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53 minutes ago, ilostmypassword said:
Only the most foolish of strategists would be governed in his or her actions by the feelings of aggrieved persons. And yes, UK law does allow injured parties to testify at a sentencing. What has that got to do with devising strategy and tactics? Nothing. Maybe you also think the relatives of murder victims should be tagging along with detectives?
So, according to you these terrorists aren’t doing what they do to terrify populations but only for some other motives? And all the publicity and attention they get, even though it does promote fear among the populace, are irrelevant to their motivations? Really? So even though they are terrorists, their goal isn’t to promote terror among the populace? Maybe they’re Zen terrorists?
It isn’t enough to characterize the statistics I’ve cited as questionable. To support your case, it’s a generally accepted practice to provide something called evidence.
As for your apparent contention that you are involved with combating crime, well I was going to doubt you but once I saw that you had writteen “Buster”, how could I do anything but accept your contention?
Well, you were the person who claimed that I mischaracterized you as contending that Islamic terrorism is a serious threat. Therefore, what am I to conclude but that you don’t consider it a serious threat? And if you don’t consider it a serious threat, how is it not legitimate to question how much more extreme your response can be in the case of a threat you do consider serious? Or is this a case like that of Schrodinger’s cat? If so, please.open the box and we can all be enlightened.
Do you understand that calling me an apologist for terrorists means that somewhere in my writing I’ve defended their actions? I’m sure you wouldn't write such a thing without having evidence. Please share it with me.
There you go again - asking your own questions and superciliously answering them on my behalf.
Playing semantics regarding cause and effect just doesn't cut it with me.
In responding to your previous assertion that "It's people like you, who mark these murders as a special and paramount class of crime who are actually giving oxygen to these terrorists" I responded that having never labelled them as special (another invention of yours) the islamist extremists cause these atrocities through a warped version of islam - as I am led to believe islam is a religion of peace. It is a natural consequence that the effect of these atrocities will promote fear.
You're hell bent on labouring the point of statistics and serious threat.
Statistics: The ones you quoted were totally irrelevant to the points made in my original response to another poster regarding reporting of terrorist atrocities and confirmation bias.
Serious threat: I have never stated or implied serious threat - you again invented this via your arrogant attempt to elicit some sinister motive from me. Boring. I have said all I have to say on that matter.
You are quick to quote statistics to defend the non violent islamists and any perceived threat but your silence in the lack of condemnation of these terrorist atrocities speaks volumes.
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On 09/04/2017 at 10:42 AM, ilostmypassword said:
"Once again, why is it that sentiments of people whose families have been murdered are taken as being some kind of guiding principle or of paramount importance? Policy should be implemented on the basis of rage, grief and the desire for vengeance? That's a good justification for lynch mobs but it's no way to run a country or do law enforcement.
It's people like you, who mark these murders as a special and paramount class of crime who are actually giving oxygen to these terrorists. If these attacks were just regarded as crimes and got little no more publicity than other murders,these murderers would have a lot less incentive to commit them.
As for statistics being irrelevant to you, who cares? To serious people who fight crime, statistics are hugely important in creating and implementing strategy and tactics. Let's be grateful that you are not numbered among those people.
On the one hand you state that "I never at any point stated, or implied, the words "serious threat"." On the other you state that "The only figure that matters is 0 deaths and injuries that anyone of any persuasion should suffer at the hands of islamist extremists." If this is your attitude about threats that aren't serious, how much more extreme can your attitude be about threats that are?
Yet another "once again" introduction - your condescending responses to people are really very boring now.
Once again you are inventing words and statements into my posts by asking and arrogantly answering your own questions.
Only the most heartless of people would ignore the sentiments of people whose families have been murdered by these islamist extremists (step forward your good self!) and no one mentioned policy implementation and lynch mobs but - somewhat hysterically - you!!
As for law enforcement - the UK has worked very hard to put the thoughts and welfare of victims and witnesses at the forefront of any crime so you are really showing your ignorance there!
