Kaysfeld

Chiang Mai is a wonderful place to live. For 1-2 months every year about now the air is hazy however. THIS YEAR it seems, a pefect storm of contributory causes has led to an extremely hazy season. It is not the norm by any means and it will soon pass.

I agree that Chiang Mai is a wonderful place.

I also think you have to be honest about this.

It is more than a month a year of bad air EVERY YEAR.

Also, I have read that Chiang Mai has some of the highest rates of respiratory diseases and deaths in the world.

I know it is galling to hear criticism of Chiang Mai from a resident of world famous sleaze pit Pattaya, but sometimes the truth hurts.

http://www.umad.de/infos/cleanair13/pdf/full_167.pdf

This was from 1999. It is fair to assume things have only gotten WORSE:

Public Health Office data for 1999 indicated that 42,739 people out of every 100,000 (42.7%) in

Chiang Mai suffered from respiratory problems.

Acting like there isn't a big problem does nothing towards improving it. And there is alot the Thais can do to fix it.

The air quality was extremly bad i 1999 lasting into July.

The politicians got a warning then, but did they do anything about it.

No it seems, as they have allowed people to continue their burning.

The big question for those who are stuck in Chiang Mai is "When will it end?"

No-one can predict the future, but we can get an idea of the probabilities by looking at the past data.

If you go to the govt air pollution site at

http://www.pcd.go.th/AirQuality/Regional/Q...fm?task=default

and click on QUERY

then enter CHIANG MAI in the 'QUERY BY PARTICULAR SITE' box, you will get the air pollution data for CM going back several years.

Looking at the most lethal pollutant - the <PM10s - you can see that the last day in 2006 these were over the safe maximum of 120 was March 25.

In 2005 it was April 7.

In 2004 it was April 1.

(2003 not recorded)

In 2002 it was April 4.

In 2001 there were no readings above 120.

In 2000 it was March 23.

In 1999 it was June 7. (A very bad year, with 110-ish days thru till late June.)

In 1998 it was July 18. (That was a one-off - the year wasn't at all bad otherwise.)

So if this were an 'average' kind of year you would expect the air to return to safe levels around 1 to 3 weeks from today (Mar 14).

However unfortunately 2007 is not an average kind of year - it is more comparable to 1999, the worst modern year, until now. And 1999 gave us lethal air till June - another three months past now.

There's no saying we won't revert to an 'average year' kind of pattern. But given the 1999-style precedent of the last several months, I would have to say my money was on more serious pollution for some months.

Probabilities are only probabilities, and I hope I'm wrong.

And also for the ones planning to travel to Chiang Mai.

We have plans for a 23 day vacation in Chiang Mai starting 4 April, so I really hope that you are wrong about this not being an average year.

Thank you for the website info. Now I can follow how the pollution develop so we can change our travel plans if the situation doesn’t improve.

"Northern people" love to burn.

My wife just talked to her mother that live just outside Chiang Mai.

She told my wife that many fires on hills and small mountains was started by locals that want to pick mushrooms. Apparently after a there will be more mushrooms to pick.

This must be the most expensive mushrooms ever.

Both in terms of lost health and life, but also in terms of financial looses in the Northern provinces, maybe for years to come.

Totally unacceptable behaviour. Destroying the environment and nature for mushrooms

I have asthma. I really wanted to retire in Chiang Mai but I found the air pollution intolerable. I chose Pattaya instead. Yes, sleazepit Pattaya. I find the air here much better than Chiang Mai, probably thanks to the ocean breezes. I think Chiang Mai would have been a better fit for me culturally, but being able to breathe is kind of a basic requirement.

The air must be terrible if you prefer to retire in Pattaya over Chiang Mai.

I can't remember the air as any worse than Pattaya, or any other larger city in Thailand, when I lived there 4 years ago.

This also was the case last year in April, when I stayed in CNX for 3 weeks.

I would also think that CNX should normaly have better climate for your Astma. But I do understand why you don't want to stay there under the current extreme condition.

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It's amazing how rumours get out of control....While checking my e-mail today here in Chiang Mai, a good friend of mine who also lives here but is currently traveling in India told me he heard about the bombs that went off at Tescos and at the night Bazzar. Unbelievable, just Unbeleivable..ps I thought a mod would close this topic..oh well

My wife also heard this story here in Sweden, from her mother in CNX, which had heard about 3 dead when she visited the Suandok hospital today.

