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4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Aamer Anwar has never represented Shamima Begum. However, he did advocate that she should be brought back to the UK and face prosecution.

Aamer Anwar represented the family of Aqsa Mahmood, the first UK ISIS bride who helped recruit Shamima Begum and two other girls to join ISIS.   As @NanLaewstated,  he did indeed speak in favor of Begum's return to the U.K.  Aqsa Mahmood is believed to have been killed in 2019 in an ISIS war zone. 

 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-29048536

The BBC's  denunciations of antisemitism ring hollow- very hollow- when none of its employees are held accountable for a string of antisemitic comments and content.  There were sometimes "investigations" into particularly egregious incidents, but those investigations seemed to take months and no one is ever fired because of them.

That's what has to change.  BCC employees have to know that severe consequences will follow if they allow antisemitic content to be broadcast.  We can all imagine how many heads would have rolled if the BBC had broadcast a chant of "Death, death to the IRA" or "Death, death to the ANC"  (African National Congress, a South African political party known for its open antisemitism).  Everyone from the Chairman on down to summer interns would have lost their jobs or be forced to resign.

Slurs against Jews aren't treated as seriously as slurs against other races/religions/ethnic groups, which in itself is a hallmark of antisemitism.

On 7/5/2025 at 3:21 AM, Magictoad said:

she referred to the IDF as " The Jewish Defence League".

Like many others on the left, Diane Abbot claims to be anti-Zionist but that's simply a mask for deep-seated antisemitism.  She has a long history of making embarrassing  (for her personally and Labour) comments about Jews.  While her beliefs line up well with those of Corbyn and Sultana,  Abbot carries the risk of once again expressing contempt or hatred for Jews.

It will be crucial for Sultana's new party to publicly hold to the false distinction it is anti-Zionist but not antisemitic.  Given her past gaffes, Abbot won't be much help in that respect. 

Diane Abbott brands IDF ‘the Jewish Defence Force’

Calls for Labour to remove whip from Hackney North and Stoke Newington MP after ‘latest in long line of anti-Jewish offences’

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/07/01/labour-diane-abbott-brands-idf-the-jewish-defence-force/

On 7/3/2025 at 11:51 PM, Bkk Brian said:

In this case, who in particular was terrorised by the acts carried out by this group?

 

Which act and case are you talking about, there have been dozens this soon to be terrorist group have taken part in.

By attacking military aircraft, Palestine Action has made the government of the U.K. and its people the target of terrorism.  There's a huge difference between destroying the engines of RAF planes and spray-painting slogans on corporate offices.

But in the past, Jews in the U.K. have felt terrorized by PA attacks on Jewish-owned businesses. The fact that PA calls for the destruction of the state of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews has also psychologically terrorized the U.K.'s Jews.  Palestine Action is explicitly antisemitic.

Jewish business in Stamford Hill targeted by Palestine Action

Shomrim, the Jewish neighbourhood security organisation, said: “Jewish businesses in Stamford Hill targeted overnight. Windows and doors were smashed, graffiti sprayed, and the premises left with extensive damage.”

Shomrim also shared a CCTV video of the incident, stating that “three masked males carried out the attack in the early hours of the morning” and that “Palestine Action proudly claimed responsibility for this criminal harassment of Jewish owned properties.”

https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/jewish-business-in-stamford-hill-targeted-by-palestine-action/

Should a party led by Corbyn and Sultana ever gain power,  every Jew, from the Rothschilds on down, will  probably leave the U.K.  That's why Israel is needed as a homeland and refuge when Jews are oppressed in their countries of birth,

What we know about Zarah Sultana’s new left-wing political party and Jeremy Corbyn’s role

When it comes to foreign policy, the party is likely to have a strong emphasis on supporting Palestine, after Ms Sultana accused the government of being an “active participant in genocide”.

She also claimed both Sir Keir and Nigel Farage “smear people of conscience trying to stop a genocide in Gaza as terrorists”. It comes just days after Ms Sultana voted against a motion to proscribe Palestine Action as a terror organisation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zarah-sultana-jeremy-corbyn-political-party-labour-b2782532.html

1 hour ago, transam said:

Will the Party be called, IRA-ish..............😬

Or HAMASing UK

With Corbyn and Sultana leading the new party, it is certain to be antisemitic.

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1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s all over the news! Do your own homework! 

You mean, "It's all over the Iranian news!"  I asked for a credible source.

2 hours ago, candide said:

They have allocated their aid budgets to other projects (or to a part of projects shared with usaid)  and already started to finance them. And the projects they are financing also need that money.

 

And a large number of them proportionally pay more than the US did.

That's true, but it still doesn't stop other nations from taking over from the U.S., especially on a five-year basis.  I was responding to the estimate in The Lancet that 14 million preventable deaths would occur by 2030 if the U.S. cuts foreign aid spending by 83%.  That's only true if no one else provides the aid as the U.S. would have.  It may not be considered "fair" because other countries already give more foreign aid per capita than the U.S., but it's not impossible for them to do so and thereby save those 14 million people.

10 hours ago, candide said:

On this matter as on several others, a key issue is the sudden change of policy.

