tonboy

Just now, FritsSikkink said:

I am not angry but I am wasting my time as you don't want to listen.

my initial question was : " I would appreciate any tips how to start up suchs company and off course the neccessary WP's"

 If you do not have any tips on how to start, please do yourself a pleasure and not wast your time by asking my to listen to an useless conversation from you

Just now, DrTuner said:

I take it you're willing to work for 300b per day? Since the price is the #1 deciding factor here. Everybody is used to getting bad workmanship, so at least you need to get it done cheaply.

 

BKK central districts might be the only exception. Different world.

Again, I do not agree. 300 baht a day is only for losers. And my market is not the Thai, but mainly the expats that are fed up with thai companies and quality. And believe me, there are a lot of them around. 40.000 already only in the province of Chiang Mai.

We not only will make profit on the work, also on materials. Off course work and material of high quality. High quality material do exist in Thailand, only not at HomePro and so on.
A couple of months ago 2 people came in and installed CCTV. they have quoted 3000 baht for installation only. They finished this job within 2 hours. And I must say they did a good job.  

23 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Not by a farang but what ever, start your company, do the work and get deported and blacklisted if you know better.

little hostile maybe, why so angry ?
I do not know better, that is why I ask advice and want to be prepared when talking to a lawyer and the government

40 minutes ago, khunPer said:

Not me making the rules, I'm just telling you what I know, and from my own experience.

And I appreciate this, thanks.

I am aware how to start up a normal co.ltd, in fact my thai wife just started up one (export).

And I am dutch. 

Anyway, conclusion according to the above is : not possible.

But, where there is a will, there is a way.

Laws are only guidelines. I think if I can get the labour office convinced that this startup is a good thing for many young people to learn a profession, hopefully they will grant us work permits

2 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

For teaching you need a school, not working on other peoples property.

I do not agree.
In Europe you have companies, like bakeries, cooking schools, technical companies that actually have a department where you learn on the go. Hell, even in Thailand 90% of the car mechanics learns the job in the garage they work. 

2 minutes ago, khunPer said:

but you cannot (legally) do physical construction work, don't even think you can be foreman on a project 

With technical jobs it is impossible to teach somebody how to cut a pipe, lay bricks, mix cement, operate a machine, WITHOUT showing them first how to do this. Impossible. 

5 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Construction is a forbidden job for you, so you can't teach them on the job. You can only be a manager. 

I will not being the actual construction, only the teaching. And for that I need to show them how. And teaching is not forbidden I think ?

On 3-11-2017 at 1:24 PM, khunPer said:

You will as a beginning need to establish a Thai company limited with 3-4 million baht shareholder capital and 8 Thai employees, to obtain 2 Work permits for aliens (farangs).

Well, here is the story of the chicken and the egg, who will be first ?

We will not be able to pay 8 thai employees as long as we do not have enough work for them. We will not have enough work for them, as long as at least not one of us is involved for the management, teaching and support of the work. And we will also have to teach them first how to work. And the other will have to find find work for them. For both jobs we need workpermits. 

Find customers that will pay the price for skilled workmanship will according to me be not the biggest problem. Furthermore, we will not be much more expensive. Building smarter, faster, and better will save money for us and the customer.

this is what I use, works perfect:

https://www.lazada.co.th/new-painted-silver-oxford-cloth-automatic-drum-washing-machinecover-waterproof-sunscreen-sets-washer-amp-dryer-parts-ampaccessories-size-s-intl-29349782.html?spm=a2o4m.order-details.0.0.3ecb5f0dqjqiph

On 17-10-2017 at 1:03 AM, Gulfsailor said:

The problem is that after you invested all this time in them, they leave to take better paid employment elsewhere. So unless they pay you to be taught, I can't see how you can make money on this.

Skilled workers are sought after in Thailand and do earn good money. The problem is that we all expect workers at Western standards for Thai minimum wage. Just not possible.

 

That is exactly the point. After they stayed and learned with us for a year, they will be skilled enough to get a decent payed job. And yes, we will learn them the Western standards. In the mean time they will earn something like 9000-12000 baht a month. 

I am convinced it will not be a problem to find orders for the company. Whenever I speak to expats, they always complain about the Thai standards and are prepared to pay extra to get somebody up to western standards. 

In Holland the law is that cars before 1973 do not need to have seatbelts installed. How about Thailand ?

26 minutes ago, Gulfsailor said:

The problem is that after you invested all this time in them, they leave to take better paid employment elsewhere. So unless they pay you to be taught, I can't see how you can make money on this.