We just can't belive this story to be true, when there isn't anything reported in other media.

Two more bombs in Bangkok at midnight.

Bangkok Post:

TWIN BANGKOK BOMBING WAVES KILL 2; New Year's Eve Countdown cancelled

(BangkokPost.com)

Two people died and more than 30 wounded including six foreigners as two waves of at least eight bombs or grenades have exploded in Bangkok at nightfall and again at midnight. Authorities cancelled all public New Year's Eve parties.

After a first wave of six coordinated explosions, two others went off at midnight at the site of the nation's biggest New Year's Eve party, normally telecast live around Thailand and overseas.

Seven people, including six foreigners, were injured in the second bombings just before midnight, but officials clearly did not have a handle on events. But the cancellation of New Year celebrations kept the toll down, police said.

"The (midnight) bomb exploded in a telephone booth opposite Central World Plaza," where the Bangkok Countdown 2007 was to have taken place, said Pol Col Vanlop Patummaung.

"The injured have been sent to the police hospital," he said. "Six foreigners and one Thai were injured. We don't know when the bomb was placed there, because we had carefully searched the area before the party.

Another bomb exploded on a pier that sits on the klong (canal) beside the plaza at the same time, just before midnight, but no injuries were immediately reported, he said.

Bangkok authorities ordered all public New Year's Eve parties cancelled after the first six explosions. Bangkok Governor Apirak Kosayodhin appeared at the huge Bangkok Countdown 2006 venue and told the crowd to "go home and stay in peace."

There had been confusion for an hour over whether New Year's parties would be permitted after the bombing. New Year's is the biggest public party in Thailand.

The national government indicated celebrations might proceed including - especially - the massive and internationally famous New Year's Countdown outdoors party attended by upwards of half a million people outside CentralWorld near Siam Square in central Bangkok.

Police Commissioner Kowit Wattana, at a televised news conference, said, "Don't be afraid, but be careful," and urged Bangkokians not to cancel New Year's Eve plans.

But the capital was extremely tense. All major department stores, due to stay open until late for holiday shopping, were all shut by 8 p.m. including the luxury Emporium and Paragon stores in the main tourist areas of Sukhumvit and Siam Square. Central, the biggest Thai department store operator, closed its stores.

Many would-be party-goers headed for home, either because the party mood has faded, or because they were unwilling to risk a public party.

By the time Mr Apirak personally ordered the Countdown to halt, the mood was off anyhow.

Earlier, government spokesman Yongyuth Malyalarp said the capital should remain calm and alert, and keep an eye out for unusual activity. He said police had been ordered on high alert.

Prime Minister Surayud Chulanont said people hoping to celebrate the new year should avoid crowded areas. During a visit to a hospital where some of the victims were taken for treatment, the prime minster said the government will do all it can to prevent further trouble. The situation is under control, he said.

There were six explosions in various parts of the capital. Two were reported near the Klong Toey market, where a 61-year-old man was killed, and near a bus stop at the busy Victory Monument, where a Burmese was killed and more than a dozen other people wounded.

Graphic footage shown on television showed damaged vehicles and blood-stained streets and pavements.

TV reports said a man was seen throwing a grenade off a pedestrian overpass near a police box in the Saphan Kwai area of Bangkok, injuring several people in the explosion.

At Seacon Square in eastern Bangkok, Asia's largest mall, an explosion in the outdoor parking lot sent hundreds of shoppers scrambling, but no injurites were reported.

Shoppers who called BangkokPost.com said the mall was evacuated and shuttered for the night.

Another explosion was reported from Sukhumvit Soi 62, a major intersection with the capital's main expressway system in southeast Bangkok, and another in suburban Nonthaburi province north of the city centre.

"There was no warning. It is quite shocking. We've got at least one child very seriously injured in my area and others are injured," said Police Maj-Gen Anand Srisiran, chief of Metropolitan Police District Five.

Witnesses told police in some places that they saw people throwing what looked to be grenades shortly before the explosions.

The coordinated attacks are unprecedented in Bangkok.

However, political feelings have run high for more than a year, and there have been reports of political violence aimed against the military junta which ousted ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra on Sept 19 - primarily the suspected burning of schools.

In addition, some intelligence sources had suggested in the past two weeks that Islamist extremists leading the southern insurgency might try to spread their attacks to the capital. They have never operated out of the deep South.

