Autonuaq

VISA valid until end date.

Extension valid until work stops.

Read the text with the visa.

If connected to the company it ends the day you stop working with them

you can extend at the immigration office for 7 days.

visa is bound to the employer in general.

So in general not employer, no visa the visa has been terminated.

because that was the condition of which the visa was applied to you.

The small print next to your Visa stamped and / or in hand written in general in Thai is the condition that applies to the Visa

All straight forward.

It would be a non-o visa based upon being the parent of a Thai. There is no child support visa.

See this topic for info on legitimizing your parenthood. How To Gain Parental Rights As A Father It normally takes about 2 months to get it done.

You can get a single entry non-o visa in Vientiane or Savannakhet with just your name on the birth certificate. You can also apply for a 60 day extension to visit your child at an immigration office.

Immigration was referring to what you would need to get a one year extension of stay based upon being the parent of a Thai. You would also need 400k baht in Thai bank or proof of 40k baht income.

Even after legitimizing your parenthood you would not be able to get a multiple entry non-o visa in Savannakhet unless your child and their mother was with you when you do the application to prove you are living together as a family (de facto marriage).

You can get a multiple entry non-o with just your name on the birth certificate in Penang if you can show at least 100k baht in the bank.

As with many other items there is a Visa for supporting support Thai National child.

A NON-O visa it is that has to be applied for.

If you have a Vaild visa then you need to convert this visa or cancel.

Canceling is the easiest by going out of Thailand to an embassy abroad. and them come back.

To apply is easy.

get the DNA certificate from the Police Hospital in Bangkok.

Costs 5.000 bath per person

Father mother and child appear at the same time at the Forensic unit of the hospital. all takes about 1 hour.

after one or two months you get the documents send home

Prepare the other information and documentation needed for the NON-O immigrant Visa Application needed. Be aware you with this application are seen as family so you can apply with the prerequisites for family and that is currently the 40.000 income per month income or 400.000 on the bank for at least two months. Fo r the Bank statement you need to have a letter of the bank. Be Aware this letter of the bank has to be issued on the SAME day as you do your application

Have pictures of you and the child in different situations at home, around home as well family pictures. Also some picture you and the child and people around you. they sometime asks for them.

The Visa Taking Care of Thai Child has NOTHING to do with custody or other rights. Just allow you to stay in Thailand as long as you look after the child and support the child. See a recent NON-O Visa based on taking care of Child with Thai nationality enclosed.

.

the process is easy and straight forward. only prepair the documents needed and with the DNA report it is expected to go very smooth.

Good luck

Based in DNA reseach and the report one is able to apply to het the nationalist of the parents.

Police Hospital in Bangkok do the DNA test.

5000 Bath per person.

After one to two montjs report.

Go to lawyer spent some money and them to support your claim.

Prpbably a bit over done. Yoi necer know.

About 6 montjs tje yoi javecthe order to be registeren as decenemd of yoi father and have Thai citizinship.

All is straight forward.

Not forget to legalize your other nationality documents such as the foreign birth certificaten.

This worked with people I know

Good lick

{snipped earlier posts}

Hi Ubon Joe,

I see at the top of TM28, the heading is: “Form for aliens to notify their change of address or their stay in the province for over 24 hours”

I notice you said the only time TM28 is used is for a change of address. I note you said Immigration doesn't enforce the staying of more than 24 hours in another province. Is that because they assume the housemaster should be doing that with a TM30?

Couldn't TM28 be regarded as also just to notify someone has moved into an address though? Effectively the ferang reporting he's staying somewhere, instead of the housemaster using TM30 to do the same job?

I'm querying that, as when we went away from home for a couple of days, we stayed at a small hotel which didn't bother to check passport details for any registering.

In the past I didn't bother about registering when I moved into the house (apart from 90 day registration of course).

However, when we came back, I thought that as there's now so much Immigration interest in TM28/30, I registered myself using TM28.