Skilled workers are sought after in Thailand and do earn good money. The problem is that we all expect workers at Western standards for Thai minimum wage. Just not possible.

 

that is exactly the idea, they will be with us maybe 1 year and then move on. Knowing that they have learned enough to make a decent living. 

Living now in Chiang Mai almost one year I am sick of thai workmen.

They do not have the right tools, they are never in time for an appointment, always have to come back to finish the job, do deliver low-quality work, and so on and so on. It is not only me but almost every falang I meet has the same problem.

One of the reasons will be the absolute unprofessional companies that do repairs and maintenance. Most of them who work for private people are very small, do not have enough income to get to a high standard and furthermore, did not have had any reel technical education. They learn as they go...

Together with a dutch mate I would like to start up a company that do maintenance and repair for house and shop owners. In the same time we want to get 2 up to 4 younger people to teach the aspects of the maintenance and repair bussiness. So bassicaly teach them how to fix plumbings, electrical issues, lighting, sewer, water, windows, doors, roofs and so on. One of us will go with them to the job and teach them "on the go", the other one will do the aquisition.

I would appreciate any tips how to start up suchs company and off course the neccessary WP's

49 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

According to quite a few posts on TvisaF all of the above is work and could, and probably is considered illegal?

 

What is your take on this Tonboy?

Again, and I will specify, nowhere in the new laws is talked about work but rather employment:

Draconic penalties on unlawful foreigner work in Thailand
On 22 of June 2017, an Emergency Decree had been issued. Main topics are as follows:
If an employer employs a foreigner to work at a foreigner forbidden position, such employer is fined with 400,000-800,000 Baht per employed foreigner.
If an employer allows a foreigner to work in excess of the work stipulated into the work permit he is fined with not more than 400,000 Baht per 1 employed foreigner.
If a foreigner works without having a work permit or work at a foreigner forbidden position, he/she is imprisoned not more than 5 years, fined with 2,000-100,000 Baht or both.
If a foreigner works on an urgent and essential nature work without acknowledgment of the officer (form WP-10), he is fined with not more than 100,000 Baht.
If a foreigner works in excess of the work as described in the work permit, he/she is imprisoned not more than 6 months, fined with not more than 100,000 Baht or both.
If a person deceives that he/she can bring a foreigner to work with a domestic employer without a work permit, he/she is imprisoned 3-10 years, fined 600,000-1,000,000 Baht, or both.
Any person operating as a foreigner job agency without a license, he/she is imprisoned for 1-3 years, fined 200,000-600,000 Baht, or both.

17 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

' And there is virtually no work that 'westerners' can do without a work permit.

In these posting you are talking always about work (in Thailand). But in fact the Thai law states "Employment (prohibited)".
To me there is a big difference. Employment is if you have an agreement or contract with a company or other person (in Thailand) to work for him. Clearly stated in the law that this is prohibited. But if you work on your own house, or for a company outside Thailand, does this also fit the definition of Employment in Thailand ?

1 hour ago, jeab1980 said:

Its illegal to smoke in petrol stations  its still done by many with no penalties. Its illegal to drink and drive but done by many with no penalties. Whats concidered illegal in thailand is often given only lip service. Got it now

the problem is that for those kind of illegal activities you get a fine, if you get cought when you are employed without a working permit, you loose your visa as well as you are banned for a lot of years.

I am using Google maps all the time. I have installed an Android multimedia system in my car, with GPS. This bigger gps sensor is more exact than the ones used in mobile phones. Even in Cities like Chiang Mai and Bangkok never have loss of signal. This Android system give much nore advantages like spotify, youtube, dvd. In fact all apps out of the google play store can be installed.

According to my information you can even stay 1 year after last entry before the visa ends.

So if you come back August 6, you still get one year of permanent stay in Thailand. 
So was told to me by some other expats.
I have a Multiple entry Non-immigrant O-A visa, but that should be not different, or is it ?

you should really look at the step-down period for your offence : https://www.acro.police.uk/uploadedFiles/Content/Bureau/Guidance/Retention20of20Records06.pdf 
 

2 hours ago, MrKFC said:

They just transferred the car license because my US license is valid, 305 baht.

 

Needed to make photocopies of my passport, residency certificate and US license and there's a guy who does it there, it's cheap and easy.

So, if you have a driverlicense already (in my case a valid till 2026 Dutch carlicense) , you do not have to do any tests ?
I will be in CM from March 20 onwards, have a O-A (year) Visa, so can easily get this Thai car-license ?