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Putting a logo and a company name (that doesn't exist) is just a design feature. The invoice is from a person to a client and payment is to that person submitting the invoice.

That is possibly fraud and definitely misrepresentation, you cant represent yourself as a company ie a legal entity and then invoice from a person to client...

In my case I've never been resident in the UK. Not born there, never lived there, rarely even visited.

I also have zero UK sourced income so I'm good on that account.

But we are not talking about me and I'd wager the OP *is* probably still legally resident and therefore liable for tax in the UK on UK derived income.

If the OP also earns monies from outside the UK and banks them in HK, I don't see how that would be liable for UK tax.

"If the OP also earns monies from outside the UK and banks them in HK, I don't see how that would be liable for UK tax"

As its the source of the monies that's the issue...A UK pensioner living in Thailand having never set foot in the UK for 20 years will still be paying tax in his pension in the UK as the source of the income is the UK

Further if the OP has never worked outside the UK, to be declared non-resent for tax he needs to have been out of the UK for a prescribed amount of time and needs to qualify under the rules for non-residency for tax purposes

But we are talking about monies derived outside of the UK from as the OP said "International Clients"

"international clients" can mean anything, but he also says invoicing through his UK company, so the UK tax liability what ever that may be is already established, and one assumes its his own company in the UK which invoices his "international clients" company to company...which is exactly what we are talking about in relation to HK...

So if he keeps the structure he has, he will be paying UK income tax in some shape or form anyway....he can get away from this, if as suggested he forms another company in the likes of HK and moves his UK company "offshore" but you do it legally and not mess about with false companies and dummy invoices from entities that don't exist..that's just plain stupid

As a Brit do you pay tax if you are not living in the UK?

I didn't think you do but I guess I could be wrong as I've never actually lived there (I am British by passport)

If you don't live in Hong Kong and your income that is banked there is not derived from HK customers then that income is not taxable.

depends whether you are declared legally non-resident for tax purposes or not and whether you have UK sourced income or not.

you may have never lived in the UK ever, but if for some reason you have UK source income you in all likelihood liable for UK tax on that income source

In my case I've never been resident in the UK. Not born there, never lived there, rarely even visited.

I also have zero UK sourced income so I'm good on that account.

But we are not talking about me and I'd wager the OP *is* probably still legally resident and therefore liable for tax in the UK on UK derived income.

If the OP also earns monies from outside the UK and banks them in HK, I don't see how that would be liable for UK tax.

"If the OP also earns monies from outside the UK and banks them in HK, I don't see how that would be liable for UK tax"

As its the source of the monies that's the issue...A UK pensioner living in Thailand having never set foot in the UK for 20 years will still be paying tax in his pension in the UK as the source of the income is the UK

Further if the OP has never worked outside the UK, to be declared non-resent for tax he needs to have been out of the UK for a prescribed amount of time and needs to qualify under the rules for non-residency for tax purposes

You must like paying tax a lot.. Why not set up a HK co, invoice with that and legally enjoy 100% tax free income - no personal or corp tax except for income derived from HK clients. Just a thought.

Why even bother setting up a HK company.

Just get a personal bank account in HK and issue invoices on a fictitious company, with a fake or partial HK address.

And what happens when the HK BIB start investigating the "company" for fraudulent trading

setting up a legitimate shelf corporation in HK is so easy why even bother going the fictitious route unless one is completly stupid and lazy, or is fact undertaking and illegal business to start with

Why would the HK Police have anything to do with it?

The OP is doing work online (software engineering)

All he needs to do is set up a personal bank account in Hong Kong

Then invoice his customers as himslef and ask them to pay into his personal account in HK.

Why does he need a company?

Nothing fraudulent at all..... except if he wants to 'brand' himself, in which case just put a brand on the invoice "XYZ Software Development"

Why does that need to be 'a company'?

You only need a company when tax is involved but as tax would not be part of the equation I can't see the need for an actual company structure.

If you did something for me online like fixing my website and I needed to pay you, would you go to the trouble of setting up a company or simply let me transfer the payment to you?

Lets say our OP is a UK national who works on line for UK based companies, as the income is UK sourced, if he works as an individual, ie no legal entity, the company he works for is legally obligated to take income tax off him for services rendered.

The way around this is to set up a legal entity such as a limited company to invoice the UK company to "A company" and the individuals tax liability doesn't come into play and is shifted onto "company A" which is owned by the OP and typically these shelf companies are based in jurisdictions with low company tax and low personal income tax, such as HK.

If the OP creates a false company with false invoices reputably from a HK company (which is not legally registered) he is committing tax fraud in the UK, and he is committing companies fraud in HK. further under companies law, putting company invoice amounts into a private bank account is also "illegal" as the money is intended for the legal entity which is recognized as a "person"

You must like paying tax a lot.. Why not set up a HK co, invoice with that and legally enjoy 100% tax free income - no personal or corp tax except for income derived from HK clients. Just a thought.