The Bangkok bombings, however, bore little resemblance to bomb attacks in the South, which usually involve improvised explosive devices (IEDs) copied from the Iraq model, and set off by mobile phones, and vehicle bombs, especially in motorcycles.

An intelligence source told the AFP news agency that the attacks were likely politically motivated.

"The bombs are not involved with southern unrest," the source said, but did not elaborate. "It is a political issue, it is undercurrents" - the military regime's code word for pro-Thaksin elements.

The Voice of America reported a similar reaction. It quoted "Thai officials" as saying Muslim insurgents were probably not behind the New Year's Eve bombings. "Security sources said Sunday the bombings might have been politically-motivated," said the radio network.

Except for the insurgency in the four southernmost provinces, there has been no deadly political violence in Thailand for more than 14 years, when a popular protest overthrew the last military government. In that case, the violence and deaths were caused by the military government and armed forces.

Martial law was lifted in Bangkok and surrounding provinces just a month ago, but the military is authorised to act when necessary. The coup passed its 100-day anniversary on Dec 28.

The junta leader and army commander, Gen Sonthi Boonyaratkalin, is currently out of Thailand, on the Haj in Saudi Arabia, and will not return until Thursday.

Even though the EU law does require this, the Danish immigration requires that you can prove that you have lived and worked for minimum 3 month the other EU country.

Should have been:

Even though the EU law doesn't require this, the Danish immigration requires that you can prove that you have lived and worked for minimum 3 month the other EU country.

sorry

Does anyone have experience about getting a tourist visa for your wife/girlfriend to Sweden or Germany ?

My wife and I plan to visit my country (Denmark) next year, but it is a real pain in the a** to get a tourist visa for my wife, so if it is easier to get a visa for a neighbour country we might go there first and then visit Denmark from there.

Any information appreciated.

North

It is much easier to go through the Swedish embassy than the Danish embassy in Bangkok because they normally can provide you with a Schengen visa in 1-2 weeks time where the Danish embassy can use 2-4 month to do the same thing.

I am Danish myself, married to a Thai, though I now live in Sweden.

The first time I applied for a visa for my then girlfriend in 2001, the Danish embassy used 2 month to complete the visa, and the Danish lady at the Embassy, who interviewed my girlfriend, was very impolite, treating her like a prostitute. I think, by default, they treat all younger ladies from Thailand like potential prostitutes, and therefore make it very difficult and unpleasant for them.

I didn’t want my girlfriend to have to go through this again so I moved to Sweden.

When we later in 2001 applied for her first Schengen visa though the Swedish embassy, they treated her very nice at the interview, and she had her visa in 4 days.

When you are an EU citizen living in another EU country, but your own, the EU law say that you can bring your spouse with you, girlfriend or wife, with no problem. When I brought my girlfriend to Sweden, she was issued with a 5 year visa to Sweden. On this visa she can also visit Schengen countries for up to 3 month.

If you want to apply for a Swedish or German Schengen visa for your wife, and you are living in Denmark, I think that Sweden or Germany have to be your final destination. If Denmark is your final destination on your visa application it might be refused.

The Swedish Embassy has made it more difficult to apply for a visa, with some Thai employees as the first control, before you are allowed through for the visa application. Not all of these Thai employees treat other Thais that nice, but if you show up with your wife, I don’t think that they will dare to make any problem.

Your wife will need a travel insurance that covers the length of the stay. The Swedish Embassy works with an insurance company in the same building as the embassy. You also have to pay the visa fee in a bank in the same building as the embassy, and bring the receipt and travel insurance with you with the visa application.

If you plan to travel more that once in a year, then the cheapest way to buy travel insurance is to buy a 1 year travel insurance, because it cost the same as a 3 month travel insurance, but will cover for several travel trips within a year, but maximum 3 month per trip. AIA have such 1 year travel insurance and surely other will also have such insurance.

I don’t have any experience with the German Embassy.

The Danish immigration law also make it very difficult for any Danish citizen to bring their spouse to Denmark to live, if she/he is a national of a country outside EU, because you then have to prove that you and your spouse have more belonging to Denmark than to your spouse home country, and this isn’t an easy thing to do.

There is a way around this. If you have lived and worked in another EU country, then the EU law say that you can bring you spouse with you I you move to another EU country, regardless of her citizenship. This also goes if you move from Sweden to Denmark. Even though the EU law does require this, the Danish immigration requires that you can prove that you have lived and worked for minimum 3 month the other EU country.

