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There is no issue at all bouncing out and back at the Mae Sai / Tachileik border, in a matter of minutes if you want to.
500 baht or a pristine 10 dollar US bill gets you a 14 day entry permit and you can stamp in and right back out of you want to.
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9 hours ago, DrJack54 said:
Have a chat with @ThaiVisaCentre
Thai Visa Centre doesn't do visa runs, they hawk visas.
From Bangkok, Thai Visa Service runs to Savannakhet twice a week and leave from the Tesco Lotus On Nut parking.
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Okay if you fly in and are denied entry as a rule they give you the option to go back to where you just flew in from
Although you need to keep in mind that if you raise a fuss with them they can (at their discretion) send you back to the country of passport origin) <- so if you're denied entry by air while you're free to try to negotiate getting in do not argue with them to the point they decide you're going "home" ????
Where as IF you're denied entry by land they just turn you around and send you back to the country you just stamped out of <- meaning that country cancels your exit stamp and lets you back in
Then you go to an airport to fly in or try to 'negotiate' a way in the following day <- that last one is seen a LOT at the Aranyaprathet / Poipet border where they will deny you entry and as soon as you're stamped back in to Cambodia two guys will approach you and say "we can get you in tomorrow when the border opens for xxx USD" ????
They can indeed get you in AT that border, without any difficulty, but it happens so much, and like clockwork that I think both sides of the border are in on it along with the touts who approach people when they're denied.
Another good bit of info, IF you're denied by air do NOT (as in under NO circumstances) sign that form in thai that they fill in. Don't sign it, you don't get a denial of entry stamp in your passport, just shipped out. Sign it and you DO get that denial stamp in your passport. That's how it works and I know over a dozen people denied entry by air who refused to sign the form and did not get a denial of entry stamp in their passport. I mean it's still IN the immigration computer system but there's NO half page stamp saying you were denied in your passport-
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1 hour ago, stratocaster said:
Posters on another forum
You sure that isn't "posers" on another forum? ????
The way a single entry tourist visa works is:
You enter, get stamped in for 60 days, the visa itself gets stamped USED or struck thru, and you can extend that one 60 day entry by 30 more days at the immigration office where you stay for 1900baht.
A re-entry permit WOULD let you exit/re-enter thailand
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re-entry permits do NOT add any additional time to your entry/extension stamp, you'd get stamped in for the same expiration date you stamped out of the country on ????-
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I read that post and thought it was quite the conundrum as well.
I can only think he bounced on his own without a service to get him out and back. Those services grease the wheels to get people back in the same day and I think they wouldn't have let him ON the bus if they couldn't bounce him out and back
Also there is a HUGE difference between the Ban Laem/Duang and Ban Pakard/Phsar Prum borders, FEW border bounce companies will use Ban Pakard even though it's closer to some places because of the sketchy way they enforce policy.
I would imagine there was a good deal of lost in translation, possibly poor border choice & maybe trying to bounce himself in the whole mix.
As people pointed out bouncing out and in by land from an OA visa/extension without a re-entry permit to enter on a visa exempt entry is a common way to get off a visa with punitive insurance requirements so you can get a Non-O inside the country and then the year.
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11 hours ago, JimTripper said:
Why would immigration care where you got the visa?
They totally DO care where you pull your extensions and any immigration officer can look at that stamp and know that it's an agent gotten out of province stamp. The reason they care is you didn't use THEIR office to get the back door, under the table, year extension <- which is a real extension just not from a province you lived in, or from an immigration office you use..
In fact most people with out of province agent gotten extensions don't even have the slightest idea what address is in the system for the extension in their passport. ????-
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You cannot change visa types inside the country (except to go from a tourist visa to a Non-Immgrant type one), so going from a Non-B to a Non-O can't be done
HOWEVER WITH THAT BEING SAID
I'd bet dollars to durian you don't have a Non-B VISA at all ????and instead if you read the stamp in your passport it probably says "extension of stay permitted until" and has a date stamped <- that is NOT a visa, it's exactly what it says, an extension FROM a visa..
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You can change the reason for an extension from employment to one based on being over 50 (retirement) by cancelling your work permit, getting the termination paperwork from your employer, getting ALL the required documentation, bank letters, updated bank book, copies etc and going to the immigration office.
You would cancel your current extension based on employment and then immediately apply for a new extension based on being over 50 (retirement). People change the reason for extensions all the time and this is a common "reason change" (employment to retirement)
Before you're going to do this go to the immigration office where you live and get the hand out listing the requirements for the year extension based on retirement so you can get all the documents, you have just one chance to pull off the cancel current extension/apply for a new one, so get it right-
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To go from a yearly extension based on marriage to a thai to a yearly extension based on being over 50 (retirement) requires you to have the 800K baht in a thai bank account in your name only for 2 months before you apply for the extension.
