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the media obviously has some hand in this. You'd have to gather stats from countries all over the world to positively come to any accurate conclusion - incredibly tedious and pointless - however I'd suggest that you would be just wasting your time - the problem is the overall safety record of buses in THailand and what can be done to mitigate the problem

he's just an ignorant know nothing who thinks he disgrees but can't come up with a cherent counter argument so he repeatedly sealions. You information is totally tangential to the point which is that buses and coaches in Thailand are substandard on safety due to inadequate legislation and enforcement. Did you see the tilt tests being tried a few years ago?

Don't tell him,! he's just being a sealion! He's asked these sort of questions on previous threads.

Seriously? What sort of sealioning is that? - Why don't you just ask a direct question? If yu really want to know, look it up!

I love the idea that after every post I make richard_smith237 spends hours delving around Google for information he doesn't understand - he has no idea of the difference between "search" and "research" Firstly he needs to sort out his sources and differentiate between between the 3 internationally recognised forms of injury and also statistics that are gathered regardless of injury - even zero. Apparently he doesn't even see the difference he has no idea of the dept of Transport UK website on road safety statistics or the Thai web sites either. After working in a traffic engineers department as part of my first degree, I had access to many road safety papers and statistics. I've been studying road safety - especially in Thailand for nearly 30 years. I have a huge amount of sources already at my fingertips and have written extensively on it - yes- I've been to conferences on it too. What I find frustrating is a know nothing naively trolling through Goggle to cherrypick pointless arguments when they don't even understand the first thing about motoring and road safety, and the statistics.He doesn't even know who and how they are gathered in Thailand or the processes o interpreting them. This means it's actually impossible to discuss rationally. He seems to think that by contradicting numbers he is in some way putting forward an argument - in fact he he just obfuscating the discussion because he doesn't understand it. THere is no counter argument in inaccurately presenting numbers without comment Yet he goes on to compile a passage of completely irrelevant rubbish why? Just to continue his mindlessly obsessive gainsaying and perpetuating a fundamental misunderstanding of what road safety is. You can can regurgitate as many stats as you like but without any analysis or comprehension he "proves" nothing in this discussion.

Most of these buses and many large commercial vehicles run on CNG, not LPG as the former is promoted by the government as they have virtually no oil of their own.. . Just take a trip down to Rayong to see where it all comes form. Diesel engines need a special conversion to run on gas as it needs a spark to ignite the gas whereas diesel doesn't.

Yes I've been to one of these "workshops" too. however statistically buses are still one of the afest form of road transport in Thailand - of course when they go wrong it tends to be more spectacular and "good news"

completely facile comment. THese buses are normally chartered as group tours - like a charabanc - by a company ior institution - they are part of Thai culture but unfortunately not built to international standards.

How many COLLISIONS are their over year on UK roads...first of all it’s important NOT to look at figures for just 2 classifications of injury or deaths...only the number of collisions / crashes In 2022, there were approximately 333,296 road traffic accidents across Great Britain, averaging over 900 per day. This figure includes all reported collisions, regardless of whether they resulted in injuries or fatalities. It's important to note that not all accidents are reported and the number is actually higher. This is similar to the number in Thailand the estimate averaging around 1,200 incidents per day. This figure encompasses all reported collisions, regardless of whether they resulted in injuries or fatalities. There are of course lies, damned lies and statistics but after studying road safety stats for nearly 30 years one gets to see an overall perspective rather than naively cherry-picking any single set of stats that fits ones expectation – I draw conclusions AFTER studying a range of statistics. The important conclusion to draw is that with similar numbers of crashes, the 3 injury rates (minor, serious, fatal) in Thailand are TWELVE times higher than in the UK. This means that people will always have accidents but it is the severity that varies – this comes largely from engineering factors such as road and vehicle. Another serious factor in Thailand is also the emergency services from first responder to hospitals.

As I keep saying road safety is about mitigating the problems resulting from human error. did you know that Thailand and UK have about the same number of crashes, yet the death rate in UK is one twelfth of that in Thailand? then you revert to talking prejuce again. - " though I doubt that this was his first drunk accident. " - Why? because he's Thai??