The IO looked a little surprised that anyone would be volunteering any info (Udon Immigration), but accepted the TM28. She stapled the TM28 receipt into my passport, and also updated my 90 day registration to start again from that date.

There have been no reports of immigration wanting a TM28 other than for a change of address and immigration would not expect that unless you are staying here long term and doing 90 day reports. Some offices don't even request it or want it for doing a change of address.

The immigration act the way it is written creates a bit of duplicity between the the reporting requirements for sections 37 and 38. That is why immigration is only enforcing the TM30 reporting and some offices have gone overboard in their requirements by misinterpreting it.

I think it would be best if people would refer to the 90 day reporting as to what it is truly meant to be for which is for staying longer than 90 days in the country not a address report.

UJ, do you have a link to section 37 and 38 you referred to above?

I looked on the Immig website, but in the 'Acts' area it says that section is not available now. Do you have another link, or perhaps post the text maybe?

Thanks,

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf

copy form FAZ post which is the same answer as others tried to explain too in reference to this issue in this post.

There are two separate issues here.

Report by the alien of his address. (Section 37)

Report by the house master of an alien residing at an address. (Section 38)

An alien first reports his address on a TM6 when he enters the Country. That address will determine which Immigration office he may need to report at.

Only if the alien changes to a new permanent address should he need to complete a TM28 (change of address) to inform his existing or new Immigration office of his whereabouts so he can continue to do extensions, 90 day reports at the office responsible for that catchment area.

If you temporarily stay at a different location to your registered permanent address, the requirement is to report your presence to the local Police station in the Province where you temporarily stay (not Immigration).

2. Shall stay at the place as indicated to the competent official. Where there is proper reason that he cannot stay at the place as indicated to the competent official, he shall notify the competent official of the change in residence , within 24 hours from the time of removing to said place.

That's the general rule, but the differences are defined in the next two sections.

3. Shall notify the police official of the local police station where such alien resides, within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival. In the case of change in residence in which new residence is not located the same area with the former police stations , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within twenty – four hours from the time of arrival.

That's the procedure for a permanent change in residency. In this situation a TM30 should be completed but only needs to be submitted to Immigration at the end of your current 90 day stay. (Section 5 confirms that)

5. If the alien stays in the Kingdom longer than ninety days, such alien must notify the competent official at the Immigration Division , in writing , concerning his place of stay , as soon as possible upon expiration of ninety days. The alien is required to do so every ninety days. Where there is an Immigration Office , the alien may notify a competent Immigration Official of that office.

4. If the alien travels to any province and will stay there longer than twenty – four hours , such alien must notify the police official of the police station for that area within forty – eight hours from the time of arrival.

This is the requirement to temporarily stay in another Province.

There is clear distinction between change of residency (section 3) and temporary stay (section 4) in my opinion.

There is no requirement to report a change in address to Immigration (TM28) until your current 90 day permission expires (section 5)

Section 38. Report by the house master of an alien taking residence, is a different thing altogether.

The House master of any house, dwelling place, or hotel should report (TM30) an alien taking up residence to the local Immigration office within 24 hours of the time of arrival, or to the local Police station if there is no Immigration office in that Province.

So a TM30 should be completed by the House master every time an alien takes up a place of residency (temporarily or permanent) for more than 24 hours, but a TM28 by the alien only needs submitting when he changes and takes up a new permanent address.

{snipped earlier posts}

Hi Ubon Joe,

I see at the top of TM28, the heading is: “Form for aliens to notify their change of address or their stay in the province for over 24 hours”

I notice you said the only time TM28 is used is for a change of address. I note you said Immigration doesn't enforce the staying of more than 24 hours in another province. Is that because they assume the housemaster should be doing that with a TM30?

Couldn't TM28 be regarded as also just to notify someone has moved into an address though? Effectively the ferang reporting he's staying somewhere, instead of the housemaster using TM30 to do the same job?

I'm querying that, as when we went away from home for a couple of days, we stayed at a small hotel which didn't bother to check passport details for any registering.