I at no point stated that these barbarians were special (anything but!) but unless you are wanting to restrict freedom of speech I can contribute to an open forum such as this - you do know what a forum is, right? - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
As for the opinions of myself or anyone else giving these creatures incentive to commit murders what sheer, utter poppycock!! These people commit the most heinous of crimes following their own warped version off islam. Nothing else.
Whilst your questionable statistics are irrelevant I made no mention of any other statistics, particularly those that fight crime. And as for not being numbered among those people - wrong again Buster!!
Pretty poor response to try and reintroduce your erroneous assertion that I claim there is a serious threat, by the way!
Indeed, in your response to my belief that zero is the only acceptable figure for deaths and injuries that anyone of any persuasion should suffer at the hands of islamist extremists you yourself state:
"If this is your attitude about threats that aren't serious, how much more extreme can your attitude be about threats that are?"
If ever I have read an apologist statement on behalf of these cowardly islamist extremists then this is by far the best.
Step forward and take a bow!!
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19 hours ago, ilostmypassword said:
Once again, there are 20 million muslims in western europe. In 2016 about 140 people died from Muslim Terrorist attacks. This boils down to 7 people per million or .7 per 100,000 muslims. If you think that this constitutes a serious threat, then I advise you to stay indoors and make sure your residence is all on one floor. You're in more danger from stairs than you are from terrorists.
Lies, damned lies and statistics. Never a truer word said with such a pertinent sentiment.
Why don't you quote your figures to the families of the numerous victims of these islamist extremists over the years - you quote here with such gusto that your statistics must be able to make them feel so much better!
I never at any point stated, or implied, the words "serious threat".
You, however, quoted your own statistics and then arrogantly assumed that I would think your conclusion would constitute a serious threat. This very lame effort at mind reading was nothing but a cheap attempt to deflect my point that it is the heinous actions of the muslim extremists (I reiterate - actions against fellow muslims as well as those from the west) that form the opinions of individuals, not the reporting of such.
As for those statistics - they mean diddly squat to me which renders your pathetic attempt at humour as somewhat redundant.
The only figure that matters is 0.
Zero is the only acceptable number of deaths and injuries that anyone of any persuasion should suffer at the hands of islamist extremists.
Unfortunately we all know the number of deaths and injuries at the hands of these odious creatures is way, way in excess of zero.
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12 hours ago, thaihome said:
I would like to point out that some 260+ people will die this year in Sweden from traffic accidents (one of the lowest rates in the world), more alarming is the over 60 that will die from drowning. Between traffic deaths and drowning that is almost one person per day.
I am certainly not defending somebody intentionally using a motor vehicle as a murder weapon but only trying to put this particular event in some sort of perspective and show how international coverage of these events may cause some people to be susceptible to confirmation bias in their attitude to muslims and immigrants.
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What utter garbage!
People die every day, all over the world, from a variety of causes. To use selective and unrelated statistics about traffic accidents and drowning in the context of one terrorist attack in which 4 people have died and many injured is totally ridiculous.
The international coverage of the events in Sweden, Belgium, France, Tunisia, Germany and the UK (to name but a few!!) does not cause "confirmation bias" to any attitude toward muslims and immigrants - it informs people that the extremists among the muslim religion will regularly attack, kill and maim with no end in sight.
Any opinions formed by individuals are purely as a result of these terrorist atrocities, not the reporting of them.
If you seek any reason for alleged "confirmation bias" towards muslims - look solely at the acts of the terrorist extremists, these protagonists of violence toward fellow muslims and other innocent parties alike.
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Having previously viewed comments from friends of the accident victim my heartfelt sympathies go to you all as you have had to view the footage.
No one wants to see friends lose their life.
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Muslim Americans have helped raise more than $91,000 to repair vandalised headstones at a Jewish cemetery in St. Louis, Missouri, according to an online fundraising page, amid attacks and threats against Jewish institutions
Fantastic - long may this working together show to the radical extremists ON ALL SIDES that the will of the mainstream is united!!
