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Any Thai health insurance that accepts retirees over 80 years old? What would happen to the retiree older than 80 that can’t signup for health insurance due to age?

4 minutes ago, kokesaat said:

I asked an immigration officer in Iron about this.......as applies to me.  I came here in 1996 at age 46 and am on the same Non-O visa.  After some conversation with another official, she said I qualify.

I understand that what she says today and what actually happens in I renew later in the year may not be the same.  In the meantime, I know of 2 other udonites ho qualify.  One renews in March

Thanks for sharing, good to know they do honor the clause in practice as well. I wasn't sure if it was just a remnant that got carried along with each new order or not, but not recognized.

30 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

 

From a pragmatic point of view, how would he prove that?

 

His older passports would be gone for sure one would imagine?

 

And immigration cannot even keep records on a retiree for more than 12 months. I have to submit reams of the exactly the same documents year after year.

He has never left the country since 1995, if I do remember correctly I've seen some times on the extension stamps, they put the number of times he has done an extension. Other than that, I'm sure it's traceable.

To clarify my friend situation on what type of Visa he has been on since 1995, he has always been on a retirement Visa since he applied for it back then, not a marriage Visa. They got married after he already was on a retirement Visa, and he just kept extending his retirement Visa for the past 24 years, hence he would qualify for 200k in the bank, based on what is written.

2 minutes ago, lamyai3 said:

Doesn't mean he came here before 1998. Since he's not a real life case, I hope this hypothetical 87 year old does go to jail, and draws worldwide attention to immigration's latest mean-spirited policies. 

You are nuts to think that this is hypothetical, in my area alone there are at least 10 expats that I personally know whom are older than 80 years old, most of them have been here for almost 20 years. My american friend in this case is the oldest guy I know of and I've just met with him yesterday.

You must be sick to wish something like this to him.

12 minutes ago, fforest1 said:

If he is 87 and in poor health.....One option would be to forget the visa altogether and ride out the rest of his days visa free....

If he ever gets caught, that means detention and deportation, at his age, not a risk he should take.

Besides, on paper, he would fully qualify to extend based on 200K in the bank because of being here on retirement prior to 1998.

All that is left is, do they recognized and really allow this or not since it's stated on paper in clause 6? because sometimes it might be different in practice. This topic is for asking if someone could share some insights. 

Back to the topic's subject matter, does anyone knows an example of some one who has successfully used the 200K method for people that qualify for retiring here pre 1998.

As mentioned earlier in my original post. I don't see much discussed about here regarding this. I do understand that most people on this forum came here post 1998, but someone might know about it and could share some insights.

6 minutes ago, StayinThailand2much said:

How is that even supposed to work? Who entered Thailand before Oct. 1998, staying here on retirement extensions since then, would be at least 70 (born in 1948), not 60 or 55! Except, of course, if retirement extensions were granted to 40-year olds back then... 

I believe it is addressing the age they were when they acquired the retirement visa before 1998.

Regardless, in his case he's over 60 years of age as stated in clause (a), which is the clause he falls into. So the only remaining question now is, do they recognized and really allow this or not?


 

5 minutes ago, Khaeng Mak said:

He's done for.

How so? 200K in the bank should qualify him. Which he will have in time 3 months prior to his next extension. Again, please note that he has been here on a retirement visa since before 1998.

Unless there is some reason why this would not work, which is why I started this topic to ask.

4 minutes ago, elviajero said:

How much is his monthly pension? And is it transferred to his bank in Thailand every month?

As far as I know, it's not transferred to Thailand monthly, I suspect that whatever pension he's on does not pay out monthly. Hence them having to resort to the money in the bank method.

According to the latest police order on No.6 which I don't see much discussed about here.

It says:



I have a American friend that has lived here since 1995, consecutively on his retirement Visa. for the past 24 years he has used the US embassy income letter, his latest extension was around October 2018, just in time before they stop issuing the letter, so he's good for now.

