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Should a party led by Corbyn and Sultana ever gain power,  every Jew, from the Rothschilds on down, will  probably leave the U.K.  That's why Israel is needed as a homeland and refuge when Jews are oppressed in their countries of birth,

What we know about Zarah Sultana’s new left-wing political party and Jeremy Corbyn’s role

When it comes to foreign policy, the party is likely to have a strong emphasis on supporting Palestine, after Ms Sultana accused the government of being an “active participant in genocide”.

She also claimed both Sir Keir and Nigel Farage “smear people of conscience trying to stop a genocide in Gaza as terrorists”. It comes just days after Ms Sultana voted against a motion to proscribe Palestine Action as a terror organisation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/zarah-sultana-jeremy-corbyn-political-party-labour-b2782532.html

1 hour ago, transam said:

Will the Party be called, IRA-ish..............😬

Or HAMASing UK

With Corbyn and Sultana leading the new party, it is certain to be antisemitic.

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1 hour ago, pacovl46 said:

It’s all over the news! Do your own homework! 

You mean, "It's all over the Iranian news!"  I asked for a credible source.

2 hours ago, candide said:

They have allocated their aid budgets to other projects (or to a part of projects shared with usaid)  and already started to finance them. And the projects they are financing also need that money.

 

And a large number of them proportionally pay more than the US did.

That's true, but it still doesn't stop other nations from taking over from the U.S., especially on a five-year basis.  I was responding to the estimate in The Lancet that 14 million preventable deaths would occur by 2030 if the U.S. cuts foreign aid spending by 83%.  That's only true if no one else provides the aid as the U.S. would have.  It may not be considered "fair" because other countries already give more foreign aid per capita than the U.S., but it's not impossible for them to do so and thereby save those 14 million people.

10 hours ago, candide said:

On this matter as on several others, a key issue is the sudden change of policy.

 

There is absolutely no way alternative solutions may be found and implemented quickly. For the people who were relying on it to survive, they may just die.

 

That is not true at all.  The U.S. is far from the only country in the world with a foreign aid program.  Most of the U.S. aid to Kenya is channeled through businesses, NGOs, charities and local groups.  Basically, the U.S. pays the bills but it doesn't actively distribute the aid.   There's no major obstacle for another country, international organization or relief group to step in and fill the breach. The Arab petro-states, the EU and individual European countries as well as Japan, China, Australia, South Korea and others have plenty of money.  Let them take over from the U.S.  Many of those countries already have aid programs in Kenya. Just expand them.

2 hours ago, connda said:

What really happened at Glastonbury

That is truly a misleading title.  It has virtually nothing to do with what happened at the music festival.  Only a few seconds of the video feature scenes from Glastonbury.  The rest is the usual Hamas- Al Jazeera hodgepodge of the IDF attacking terrorist targets in Gaza.

Basically, the narrator, a rapper called Lowkey (real name Kareem Dennis), is trying to justify Bobby Vylan's death chants as something positive.  His message is that members of the IDF deserve to die.

Dennis has a long history of using anti-Jewish slurs in his raps.

Thank you for your prompt answers.  They have raised a few more questions on my part.

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Sure thing. 
good Israeli-an Israeli  who like most civilized people values life, peace loving, respects humanity, and equality
Zionist- ethno-supremacist, expansionist, regional domination aspirations.  

The crucial question is then "Who gets to decide which Israelis are good and which are Zionists?"  Is it the Iranian government?  Hamas? The Arab League?  Who?

Of course a different definition of Zionist than yours is possible.   I would define a Zionist as someone who believes in a sovereign national homeland where Jews can live in security from antisemitism.  Under that definition, probably 99% of Israel's Jews and a great many Jews outside Israel are Zionist.

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

where?-most of them are immigrants from Europe and hold citizenships of other countries. Incidentally a lot have left already and if it wasn’t for closing the borders we’d see a mass exodus of them. 

About 80% of Israel's current Jewish population was both in Israel.  If an Israeli-born Jew is a Zionist, where would he be sent?  And about half of all Israeli Jews are descended from ancestors who were kicked out of Arab countries.  Where would they be sent?  Estimates of the number of Israeli Jews with dual nationality range from 460,000 to 770,000, or roughly  6% to 10% of the country's 7.7 million Jews.