In the past I didn't bother about registering when I moved into the house (apart from 90 day registration of course).

However, when we came back, I thought that as there's now so much Immigration interest in TM28/30, I registered myself using TM28.

The IO looked a little surprised that anyone would be volunteering any info (Udon Immigration), but accepted the TM28. She stapled the TM28 receipt into my passport, and also updated my 90 day registration to start again from that date.

There have been no reports of immigration wanting a TM28 other than for a change of address and immigration would not expect that unless you are staying here long term and doing 90 day reports. Some offices don't even request it or want it for doing a change of address.

The immigration act the way it is written creates a bit of duplicity between the the reporting requirements for sections 37 and 38. That is why immigration is only enforcing the TM30 reporting and some offices have gone overboard in their requirements by misinterpreting it.

I think it would be best if people would refer to the 90 day reporting as to what it is truly meant to be for which is for staying longer than 90 days in the country not a address report.

UJ, do you have a link to section 37 and 38 you referred to above?

I looked on the Immig website, but in the 'Acts' area it says that section is not available now. Do you have another link, or perhaps post the text maybe?

Thanks,

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/doc/Immigration_Act.pdf

Please be aware that The Thai version of all document in this country is the only valid document and prevailed above the English version.

The translation into English do not provide any rights..

Beside that the Thai law is clear about when and what to do.

Workable for us or not it is the law and regulation one has to comply to in Thailand.

Till now I wonder if there is a representation on this forum that did address the issue to the immigration department and got a written statement for the immigration department that all can use as well can be referred to.

Think that is the only and best solution to find out how ans what. and have to things in right order about TM30, TM28, TM 47 and other things that this post has brought up.

How to do?

.

nothing new was done already in the past, now just do every time.

Not forget, we are the foreigners......

The best approach is just have a look at the definitions in the beginning section. then read section 38.

The text on the form provided is clear on

Tm 30 and tm 28 and what it purpose is.

Keep in mind that the asnwers, advises and suggestions on this forum are interpretation by others who do have nothing to do with the country or do have the authority to say what is correct.

Based on the stoies the use of the forms is needed as describt.

The sugeestion I can nake is go to the immigration and get a letter signed by the authorities that explains how to do and what us the right way.

I am unware of thee is a reprenetatuon for cases like this and how to contact.

I need to get a residence certificate ( to renew drivers license). I am currently just house sitting a house ie not on the lease . What can get or need to get the residency certificate?

Thanks

As far I can recall you got your current driver's license also with proof of residence. So the question is how did you got the drivers license in the first place?

in that answer is also the solution to your question.

proof of residence you get easy

go to the immigration office and they will provide you the proof pf address.

if you are registered that of course with them (TM28) you will have hte lower part of the TM28 stapled in your passport when you did do the report of address.

if not dod the address registration do it. and you will get the proof as well from the officer.

Otherwise you can ask your partner to guarantee for you. Your partner will know a few people who will go with you as well the village head. Then you get a letter at the Ampur. that letter you can need for the extension of the driver's license.

success

If you rent the house from a Thai who lives outside of Thailand what do you have to do then ?

Im now just a renter.

A few weeks ago when all this TM-30 stuff started, my wife and I set up a meeting on behalf of an American organization I belong to. We went to the Promenada Immigration office and had a sit down hour long talk with the person in charge and some of the staff. We asked every question we could think of so I would have all the answers for the people of my organization.

Here are some of the answers we got:

1. The TM-30 is a form for the person who owns the property you are staying at to fill out and send in within 24 hours of your arrival at that property. (The TM-30 is not a form for the foreign person to fill out and it is not that person who is fined if the form is not turned in, it is the property owner or person designated by them who is fined).

2. If you rent from a Thai who lives overseas, that person needs to have a limited power of attorney drawn up giving someone in Thailand the authority to file a TM-30 on their behalf.

3. As stated before, having a yellow book means nothing in regards to the TM-30. The TM-30 is used to track the movements of foreign people within Thailand.