8 hours ago, DM07 said:Waiting for TV's finest, to put a negative, anti- Muslim spin on this!
You DM07 want to look at yourself is the mirror angling for a "typist" confrontation with a comment like that.
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1 hour ago, Srikcir said:
Thankfully, Islam Occupied part of Europe to help it survive The Dark Ages by providing a "golden age" of creativity and toleration versus Western intolerance for science and anything faith not Christian-based.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_world_contributions_to_Medieval_Europe
And now the situation is reversed with intolerant radical islamists wanting to maim, kill and destroy anything that is Christian - or indeed anything that they perceive as an affront to their radical interpretation of islam as witnessed in the destruction of Iraqi and Syrian cultural heritage sites.
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12 hours ago, dunroaming said:
And 612 right wing extremist attacks (including murders) in Germany in 2015. Some 2016 crimes are still being investigated but the figure for 2016 is considerably higher. I am only posting this to illustrate that anyone can come up with statistics to "prove a point". Germany has a much bigger problem with right wing extremists attacking people than with Muslims but hey! That's not the angle you want.
You CANNOT possibly know what angle I could want - particularly if there is no angle there in the first place!
Just another quite arrogant assumption on your part.
I was not the one to come up with statistics of the BKA.
I suggest you actually take time to read my post again instead of shooting off at the hip. There is no angle there at all.
I merely asked for clarification on the basis that there was - worryingly - either reporting issues or offence classification issues if the figures referred the same year.
The angle form your post - and the use of deliberately selected statistics - is patently clear, however, and I quote from the eminent poster in ID71 "tedious and unproductive"
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17 minutes ago, Opl said:
Not true...
For 18 July : These have been largely reported by european press .. Google " Würzburg" instead of Wuerzburg...
German axe attack on train: Isil claim Afghan refugee who injured four as one of its 'fighters'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/18/german-train-axe-attack-many-injured/
German Police Kill Assailant After Ax Attack Aboard a Train
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/19/world/europe/ax-attack-germany-wurzburg.html?_r=0
For 24 July, google " Ansbach"
Ansbach blast: Syrian asylum seeker kills himself and injures 12 in Germany
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/07/24/world/ansbach-germany-blast/
Ansbach blast: Syrian asylum seeker kills himself and injures 12 in Germany
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/25/bomb-attack-southern-germany
I think we were on the same page here OPL.
The BKA stats posted by Lungmi stated there were 0 attacks by refugees - hence my request for clarification of which year the stats alluded to as both you and I can refer to attacks in 2016 by refugees.
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4 hours ago, Estrada said:
Hitler and his far right Nazi white supremacist movement rose to power by inventing fear of communists, but that did not work very well. He therefore attacked the Jews which led to the torture and massacre of Millions of Jews in Europe. The United States White supremacists and American Nazi party sent back Jewish refugees to Germany who were then slaughtered in the Nazi concentration camps. No surprise, as President Bush's Grandfather backed the Nazi's and US banks bankrolled Hitler's war effort. Henry Ford is even mentioned in Mein Kampf as he was an inspiration to Hitler. IBM supplied technology, GM and Opel built factories and provided designs to build military vehicles, and plans for Hitler's war efforts. Standard Oil supplied the fuel oil to keep Hitler's tanks and plans capable of killing the Europeans fighting against him and bombing the UK.
GM was an integral part of the German war effort. The Nazis could not have invaded Poland and Russia without GM.” The GM and Ford plants in Germany relied on slave labour including Jews who eventually would die in the concentration camps. The United States only stopped backing Hitler on December 8th 1941 after the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbour the previous day.
With the rise again of the far right Nazis in the US (Alt.Right) and Europe once again they are spreading hate and fear against a religious group and unless these people are stopped then we are heading for WWIII.
A very good post.
I would propose a view on one small point - and certainly not disagreeing with the notion that far right parties do spread hate - I would respectfully propose that the hate and fear against a certain religious group is perpetuated mainly by the acts of those claiming to represent that certain group who drive lorries into Christmas crowds, carry out massacres on beaches and in theatres, and blow up targets.
