Bobotie

Honestly, no trolling here I am seeking real advice.

Get another hobby then

your not very good at trolling

I think maybe................

It is that obvious isnt it...?

the give away was...

"I am from the US.... I feel like a berk, Joe"

An American using a very specific UK term like "berk"

The troll is from the UK pretending to be an American...and has failed

My school back home approved it, I produced the company and school papers and made a 3-month ED visa in Singapore.

Sure its an Ed visa ? typically for an internship one would be on a B visa and work permit, whether paid or unpaid

I live in Thailand to get away from the politically correct rubbish of the West,

As regards Thai's there are good and bad all over.

As regards Western ex0pats its the same you will find some racist and maybe they have reason to be and some not.

Russians and Chinese can be very racist and then I have met some that are not.

People all the world over will have opinions of other people, Some good, some bad.

As for me, I just don't like religious people especially Muslims

God bless you.

Funny how the topic is about farang racism and Islam and Christianity have got mixed up in this...news flash neither are "races"

Maybe we we should just change the title to are "Thailands expats bigots ?"

As-salamu alaykum

 

Pb 1: It is so broad that it would even apply to tourists answering work emails, or anyone volunteering or helping out for free.

Pb 2: a work permit contains the physical address of the business and it is expected to always be at that location together with the WP holder in case of control. If I am not wrong, I read there is possibility to add a home office address for meetings outside, but WP holder is expected to be at main address most of the time.

"Thai Wife. Lived in Thailand for 4 years, first as employee later as online "freelancer" (software development) for one US client"

Pb 1: your not a tourist and yes volunteering for free requires a WP

i always enjoyed good hard slurpee when in thailand

I bet you did...

only problem after a slurpee, it took 2 large bottles of beer to remove the taste.

did you swallow or spit ?

i always enjoyed good hard slurpee when in thailand

I bet you did...

Why 7-11 don't sell Slurpee and hot-dogs anymore?

Maybe a question you should should put to 7/11s head office rather ?....as don't think anyone one here works for them

just a thought ...

Someone on the Motoring Forum yesterday reported he tried to order a new car at the Bangkok Motor Show and was told by 3 different people that from 1 March 2016 a work permit was required.

Perhaps that was to get financing. If there had a been a change in being able to register a vehicle there would of already been topics about it.

He wanted to pay cash. Another TV member on the same forum has been told he can only buy a car in the province he lives in / work permit was issued. Maybe a misunderstanding .

Which thread ?

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/883707-new-honda-civic-not-getting-the-15-turbo-engine-in-thailand-surely-not/page-18

Thanks...personally i think there is confusion mixed up in speculation

WP to finance a car ? Yeah why not...would make sense

WP to buy a car cash ? No doesnt make sense

Register car in same province/district as where you get your extension /registered address ? Can see the sense in that one

Purchase only in that province ? Doesnt make sense other than it makes it easier for the dealer in the above

Someone on the Motoring Forum yesterday reported he tried to order a new car at the Bangkok Motor Show and was told by 3 different people that from 1 March 2016 a work permit was required.

Perhaps that was to get financing. If there had a been a change in being able to register a vehicle there would of already been topics about it.

He wanted to pay cash. Another TV member on the same forum has been told he can only buy a car in the province he lives in / work permit was issued. Maybe a misunderstanding .

Which thread ?

On our last building construction I approached the situation differently.

I gave the people operating the jackhammer a handful of disposable earplugs and the welder a cheap pair of welding goggles.

They appreciated it and the small outlay worked in my favour.

Welding goggles are almost as bad as sunglasses,I assume the welder was using Electric Arc,which calls for a Full face mask? and leather gloves?

I often thought,welders in Thailand pay a high price for posing on the job, as you say skin cancer ! surely somebody in authority has told them?

Ah here is the key, the vast majority of so called "welders" are not even welders, real Thai welders are in demand world wide for their skills and they are paid very well and they do wear the proper kit

I will concede the vast majority of posters only experience with "thai welders" is watching them weld roof trusses on the MacMansion the all knowing farang is getting built for his teerak, who love him long time

Real thai welders would not be welding roof trusses on a farangs MacMansion for thb 300/day or even thb 1000/day

Someone on the Motoring Forum yesterday reported he tried to order a new car at the Bangkok Motor Show and was told by 3 different people that from 1 March 2016 a work permit was required.

Which thread ?....it may relate to getting finance for a car, not actually owning the car...two different things completely

But to answer your question...yes they can lower your basic if they do it properly

Well that's contrary to what others have said, so I'm a little confused.

I was under the impression they couldn't force you to take a lower salary and if you refused they would have to sack you and pay severance, which is what others have stated here also This seems more likely the case under Thai law IMO

They are not forcing you to do anything, for what ever reasons they have got, they appear to be restructuring and what happens during restructuring somestimes is that peoples T&Cs are changed, it happens all over the world, they are not sacking you...they have made you new offer and its yours to take or not, if you decline the new contract, you have effectively resigned

If they do this and you believe you have a case, take it to the DOL, if the DOL tell you have no case, you are then welcome to retain a lawyer who will lodge a civil case against the company

In this case there is no contract, just a letter of offer, with the salary on it.

It was my understanding that this was binding as a contract. Further reading I have found that a company that does not give a contract is bound by normal Thai laws.

I just want to know if it is legal to lower a salary, as BritTim states, it would seem it would be a way to get people to quit, or sack them for a lower severance pay.

Contract or not, they are still bound by labour laws and the employee is protected under the same labour laws.