Why even bother setting up a HK company.

Just get a personal bank account in HK and issue invoices on a fictitious company, with a fake or partial HK address.

I would really advise you NOT, repeat NOT, to do this . This will be bordering on tax evasion (in the UK) based on fake documents/ addresses. Set up a proper HK limited company, which is not expensive and carry on.

As a Brit do you pay tax if you are not living in the UK?

I didn't think you do but I guess I could be wrong as I've never actually lived there (I am British by passport)

If you don't live in Hong Kong and your income that is banked there is not derived from HK customers then that income is not taxable.

depends whether you are declared legally non-resident for tax purposes or not and whether you have UK sourced income or not.

you may have never lived in the UK ever, but if for some reason you have UK source income you in all likelihood liable for UK tax on that income source

Fink the word 'delirious' is a little out of place regarding the subject...

I have never met a delirious farang, met a few nutters but not delirious...

Seen a few on here go delirious when they forget to take their meds and turn into real bi-polar nutters

No significant cracks

Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage.

New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard.

No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term

Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage

Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components

If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly..

I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun

But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong

Very unusual to have anything welded together and not have a defect somewhere.

A lot of the time insignificant cracks/defects are better left alone to be monitored on a regular basis.

In some cases I've seen things that should have been left alone become much worse. on occasion causing the parts to be scrapped, due to urgent requirements by 'make it perfect experts' with no background knowledge.

I think a lot of people may not understand the technical terminology properly..ie technically speaking a "defect" which is acceptable should in fact be called a "discontinuity" and a "discontinuity" which is rejected per the technical specification/engineering study is called a "defect"

I thinkk even those of us who are in engineering use the term "defect" in the wrong context sometimes and we are not being technically correct..

The same with the term "crack" not all "cracks" are created equal.... is it a ?

Star crack

crater crack

hot crack

cold crack

fatigue crack

creep crack

SCC

etc etc

You must like paying tax a lot.. Why not set up a HK co, invoice with that and legally enjoy 100% tax free income - no personal or corp tax except for income derived from HK clients. Just a thought.

Why even bother setting up a HK company.

Just get a personal bank account in HK and issue invoices on a fictitious company, with a fake or partial HK address.

And what happens when the HK BIB start investigating the "company" for fraudulent trading

setting up a legitimate shelf corporation in HK is so easy why even bother going the fictitious route unless one is completly stupid and lazy, or is fact undertaking and illegal business to start with

It´s time to stop the barbaric bullfights.

not at all...just make it more interesting, take the lances and swords off the matadors and others, and put them in the ring with the bulls and see how many laps they can do before getting impaled by the bull or do like the ancient Cretans used to do..bull jumping over the bulls back...

The survey picked their targets well to get the desired result. Pure Thainess, well done.

I don't think they did, the survey I believe was a link on TV and anyone could respond...where the questions loaded to steer towards a know result ? most likely

and you couldn't make any comments...

This is going to end up like Brexit , where a lot who participated now refuse to accept the result

The only reason I did the survey was that there was a prize of a romantic weekend away at a "luxury villa" in Pattaya and If I won I was going to donate it the prize to a prominent TV member and one of the mods with my best wishes

• If you are managing the property yourself then technically a work permit is needed.
• If you use an agent/management company you wouldn't need one.

Surely you are still the one doing the trading. You own the asset, you are taking the profits from the trade. The management company are in effect just your employee, for a fee, doing work in your trade. Similarly if you owned a restaurant and carried on a business with thais doing the serving etc you are still trading.

but your physically not doing any work in Thailand, you have employed someone else to do the work, if you own a restaurant and played no active role in running that restaurant then you don't need a WP...same rational, in using an agent your not playing a active role in this "business"

You give money to a bank to invest for you, its your asset, you expect a profit from the investments/ trades the bank does,

Do you need a work permit ?....no of course you don't

however if you own one or more condo's in Thailand and rent these out yourself, and take care of all the "running" and maintenance, then you are in effect running a "real estate business" and as such as your directly involved with running the "business" you would need a WP

The survey picked their targets well to get the desired result. Pure Thainess, well done.

I don't think they did, the survey I believe was a link on TV and anyone could respond...where the questions loaded to steer towards a know result ? most likely

and you couldn't make any comments...

and how did they select the 884? why not just do an online survey and all allow everyone to vote? I cant believe ThaiVisa would indulge in this and how many times is Pattaya mentioned? TWELVE times!

Edited by LannaGuy, Today, 08:26 .

Well said. But I have to admit I love living here in Thailand

I believe it was an on line survey, if its the one I think it was...and the reason Pattaya is mentioned so much is that the the survey was most likely commissioned by the new owners of TV, who happen to be Pattaya based and are owners of "Inspire" which is also Pattaya based, ergo their frame of reference is Pattaya

Strange how not one single Thai visa member has come forth and said they took part in this fairy tale survey.

