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10 hours ago, david555 said:
More cases to come and not only Asian ones I guess ,as the Thais seems to enjoy their new digital toys and improving to use them .
Maybe now our naughty boys start sweating a little
What I have heard is they can't recognise 'people of colour' whether that's just the European ones that were being tested, I have no idea.
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2 hours ago, monkeycu said:
Corn flour mixed with a little water works fine, assuming you have the flour and don't mind the aftertaste
I will try that one if I do get an attack, maybe a little drop of sprite added would 'make the medicine go down'.
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3 hours ago, BritManToo said:
Has nobody heard of Imodium (Loperamide)?
40bht for a generic pack of ten.
Works every time.
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For sure this will be quickly cleared up by the hospital, it was a genuine mistake by the cashier, one naught too many was accidentally added after the number three.
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1 hour ago, BritManToo said:
1) As previously stated by many, white folk aren't the foreigners who didn't pay their hospital bills.
2) 80% of Thais have never paid income tax.
3) If you've been earning and paying tax in Thailand, why aren't you in the Thai SS scheme?
Well said.
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17 minutes ago, Stevemercer said:I'm surprised that Rooster did not pick up on the statistics offered by the government to justify imposing compulsory insurance on long term OA retirees. In fact, I'm not sure Rooster has thought all this through. He accuses others of flying off the handle, but then does the same.
Apparently there are 38 million long term visas of this type issued, implying that over half of the population in Thailand are foreigners. So obviously the statistics presented are just rubbish.
One suspects that this number includes all tourist visitations. In fact, most skipped medical bills are from tourists crashing their hired scooters, getting run over by speed boats, breaking legs, getting drowned in boat accidents etc. They get treated, discharged and go home (whether alive or dead) without paying their bills. The break down by country of origin shows that most tourists not paying their hospital bills are Chinese.
So why doesn't the government require compulsory medical insurance for tourists who rack up most of the bill (like most countries)? Answer - it might discourage tourists particularly the Chinese.
So they go for an easier option that won't really address the massive hospital bills incurred by tourists.
Why demand compulsory health insurance from 12 month retirees applying from overseas who make up a tiny subset of all visas issued. It is just hype that such people never pay their hospital bills. If you are living in Thailand you have no choice if you want to stay here! In my circle I don't know any expats who have not paid their hospital bills.
Another good honest comment, like you, after many years of living here and before that many years of one month holidays, I have yet to meet a foreigner or be told of one that has skipped paying their bills, of course, the people I mix with are Europeans, never the Chinese or people from neighbouring countries.
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4 hours ago, Guderian said:
Never mind the tens of thousands, or even hundreds of thousands of Baht that many expats retired here plough into the local economy in many ways every year, from supporting their Thai family to using Thai tradespeople, long-term expats invariably pay large amounts of tax here. It's just that most of it is indirect taxation, such as VAT and excise duty on alcohol or cigarettes, rather than direct taxes paid on employment income. What's the difference, at the end of the day it's all money in the bank so that the big children can buy some submarines or tanks to play with. Or does Rooster think that the thousands of Baht the typical retiree pays in VAT and excise duty every month is somehow inferior to the income tax he pays, so that he's fully entitled to Thai state care but nobody else is? Money is money, after all, and nowhere should that be truer than in Thailand.
Well said, and Rooster did have an overlong, bitter rant, must have got some bad news.
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2 hours ago, alant said:
Oh dear, another opportunity for the holier than thou to class all that want a drink as alcoholics and make a sarcastic remark.
True, they just cannot resist a miserable dig.
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2 hours ago, lemonjelly said:
Buddha would’ve let people decide for themselves; this is just another S.E. Asian country that has cnts in uniforms oppressing people.
I will always strictly abide by the laws and cultural ways of any host country I visit,but as you say knowing the ways of Buddhists open gentle ways they would prefer to do it your way, seeing as this country relies heavily on tourism I would have thought it would be more sensible to let the locals do it their way for them, and allow a bit of slack for tourists, ah well no buying alcohol for me, good job I always have a stock, it says 'selling alcohol', what about drinking alcohol ? better not drink for this day, just to be sure. (cough)
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11 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:
Actually I don’t think they will.
As the actual number of OA holders has dropped from 32 million to 80 thousand and some loose change !
Plus of course we all know ( more pure speculation from me I’m afraid) that the hospital absconders were mainly tourists falling off their mc’s or foreigners from nearby Asian countries.
I would think you 'hit the nail on the head' with the bulk of the numbers being from neighboring countries.
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Strange concocted numbers, sounds like they were done by a PR firm for future reasons, apart from the few younger westerners being stretchered into hospitals unconscious when they come to a cropper riding a souped-up very powerful motorbike in areas like Pattaya, and even then what I have heard from people involved is the hospital will most of the time ask for some sort of proof of payment before proceeding, when ninety-nine percent of foreigners visit a hospital, dentist, hotel the normal procedure is the first thing asked for is your passport, which is immediately copied, treatment for my visits have normally been settled after the treatment and before leaving, for my last visit, with a Thai signing as guarantor, they asked for a deposit before carrying out the small op.
