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11 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

The above sentence is the ground foundation of all the text you wrote in your quote. I sincerely thank you for elaborating as much as you did, but unfortunately it also falls on the first sentence.

You are trying to state that people are becoming dumbed down because of exessive use of technology. That must then beg the question: Do they not first have to be dumb enough to fall for and engage in excessive use of technology in the first place?

Not at all, I mean this is just not even an argument to my mind.

'Do they not first have to be dumb enough to fall for and engage in excessive use of technology in the first place?'

You can make the same argument about any form of addiction my friend. Being unintelligent is not a prerequisite to becoming addicted to any manner of things - alcohol or drugs, sex, work - the list goes on. Many great and brilliant people have done and continue to.

The argument that you have to be stupid in the first place to engage in excessive use of technology is further flawed because of the simple fact that technology is literally everywhere today. You can hardly escape it, and in fact a large part of our work and personal lives are reliant on it - it is the very foundation of many professions today. Becoming obsessed with anything and thus forging an unhealthy reliance on it is something that can happen to anyone I would say and even more easily with technology than with most things because of its prevelance in the modern world, and its very nature - by which I mean we are becoming more and more reliant on it through integration of it into our daily lives.

It does perhaps take a certain amount of intellect and more importantly perspective to stop oneself becoming hopelessly addicted to unhealthy behaviours, but honestly - how many people do you know that aren't at least partially reliant on technology? Very few to none, I would suggest. How many do you know that are obsessed with it/have an unhealthy relationship with it? Plenty - I'm sure!

46 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Yes, and the funny thing is that it has nothing to do with the new technology. In reality it´s just people getting more dumb.

I would disagree there. I think there is a very strong argument for a link between the two, as do many.

People are becoming dumbed down in many instances because of excessive use of technology. Yes, you can of course use it to good effect by using it as tool to teach yourself and become better informed, as many people do including myself. But just as many people (in reality probably a lot more) all too often use technology to satisfy their own addictions to social media/gaming and other banal pursuits. The indulgence in such an array of mind-numbing vapidities - exhibit a - 'Candy Crush' is staggering today. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples, we can all think of many I'm sure. Before this tech existed a lot more people were forced to interact socially in person; rather than remotely, virtually or anonymously - much better for one's mental health and social ability/cognitive capacity too.  Fewer and fewer people read or devote time to intellectual pursuits these days, simultaenously the change in our now very dubious values and our radically reduced attention spans have in large part come about because of the advent of the social media age and the instant gratification culture that goes along with it.

Tech is near-solely responsible for this shift - well, our utter obsession with and dependence on it anyhow, but you can't have one without the other, can you?

Not to mention the exposure to EMR-RF (which wireless devices emit en-masse all day every day) has been shown to dull the senses in many animal test subjects as well as impair cognitive ability when subjects experienced overexposure to high frequency RW. There is a plethora of medical / scientific data out there from over 10,000 independent peer-reviewed studies which show evidence of the malign effects of overexposure to EMF-RF. We are insane to allow the rolling out 5g (totally untested) and for the IoT / smart-tech to take a hold of our lives even more than it already has.  

11 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Tourism is doing fine and the Chinese spend more per day than any other nationality. Yes, there is less Western sex tourism.

You should be on the stage with comments like that pal!!! ????????

40 minutes ago, sirineou said:

 IMO all this speculation is inappropriate and unnecessary. 

This beautiful young lady with all the potential for a great life is no more, And the parents who wished her away to a wonderful vacation, with all the anxiety a parent feels when their litle girl goes away,(she is always your litle girl) waiting for her to come back . share stories of adventure and view pictures, now have to deal with their worst nightmare  realized . 

What does it matter to anyone  how ,and why it happened? How about some compassion and respect for the family?

Quite right, I fully agree. Out of respect to the family (even if they won't see our comments) the decent and considerate thing to do is not to speculate too much at this time and of course to keep any such speculation respectful and restrained. It could be a case of a tragic accident or it could foul play, hopefully a cause of death can be determined either by Cambodian authorities, or if not, then by the UK coroner. 

I was hoping I would be proven wrong when I wrote the following comment earlier this week: -

'How terribly sad, it would seem - given the circumstances - that she is most likely gone from this world. As a father of a beautiful young daughter of the same name I can at least understand to some small extent the anguish that the Bambridge family must be feeling at the moment. It is every parent's biggest fear that this will happen to their beloved child.... 'I sincerely hope to be proven wrong and hear that Amelia is found safe and sound, but my heart breaks for her loved ones who must be experiencing the purest kind of turmoil right now. I wish them all the very best.'  28/10/19

- wasn't to be, I guess. Sincerest condolences to her family. Just tragic, may she RIP. 

11 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Have witnessed similar here over the years and on one occasion a gang of about 5 Thai thugs attacked a restaurant owner here, using wooden bats and a chain.......left him bleeding and with what looked like a broken arm.

 

And just two weeks ago I saw a younger farang set upon by a gang of "security guard thugs" and he managed to run away, but not before taking a bit of a beating.