TV should be banning itself for 7 days for breaking its own forum rules on trolling.

if its the survey I think it is...I did take part in the survey, but as stated earlier the questions were loaded, not allowed to make further comments other than answer the questions and my inbox was flooded with spam relating to "offers" in Thailand shortly after participating...Coincidence ?

Actually, taking a survey on walking street at 2am when the OLD men like have a 28 year date on the way back to my condo that I've been trying to sell for years to pay for the hospital bills that my insurance won't pay and first I MUST pay and wait several months for a reimbursement.

As for owning a car, bike or house which as we all know is in your Thai's wife name and will always be hers and her families. It's Official but hey watch your bags when riding in a Tuk-Tuk.

Maybe if you stopped paying for 28 year old hookers then you might have a bit more money to pay your bills then...

Based on the responses on this subject...they did get one bit of this article 100% correct

"Thaivisa forum moaners who sound as though they are abjectly miserable"

How can most live in bkk or Pattaya and own property ? Foreigners are not allowed to own property ,thaivisa got that bit wrong ,what else?

Foreigners are not allowed to own "landed" property, but not let the facts get in the way of a good whine shall we ?

A foreigner can have their own name on a title deed for various condo's....ergo they own the property.

I can explain this to you, but I cant help you understand..

If you rent your place be it Condo or House for money you are essentially trading. To trade you need a work permit

Nope...

1. If you let an agent/company handle everything as regards rentals..then no WP needed

2. If you handle everything yourself, including things like maintenance, writing up contracts etc...then yes one suspects you may need a WP.

Similar example

You wouldn't need a work permit for looking after your own investments, inclusive of stock and share trading, but the minute you start doing the same thing for someone else then you would need a WP

Score one for the bulls against their tormentors

How this brutal torture and death of animals is allowed to continue is beyond me. Maybe the EU should do something useful for a change and ban it!

Maybe put some of the EU bureaucrats in the ring with the bulls to give them something useful to do

I would pay to watch that...some sweaty fat retard Froggie or German from Brussels being chased by an angry bull...great entertainment

Thailand was once a great place to live but sadly not anymore. The freedoms that used to be are no longer. I personally am just waiting to sell some assets here cant wait to leave after 15 years very sad about the way the country has gone and is going.

i have been in pattaya 9 years and was getting tired of it. i am now living in esan and cant believe how good it is up here. you might just need a change of venue. thailand is still a great country to live.

you are correct that it is better out of the tourist areas. Personally I have just got tired of the stupid rules that keep being brought in and the threats each time of imprisonment and big fines ie e cigarettes 3 year prison sentences threatened seems every new law here comes with stupid threats the country and most people are lovely but I just dont like the general direction its going I will probably try Cambodia many of my friends have already gone there and they say its more foreigner friendly and more how Thailand used to be. This is only my personal view.

"Thaivisa forum moaners who sound as though they are abjectly miserable"

Average person earns 100k a month? What?? I must be in the wrong job then, I get half that, I know maybe 1 person here who earns 100k a month, what am I missing exactly?

You must missing a lot. I know a lot foreigners with over 100,000 Baht monthly payment. At the place I work are 5 of such guys, including me.

I know lots of foreigners earning 300 to 500 k month 100k/m is chicken feed...

We have Thai nationals working for us who make 200k/m min

The labourers on the factory floor earn 30k/m

I have been in thailand (this) tour fourteen years, I have been a member of Thai Visa foir a long, long, time, AND I have had thai visa delivered to my computer on a daily basis since I have been here, pray tell when, where, and how did this so called survey take place? never heard of it! are you people trying to pull a fast one? Explain yourself!

"Thaivisa forum moaners who sound as though they are abjectly miserable"

Say what? It's not April 1st! Oh well, you know what they say about statistics.

The survey this relates to must be that questionnaire with all the loaded questions on TV a few weeks ago, fill it in/provide your email address and lo and behold you start getting spammed with "offers" from Thailand.

No significant cracks

Small cracks quickly become significant cracks through useage.

New carriages should not have any cracks, if they have been manufactured to a proper standard.

No significant cracks is an internationally and technically correct technical term

Not all small cracks become significant cracks through usage

Dependent of the specification used - certain discontinutes are permitted in components

If the plebs knew of the number of non significant "cracks" in the worlds aircraft fleets, they would be too scared to fly..

I know your an all knowing farang TV member with "expert" levels of knowlege of every subject under the sun

But on this ocassion, your statements of fact are in fact factually wrong

The entity appeared not to want to stop to possessing Pui's body........

I guess I can relate a little to that.....

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What is it about the Daily Mirror lately it seems to fixating a lot on Thailand.

Because they are stealing their stories from the Daily Mail