In fact, the vast majority of Israeli Jews have nowhere else to go.  That's why they fight so hard to defend their homeland.

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h100a9e0yxl

https://welcome-israel.com/blog/how-many-israelis-have-dual-citizenship

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Incidentally a lot have left already and if it wasn’t for closing the borders we’d see a mass exodus of them. 

Why do you think the borders are closed to Israel's citizens, whether Jewish or any other religion?  Israeli citizens are free to come and go as they please.  In 2024, about 83,000 Jews are estimated to have emigrated from Israel. That's slightly over 1% of Israel's Jewish population. That's hardly run-away flight.   https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-12-31/ty-article/.premium/israels-population-growth-slows-as-emigration-soars-with-83-000-leaving-in-2024/00000194-1cf3-db03-a1f6-1cfb5dcf0000

23 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

good stuff-they started unloading drones and old misslies to overwhelm the irons dome. In the last couple of days they unloaded second tier stuff. The good stuff is yet to come. If it wasn’t for not wanting to lose international support and possibility of direct USA intervention they could’ve flattened Israel. It’s basically two major cities. Not hard to do. 

You are seriously over-estimating Iran's military capabilities and the ease with which Israel could be defeated.  For 77 years, Israel has stood against 500,000 Arabs and 1.4 billion Muslim's, all of whom want to destroy the homeland of the world's Jews.  This article gives background on the relative military strength of Iran and Israel:  

https://apnews.com/article/iran-israel-militaries-mideast-us-613e71aff67f6e1701981583bf699bc6

Iran's leaders should already know, but perhaps need to be reminded, never again is now.

Some posters seem to have poor reading comprehension. The opening sentence of this thread's OP states his remarks were made BEFORE this year's Glastonbury Festival (my bold text),  This criticism wasn't specifically aimed at Bob Vylan's death chants.

16 hours ago, Social Media said:

Oasis legend Noel Gallagher has criticised the Glastonbury Festival, calling it “woke” and “preachy” in a candid podcast interview recorded ahead of this year’s event. Speaking with podcaster Matt Morgan, Gallagher expressed frustration with what he sees as increasing political posturing on the festival’s stages.

That interview was quite old, going back 12 months.  You can read the same quotes from Gallagher in the OP as in this article in The Sun, dated  July 4, 2024.

GASTO BLASTO   Noel Gallagher launches blistering attack on ‘woke’ Glastonbury and renews feud with rockstar frontman

NOEL Gallagher had a storming time at Glastonbury – but he couldn’t help taking aim at other punters.

The High Flying Birds frontman moaned that virtue-signalling has taken over the festival — with acts making statements about Palestine’s conflict with Israel and Banksy’s migrant dinghy ­protest during the Idles set.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/28973908/noel-gallagher-slams-glastonbury-woke/

This article from the Guardian,  also a year old, gives more background on the "wokeness" of Glastonbury:

Noel Gallagher says Glastonbury is ‘a bit woke now’ and criticises political musicians

https://www.theguardian.com/music/article/2024/jul/05/noel-gallagher-oasis-glastonbury-is-woke-political-musicians

It was more "wokeness" in general than support for Hamas that seemed to have pissed off Gallagher in that interview.  He opposed the politicizing of musical performances.  Several groups and artists at the 2024 Glastonbury Festival expressed support for Ham-  I mean Palestinians- including chants of "Free Palestine."  That didn't result in any major outcry from political or religious leaders.

Bobby Vylan  (Pascal Robinson-Foster)  got slammed because he led the crowd in death chants and gave an antisemitic tirade   His blatant antisemitism, not his support of Palestinians, resulted in all the condemnation.  It's unclear what opinion Noel Gallagher has on the Gaza conflict, although he has supported a charity that provides aid to Palestinian children.

Support for Palestinians is the rule, not the exception, in the U.K.  When this support, however misplaced and naive, turns into raw antisemitic attack, there still, thankfully, will be a sharp negative reaction from some influential voice.  However, Gallagher was NOT condemning antisemitism  in that old interview.