4. If you are living here on any long term visa (marriage, retirement, work and so on) and have a full time residence, a TM-30 needs to be filed within 24 hours of your arrival but if you travel within Thailand on short trips for weekends and such it does not need to be refiled. However, anytime you leave and return to the Kingdom a new TM-30 needs to be sent in within 24 hours of your arrival at your residence. In cases where you do not go directly to your residence and spend a few nights in hotels elsewhere in Thailand a TM-30 does not need to be done until you arrive at your home). However, hotels you stay at they must report you but as stated before, it is their responsibility to do not yours.

5. Different Immigration offices interpret the law in differing ways, so for now I can only say the above information may only apply to Chiang Mai Immigration at the Promenada. For example; Chiang Mai Immigration located near the Airport will fine the property owner if they are late in filing a TM-30 but Immigration at the Promenada (so far) has not been fining property owners under most circumstances.

In the story they told they also added the TM28 to the story in other cases too of who to use the froms and to report

the tile of the document TM 28 (see also enclosed)

FORM FOR ALIENS TO NOTIFY THEIR CHANGE OF ADDRESS

OR THEIR STAY IN THE PROVINCE FOR OVER 24 HOURS

You have to do it within the time state. TM47 (90 Day report) is separate.

TM28 and TM 30 enclosed

tm28.doc

tm47.doc

have a look at TM28 and TM30

you see there is nothing new.

tm30 - alian stay by business

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=alienstay

TM28 - report done by Alian Schange or stay or over 24 hrs in new Province

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/download/tm28.doc

this and other document you can find:

http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/en/base.php?page=download

tm28.doc

think I depends on where you live.

most building have walls like paper.

move out and get an other place or visit china a few weeks and then you know how relaxed it is in Thailand again.

thai /asean do have a lot of noise around them.

so If you have a problem think you have to move to a place where it suites you and those place are everywhere,

Success.

Just found out there is a form called TM 28. I personally filled out a TM 28 and went to the Royal Thai Police to file it. They processed it and then tore off the bottom part and stapled this into my Passport.

I am sure most Expats don't know about this law. As was explained to me It seem to be needed every time when one stays longer the 24 hrs in an non commercial place like the place of friends or other province and so on.

Beside that when you change your address then you need to notify Thai Immigration that you have moved from where you used to live. This form is for changing your address. Note that it is a criminal offense not to notify immigration of your latest address even before your 90 day reporting

as well there is also a fine on it too.

The link to the document:

http://www.imm.police.go.th/nov2004/download/tm28.doc

Personally I do think this is not a question of to be ask in this forum.

Many people here have the 'Wisdom'. they are not the people who work for the government on your judgement day.

Immigration is the only who can answer your question and provide advise in how to handle or arragne things.

Immigration is willing to help you out too.

Personally do have very good experiences without problem and the correct answers.

Planning up front before you travel and check before one go.

Gold rule of the frequent travel.

.

https://extranet.immigration.go.th/fn90online/online/tm47/TM47Action.do

2000 bath is the start of the fine by reporting not on time

According to The Immigration Act,B.E.2522,the foreigner who has received a temporary stay permit and stayed in the Kingdom of Thailand over 90 days must notify his residence to immigration officer every 90 days. ......................
It is better to keep track of the rules of Thai Immigration at all times during your stay in the country, as failure to file your 90-day report can result in a fine of 2,000 THB, and can be increased up to 5,000 THB once you get arrested with an additional fine not exceeding 200 Baht for each day which passes until the law is complied with......................

As you know when leaving they will check the passport, visa and stamps. Change is "he" will be questioned when leaving. and have to pay the overstay fine and in this case probably unwanted for several years.

