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So ‘deaths not at the scene are not counted.” Is a myth - the figures during holidays are released by the police - but they make no claim to them being final figure only angry expat amateurs do that. “Lies, Damned lies and Statistics”- Stats are not facts – tey are aids to understanding and it is how they are interpreted that is important. There are quite a mix of stats available about road safety in Thailand but the ones you usually see in the media are firstly from the Thai police and later from the WHO. The Thai police could almost be dismissed out of hand and the WHO is usually misrepresented by the media as they only quote only the set of stats relating to DEATHS out of 100,000 population. If you want to get an idea of how pathetically incomplete Thai road safety stats are just compare them with a brief look around the UK government web sites - https://roadtraffic.dft.gov.uk/downloads The way statistics are usually gathered is usually governed by internationally recognised methods, but Thailand has had dreadful statistics gathering and collation. Their statistics are incomplete inconsistent and inaccurate – Organisations like the WHO have to try and make sense of them, but in some categories, the statistics simply aren’t available. How they are gathered and applied in Thailand can be very haphazard. Having said that, it is fair to conclude that the stats for Thailand however vague, are genuinely frightening and there is a serious road safety problem in the kingdom. Other collations of statistics may include Deaths per 1 million inhabitants Serious Injuries per 1 million inhabitants Minor injuries per 1 million inhabitants Deaths per 10 billion vehicle-KM Deaths per 100,000 registered vehicles Registered vehicles per 1000 inhabitants Here are some of the main data sources for road safety statistics in Thailand Police Information System (POLIS) - Royal Thai Police Department of Highways (DOH) – Monitors road conditions and accident statistics on national highways. Department of Land Transport (DLT) – Manages vehicle registrations, driver licenses, and safety compliance data. Thai Road Accident Data Center for Road Safety Culture (ThaiRSC) – A key database managed by the DLT, compiling accident reports from multiple agencies. Emergency Medical Institute of Thailand (EMIT) & National Institute for Emergency Medicine (NIEM) – Provides data on injuries and fatalities from road crashes. TRAMS - "Thailand Road Accident Management System," 7. E-Claim - Road Victim Protection Company 8. Injury Surveillance (IS) - Ministry of Public Health 9. Trauma Registry - Ministry of Public Health 10. 19 External Causes of Injury - Ministry of Public Health 11. Information Technology for Emergency Medical System (ITEMS) - Emergency Medical Institute of Thailand 12. Emergency Claim Online (EMCO) - National Health Security Office 13. OP/PP Individual Record - National Health Security Office 14. Death Certificates - Ministry of Interior 15. Public Health Ministry (MOPH) & Bureau of Epidemiology – Tracks road traffic injuries and fatalities through hospital records and death certificates. 16. Road Safety Directing Centre (RSDC) & Thailand Road Safety Committee (TRSC) – Collects and analyses data to improve road safety policies. 17. Academic and Research Institutions – Universities and think tanks conduct studies on traffic accidents and road safety trends. 18. World Health Organization (WHO) & Global Status Reports on Road Safety – Provides international comparisons and estimates for Thailand’s road safety situation. These sources put together, provide a comprehensive view of road safety They are seldom used or even acknowledged by the mainstream media.

only partly right - stat collection in Thailand is very poor but the idea that only deaths at the scene are counted is a myth....as you would see if you knew where and how the stats were gathered

Stray dogs cn only exist so long as there is a food supply.

probably the most unscientific comment you could make.

can anyone explain this? I've never got more than 75mbps off 5G Dtac...

false syllogism - you are actually doing a dunning Kruger.

..nd you think you are the only one who knows that? - You need to listen to John Cleese.

personal anecdote - worthless information - the plural of anecdote is not data.

just reading the climate change deniers on this thread gives you a good impression of their shortcomings - they clack a basic understanding of MMCC - eve trying to argue about what to call it, and cling to simplistic interpretations thinking they. are the only ones who have noticed and and cherry-pick anomalies without realising that this makes them look even more out of touch and lack the skills to either understand or argue against. They need to watch this video by John Cleese on being stupid -

So you realise that in this case the insurance my not have been notified - however they will eventually be making and receiving claims so they will want to get an accurate picture of what went on to protect their company against any claims. THis requires professional accident reports - whether they rely on the police or not is up to them - in most countries a forensic report will have been made that they can work from - they are unlikely to find anything from the scene of the accident much after the event as the evidence will have been cleaned away and destroyed. The unfortunate situation in Thailand is that the companies will have to rely a lot on incomplete "amateurish" police reports. (and of course the hopitals) - the police are used to being overly involved in the judicial roles.

Rubbish and racist.

THe first thing you should do in an incident (if you are physically capable) is call the insurance company - they send an agent to the seen within minutes. THey act as an intermediary between you and other parties.... they also represent the interests of the insurance company. THey are likely to be better at collecting significant evidence too if it is to their advantage. Most motoring stats in Thailand are not collected by the police, they come from insurance companies and hospitals who are more interested in accurate recording of incidents.

A few years ago I was offered a job in Suratthani - I accepted - they then said how do you feel about working on Samui? I didn't realise the job was on the island. I know Samui really well over 20 years but I really didn't want to live there - however as the salary was quite good I accepted the job and lived there for about 3 years. Firstly the idea of living on an island is an anathema to me - having mwt many island dwellers over the years, they all developed some kind of "stir crazy" - they are all expats and slightly weird - in previous jobs I had very limited contact with expats, partly because I was outside tourist areas. Samui however only exists for tourism - it's expensive and even the locals aren't - BTW there is also a Thai mafia there. THe idea of living on Samui without transport makes me shudder - it's not like Pattaya where everywhere is a short (and cheap) baht bus ride - Samui has Songtheaws but they are dearer and don't effectively cover much of the island - there are of course loads of idiots tourists and expats lurching around on scooters I like to tour Thiland so I have a car and make frquent trips apurond th ountry - but on Samui you have the added expense and time (90 minute) of having to use a ferry every time you want to go somewhere

of course you aren't!

No it wasn't, it was just a stupid comment and you are trying to back away from it.