However, this means that this year will be the first time in his 24 years here that he has to use a different method of extension. He's 87 years old and can hardly walk anymore, international travel for him will be basically near impossible, plus he has nothing to go back to in the US.

At the moment he's living a good life with his Thai wife of over 2 decades that is taking care of him. He has a good pension, but a lot of it goes directly to his medical bills, so from what I've learned, they would be able to deposit the 200K right in time before his next extension but 800k might be a stretch due to his medical bills, so according to the rules stated above, 200K 3 months prior would qualify him for an extension since he has been here before 1998, however, he wants to be sure that this rule is really allowed and will work. having to leave the country is not an option for him, if they insist it has to be 800K he might have to sell some of his property to cover it in time, and even that could be a stretch.

Are you or do you know anyone that has been here before 1998? did they really allow 200K instead of 800K?

 

7 minutes ago, farangx said:

You worry too much and rather unwarranted.  The 800K is the easiest of them all. For me it has always been application on the day takes under an hour depending on IO workload, and then collection the next afternoon.

 

Perhaps this will give you some peace of mind, though not recommended.  A few months back when I did my usual extension, because of my dates miscalculation I could only apply for the extension the day before my extension expires.  On top of that I only realize that morning that my 90 day reporting was 3 days overdue.  How's that for a triple witching hour?.  I am just a retiree that wakes up at 2pm and the brain starts working after 6pm, it has to be a walk in the park. ????

 

Sounds like my worst night mare.. 

1 minute ago, skatewash said:

30 days in advance is the general maximum countrywide as I understand it but some immigration offices (Phuket is one) will do them up to 45 days early.  Phuket didn't ask me why I was doing it 45 days early, but some will ask for a reason (like planned travel or something like that).

Certainly 30 days is early enough.  Two weeks is probably early enough.  I don't understand why someone would go with only a few days remaining, though.  Maybe they enjoy the suspense?  ???? 

Suspense is the last thing I want at my age.

8 minutes ago, CGW said:

I have been doing my "visa" in Udon Thani for the past five years using 800k in the bank, it has never taken any longer than 30 minutes.

The bank book and letter have to have exactly the same amounts stated, preferably dated for the same day, I use Siam commercial bank, before this last year there software never updated the bank book if their had been no transactions and the end amount was the same, this was a problem one year and had to return to bank and take out 100 Baht, last year the software had been changed and updated the book regardless to the the days date, so no need to do anything apart from check.

Good luck.

"The bank book and letter have to have exactly the same amounts stated"

So that probably means, take out or put in a 100 THB first so the bank book can be updated, and has the latest balance for the day, then ask for the bank letter with the same amount as the bank book? I guess that's the only way it can have the same exact balance.

Wish you could tell wich SCB branch you are using, as I've tried to open a SCB account at a branch on Taharn Road before and it was difficult so I tried another bank.

and not to mention the house I've build that's not even in my name, but I've paid for the whole thing. Sigh.

1 minute ago, DrJack54 said:

At some imm offices you can apply 45 days prior. As per bkk and some larger cities perhap chiang mai etc. Others are 30. But you dont need anything more than week or 2 as safe guard. Keep in mind the 3 month period for funds in bank is prior to date you apply. Not the date of your current extension

Noted, thanks for the comfort, at least I can get some sleep. I wished that IM would look in to more accompanying factors as well, the fact that I've been here for so long, but each visit over the years feels more and more depressed to me.

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

You would never be deported for needing more paperwork. You can apply for extension 30 days before your "until date". Slow some buffer if there is something else they want. Chill...after this extension using money in bank you will find it very easy ongoing. 

I was told that I can apply 45 days before my VISA expires? Not sure if that's true or not, but I always went to IM 30 days in advance with my previous extensions, and using the Affidavit method.

5 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Imm at many offices insist on "activity" on the day of application. Just deposit 100baht. I always now do bank letter and activity on the day of app. In past have had letter couple of days prior. Some members will post ..not necessary. Depends in office. Required CW.