I am sure about this because this happened to me when at the check of leaving the country the officer did oversee one page and taught I was overstaying. this was 2 weeks ago.

the overseeing happens in my case due to the way the stamps are spread one to several pages in the passport and you have to go back and forward to add up the dates.

all turned out to be in order and the Immigration Office made a note in my passport that I can show next time to the Officer so they not miss the stamps and visa's and prevent problems.

forget to mention,

when you 'turn in yourselfs' to the immigration office before departure that you overstay is a better solution then they 'find out' at the check of the passport that you overstay.

'

As you know when leaving they will check the passport, visa and stamps. Change is "he" will be questioned when leaving. and have to pay the overstay fine and in this case probably unwanted for several years.

I am sure about this because this happened to me when at the check of leaving the country the officer did oversee one page and taught I was overstaying. this was 2 weeks ago.

the overseeing happens in my case due to the way the stamps are spread one to several pages in the passport and you have to go back and forward to add up the dates.

all turned out to be in order and the Immigration Office made a note in my passport that I can show next time to the Officer so they not miss the stamps and visa's and prevent problems.

your visa is linked to the work permit and employer.

so you cancel work, you also cancel your work permit too, you also cancel you non-o B visa too

visa and work permit are linked.

the day you cancel the work work, your b-visa is cancel too

you can apply for a 7 day extension on the day you cancel you work to arrange things and then have to leave the country.

depending on the Visa as well the (new) rules.

Easiest way is go abroad to an embassy and change the visa to the kind you need.

Embassy or consulate abroad will cancel the old visa if that is needed.

the money issue will then be at the next extension of the new visa you got form abroad.

800.000 or 400.000 or 40.000 depending on the visa and the personal situation.

if you have married in the Ampur then the marriage is a legal marriage that is recognized in most western countries.

you need to provide documents of your home country that you are able to and allowed to marry in Thailand before the marriage to the Thai authorities and these must be legalized. After the marriage you need the the Kor-Ror 2 and Kor-Ror 3 with translation to the multiplicity where you live in Europe also legalized.

Legalization of the documents needed is done by the Embassy end the ministry of Foreign affairs in Thailand before the marriage and after the marriage.

This is the way and do not forget register the choice of right when you register the document in Europe or outside Thailand which right you want to apply to the marriage

the actual registration of the marriage itself is also done in the country of residence in Europe. not at the embassy.

The country can refuse the marriage for several reasons. Reasons like it is presumable a fake marriage or criminal records or fraud or other reasons.

in general if all done by the book there is no problem

.

With a multiple entry non b visa can I do a border crossing in sadao, without having a work permit?

the question is

a

without work permit as not hat the document wtih you,

small problem because in most passport tyhe employer is stamped in to the Visa page as well somewhere in the back too.

b

without work permit as that the work permit is canceled, expired or terminated.

the work permit has a visa that is depending on the work permit.

no valid work permit also no valid VIsa that depend on this work permit

in case A nearly no problem but can loose some time and have a nice speech that you need to have the work permit with you all times depending on the mood you get a fine..

in case B.you can run into some big problem because you try to enter or use a Visa to stay that is not valid.

.

Recent case October 2015:

visa is granted based on marriage. The day that marriage is ended, the visa is terminated if it was a visa based on marriage with Thai.

(Look at the stamps in Thai for the type of NON Immigrant O Visa)

You can extend the SAME day the marriage ends and the Devorce is a fact to go to immigration and apply for a 7 day.

The costs are about 1900 THB. Then arrange all and do what is needed to get the right visa if you want to stay.

If children are involved and the you can try to change to take care of children with Thai nationality/

Or leave the country the same day, because I presume you have arranged all already and the easiest way is go to the Ampur. Also not forget to register the divorce in you own country too.

Point of attention and I am not sure about it but also understood after divorce there is a period of about 304 days that you have to wait before you are allowed to be married legally again by Thai law, I am not sure as told mentioned before but have heard this a few times.

depending on your situation

In general:

the embassy assigned to you the first step to make ik possible to be able to have a one year VIsa Non-O.