 

There is absolutely no way alternative solutions may be found and implemented quickly. For the people who were relying on it to survive, they may just die.

 

That is not true at all.  The U.S. is far from the only country in the world with a foreign aid program.  Most of the U.S. aid to Kenya is channeled through businesses, NGOs, charities and local groups.  Basically, the U.S. pays the bills but it doesn't actively distribute the aid.   There's no major obstacle for another country, international organization or relief group to step in and fill the breach. The Arab petro-states, the EU and individual European countries as well as Japan, China, Australia, South Korea and others have plenty of money.  Let them take over from the U.S.  Many of those countries already have aid programs in Kenya. Just expand them.

2 hours ago, connda said:

What really happened at Glastonbury

That is truly a misleading title.  It has virtually nothing to do with what happened at the music festival.  Only a few seconds of the video feature scenes from Glastonbury.  The rest is the usual Hamas- Al Jazeera hodgepodge of the IDF attacking terrorist targets in Gaza.

Basically, the narrator, a rapper called Lowkey (real name Kareem Dennis), is trying to justify Bobby Vylan's death chants as something positive.  His message is that members of the IDF deserve to die.

Dennis has a long history of using anti-Jewish slurs in his raps.

Thank you for your prompt answers.  They have raised a few more questions on my part.

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Sure thing. 
good Israeli-an Israeli  who like most civilized people values life, peace loving, respects humanity, and equality
Zionist- ethno-supremacist, expansionist, regional domination aspirations.  

The crucial question is then "Who gets to decide which Israelis are good and which are Zionists?"  Is it the Iranian government?  Hamas? The Arab League?  Who?

Of course a different definition of Zionist than yours is possible.   I would define a Zionist as someone who believes in a sovereign national homeland where Jews can live in security from antisemitism.  Under that definition, probably 99% of Israel's Jews and a great many Jews outside Israel are Zionist.

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

where?-most of them are immigrants from Europe and hold citizenships of other countries. Incidentally a lot have left already and if it wasn’t for closing the borders we’d see a mass exodus of them. 

About 80% of Israel's current Jewish population was both in Israel.  If an Israeli-born Jew is a Zionist, where would he be sent?  And about half of all Israeli Jews are descended from ancestors who were kicked out of Arab countries.  Where would they be sent?  Estimates of the number of Israeli Jews with dual nationality range from 460,000 to 770,000, or roughly  6% to 10% of the country's 7.7 million Jews.

In fact, the vast majority of Israeli Jews have nowhere else to go.  That's why they fight so hard to defend their homeland.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h100a9e0yxl

https://welcome-israel.com/blog/how-many-israelis-have-dual-citizenship

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Incidentally a lot have left already and if it wasn’t for closing the borders we’d see a mass exodus of them. 

Why do you think the borders are closed to Israel's citizens, whether Jewish or any other religion?  Israeli citizens are free to come and go as they please.  In 2024, about 83,000 Jews are estimated to have emigrated from Israel. That's slightly over 1% of Israel's Jewish population. That's hardly run-away flight.   https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-31/ty-article/.premium/israels-population-growth-slows-as-emigration-soars-with-83-000-leaving-in-2024/00000194-1cf3-db03-a1f6-1cfb5dcf0000

23 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

good stuff-they started unloading drones and old misslies to overwhelm the irons dome. In the last couple of days they unloaded second tier stuff. The good stuff is yet to come. If it wasn’t for not wanting to lose international support and possibility of direct USA intervention they could’ve flattened Israel. It’s basically two major cities. Not hard to do. 

You are seriously over-estimating Iran's military capabilities and the ease with which Israel could be defeated.  For 77 years, Israel has stood against 500,000 Arabs and 1.4 billion Muslim's, all of whom want to destroy the homeland of the world's Jews.  This article gives background on the relative military strength of Iran and Israel:  

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-militaries-mideast-us-613e71aff67f6e1701981583bf699bc6

Iran's leaders should already know, but perhaps need to be reminded, never again is now.

Some posters seem to have poor reading comprehension. The opening sentence of this thread's OP states his remarks were made BEFORE this year's Glastonbury Festival (my bold text),  This criticism wasn't specifically aimed at Bob Vylan's death chants.

16 hours ago, Social Media said:

Oasis legend Noel Gallagher has criticised the Glastonbury Festival, calling it “woke” and “preachy” in a candid podcast interview recorded ahead of this year’s event. Speaking with podcaster Matt Morgan, Gallagher expressed frustration with what he sees as increasing political posturing on the festival’s stages.

That interview was quite old, going back 12 months.  You can read the same quotes from Gallagher in the OP as in this article in The Sun, dated  July 4, 2024.

GASTO BLASTO   Noel Gallagher launches blistering attack on ‘woke’ Glastonbury and renews feud with rockstar frontman

NOEL Gallagher had a storming time at Glastonbury – but he couldn’t help taking aim at other punters.