Whatever the rights or wrongs, the British people democratically voted for Brexit. Not wanting to get into the intricacies of the USA democratic system DT was "democratically" elected as the country's president.
There were many issues at stake in both decisions of which immigration and national security was but one.
The fact that the established way of voting (left or white, blue or red) was broken in both votes may be in no small part down to the ordinary "middle of the road" voter who in terms of immigration has no particular affiliation with the far right reads, but more importantly sees and hears first hand numerous instances that lead them to vote in a particular way. In effect the people that swayed the vote (not your dyed in the wool blues or reds) did so using their own judgement based on what they believe.
I can't say if terrorist attacks are under reported but I do share your concern about WWIII unless hate and fear against ALL groups, religions and identities are ceased.
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54 minutes ago, lungmi said:
The facts published by the BKA (German FBI) show a different reality concerning terrorism:
Illegal immigrants from outside (most now from Tunisia) about 400.
refugees (as Terrorist) 0
Neonazi, AfD, etc addicted 1800 (not all Terrorists,, but crimes against refugees and accepted immigrants.
For clarification can you confirm the year to which these stats relate please?
With regard to Germany, and 2016 in particular, the extract below was taken from the BBC website:
On 18 July, a teenage Afghan refugee hacked at passengers on a train in Wuerzburg with an axe and knife, wounding five. He was shot dead by police.
On 24 July, a 21-year-old Syrian refugee killed a woman with a machete and wounded five other people as he fled before being arrested. Later that day, a 27-year-old Syrian whose refugee application had been refused blew himself up outside a bar in Ansbach. Fifteen people were wounded.
Just asking because if the BKA stats refer to last year then there appears to be either reporting or offender classification issues.
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9 hours ago, Psimbo said:
so- we scrap any rules because 'I am on holiday'? Maybe I'll get a place next to where you live and make a racket when I go on holiday- because that's OK isn't it! I hope you like Motorhead.
Feel free. However, where I live does not have a reputation as a dedicated party area with late closing times.
To clarify my opinion of "live and let live" I will highlight the salient points from the Old Croc post to which I agreed with and influenced my response:
Places like Pattaya Walking Street, Patong and the Full Moon Party Islands have built reputations over many years as party destinations.
Special entertainment zones, with late closing and few restrictions on noise and other activities should already be in effect in these places.
Old farts, whether they be Government officials or Thaivisa posters, should not be trying to inject their own prejudices and morality into how these places operate! (within reason)
If TVF members have problems with these areas, simply stay away! Thailand is a big place outside these places, no need to go there!
I at no point stated scrap any rules - I refer to the point above regarding special entertainment zones with late closing etc. and as long as the existing restrictions (if any) are abided to then so be it. These places attract a certain type of tourist and/or expat resident.
If you personally live in a residential area that has seen a growth of party style establishments around you and the effects of such are to be compounded by later closing times, then I genuinely feel for you.
And I'll take Mozart over Motorhead please.....
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30 minutes ago, Old Croc said:
Places like Pattaya Walking Street, Patong and the Full Moon Party Islands have built reputations over many years as party destinations. These reputations have a lot to do with attracting certain types of tourists to Thailand to enjoy the madness. People travel from around the world for that reason.
Special entertainment zones, with late closing and few restrictions on noise and other activities should already be in effect in these places.
Old farts, whether they be Government officials or Thaivisa posters, should not be trying to inject their own prejudices and morality into how these places operate! (within reason)
If the Government doesn't want them to exist then Cabinet should close down that aspect of tourism completely and watch the hedonists head elsewhere. Concentrate on the zero baht and temple gazing visitors instead.
If TVF members have problems with these areas, simply stay away! Thailand is a big place outside these places, no need to go there! This old fart lives about 10ks from Patong, but hasn't been there for years because I'm no longer interested in the place. However I accept that many, mainly younger, visitors love the lifestyle and a chance to let the hair down.
Used to do it myself, I have no right to insist on old man closing times or cruise ship noise restrictions.