 

The Thais, in the main, are cowardly bar-stewards who will only fight in a pack and i do not respect them one iota.

There are plenty of decent people here who would never dream of becoming violent, and have respect for others. I don't like to be down on the lot of them, there is an unsettling undercurrent that is ever-present in these kind of circumstances though, if you're a farang.

I too have witnessed some similar things myself - unfair fights involving security / Thais in the street. The fellow Thais will come to the aid of each other without a moment's thought for the context of the fight or it's cause - especially if they even suspect a foreigner has been disrespectful or initiated it. Anyone who knows Thailand knows that this is the case, this shouldn't be disputed (but often is by people who have a chip on their shoulder or no idea of they're talking about). Thais don't like to fight fair. You very rarely see a one on one, especially when it's involving a foreigner. Hence the xenophobic nature of many of these attacks shouldn't be understated,

'will only fight in a pack and i do not respect them one iota.' - my thoughts exactly, because by and large, it is true.

36 minutes ago, Yinn said:

Ok typical Thai. To hit back. True. Sure.

 

Typical man.

 

Typical security.

 

Typical drunk Brit. (I am sure in his “security in Iraq” time, he did not care if he have more on his side. Fight to win. Like army people)

 

Typical Pattaya bar. Maybe make accident with the bill, maybe try to cheat, maybe he misunderstand that he if he “feeling” the staff that they expect him to pay for her drink. Maybe he not know “ladydrink” higher price.

 

Typical guy not want to pay bill. 

 

Typical Pattaya. Is low class place with low class sex worker and low class customer. He was married guy, alone, go the sex bar. For what?

 

Typical drunk.

 

Typical accident with street fight, late night with to much alcohol. Fall. Hit the head on cement.

 

Typical result.

 

Typical to say “typical Thai” on TVF.

 

typical.

 

This story very typical.

 

ps. The court can not say it murder. Because he not dead when court case. 

Pss He did make first punch. If that punch hit the thai guy, maybe the thai guy head hit cement and die.

 

'Ok typical Thai. To hit back. True. Sure.'

With the odds at 2+ against one - yes, it's well known to be the case here, especially when the victim is a foreigner. I can name you dozens of stories and reports in the media and through friends here of this happening. As well as personal experience. The xenophobic taint in most of these attacks shouldn't be understated. 

'Typical security.' - maybe in Pattaya. Not the 'typical' reaction of proper doormen in many developed nations, let me assure you. 

'Typical drunk Brit' - yeh, us Brits don't have a great rep in this regard, no worse than Thais though I would say. PS: I am not defending the man for being drunk (we assume this is the case) and clearly confrontational either. I am damning the 2 younger men who attacked him uneccessarily and left him for dead in the street, operating way outside their remit.

'I am sure in his “security in Iraq” time, he did not care if he have more on his side. Fight to win. Like army people' - pure conjecture, no response required.

'Typical Pattaya. Is low class place with low class sex worker and low class customer. He was married guy, alone, go the sex bar. For what?' - what does that have to do with anything, again it's conjecture and obfuscation on your behalf.

'Typical guy not want to pay bill.' - again more conjecture, you don't know this to be the case. It's possible he was doing a runner, I'd counter that it is just as likely that he was being fleeced by the bar-owners, a common trope in that <deleted> hole town, also possible he left without knowing he hadn't paid. In any case, does it warrant him being assaulted by 2 staff - leading to his death? 

'Typical accident with street fight, late night with to much alcohol. Fall. Hit the head on cement.' - Not by any means unique to Thailand, happens everywhere, there is scum everywhere. The initial (and unfair) attack is what is being condemned - the very poor way in which it was handled. Bar staff should even in Thailand be trained to deal with such situations and not turn it into a street fight, that's the point.

'Typical to say “typical Thai” on TVF.' - Such circumstances are I'm afraid typical here, I wouldn't state so if it weren't the case. Whether you believe me or not is your choice.

'This story very typical.' - That says a lot about Pattaya and the issues there then, no? Something that perhaps needs addressing, ESPECIALLY when it's a city (and a country) that relies so heavily on the money of tourists and foreign investors to survive.

'The court can not say it murder. Because he not dead when court case.' They could have convicted the 2 guys of GBH and the one who made contact with him with manslaughter, but hey, Thailand doesn't really have a court system or functioning judiciary, let's not pretend otherwise, you'd only make yourself look foolish if you tried.

6 minutes ago, BestB said:

Honestly , consider upgrading from budget to premium specs . There is no 2 swinging and you have ZERO clue who or what 3rd one was or his intentions 

Your opinion only. Still, seeking to defend thuggery - great look. 

Stay classy mate. You belong in Pattaya.

8 minutes ago, BestB said:

Where do you see both swinging ? Again stop imagining who or what 3rd was or was not going to do. 
 

 

Honestly mate, book that eye test ok, post-haste.

Both swang one missed and the other made a clumsy connection. 3rd came running up behind right after the inital affray - clearly to assist, doesn't take much of an immaginaton to see that was the aim.