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  1. 51 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

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    Here's the results of this year's Thai-PAN testing of organic fruits and veggies sold here. The red means they had pesticide residue levels exceeding those allowed, orange means detectable levels within limits and green means clean.

     

    As you can see above, in their limited sample, HALF of the "Organic Thailand" products had red levels of pesticides, as did HALF of the Thai GAP certified products.  But by comparison, all of the internationally certified products tested came back entirely clean.

     

     

    In addition you have the problems with output or yield of organic farming. USDA estimates that for organic to be able to produce the same as the USA is producing today by conventional methods, they need to utilize much more land than today: "To have raised all U.S. crops as organic in 2014 would have required farming of one hundred nine million more acres of land. That is an area equivalent to all the parkland and wildland areas in the lower 48 states or 1.8 times as much as all the urban land in the nation."

    https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2018/02/16/usda-data-confirm-organic-yields-dramatically-lower-conventional-farming/

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    On 8/5/2019 at 1:13 PM, bendejo said:

    It could be argued that a step in that direction is the universal basic income US candidate Yang proposes. 

    On the other hand the US is leaving the business of exporting agricultural products and DT is giving the farmers billions to sustain them.  Is this the beginning of a derelict class?  Notice you hear of NO GOP hand-wringing about "where is the money coming from?" which is their usual outrage.  Even if he gets removed from the WH it's not like agricultural trade is going to return to what it was, at least not quickly.

    So yeah, society needs less workers, so what to do with those people who aren't needed?

     

    There is a sci-fi book called Beggars in Spain (lousy title, it involves neither of those things) by Nancy Kress.  (sci-fi as in Brave New World, as opposed to, say, Star Wars)  In the near future the socio-economic order in the US is you can decide not to work, and the gov't will support you sufficiently but not opulently, or you can chose an education and go on to have a profession, pursue business and wealth, up to you.  Those who do not work spend their days taking intoxicants  and screwing.  (sound like Pattaya?)

     

     

    Soylent Green comes to mind, the book (Make Room! Make Room!) by Harry Harrison was better than the movie.

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