Great post mate. Live and let live.
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35 minutes ago, Thorgal said:
OP is linked to an Egyptian national who came to France in January. His motives are still unclear, but he acted without a network or in a plot.
Aside from the pagan mystical shape of the Louvre museum and the Egyptian nationality of the attacker, I don't really see any link...
Sent from my iPad using Thaivisa Connect
"A French soldier guarding the Louvre in Paris has shot a man who tried to attack a security patrol with a machete shouting "Allahu Akbar", police say.
The man, who tried to gain entry to the Louvre's shopping centre, was shot in the abdomen and seriously injured.
Reports say he is an Egyptian man, 29, who arrived in France last month. Police have not released his identity.
President Francois Hollande said the situation was under control but the "threat of terrorism is here to stay"."
The above was taken from the BBC website.
Whilst at this stage there is no conclusive proof of any link to islam or any extreme islamist organisation - and you are quite free to draw your own conclusions on the reported facts - I think the reasonable man can draw his own conclusions given the shouts of Allahu Akbar which were similarly used in the barbaric attacks in France in recent months.
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On 29/01/2017 at 10:23 AM, scotchonrocks said:
It's was for spiritual enlightening: apologies and a wai to the local chieftains and all is forgiven (oh forgot the small donation to the local BiB shop).
Meth-elated spirit enlightening perhaps??
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1 hour ago, Alan Deer said:
Brexit must be stopped, one way or another it is a total disaster - it no longer can even draw on a majority to defend it yet the loony right are desperately trying to push something - ...anything through....in order to keep their surprise jobs.
if you are in any doubt about Brexit, just take a moment and try to find a single rational argument in favour of it........there simply isn't one.
Please explain with FACTS How is Brexit a total disaster
Please explain and ACTUALLY PROVE how it "can no longer even draw a majority to defend it."
Please explain with FACTS What are the "surprise "jobs you profess will appear.
Interested in your detailed and factual response.....
If you can factually approve all of the above then your request for people to find a single rational argument in favour of Brexit will be well proven - Bravo!
Failure to provide any factual evidence however, well, ...........
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3 hours ago, Thaiwrath said:
Most thieves have no scruples.
A bit strange though to let an unknown customer wait in your house unattended.
Agreed - but a despicable act nonetheless particularly given the circumstances of a defenceless old lady.
Years ago in the old shipyard and mining communities near to where I am from the front doors were always open. People and visitors would give a polite knock and walk in. These days the front doors are locked and bolted.
I hope the same doesn't happen here where the goodwill of Thai householders, and the frequent offers to known passers by to "Come and eat" is exploited to the effect that they too resort to the locked doors on their homes - something alien to current village Thai society and one thing I would hate to see.
Granted the OP is a shop but the Thai hospitality principles still apply.
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21 hours ago, Bureaucrat said:
Is that what you read in the The Daily Mail?
Unlike you - who can purportedly accurately tell everyone "Their decision to leave was based on propaganda from the UKIP and other right wing tories who tried as hard as they could to exploit voters fears about immigration. MP's know this and will vote accordingly." the Daily Mail cannot accurately predict your posts and therefore influence any response from me.
You profess to tell everyone why the 52% voted and any contest to your fully fact statement (not) you retort with "Go and join trump" and the above, to which I believe I'm entitled to reply.
Get real, stick to the facts and stay on topic (Trump and Daily Mail are clearly not) instead of petty snide remarks.
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7 minutes ago, Bureaucrat said:
So you now represent the people of England?
Rioting? you mean similar to the Brixton riots lol I don't think so.
The leavers were feed false information abouts the NHS and farm subsidies. Their decision to leave was based on propaganda from the UKIP and other right wing tories who tried as hard as they could to exploit voters fears about immigration. MP's know this and will vote accordingly.
So do you represent the people in England then? Just asking because you have accused someone else on the basis of having a differing opinion...and there was a majority verdict ....
