Scorpion364
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8 minutes ago, fourpack said:
Instead of all this well I was told. My mate was told.
Why not get down to your local brown envelope whoops sorry Immigration office and ask them what there rules are.
Mine as I asked not 4 days ago. Only if I move then I need to do a tm28 and TM 30. If I don't move I don't have to even if I leave country and return to same address.
Always better getting it from the horse's mouth.
Tomorrow that horse could change its mind.
And if you see the posts above you'll see that different IOs in the same office sometimes affect differing protocols. "All of this well I was told... My mate was told" is what you joined this forum for. To find advice from other people in this situation. So the best move is not to waste your time going to your local office and asking the question, the best move is to comply with what we know to be the law, (whether your local office is going to choose to enforce it or not.)
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6 hours ago, schlemmi said:
Please explain on detail. I like to know the following:
a) Did they go in person or used they someone to send the passports together with the tm47 90 days teport?
b) Are they their own housemasters and in duty to do the tm30 report or is another person the housemaster?
c) Do i understad right, they not get the receipt slip of the tm47 90 days report form?
d) How are they get fined and how much? The person who transfered the passport paid or they get a ticket to pay?
e) Do they have any evidence about this case. Do they have whitness. Do they know the name of the IO?
The following is based a little on educated guesswork:
A) A messenger will have gone to Immigration with all the passports
B) No. Another person.
C) Correct.
D) 800B. This needed to be paid before they could get their 90 days stamp. I do not know the process of how the money was paid. I guess the passports were returned to school unstamped, and the teachers in question had to cough up the 800B, before the passports were then returned to Immigration for the stamps.
E) I don't think it's something that needs questioning or evidencing. If my friend says it happened, it happened. I don't think it is reasonable to suspect anything else, because this IS actually the law.
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Am a teacher too. We're here to educate your (removed)children - why make life difficult for us!?!?!
Thailand just wants to remain docile... Ignorance is bliss!
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1 hour ago, Salerno said:
@MRToMRT At the current time not as far as I'm aware, most reports of fines seem to be about people going for extensions, although a few people have been caught in spot checks of condos. If Immi decide it's a nice little earner who knows though. That's why if I was in the position I'd just bite the bullet, get an account set up if I could, and play their stupid game with as little inconvenience as possible.
Not sure if I understand this correctly, but I think the following example contradicts...
A friend of mine works at a school in Nonthaburi where 12 teachers' passports went to Immi for 90 day reporting. 8 of them got rejected and the teachers fined, because they'd had weekends away and not filed TM30. This is new, yes, because they're clamping down on it, but the law is old, so there can be no comeback. The teachers in question were of various nationalities.
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The AirBnBs are better for us though. If they ain't paying tax, they're not gonna report we're staying there, so we're not gonna have to submit a TM30...
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2 minutes ago, Salerno said:
@Scorpion364 Yes, you can do it yourself as "possessor".
If you have a long-term lease personally I'd get set up myself (app and online account as both are usual Thai IT quality!).
If short-term and the landlord tends to lease short-term, I'd suggest to the landlord they set up an account and when they get a new tenant, give the account details to the tenant so they can report themselves and just change the password for the next tenant.
I have a year's contract, and will probably only stay here a year. The landlord in question has multiple (many, many) properties, so I would actually expect they already have an account, and do this as standard for other tennants. However, I presume a large % of those tennants are Thai, and while I myself have only just become aware of this law (because they've recently started clamping down on it more) I have to suspect they may not actually have a clue about it. I await their reply!
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54 minutes ago, Salerno said:
Which is why I suggested that if you are potentially affected (i.e. live there or likely to go to Immi for whatever reason) get hooked up online or via the app and lodge on your own behalf at your leisure. That way regardless of what the IO at a given locations decides the rules are that day you're covered.
Salerno, thanks for your input, (and others, but I respond to yours here...) Do you mean you can complete and submit the TM30 yourself - you don't have to ask your landlord to do it? I suspect they ask you to get your landlord to do it because then there is less chance it will be done... (Especially if your landlord is one of the 'mai pen rai', head-in-the-sand tribe.)
I've just sent my new landlord an e-mail drawing their attention to this, and advising them if they don't submit the form when I request them to, that any fine I incur will be deducted from the rent I pay them for that month. It totally does seem unreasonable though to give them an extra task whensoever I choose to take a short break away, and I feel that the onus should be on ME, not them. Wouldn't I need a copy of their title deeds/ID though, and would they be so keen to hand these over to me? Is there any danger in them doing so? (Apologies for not being more in-the-know, but I guess that's what these forums are for! Thanks in advance for any further advice...)
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Article 37 of the Immigration Act 1979 says that the TM30 is required when an alien visits another province. I've definitely seen it worded like this on the wall at Chaeng Wattana immigration office, too. However, all references I can find only say that you need to submit it, even if you stay away from home WITHIN the same province - even if it's an overnight hospital visit.
Sure, I'm familiar with the general rule here in Thailand - the laws often depend upon which side of the bed the immigration officer has emerged from that morning - but can anyone shed light on this?
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I'm currently on a Non-B visa as I already work as a teacher in Bangkok. I am moving to an international school, also in Bangkok.
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Unfortunately not the HR staff at my new school!
It is an International school
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I'm a teacher in Bangkok, and due to start a new job in August. However, now comes all the fun and games of applying for a new visa. To add to my exasperation, it would appear that everyone who works in HR at my new school simply does not have a clue. I've asked question after question of them, gone around in circles, had questions unanswered, some questions answered incorrectly, and been told I have to do things that I actually do not have to do.
Please could someone therefore confirm or otherwise the following:
1. I can get a Non-B visa either in the Thai embassy in another country, or at Chaeng Wattana.
2. If I go to Chaeng Wattana, I need to get my degree certificate certified.
3a. I would also need my degree transcript certifying.
4. If I were to go abroad, I would not need my degree certificate or transcript certifying.
4a. I would only need to take my passport, the papers my school provides for me (application form), and I assume the fee required for the visa, and probably some photos...
5. This is all that is required to get a Non-B visa.
Yay or nay?
(Your assistance is greatly appreciated.)
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I expect all of the information I require is on this site already, if I can search all of the posts, but while I can't I'd hope to get all of the information I require in one post. I already know that If I go abroad, then return to Thailand, I can get a Visa exemption for 30 days. The following questions lead on from that premise. I want to be able to stay in Thailand for as long as possible.
- I have heard about a 30-day extension to the visa exemption, equalling 60 days. Can you get the extension when you actually arrive, or must it be a local immigration office?
- Is there a certain number of days one must have remaining on the initial visa exemption, when applying for the extension?
- I seem to find contrasting advice whether arriving by plane or on land. Can I get a 60- or 90-day tourist visa on the border, (by land or at airport)?
- Would it be better to go to the Thai consulate in a foreign country to apply for and obtain the visa prior to arriving in Thailand?
- And in this instance, do they really require to see proof of travel to and from Thailand? What if I don't yet have it booked, because I'm not sure exactly when I'll be leaving?
TM30 - is anybody actually clear on this?
in Thai Visas, Residency, and Work Permits
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Dunno what's silly about advising to obey the law... What's silly is trying to get around the law by asking people who may or may not actually know the law, or who may or may not be keen to enforce the law. Just because they are wearing a badge, doesn't make them trustworthy or reliable. Sad, I know, but true.
Better to just obey the law, in my opinion. But sure, follow your own... I just take exception to anyone advising people it's better to try to find a way around the law...