I could move back to Denmark without problems now because I have lived and worked in Sweden for 3 years now, but I will not do this, because this will mean that my wife have to go though the nasty people at the Danish immigration, and I don’t want her to go through this again. And Sweden is also a nice place to live, and I can be in Denmark and Copenhagen in less that 1 hour by car. Even less if you live in Malmö.

Good luck.

The death sentence should be reserved for those who do gross harm to society as a whole. Example, those guilty of massive corruption.

I can't agreed more that corruption do gross harm to sociaty.

But in Thailand, this would result in the execution of most of the Thai Police Officers, Custom Officers, Politicians, Business men and many other officials. I think there would not be many left.

It works both ways - no one in his right mind would compare 30 baht scheme with French healthcare, for example.

No one would do it indeed : because it's not 30 THB we pay, but thousands of euros per people !

People are so stupid : they pay 22 euros to visit a doctor. Then the "system" pay them back (19 euros).

They think "our healthcare system is really, really good. It works fine".

But they dont't see that on their salary slip, per month, the total "social taxes" = 48 % !

You don't believe it ? Check the file attached....

So, yes, I agree with you : France is indeed a socialist country.

End of rant, and off topic.

PS : and of course, at the end of the year you have to pay the regular "income tax" too. But that's another story. Another socialist story

So you belive that health care is just for the rich.

Just let the poor die. We must avoid sharing any of our wellth with the poor, because it is "communist" or Socialist poisen.

Since when has it been bad to help and care about the ones who don't have anything.

Haven't you learnt anything about buddist teaching?

I think, tht if Thaksin have done anything good for Thailand and Thai people, then it is the 30 bath health system. It is far from perfect, but an important first step in the right direction. Now poor people at least have some kind of healt care.

He didn't get ousted for doing allegedly good things, there's no need to include them.

Good things ? What good things ? Example - a murderer or paedophile or bank robber is judged on his "bad" deeds - not whatever "good" he might have done. That's the law in most countries I suppose. The so-called "good" things may be considered mitigating circumstances and may be taken into consideration in sentencing. But "bad" is "bad" surely ? No matter how much "good" may be claimed as well. There's not a balance sheet where "good" and "bad" can be used to cancel each other out. MalcolmL

You are so right. you can't pay for the bad, with also doing some good. It doesn't work that way.

What.... is that it?? Thought there was going to be something major, but this is just normal for Thailand... guess it's normal for every government worldwide

It is part of the problem isn't it? Corruption and using power for own gains are considered normal in many part of the world. And people accept it directly or indirectly by not doing anything about it.

Here in my part of the world (Scandinavia) a Minister will lose their job for something that in most other countries are considered nothing. Eg. if it is discovered that a minister didn't pay her/his TV license for some years even though they had a TV, there will be a big scandal. It just happened in Sweden. 2 Ministers had to go and th Government had to change. We really live on another planet here in our all so perfect democracy in Northern Europe.

Yes thank you I have found it all of immense help, and I have been reading the reviews, and at present I am in thoughtful contemplation; as I am planning on having it all done on Monday!

So what system did you end up with?

Yes I am I having a new computer built and would like some advice on hardware. Firstly I am prepared to spend about 20k and this excludes the monitor or anything else external. I want the computer primarily for watching DVD's surfing the next and listening to music. I already have an Audigy Sound Card, so that doesn't need replacing but everything else does. I want the computer to be pretty fast, to have at least a 200GB hard drive and about 1 GB worth of Ram. I have heard that AMD is pretty good chip, which one would you recommend, and at what possible price, which Motherboard, should I be looking at, Which Graphics Card should I be looking out for and how much and is there anything else that I need but but have not menetioned?

So did you find any info you could use?

You should also try the links on the different equipment in my configuration. They also contain reviews.

Kaysfeld, sounds like a very nice system you're putting together there, what's it going to cost you...even without a monitor l'm guessing +50k baht. The E6600 cpu and motherboard are close to 25k baht, that's the total Marquess is saying he wants to spend so he can forget that.

Core 2 duo is flavor of the month but for Marquess an E6300 with say an Asus P5B motherboard is the only combination he can afford with his budget, even that will cost about 13k but worth it. Plenty of other not so cutting edge options if he wants to save some money as many older but still very good chips are great value right now.