11 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Next time they may pull out the good stuff and really send the Zionist fleeing back to where they came from leaving the good Israelis to run their country. 

What distinguishes "good Israelis" from "Zionists?"  I hope you're not thinking about "good Israelis" in the same way as Gen. Philip Sheridan is said to have referred to "good Indians,"  Where is it that Zionists would flee to that they came from?  What is the "good stuff" Iran may pull out?

Can you put two and two together to answer my questions?

43 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

Showing naivety when asking for source regarding Mosad operations. Put two and two together.

I'm showing skepticism over there being "absolutely zero doubt" (my bold text) on the basis of one poster's opinion alone.  I wondered if anyone outside the Iranian press agreed with that assessment.  I'm also skeptical that you will come up with four when you "put two and two together."  Sounds more like it will be three or five, considering there's no evidence to back your "analysis."

3 hours ago, pacovl46 said:

There’s absolutely zero doubt that the guy gave Israel all the information they needed to attack their nuclear facilities and now they cry for Iran to continue to let them in so they can get more information out of them!

If you honestly believe the only way the Mossad could get information on Iran's nuclear is through Grossi and the IAEA, then you are the one who is naive.  Preventing Iran from obtaining nuclear arms is crucial to the survival of Israel and its people.  The Mossad will devote all its considerable resources to obtaining whatever information is needed towards that end.

Here's the reaction of the U.K.'s  Chief Rabbi on X to the Glastonbury death chants and the BBC's response.  If anyone can be an expert on the dangers of antisemitism, it is Sir Ephraim Mirvis.   He nailed it.  For every British subject, this is indeed a "time of national shame."

https://x.com/chiefrabbi/status/1939806434444583201

1 hour ago, AustinRacing said:

He apparently handed over data including names of scientists to Mosad which resulted in the murder of scientists and their families. At the very least he should be investigated. If allegations are true he’s responsible for their murder. 

   The Mossad didn't need Grossi to tell them the names of Iran's nuclear scientists.  They just had to read newspapers and magazines. The men who were assassinated held very visible positions.  Most were academics attached to various universities or institutes.  Some edited scientific journals.  Iran made no attempt to conceal the identities of nuclear scientists and technicians.

4 hours ago, SamSaraburi said:

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I didn't say people who support a Palestinian state are gullible, I said people who fall for anti-Israel propaganda are gullible. For over two thousand years, people have fallen for antisemitic lies.  The anti-Israel propaganda we see every day is merely the latest manifestation of the world's oldest hatred.

The following paragraph perfectly summarizes what is so wrong about the Glastonbury death chants and hate speech:

"Once tolerant and decent Britain is a place where incitement to riot over Southport will rightly result in the full force of the law being brought to bear, while you can stand on a stage at Glastonbury and lead scenes reminiscent of a Nuremberg rally without facing much more than expressions of disapproval."

I am alive because my ancestors realised Jews were in danger. Britain is nearly there

The rest of the article explains why antisemitism has become a major concern for Britain's Jews.  I hope everyone who expresses sympathy for Palestinians reads it and realizes why their ill-founded support is so dangerous.

13 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

You have to give the Palestinians people props for running an effective decades long propaganda program.  
 

People buy their BS hook line and sinker.

Let me fix the second sentence for you.  Gullible, uninformed "people buy their BS hook, line and sinker." People who have a basic understanding of the history of the Middle East won't be taken in by Palestinian propaganda.

Bob Vylan is catching it heavily.   The U.S. State Dept. has revoked their visas for their autumn U.S. tour and their agent has dropped them.

I hope this prompts them  to rethink their antisemitism.  They deserve to be punished for injecting hatred of Jews into a musical performance.

"Meanwhile, a source confirms to The Hollywood Reporter that United Talent Agency has dropped Bob Vylan following the controversy."

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/music-news/bob-vylan-visas-revoked-dropped-uta-glastonbury-1236302748/

17 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That was ai, copy n paste, so no, i dont have an answer to a bot, if i see you contribute more often i might

That was definitely not copy and paste.  I don't know why you believe that.  I do know why you would say it.