Looking at the crash scene. Firstly some assumptions. Assume that the rider was on the main road and hadn’t just joined the road. We can’t tell is the surface was rutted. Or if there was a fault or obsr=tacle on the road There are 3 junctions around that point. A private one on the left A public one on the right and a soi on the right As with many Thai roads the road furniture is very intrusive and close to the road – notably the concrete utility post that would have killed him There is also a lot of promotional lighting along the road which may or may not have been on at the time (3am?) this would have created possible mistaken vision. The edge of the road has concrete gutters that once entered by a motorcycle make it very hard to control and get out of. Looking at your suggestion for a trajectory for the bike, I would say it is almost certain that he was avoiding another vehicle – in poor lighting – either someone coming towards him too near to the centre of the road or possibly a car entering or exiting the road from one of the side entrances. It wouldn’t have to be hit and run even – in the dark the other motorist may have been totally unaware of what happened to the motorcycle. The trouble is that once the human error had occurred, the gully and the concrete lamp post took care of the rest

look where the pole is!!

absolutely totally uninformed.

There will always be drunk drivers and bad drivers in every country, so what does real road safety entail? The science of road safety encompasses a multidisciplinary approach that applies scientific principles to understand and mitigate the factors contributing to road accidents and injuries. This includes analysing and understanding various factors – it seems that most contributors to this thread have no idea what they are….. Firstly data analysis and epidemiology; the study of accident data to identify patterns, trends, and risk factors associated with road crashes. This includes analysing factors such as driver behaviour, road conditions, vehicle types, and environmental conditions….and the bend where this crash took place. One looks objectively – not racially – at the human factors – e.g. how human behaviour, cognition, perception, and decision-making influence driving performance and safety outcomes. This includes studying aspects like driver fatigue, distraction, impairment (due to alcohol, drugs, or medication), and psychological factors. Not just simply claimimng it as a cut and dry explanation. Engineering and Infrastructure on Thai roads leave a lot to be desired. They fail to apply even basic engineering principles to design safer roads, intersections, and infrastructure. This involves considerations such as road geometry, signage, traffic signals, lighting, barrier systems, and pedestrian/cyclist facilities. The total ignorance of this aspect is well demonstrated by certain contributors on this thread and others. Because they’ve never heard of it, they think it doesn’t exist – flat earthers to a man! Vehicle Design and Technology plays a part especially in Thailand which has a deadly mix of vehicles that perform poor in safety specifications. Proper Assessment of vehicle safety features and technologies and road design can prevent or mitigate the severity of crashes. This includes advancements in vehicle crashworthiness, active safety systems (e.g., ABS, ESC), passive safety features (e.g., airbags, seat belts), and emerging technologies like autonomous vehicles. As well as what goes on in terms of road furniture, signs, trees barriers, road surfaces, markings etc. The use of behavioural science and education has a part to play also. Using behavioural science to develop effective education, training, and awareness programs aimed at promoting safer driving behaviours and reducing risk-taking on the road is just non-existent in Thailand. Thailand fails miserably in both Policy and Legislation. The effectiveness of road safety policies, regulations, and enforcement strategies are negligible…. this includes assessing the impact of laws related to speed limits, impaired driving, seat belt use, and mobile phone usage while driving. To effect these in any meaningful way will need a reform of both police and the legal / courts system Road safety is not down to drunk drivers, it is a public health problem. Applying public health principles to prevent road traffic injuries and fatalities involves strategies such as trauma care improvements, emergency medical response systems, and injury prevention programs. All of which are virtually absent in Thailand Until recently no one in Thailand is making use of computer simulation and modelling to predict and analyse potential road safety interventions, infrastructure changes, and their impact on traffic flow and safety. If they did they would be able to identify accurately crash hotspots. At present two organisations, one form Sweden and another from Australia are trying to find and re-design crash hotspots. Overall, the science of road safety integrates knowledge and methodologies from various disciplines to develop evidence-based strategies that can effectively reduce the incidence and severity of road accidents, thereby saving lives and minimizing injuries. I see little evidence of awareness of this on this thread.

Who do you think we are talking about?