As for the video card unless marquess wants to play games does he even need one? He doesn't sound like a very keen gamer from what he has said so far. The onboard video with the motherboard is all he needs if he is only going to be watching dvds. If he does want to play games then he could look for a 6600GT or 7600GS, around 5k. With a budget of 25k you can't expect to be playing all the latest games at the highest resolutions anyway.

Well you are right.

The system I mentioned was not the system that fit a 25k budget, but the PC I plan to build for myself.

You are right that the E6300 is only half the price of the E6600, and still e very good CPU. Faster than most AMD cpu's. Better save on the CPU now, and get a good mothernboard, and this is one of the best. Next year you can buy a E6600 or maybe even a E6700 or E6800 Extreme for much less.

For the graphics, many can do with the build in one, specially for normalle Office applications and Internet. A later graphic upgrade is easy, and can be done when you need it and want to spend the extra money. On the graphic card link, there is a good review on different graphic card in different price ranges. There are also some very good card much cheaper than the one I selected.

My selection of the XFX GeForce 7900 GT XXX is because I need a high capacity graphic card, and this is the best performance you can get under 300 US$ and it can handle most you can trow at it. With the upcomming Vista you really need powerfull graphics if you want all the fancy new graphic features. A game fanatic would probably buy one of the highend 600 US$ cards.

I am also seriously considering the XFX 7950 GT Extreme which is a high performance graphic card with passive cooling. Yes, you can now get super graphic performance without all the fan noise. As you can see from my configuration, I have tried to eliminate as much noise as possible from the PC, without going to the extreme like water cooling.

Yes I am I having a new computer built and would like some advice on hardware. Firstly I am prepared to spend about 20k and this excludes the monitor or anything else external. I want the computer primarily for watching DVD's surfing the next and listening to music. I already have an Audigy Sound Card, so that doesn't need replacing but everything else does. I want the computer to be pretty fast, to have at least a 200GB hard drive and about 1 GB worth of Ram. I have heard that AMD is pretty good chip, which one would you recommend, and at what possible price, which Motherboard, should I be looking at, Which Graphics Card should I be looking out for and how much and is there anything else that I need but but have not menetioned?

The system that adviced about earlier will not fit your budget, but if you start with the motherboard and case, you can a cheaper core 2 duo cpu and less ram, and standard graphics and upgrade later. You can also go for a smaller harddisk. WD also make a good 320 GB. Seagates harddisks are very good and faster than the WD, but a little noisy.

Thanks! I am looking at the website that you were talking about. It seems that having a very good Graphics card is a must, I already have a Seagate 160 as a secondary drive and will be transferring this to the new computer, thus I think that a 200GB should be sufficient. Even if I go over by 5k I am not too bothered, I don't want to have to keep going back for upgrades, too soon!

I understand why you don't want to upgrade to much later.

The most difficult to change is the case and the motherboard, so select a good one from the start, that you can live with the next couple of years. The CPU is not difficult to upgrade, but can be a waist of money if you have to do it to soon. The Intel core 2 duo is the best CPU right now, for the normale PC, and the Intel core 2 duo E6600 if the cheapest with 4 MB cache, like the higher end ones. This will satisfy most for at least the next couple of years. You can start out with 1 GB of RAM without lossing any money, as this motherboard can fit 4 RAM modules. Be advised that many good graphic cards make a lot of noise, because of all the heart they generate. Having two harddisks in one PC also generate a lot of noise. I have this in my current PC, and I will not recommend this. If you need an extra drive for backups etc., I will recommend an external one. It can be an USB of firewire one or the highspeed ESATA II. The ASUS motherboard support all 3 types. It should be easy to upgrade from the standard graphic to a better one latter. Just open the case and plug in the card.

I also recommend to buy as many parts as possible from the same supplier, to avoid future problems. This also goes for future upgrades. So it is also important to find a good supplier and one that will also be there next year, when you need support or an upgrade.

Yes I am I having a new computer built and would like some advice on hardware. Firstly I am prepared to spend about 20k and this excludes the monitor or anything else external. I want the computer primarily for watching DVD's surfing the next and listening to music. I already have an Audigy Sound Card, so that doesn't need replacing but everything else does. I want the computer to be pretty fast, to have at least a 200GB hard drive and about 1 GB worth of Ram. I have heard that AMD is pretty good chip, which one would you recommend, and at what possible price, which Motherboard, should I be looking at, Which Graphics Card should I be looking out for and how much and is there anything else that I need but but have not menetioned?