People switch the reasons for their extensions (from marriage to retirement and retirement to marriage all the time)
Once you did get the year extension based on retirement issued you'd have to follow the seasoning requirements of the banked money method which means you would need to leave the 800K baht in the account for 3 months after you get the year extension granted, then the balance couldn't go below 400K baht the rest of the year..
Once you get back into thailand GO to your immigration office and get the hand out listing the requirements for the year extension based on being over 50 (retirement) so that when your current extension comes due you know what documents you'll need. (you've done it before so shouldn't be tough to meet the documentation requirements)-
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Sheesh this is a slow motion train wreck of a thread ????
FWIW: Jomtien has been requiring the 800K baht banked money method funds be in the account for 2 months to apply for the initial 90 day Non-O visa for a good long time now (as other groups Pattaya related have been talking about it for months and months).
There's not much you can do. There's really no one to "complain to" as it's been their policy for a good while and you're unlikely to get high enough up the food chain of immigrationz to get to someone who could change it IF they wanted to.
Your choice is to figure out how to do it ???? Astute posters pointed out that if you come here on a REAL single entry tourist visa, get your sh*t together, open the account, transfer the funds in, take the 1900baht 30 day extension and apply for the 90 day Non-O once the funds hit 2 months WILL work..
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get the initial 90 day non-O from a thai consulate in a nearby country
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get the 90 day Non-O from your country before you wing your way here
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via an agent in Pattaya (of which there are possibly hundreds down there)
It can be done, and hundreds, possibly thousands of people manage to pull it off without too much issue.-
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Short answer.. .. They wouldn't,
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once you get the eVisa issued there is no obligation to fly in with the flight you uploaded for the visa application.
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This is ONLY about whether the consulate is walk up or mandatory appt required AND the processing time.
Processing time key;
2 working day <- apply one morning, pick your passport up the next business day in the afternoon
3 working day <- apply one morning pick your passport up TWO business days later in the afternoon
Malaysia:
Penang
walk up service,
2 working day processingKota Bharu
walk up service,
2 working day processingKuala Lumpur
appt required,
2 working day processing
Cambodia:
Phnom Penh
walk up service,
3 working day processing (tourist visa)
5 working day processing (any Non-Imm)
Lao:
Vientiane
appt required
3 working day processingSavannakhet
walk up service
2 working day processing
Vietnam:
Hanoi
appt required
3 working day processingHo Chi Minh City
appt required
3 working day processing
Singapore;
Singapore
apply online first
2 working day processing-
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10 hours ago, KhunBENQ said:So they don't take it too serious to check the type of insurance.
Good for you.
Actually they DO take checking the type of insurance REALLY seriously and the can log in to the website that shows IF you're insured by one of the 12 approved thai insurers for the required 100K USD coverage.
I think right now the cheapest premium you can get is thru LMG with one million baht deductible (basically it's insurance just to tick the box that you have it as you pay the first 33K USD of any claim ???? )
In addition to the paper you bring from your insurance company showing your coverage and the dates it's in effect, while you are waiting for your passport to be returned Immigrations logs into the TGIA website and checks that it's "registered"
Here's a sample of what data they show when they look you up. This one is from a friend who got his OA extension just before the changes to the insurance where it went from 40k/400k to 100kUSD and the old 40/400 was accepted.-
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At this time, the thai consulate in Savannakhet Lao (across the river from Mukdahan Thailand) is the "softest touch" for tourist visas.
I should qualify that, ???? They are the softest touch consulate IF you haven't milked the last 2+ years here on covid extensions, b/s, under the table, back door ED or Volunteer visas.. They are REALLY starting to look at peoples' entry/stay history with a critical eye lately..
They have the lowest requirements, do not require an appt to get in the gate and have 2 working day processing <- meaning you turn your passport in one morning, and pick it up the next business day afternoon.
Mondays are TERRIBLE there because of all the visa run companies from Bangkok and Pattaya showing up. BUT Tuez or Thurz aren't bad
https://tinyurl.com/tourist-visa-savannakhet-
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Totally correct, because stamping in to the country at the airport doesn't have anything to do with 90 day reporting.
As people pointed out your NEXT 90 day report is due 89 days from the date you stamp in to thailand (because no matter what time you stamp in that is DAY ONE) ????
You can file a 90 day report in person from 14 days before the due date until 7 days after the due date
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The Immigration office in Bangkok where people on visa exempt entries go to get 30 day extensions at IT Square Laksi Plaza is HARD CORE about a TM30,
Sadly (for people who need to go file one) you can't file a TM30 at that immigration office location ????
You can only do that at the main immigration office at the government complex (building B) Section B on Chaengwattana Road (about 3km away)
They turn away a LOT of people every day,
It seems they are really looking for people who have previous entry/extensions especially ones where you didn't use Bangkok for the extension. ???? Those were most of the people I saw turned away and told to get a TM30.