Thank you for the tip, hope they would at least show some sympathy for me being an old fart and being here for more than 10++ years already. I just feel like even though I have well much more than the required funds both savings and income, the paper work and sometimes by the book stuff might give me a hard time, with my age I can't handle deportation, let alone any type of international flight. 

2 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

OP, 3 pages for VERY simple question. Perhaps you have already advised in thread where your doing extension. If you haven't then do.

As for CW bangkok, since its your first...do the bank letter at imm office. They open 8.30am. You most likely won't say anything as they do zillion. You will hand over a fee and 100baht deposit into your a/c. Maybe 300b all up. 

Tip. If its cw...have your tm7 all filled  photo etc. When you arrive walk straight past the area where silly people que for form, go inside and get ticket #. Exit go to bank.....think one floor up. Come back with bank letter. Sit wait. Enjoy

I'm doing my extension in Udon Thani actually.

10 minutes ago, pontious said:

No you may be right - I have not  used this before either. Whatever, if you have 800,000 Baht in your bank account and another account to show living expenses and you apply 30 days before I would not lose any sleep over it. Don't worry so much.

You will be fine.

My other spending account is a joint account with my GF, both my name and her name on it. While my 800K account will be only in my name of course. My spending account has well over 100k+ per month going in from overseas as well, but since it's a joint account, I am going with the 800K method using my single name separate account. Alas my spending account would be my resort to the explanation if they ask about "movement" but based on the suggestions in this thread, I won't show it to them unless asked or produce any papers from that account yet, only from my 800k required 3 month spending account.

1 minute ago, pontious said:

I will be going this route this year. Why do you have to add / deduct anything. The ' update ' of the book will show 800,000 on the day will it not?

From my personal experience, if there is no additional movement or change of balance at all, the bank book can't be updated. I might be wrong.

17 minutes ago, skatewash said:

Another thing to worry about.  ???? If you use a small branch it's possible that the bank letter and certified bank statement might take overnight to process.  (Actually I think the guy who has to sign off on the letter isn't always there, maybe only checks in once a day, who knows?)  In the Krungsri Bank branch I use, I have to ask for the letter and statement one day in advance.  Then I come back when the bank opens the next morning and get the letter and statement and then go off to Phuket immigration to apply for the retirement extension.  So for me, my letter is only one or maybe zero days old depending on when they date it.  Never been asked at Phuket Immigration to show activity (the bank balance) on the day of the application, although I understand this is required in other offices, e.g., Bangkok.

 

This is one of the reasons I always apply for my extension between 30 and 45 days early.  Just in case something goes wrong.  So far, it's never happened. ????

I always extend mine 30 days in advance as well, to leave room for fixing any possible problem. I didn't know that you could even extend 45 days in advance?? is that true and the maximum?

2 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Yes, as I said above this is a ringfenced account and I move the extra cash out of it, leaving the 800k alone.

 

Again, as above, I take in my working account book as well just in case. IIRC I have only shown it once and he didn't want a copy, just wanted to see it.

 

As stated in Post 15 don't produce the second book unless they request it- they'll only find something else for you to produce!

Thank you for the tip.

3 minutes ago, farangx said:

With Phuket I never got that, and my account is rather in active.  If you can get a letter from the bank for 1 account and you want to bring other bank books along, it is better not to show them because I like said elsewhere, they might not be able to take it.

 

Also since you can put up the 800K, put up with it until you can stand no more before getting that elite visa.

 

Noted, better to only show what is exactly asked for. But I guess if I'm really pushed if they make a problem about seeing "movement" I have no choice to show my other spending bank book account. 

On 10/12/2018 at 7:07 AM, ubonjoe said:

 A fixed deposit account will be accepted at the majority of immigration offices.

There are a few offices that want to see activity in the account to show you are using it to live on. Having another account with some activity or other proof of the funds you are living on will be accepted to resolve the problem.

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