When entered you get a 3 month Visa. Then you have to arrange all in Thailand to make the conversion for the 1 year non Immigrant visa taking care for child with Thai nationality.

it is always possible if you meet the requirement to convert single entree to multiple entree and if that is possible cost are about 4.000 Baht this can be done at Immigration in Thailand

if you have DNA test result report made by example the Forensic department of the Police Hospital that proofs you are the father makes things easier.

cost are about 5.000 per person so in total 15.000 baht. results are in about 1 - 2 months.

the Non-O of Vientiane can be converted to a one Year. non Immigrant taking Care for child with Thai national

Just fill in the documents and go t the immigration office with what they needed to see.

Also make pictures and include them You and your child and all three together in a few different settings.

the DNA report is just extra supporting the application and lower t he eventual resistance.

It helps if your wife and child are there at the application at the immigration office in Thailand..

you need the paperwork done and meet the financial requirements.

The lease contract you can use to report your address in Thailand as you have to do by the Thai Law. of this registration you get a proof of report that has to be kept with your passport.

After having done the address report of the address then you you can use the registration at the Immigration as proof of the address in Thailand.

Doing things in the right order solves everything.

Success

You can not covert a single entry visa to a 1 year visa at immigration in Thailand, you can only get extension of stay if you have 400.000 in bank or 40.000 baht income.

All extensions costs 1.900 baht, nothing else.

Immigration will not consider a DNA test, they want to have a court order declaring who the legal father is.

convert is probably not the correct word extension is better word to use. Thank you for this.

The taking care of your Thai child does not tell anything about the Custody please do not confuse them.

For the proof of the 400.000 Baht on your bank account you need to have the statement made and signed by the Bank that is dated on the same day of the day you are going to the Immigration Office to do the Visa Application.

The DNA report of the Police Hospital Forensic Investigation Unit is an official investigation report the determines who the Father is of the child. This report is also needed for the Court if you want to have Custody. The Court will take about 4 to 6 months with some interviews to rule about the case.

For a Visa the Immigration department will make considerations based on the evidence provided with the application. Have seen many cases that the DNA report of the Police Hospital of who is the Father of the Child was one of the items taken in consideration and archived by the documents of application done for the Visa. As well other documents where given back and indicated not needed.

The non- immigrant O Visa taking care of Child with Thai Nationality is not important to the Thai Court when they look at and evaluate your Custody request over the Thai child you are taken care of.

the Visa supports the request you make as I have seen when added the Visa which is are granted by the immigration Office to have the Visa stamped and extensions in the passport of the foreigner to support the request.

Like as in most countries the Thai Immigration Department and the Thai Court have separate decision process and the outcome of the cases in the past not guarantee the outcome of any cases in the future.

Just prepare all is needed and provide the information they need to be able to grant your application.

success

depending on your situation

In general:

the embassy assigned to you the first step to make ik possible to be able to have a one year VIsa Non-O.

When entered you get a 3 month Visa. Then you have to arrange all in Thailand to make the conversion for the 1 year non Immigrant visa taking care for child with Thai nationality.

it is always possible if you meet the requirement to convert single entree to multiple entree and if that is possible cost are about 4.000 Baht this can be done at Immigration in Thailand

if you have DNA test result report made by example the Forensic department of the Police Hospital that proofs you are the father makes things easier.

cost are about 5.000 per person so in total 15.000 baht. results are in about 1 - 2 months.

the Non-O of Vientiane can be converted to a one Year. non Immigrant taking Care for child with Thai national

Just fill in the documents and go t the immigration office with what they needed to see.

Also make pictures and include them You and your child and all three together in a few different settings.

the DNA report is just extra supporting the application and lower t he eventual resistance.

It helps if your wife and child are there at the application at the immigration office in Thailand..

you need the paperwork done and meet the financial requirements.

The lease contract you can use to report your address in Thailand as you have to do by the Thai Law. of this registration you get a proof of report that has to be kept with your passport.

After having done the address report of the address then you you can use the registration at the Immigration as proof of the address in Thailand.

Doing things in the right order solves everything.

Success