The system that adviced about earlier will not fit your budget, but if you start with the motherboard and case, you can a cheaper core 2 duo cpu and less ram, and standard graphics and upgrade later. You can also go for a smaller harddisk. WD also make a good 320 GB. Seagates harddisks are very good and faster than the WD, but a little noisy.

Yes I am I having a new computer built and would like some advice on hardware. Firstly I am prepared to spend about 20k and this excludes the monitor or anything else external. I want the computer primarily for watching DVD's surfing the next and listening to music. I already have an Audigy Sound Card, so that doesn't need replacing but everything else does. I want the computer to be pretty fast, to have at least a 200GB hard drive and about 1 GB worth of Ram. I have heard that AMD is pretty good chip, which one would you recommend, and at what possible price, which Motherboard, should I be looking at, Which Graphics Card should I be looking out for and how much and is there anything else that I need but but have not menetioned?

You should read this article Bang for the Buck at ExtremeTech where they describe the best general-purpose PC that can handle almost any task (as they see it. This system is both fast, have very good graphics and is designed with low noise in mind. I am soon also going to my build myself a new PC, and my configuration is very close to theirs. Build a PC with the Best Bang for the Buck

Are you into very a silent PC, you will find the expert advice at Silent PC Review

My system will look something like this:

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E6600

Passiv CPU cooler/low noise cooler: Scythe SCNJ-1000 Ninja heatsink

Motherboard: ASUS P5B Deluxe/WIFI-AP (Core 2)

Memory: Corsair 2x1GB KIT DDR2 PC6400 800MHz XMS2

Graphics: XFX GeForce 7900 GT XXX

VGA Cooler: Zalman VF-900CU

Keyboard: Microsoft Ergonomic 4000

Mouse: Logitech G5 Laser Mouse or Logitech MX Revolution Cordless Laser Mouse

Hard drive: Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5000YS or SE16 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s

Optical drive: Lite-On SHM-165H6S Dual Layer DVD±RW Writer

Case: Antec P150

Monitor: Sony MFM-HT205 20" wide-screen LCD Monitor and TV

Floppy drive/media reader: Mitsumi FA404M 7-in-1 combo

If low noise is not your priority, you simply do without the special lownoise VGA and CPU coolers, and use the standard one supplied with the CPU and graphics card. This will make the system a little cheaper and easier to put together.

I hope this help you to choose a system that fits your budget.

I'm pretty much with Firefoxx on this one.

I've had good results with my ADSL from KSC, minimal downtime and full speed international connections.

BUT

I have the 'commercial' 512/256 connection, cost 1900 per month. I can make no comment on their cheap 900 Baht package but I suspect it will suffer from the same international contention ratio problems of all the other 'affordable' providers

CAT do a 'domestic' version of their SME package for 2800 which gives you a SYMETRICAL 2M/2M connection (the commercial version of this package costs 7000 per month). We have the SME package in the office, but it's not been installed long enough to have any meaningful reliability data.

Do you now have more meaningful reliability data on the SME package?

Was it the 2800 Bath version?

Can you recommend this package for fast international internet connection for IP telephony and VPN?

Is this package also available in Chiang Mai?

Here she is ... the brand new Camry!

Entry level with 2.0 engine (147hp) @ 1,299,000bahts

And 2.4 (167hp) from 1,469,000 to 1,749,000 with GPS and DVD.

Here is the price list and specs from Toyota website

http://www.toyota.co.th/red/th/model/camry/camry_price.asp

6 colors

- white (at last!). White is the classy trendy color in Japan!

- beige

- silver Metal

- Medium silver Metal

- Dark Blue

- Black

I can't find any finance and insurance information on the Toyota site.

Does anybody know the finance and insurance cost from for the new camry's?

(PS. not currently in Thailand)

Chiang Mai is Thailand's second city, but in terms of quality of living, tourist attractions and development potential, it's second to none in Southeast Asia.

The city is famous for her friendly people, refined handicrafts, cool climate and stunning mountain scenery.

For more on Chiang Mai visit:

The Rose of the North

I have traveled in and out of Thailand for the last 10 years, and at no time have I have my ticket checked.

I normally buy my Thai Airways tickets in Singapore, therebuy saving a lot of money compared to buying the same ticket in Thailand, and then I can visit Singapore for free if I want to, or just trow the first ticket if I want to start the travel in Thailand. The ticket have full flexibility and can be changed how many times you want.

regards

Finn

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