recorded Thai TV program in which some clown said that Thailand should not sell their producta to USA or Europe becauase 'ThaIand does not need USA and Europe as much as USA and Europe need Thailand'. I kid you not, he actually said that.
Sounds like a really good idea to me. Tell USA and Europe that Thailand does not wish to do business with you any more.
See what happens.
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At last, a Thai with a brain and a sense of principle.
Who'd have thought it?
Well done lass, if all Thais were like you, Thailand would not now be quite so deep in the excrement and sinking, because whatever the drones say, that's where it is and that's what it's doing.
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The first of many to come I fear.
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"Start handing out 30 year prison sentences and see what happens to corruption after that."
Fully agree in principle, but it wouldn't work in practice because the courts, the NGO's and others who would make decisions are just as corrupt or more so and will not apply the law evenly and without fear or favour - such concepts are only for the stupid foreigners which Thailand has no time for. The only people that will face prosecution are those with red shirts. The coup had nothing to do with corruption or conflict or anything else lofty in principle. Prayuth was hired by Prem to get rid of another democratically elected government by undemocratic means to make sure that the hegemony of the 100 families continues uninterrupted. And of course, Prem would not do any such conspiratorial thing without their permission and support.
Everyone has and is entitled to their opinion, but my view is that this approaches irrefutable fact, and that anyone who disagrees just hasn't been paying attention or cannot add 2 and 2 together. Nothing is random, everything has a causation, and in Thailand, the assumption should be that the causation is neither particularly subtle, nor particularly complex nor particularly smart. Most of the politics is crude, unintelligent and based entirely on self-enrichment. And there are solid historical and cultural reasons why this should be so.
I didn't really as it's a right-wing rag.
Public acceptance in nuclear power is key to building such plants in Thailand
in Thailand News
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If ytou're going to engage in ad-hominems lad, try to be more articulate.