Every voter was fed the same information - and those that digested it acted on it. You can whinge as much as you like about propaganda (a tool of use employed by all sides - remember the "Remoaners" scaremongering about dire economic repercussions when today it was announced the UK has again seen an 0.6% growth in its economy) so it works both ways.
And to insult voters to say that they were exploited about immigration is churlish at best and merely an excuse by those who patently lost!!
Immigration WAS a factor - but give people credit for not reacting to any alleged exploitation of the issue and merely deciding on what they believe and what they see around them. Or is the inherent belief of something as contentious as immigration on what people perceive only limited to one side of the divide?
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On 25/01/2017 at 2:19 AM, optad said:
You are a bigot.
There we go - the last resort in name calling by way of the ever popular and vastly over used "bigot" by a certain persuasion in the controversial debate that is anything to do with the results of extremism.
You know what a bigot is, right? Someone who is intolerant to those who offer different opinions.
Maybe a look in the mirror before anyone posting personal attacks like that above may be in order?
There are two distinct sides to this debate.
No one for sure knows all of the facts about every individual that is marching over several European countries - some willing to engage in violence with law enforcement officers at borders and railway stations - to get to their preferred destination (where some continue with their anti-social antics). Surely a true refugee would take the first safe haven?
But there are definitely genuine cases of refugees out there. Undisputed. And in respect of the OP the US has graciously acted.
Unfortunately the fake refugees make it so difficult for the genuine people seeking refuge. That is what polarises opinion - by all means state your point but personal attacks lead to zero credibility.
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2 hours ago, brucegoniners said:
.That's a lovely story. I hope they find her!
I too find it a nice story!
A handsome man and a very beautiful Thai lady - they look so happy together in the photo.
The pros and cons of finding her have been debated - decent comments from both sides - but if the grandchildren want to find the object of their grandfathers love over all these years perhaps that is a sign of forgiveness for any disrespect to his American wife and a huge respect for him and what he so cherished.
I hope there is a happy ending but life just isn't that way.
Good luck to all.
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3 hours ago, Nurseynutcase said:
So very sad to see such ancient monuments being wantonly destroyed in this way.
These people (I use the term loosely) are not capable of having any respect for anyone or anything.
As a previous poster said they are, indeed cockroaches - a stain on humanity.
Totally agree!
And what is indisputable are the perpetrators of these horrific events that affect existing and future people (professional or tourist) that would want to visit, cherish and preserve this site.
Not acceptable by any means.............
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2 minutes ago, optad said:
Just go away. You are a serial pest with zero to add in in fair context.
Any dialogue with you gets blown into crazy extrapolation. We did this last night. Not doing it again. Scott was right.
You get my opinion above and this. I detest xenophobics without solutions . Go away.
Yes Scott was right - stay on topic.
You clearly have not with another personal attack on someone who dares oppose your own extremist views.
If my wanting Sweden - and other countries - to be free from the threat of radical extremists is in your oh so esteemed opinion zero to add in fair context then that's it - anyone who dares oppose you had better watch out or you'll run to the mods crying fowl again.
Don't worry your pretty self - I'm pleased to be gone from someone as narrow minded and arrogant as you.
Toodlepip!!
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11 hours ago, optad said:
Muslims are not this unified body you want them to be. You want a target and that 'muslim' word is so neat. Gives you friends before you start because you cannot do this alone. Hate is a group thing.
Where did you learn to do this?
To know what I want is to know the operation of my mind. You cannot - and never will - know this so please stop making bland statements with no substance.
What I want is for Sweden - and every other country - to be free from the threat of radical extremists. My views on where the current threat comes from is apparent and based on fact.
No more empty soundbites or arrogant assumptions on what people think please - deal in facts
Police rush to London Bridge after reports of van hitting pedestrians
in World News
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Respect Sir!
Wise words from someone who has been in the middle of a war zone.
Whilst any amount of training could not prepare anyone adequately for the circumstances of blood and guts around you as you experienced unfortunately civilians don't have that training. What us Brits do have is more than a bit resolve and encouraging words like yours will help enormously.
Thank you.