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Just a thought with this medical insurance, I don't know if its just my limited experience or I'm mistaken, but when I have seen or heard people use medical insurance(not the two week holiday type) not only will the cost jump up but, also they only cover up to so much of the costs,you or claimant have to cover the rest, and if you do make a claim up shoots the premiums the following year.
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10 hours ago, coxo said:
Health insurance in the form of accident and emergency is ok, as far as outpatient that is just BS.
As you say a fair emergency cover would be fine so that a card could be shown when arriving at a hospital or clinic, with like a car insurance type of 'No Claims' bonus involved, that way it would be a reasonable yearly, monthly payment, then age would not make payments almost impossible, I would think that would keep the Thai authorities happy,then again, not a lot of room for 'maneuvering' cash around.
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3 hours ago, Phuketshrew said:Not seeing the rationale here. Surely it's the older retirees that are more likely to need health insurance rather than the many younger expats married to Thai's (who probably already have health cover anyway).
Younger ones appear to need more medical treatment, and the 'older ones' tend to have a backup(with the 800/400 thousand)which many younger ones don't have, that's what I have noticed anyway.
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3 hours ago, Billy Bloggs said:
So everytime I go for treatment anywhere my passport is copied, so someone is incompetent here as all hospitals have to do is notify immigration, then the person is flagged and either on exit or they report they are held to account. If however its a problem of so many illegals who don't report then they have a bigger problem than people not paying at hospitals.
Exactly, well said.
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22 minutes ago, edwinchester said:That is insane price gouging. 2000 bht for the whole course of injections at a local clinic here in Kanchanaburi and that included cleaning and dressing the wound.
Some years ago when I found out I would need an operation quickly I did the rounds(Pattaya area) after finding out, I began with Bangkok hospital because they are known to be the best, they wanted as an estimated a start off for over one hundred thousand, I did other hospitals with tests(all paid for) it ranged from one hundred to seventy odd thousand as an estimated price, I eventually took some good advice from a Thai lady to go to a hospital near her home(Korat) that she had used and had a good name and she volunteered to take me, I was impressed as soon as I walked in, the doctor( that has done one other smaller op since, plus sorted out other problems for me over the years) got me to have an x-ray and said the same as all the other Doctors, and advised me to get it done soon,he nicely said up to you where,I asked for an estimate so he sent me to the office, when I got the estamate I said okay, I was immideatly sorted with the usual tests and on the table within the hour, fantastic treatment and not one problem, it cost just over twenty thousand Baht.
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14 minutes ago, Eligius said:This is all part of the Giant Lie that is present-day Thailand.
As if 'foreigners' are bleeding the hospitals of this country dry. What a load of baloney.
Compared with the huge, massive, ENORMOUS amount of corruption and larceny on the side of certain oligarchical tranches of Thai society - who are robbing the Thai people blind, day in, day out - the few unpaid bills by a few foreigners in Thailand is a drop in the ocean.
This is all about squeezing yet more money out of foreigners - or kicking them out of Thailand altogether.
Do people not understand what extreme nationalism leads to? Thai ultra-nationalists are no lovers of the West or its peoples - only their money. Without that, the strident cry is ' get the hell out of here' (never mind that you have worked here for decades and have a Thai family) ...
Good post, and sums up the way the top Thais are going, funny how it has really begun to bite in the last few years.
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4 minutes ago, Brickbat said:
No vagueness about this , as many claim. It’s pay up or ship out. Bye Bye farangs. This is the end of the road for Thailand as a cheap retirement destination.
And I don’t blame them. It’s clear as hell. Cheap farangs don’t pay their hospital bills. So stop complaining!
Sounds like you have received medical treatment and not paid, for the many times I have visited hospitals,clinics I have always paid my bill, for one operation it was even lower than the estimate they gave me before my operation, I did get an operation some years ago before payment,but my Thai lady signed a piece of paper as guarantor, for the last one they asked for a deposit plus a Thai guarantor, and I find it difficult to understand what foreigners get treatment for free, even Thais pay, their 'ten Bhat card' only gets limited treatment, and that is not for foreigners to use.
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9 minutes ago, The Theory said:
“According to Nattawuth, the new rule applies to both new applicants for the non-immigrant visa (O-A), which offers a stay of up to one year, and those wishing to renew their visa. Each renewal is valid for one year.“
I does not mention non-O
Thank you for that information, cleared it up for me.
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3 minutes ago, jesimps said:
You'll probably get it anyway. I read recently that the hospitals have given up checking the passports of health tourists. Too much work. I'd imagine a Brit with an NHS number will have no problem bluffing his way in.