28 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

He said, "Death, death to the IDF." Nothing about death to Israel or Jews. 

Wow!  You have a very high tolerance of antisemitic speech if you don't consider a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" to be antisemitic.  Jews make up 99% of the IDF and its function is to protect the world's only Jewish majority state and homeland of the world's Jews from destruction.  The IDF has 170,000 active-duty personnel and 465,000 reservists.  If you are wishing death  to the IDF, you'd have to kill a lot of Israeli Jews.  And the death of the IDF would leave Israeli civilians defenseless against a second Holocaust.

Moreover, Robinson-Foster's antisemitic remarks weren't limited to the "Death, death to the IDF" chant.  He even included a specific  British Jewish individual in his attacks.  Again I have to ask:  if that's not antisemitism, what is it?

28 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Nothing anti-Semitic here, move along now.

Plenty that's antisemitic here.  Don't move along; never again is now.

59 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Would they face such criticism or scrutiny if it were pro Israel, pro Ukraine, pro NATO, anti China, anti Putin, i very much doubt it, either everything is allowed, or nothing is allowed

It's not a matter of being pro- or anti-Israel or any other country or cause.  By law, the BBC and other broadcasters are obligated to prevent certain types of content from reaching viewers/listeners.  One aspect is that hate speech, whether racist, chauvinistic, antisemitic, Islamophobic, homophobic, misogynistic or whatever,  should not be "normalized" by its inclusion in entertainment programming.  Young people and impressionable adults could believe such language is acceptable because they heard it on TV.

I bolded entertainment to stress a different set of rules apply to news broadcasts.  It's acceptable for the BBC to broadcast video footage in a news program of the crowd because that's what happened. News reporting will include reactions and influential Brits have been strongly critical of Robinson-Foster's hate rap and chants.  It is not acceptable for Robinson-Foster to include hate speech and death chants in a music performance.

4 hours ago, NanLaew said:

 

Once again, the crowd were not incited.

@NanLaew  What do you mean by "not incited?"  Are you saying the crowd wasn't incited because they didn't actually try to kill members of the IDF?  Or do you mean chanting, "Death, death to the IDF" isn't a crime under the U.K. law against incitement to violence?

It wasn't just the "Death" chants that crossed the line.  Bobby  Vylan (real name Pascal Robinson-Foster) made other potentially criminal comments to the crowd, including an antisemitic rant about a Jewish recording exec with whom Robinson-Foster once worked.  It's the totality of remarks at Glastonbury, not just the chant, that could be considered incitement.

And if a chant of "Death, death to the IDF" isn't incitement to violence, what would you call it?

On 6/29/2025 at 7:42 AM, frank83628 said:

So the BBC are in hot water because some band said some stuff during a live coverage.... i

On 6/29/2025 at 4:57 AM, Stocky said:

I'm not exactly sure what the BBC is supposed to do as it was a live broadcast.

The BBC could be in trouble because its producers didn't interrupt the livestream of Bob Vylan's performance when  Robinson-Foster began with his hate-rap against Israel and Jews.   The BBC and all other TV and radio broadcasters have an intentional "broadcast delay" or "deferred live" function to stop illegal or offensive content from reaching viewers/listeners.  For a broadcast from a live event like Glastonbury, the delay would be about 30 seconds.  That would give technicians time to delete the unwanted footage or audio track or to substitute it with other footage/audio.  

The BBC will indeed face questions as to why it didn't mute the "Death to Israel" chants.  It's my understanding that the BBC uses a broadcast delay to mute "death" chants during football matches.  If football fans aren't allowed to call for the death of rival teams, why are Hamas fans allowed to call for the death of the IDF?

Sometimes satire can convey the truth more effectively than straight facts, Some great satire about the BBC from a popular Israeli TV program.  Sinwar's comments on the Israeli baby torturing him were masterful. The  ridicule heaped on the BBC also gives great insight into the mindset of most Israeli Jews.  They know bias when they see it. The BBC has been obvious for a long time.