You have a letter stating your offer ? Are you working for them ?...if you are... they "technically" cant pay you a lower salary without renegotating your current T&Cs, but with that being said, all they have to say is they cant pay you the original amount due to "ecomomic" conditions, but have made an alternative offer to keep you employed which is then your call take it or leave it

So to answer your question, is it legal ?...yes it is if they are doing it as part of a renegotation or your T&Cs

Yes I have a letter signed with my package on it, which has never been paid in full since day one. My basic yes but the promised comms, never

Hold on...your getting into something different now...you said reduce salary, they havent reduced your salary, this is a dispute over commission, so what is the reason they give ?...

No, comms is another story, something I can do very little about. This post is exactly as I posted. About reducing basic not comms. There has been talk that soon the company will be reducing management's basic salaries and making it up with commission. Which in my experience never gets paid. So my OP is valid. Can they reduce your basic? Which it appears, they cannot.

And all the company needs to do is present you with new terms and conditions per another letter and either you take or leave it, so as we sit the company has done nothing wrong to date, if you reject the offer, you have effectively resigned so no serverance either applicable

But to answer your question...yes they can lower your basic if they do it properly

They do need you to agree in writing. If you don't they can retrench (or whatever the local variant is) you and pay you a severance. Or, continue to employ you on the same salary (then look for a way to fire you with no severance). They can do this to Thais as well.

In the oil and gas industry in Thailand and globally, this is occurring to those companies that have not gone out of business with few exceptions.

If you read back, OP appears to have mistated his problem, his question has nothing to do with reducing salaries at all its a dispute of commission payments...he is being paid his agreed to base salary

My mistake! I did not have enough time to read the full thread.

Mine too ..

I think the key is the OP stated a thread with a statement about reduced salaries and the advice he was given was correct based on that premise, but now the true story comes out, its not about salary reduction in the least, its a contractual dispute about commissions...not the same thing as an employer "cutting" ones salary..fact is his salary hasnt been cut

This is why getting terminology correct is so important

thank you all for your input will stick to my retirement visa and go every three months

On a retirement you wouldnt qualify anyway

They do need you to agree in writing. If you don't they can retrench (or whatever the local variant is) you and pay you a severance. Or, continue to employ you on the same salary (then look for a way to fire you with no severance). They can do this to Thais as well.

In the oil and gas industry in Thailand and globally, this is occurring to those companies that have not gone out of business with few exceptions.

If you read back, OP appears to have mistated his problem, his question has nothing to do with reducing salaries at all its a dispute of commission payments...he is being paid his agreed to base salary

The WP doesnt come into it

Its a contractual thing

If a company tried that on me, i would walk, not a reputable company to work for simple

Of course a company can reduce your salary. No matter your contract, you can be terminated. Offering to keep you on at a reduced recompense may be better than termination and allow them to legally reduce your salary.

This is the reason I started the thread. It was my understanding that a company cannot just lower your salary without both parties agreeing to it

Per your previous posts...they havent lowered your salary so the premise of your thread is incorrect anyway....yours is a dispute over commission payments

In this case there is no contract, just a letter of offer, with the salary on it.

It was my understanding that this was binding as a contract. Further reading I have found that a company that does not give a contract is bound by normal Thai laws.

I just want to know if it is legal to lower a salary, as BritTim states, it would seem it would be a way to get people to quit, or sack them for a lower severance pay.

Contract or not, they are still bound by labour laws and the employee is protected under the same labour laws.

You have a letter stating your offer ? Are you working for them ?...if you are... they "technically" cant pay you a lower salary without renegotating your current T&Cs, but with that being said, all they have to say is they cant pay you the original amount due to "ecomomic" conditions, but have made an alternative offer to keep you employed which is then your call take it or leave it

So to answer your question, is it legal ?...yes it is if they are doing it as part of a renegotation or your T&Cs

Yes I have a letter signed with my package on it, which has never been paid in full since day one. My basic yes but the promised comms, never

Hold on...your getting into something different now...you said reduce salary, they havent reduced your salary, this is a dispute over commission, so what is the reason they give ?...

2- it is much easier to get a WP as a permanent resident.

How so? Care to elaborate? According to my accountant, the requirements for a work permit are exactly the same, wether you have a PR or a regular non-O visa.

The written requirements maybe the same, but the fact your PR already, makes it just about a formality that the WP will be issued by the DOL thats why its easier

Yes its true...why so suprised ?

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What does your contract say?

And why are they wanting to reduce your salary? If you don't disclose that information (absolutely your choice of course), then I don't see how anybody here can give you any focused comment.

By the law the Thai labor law covers all employment / labor matters, same for Thai and non-Thai employees.

1st question that comes to mind would be to ask you if the company has obtained the Work Visa AND Work Permit for you?

If these documents are not in place what they pay you is all hypothetical.

If the documents are not in place and the OP is working for the company he may still have a claim in the labour court, in cases like this if legit, the fact the OP doesnt have a WP is secondary in the eyes of the DOL in other words it doesnt mean he doesnt have a case possibly

What does your contract say?

And why are they wanting to reduce your salary? If you don't disclose that information (absolutely your choice of course), then I don't see how anybody here can give you any focused comment.

By the law the Thai labor law covers all employment / labor matters, same for Thai and non-Thai employees.

What is of course somewhere in this situation, the various requirements for approval / renewal of a work permit, but that's a different subject here.

And this is the key what reason has been given ?....

In this case there is no contract, just a letter of offer, with the salary on it.

It was my understanding that this was binding as a contract. Further reading I have found that a company that does not give a contract is bound by normal Thai laws.

I just want to know if it is legal to lower a salary, as BritTim states, it would seem it would be a way to get people to quit, or sack them for a lower severance pay.

How long did they paid you the higher salary?

A contract don't must be in written form. If you have an offer about that salary and the company paid it for a certain time then you have a contract with them. They cannot lower the salary without consent. But according to the labor laws they could perhaps quit your contract.

paying the apropriate termination

If entitled to it of course