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I would suggest exiting the country at the mukdahan border, going to the Thai consulate in Savannakhet Lao and getting either a 90 day single entry non o based on marriage, then come back and bank the 400k baht money for 2 months and apply for a year extension based on marriage.
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Get the year long, multi entry Non-O visa based on marriage at that consulate (no proof of funds needed) and just bounce in and out at the border every 90 days for the next year. You can get almost 15 months of stay out of that Visa in 90 day increments
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Reluctant or not, if you want to change the reason for your yearly extension from retirement to a yearly extension based on marriage or raising half Thai children you bank 400,000 baht in a Thai bank account in your name only.
For marriage the money must be banked for 2 months before you apply for your extension. There is no required seasoning for extensions based on raising children.
If you've registered your address with the tm30 receipt and are filing 90-day reports with the immigration office where you live now, even with an out of province stamp you might be able to pull off the extension.
Keep in mind if you used your friend to get that extension for you based on retirement and they banked the money for you, you were require to keep the 800k funds in the bank for 3 months after the extension was granted and then the balance could never go below 400,000. <-that could catch you out, or not
You want the clause 2.18 in the current police order which is married to a Thai or raising half thai children.
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We are seeing this more and more since the new 90-day reporting program rolled out because the TM47 database and the TM30 database are combined and when you file an online 90-day report it crossed checks against your last registered address in the TM30 system.
No matter what your immigration office policy is about filing a new TM30, it is apparent from the many online 90 day report denials that if you travel inside Thailand and stay at a place where they register you in the TM 30 online system, when you return to your primary residence you will need to refile or update your tm30 information.
If you don't, your next 90-day report online has a high chance of being rejected.
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Just so everyone is clear that stamp was put in passport when that extension was issued. NOT when they stamped out of Thailand,
It's the stamp that says why the extension was issued and under what police order 327/2557), clause 2.4 is the tourism extension, as you can see by the dates it's a 30 day extension
While I'm sure they did stamp you child's passport when they left Thailand, that wasn't the stamp.
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They are not.. There is no extension available to Cambodian or Burmese when they enter on the 14 day free entry stamp.
They could apply for an extension get denied and the buy the 7 day get out of dodge "extension not approved" stamp for 1900 at the immigration office.
That gives them a week to get out of the country.
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12 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:
Never heard of a limitation for visa-free entry extensions.
I believe the O/P is asking how many 30 day extensions you can get per entry. And that answer is ONE..
I think they are under the false impression that you can get more than one 30 day extension per entry you cannot.
That's why I use the term "1-n-done" .
You can get one 30 day extension per entry.
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It's a one and done sort of thing.
You can get ONE 30 day extension on a visa exempt entry stamp.
then you're done and need to exit/re-enter the country to get a new 30 day visa exempt entry stamp (which you can do two times by land in a calendar year)
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you need to go to a thai consulate in another country and buy a real tourist visa where you'll get stamped in for 60 days when you come back
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19 hours ago, NewishAsianTraveller said:
Tod, you really scared us with your response on FB! Your exact words were a bit rough and caused us quite a lot of anxiety!????
Will let you know on FB when it's all over.
I will freely admit I am blunt, terse, acerbic and coarse in my responses. I'm not trying to be your friend, I'm trying to give you the unvarnished truth as far as what you're plans are and what if any exposure you have trying to execute that plan.
Even the posters on here said entering by land would be a better choice. And all I was doing was pointing out, no matter what you think, 90 days here then bouncing out and back thru Bangkok could open you up to scrutiny.
I have literally hundreds of photos of denial of entry stamps from both suvarnabhumi and don mueang sent by people who contacted me after their plans for a quick bounce out and back went off the rails.
Will it happen to you? Dunno..
Could it happen to you? Most definitely.
Sorry my responses weren't what you wanted to hear.
I was trying to impress upon you there were easier ways to get a new free 30 day visa exempt entry rather than the plan you have. One you cooked up on your own without asking about it until after your bought the tickets..
Could it work without any hiccups?
Certainly could, and you might indeed skate right thru passport control.
As I said, good luck with it, I wasn't trying to fear monger.
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issue of Tourist visas by Savannakhet consulate 2023?
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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It is totally possible to get a tourist visa in Savannakhet, IF you don't have an extensive entry/stay history in your passport.
If you milked 2+ years of covid extensions, have a b/s, back door ED or volunteer visa or took two free visa exempt entries last year and then the two this year already, you may run in to problems.
They also appear to be a "one and done" consulate, if you have a previous recent tourist visa you can't get another one.
They tightened up because they were being hit hard by the visa run companies and some Mondays there'd be over 300 people in line.
You definitely show the funds in a bank account like it says on the website as well.
Word has it Vientiane (which requires à booked online appt to get in the gate, and more stringent requirements) doesn't care about previous entry stay history as much of at all