I think what happens(if you have not destroyed your passport, as many new arrivals do) your NHI number plus your passport details would be asked for, even for emergency treatment you stand a very good chance of receiving an over-inflated bill, could do a runner as many do, but for me that is not the option I would choose, what I have always jokingly said is if I'm forced to return back to the UK it would be on the back of a lorry passport-free, catch and load up onto an EU returning lorry in the UK would do the trick, and 'No speak da Anglish' that way you will be guaranteed shelter, food and accommodation.
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1 minute ago, The Theory said:
It must be just for O-A visa. Those who got no 800,000 in bank or no monthly transfer.
Is it really, I misunderstood the 'O' visa part then.
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2 minutes ago, fforest1 said:ITS NOT POSSIBLE FOR FARANGS to skip out of paying major medical bills in Thailand because they will not do any thing major here unless money is payed up front.......
The farang deadbeat bill payers is a COMPLETE LIE...
But insurance companys love to repeat the lie over and over in hopes of a huge scamming mandatory insurance pay day.....Oink Oink said the pigs at the trough.....
Yes, it's looking like the Banks are in cohorts with the insurance companies(same thing, and no doubt a lump going to other places) looking for some quick cash, silly really because that's short term thinking, many of us will either not be able to afford the insurance they want or unavailable because of age,and not only will the 800 thousand go from their banks, so would the cash spent on a daily basis.
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12 minutes ago, Speedo1968 said:I have visited / lived in Thailand on business for more than 20 years
I spent 10 years working full time in this country for a Thai company paying a tax rate of around 35%. At the end of the contract I left as is the Thai law, returning one week later to live the rest of my life here.
No free hospital neither local in / outpatients or private in / outpatients. I paid all my bills.
Having had Parkinson's for many years and many TIA's and a number of strokes due to work stress, I paid my hospital bills here. ( My current health status is very good but have already been tared by the brush when it comes to trying to get insurance ).
If I compare the hospital treatment I received here with that of the UK, Thailand wins.
It took over an hour to get an ambulance when I had a bad TIA in the UK compared with 10 minutes here, local hospitals closed in UK.
How easy is it to get to see a GP in the UK, from my experience very difficult, then if you are lucky you get 5 minutes with the GP who often desn't listen to you about things like drug allergies.
Dentist, same story regarding getting an appointment.
I started work in 1961 when I was 15 and spent most of the time since 1968 working in other countries, eventually not through choice but, I was deemed 'too' experienced to be given a job in the UK.
Classed as 'non- resident' in the UK I will have to pay medical bills there.
With my previous health problems I would be unable to get medical insurance in the UK, or for anywhere else.
I tried twice in the UK to get rented accommodation ( 2011 and 2014 ) but have no credit rating, despite having the same bank accounts for 40 years, so its 6 months rent or more upfront.
The money I spend here in one month would not even cover one months electric / gas bill in the UK.
To try and regain my UK residence status will mean at least 3 months of rented / hotel accommodation.
I am sure there are many others perhaps in a similar situation as mine who have come to see Thailand as their 'home' whether married or not, whether they are of good health or not, whether money is an issue or not.
I live alone and am now in much better health
Given a choice as a person on low income I would prefer the UK if it were possible to live near my children / grandchildren, unfortunately I am priced out of that market in all ways imaginable.
Perhaps my local immigration will be understanding as I have always retained my retirement visa deposit, if not then its border hopping if it's possible or, facing a miserable and cold existence in the UK with a guaranteed early demise.
For those who have posted 'good riddance' to us poor older people have a little heart for this is our home ( for whatever reason ) and we may not be as young as you.
Well said, and yes it's looking like the Thai top dogs want us oldies gone, like you I have paid for all the good treatment I have received with the Thai hospitals and clinics, and in the same sort of predicament as you insofar as returning to the UK for a much earlier demise, wait until I tell my good Thai lady what the Thai authorities want, looks like my days are over here,and try and time it to return to the UK springtime and maybe I will get a rented place in the UK and return as a short stayer, don't know how long I can do the ever increasingly difficult airplane trips though.
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7 hours ago, gk10002000 said:
Indeed. So more paperwork because some people abused the system. So one will have to show something in advance when first getting the visa and later when applying for the extension. So many issues will arise. If somebody was moving there and planned to get a policy while in Thailand, but doesn't have one yet. Addresses to put on forms will not exist yet. Oh what a mess. And the approval or validation of existing and proper insurance? Goodness. The Thais and some embassies can't even agree on the income methods, types of income, verification, etc.
So true, I'm trying to work out the part where the thai officials say it's also to stop the
7 hours ago, quandow said:I did two inquiries at the website provided. Typical Thai
inefficiency. Can't get a straight answer or quote, not even a ballpark price.I'm still trying to work out the part where the Thai officials say it's to help out with the financial burden side for foreigners and some that don't pay, I have always paid for treatment and now usually with a deposit up front for a large payment that would be due, and with Thai as a guarantor, like to see someone skip paying and see how far they get.
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Foreigner charged with using fake passport, thanks to face recognition system
in Thailand News
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Same here, apparently that's where tons of them come/came from.