The High Flying Birds frontman moaned that virtue-signalling has taken over the festival — with acts making statements about Palestine’s conflict with Israel and Banksy’s migrant dinghy ­protest during the Idles set.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/28973908/noel-gallagher-slams-glastonbury-woke/

This article from the Guardian,  also a year old, gives more background on the "wokeness" of Glastonbury:

Noel Gallagher says Glastonbury is ‘a bit woke now’ and criticises political musicians

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/05/noel-gallagher-oasis-glastonbury-is-woke-political-musicians

It was more "wokeness" in general than support for Hamas that seemed to have pissed off Gallagher in that interview.  He opposed the politicizing of musical performances.  Several groups and artists at the 2024 Glastonbury Festival expressed support for Ham-  I mean Palestinians- including chants of "Free Palestine."  That didn't result in any major outcry from political or religious leaders.

Bobby Vylan  (Pascal Robinson-Foster)  got slammed because he led the crowd in death chants and gave an antisemitic tirade   His blatant antisemitism, not his support of Palestinians, resulted in all the condemnation.  It's unclear what opinion Noel Gallagher has on the Gaza conflict, although he has supported a charity that provides aid to Palestinian children.

Support for Palestinians is the rule, not the exception, in the U.K.  When this support, however misplaced and naive, turns into raw antisemitic attack, there still, thankfully, will be a sharp negative reaction from some influential voice.  However, Gallagher was NOT condemning antisemitism  in that old interview.

11 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Next time they may pull out the good stuff and really send the Zionist fleeing back to where they came from leaving the good Israelis to run their country. 

What distinguishes "good Israelis" from "Zionists?"  I hope you're not thinking about "good Israelis" in the same way as Gen. Philip Sheridan is said to have referred to "good Indians,"  Where is it that Zionists would flee to that they came from?  What is the "good stuff" Iran may pull out?

Can you put two and two together to answer my questions?

43 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Showing naivety when asking for source regarding Mosad operations. Put two and two together.

I'm showing skepticism over there being "absolutely zero doubt" (my bold text) on the basis of one poster's opinion alone.  I wondered if anyone outside the Iranian press agreed with that assessment.  I'm also skeptical that you will come up with four when you "put two and two together."  Sounds more like it will be three or five, considering there's no evidence to back your "analysis."

3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

There’s absolutely zero doubt that the guy gave Israel all the information they needed to attack their nuclear facilities and now they cry for Iran to continue to let them in so they can get more information out of them!

If you honestly believe the only way the Mossad could get information on Iran's nuclear is through Grossi and the IAEA, then you are the one who is naive.  Preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear arms is crucial to the survival of Israel and its people.  The Mossad will devote all its considerable resources to obtaining whatever information is needed towards that end.

Here's the reaction of the U.K.'s  Chief Rabbi on X to the Glastonbury death chants and the BBC's response.  If anyone can be an expert on the dangers of antisemitism, it is Sir Ephraim Mirvis.   He nailed it.  For every British subject, this is indeed a "time of national shame."

https://x.com/chiefrabbi/status/1939806434444583201

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

He apparently handed over data including names of scientists to Mosad which resulted in the murder of scientists and their families. At the very least he should be investigated. If allegations are true he’s responsible for their murder. 

   The Mossad didn't need Grossi to tell them the names of Iran's nuclear scientists.  They just had to read newspapers and magazines. The men who were assassinated held very visible positions.  Most were academics attached to various universities or institutes.  Some edited scientific journals.  Iran made no attempt to conceal the identities of nuclear scientists and technicians.

4 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

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I didn't say people who support a Palestinian state are gullible, I said people who fall for anti-Israel propaganda are gullible. For over two thousand years, people have fallen for antisemitic lies.  The anti-Israel propaganda we see every day is merely the latest manifestation of the world's oldest hatred.

The following paragraph perfectly summarizes what is so wrong about the Glastonbury death chants and hate speech:

"Once tolerant and decent Britain is a place where incitement to riot over Southport will rightly result in the full force of the law being brought to bear, while you can stand on a stage at Glastonbury and lead scenes reminiscent of a Nuremberg rally without facing much more than expressions of disapproval."

I am alive because my ancestors realised Jews were in danger. Britain is nearly there

The rest of the article explains why antisemitism has become a major concern for Britain's Jews.  I hope everyone who expresses sympathy for Palestinians reads it and realizes why their ill-founded support is so dangerous.

13 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You have to give the Palestinians people props for running an effective decades long propaganda program.  
 

People buy their BS hook line and sinker.

Let me fix the second sentence for you.  Gullible, uninformed "people buy their BS hook, line and sinker." People who have a basic understanding of the history of the Middle East won't be taken in by Palestinian propaganda.

Bob Vylan is catching it heavily.   The U.S. State Dept. has revoked their visas for their autumn U.S. tour and their agent has dropped them.

I hope this prompts them  to rethink their antisemitism.  They deserve to be punished for injecting hatred of Jews into a musical performance.

"Meanwhile, a source confirms to The Hollywood Reporter that United Talent Agency has dropped Bob Vylan following the controversy."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/bob-vylan-visas-revoked-dropped-uta-glastonbury-1236302748/

17 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That was ai, copy n paste, so no, i dont have an answer to a bot, if i see you contribute more often i might

That was definitely not copy and paste.  I don't know why you believe that.  I do know why you would say it.