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The day of the Thai police statement about no DNA the FO updated their advice about Thailand, and it was blatantly a negative response to the Thai polices handling of the case.  That strongly suggests they believe the victim.

 RTP’s handling of crime on KT is a disgrace.  Basically the KT Thais can commit double murder, rape, manslaughter etc with no consequences for themselves.  The only people who suffer are the victims and the patsys  if needed, but only in double murders - individual deaths and rapes can just be ignored.

Future rape victims will probably choose to suffer in silence as they know they won’t get justice and will be trashed in the media by the Thai police.  These are young girls having their lives destroyed 

The expats who live there are so extreme in their denials of the crimes,  Insurance fraud was suggested the other day as the reason for the rape allegation <deleted>

I suppose if you acknowledge the truth then you have to accept that you’ve morally bankrupted yourselves to live your island dream as it’s easy for an expat to work on KT unlike most of the rest of Thailand

The islands mentality probably has an insidious effect too

2 hours ago, jimmynewbie said:

Ive met mon and nomsod , mon comes over as really friendly, kind of sucks you in like he did sean even letting him play with his guns

Nomsod is vile and a taxi driver told me to ignore him even at his young age then.

More die on koh tao than KPG and has far less visitors and locals....

Lets wait for the next rape or death and see if you still spout the same rubbish  

Is Sean the lad who they chased at Sairee and he had to get off the island to be safe after the double murder

22 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

he never was the main suspect in anything...you read kerryd's comment how you wanted to....you're clutching at straws now or perhaps youre trying to get something here that you can screenshot to use on your twitter page??

 

yes, people still goto tao, 100's n 1000's of them....KT is no more dangerous that any other place in Thailand and that is fact..no matter how you all try to stop them with your fantasy tales and  **

 

as for you comments about what you saw on tao...well...i was right in my assumption...this goes for most of the tao bashers here too!

 

 

“THE SAME GUY MANY SUSPECTED TO BE THE REAL CULPRIT IN THE WITHERIDGE / MILLER MURDERS” - This is a direct quote from someone sticking up for KT, I’m not sure how you’ve spun it to me seeing what I want to see, it’s very exact

I have no reason to clutch at straws as I accept there won’t be an investigation and it’s going to be business as usual on KT until the next time

i dont do Twitter 

I did screenshot kerryd’s post for my own reference  as I half expected it to be edited and then be called a liar by the KT cheerleaders

As for your last paragraph, correct me if I’m wrong as you haven’t stated what your assumption is but I’m reading it that its an insinuation that I’m lying about my experience of KT because I won’t state my exact experience, only an overall view.  As you are well aware I have previously stated to you that I don’t see any reason to go into detail and as you kept stating “what you CLAIM to have seen”, basically calling me a liar before I said anything it seems irrelevant as you wouldn’t believe me anyway.

I think it’s best if we just agree to disagree 

13 hours ago, frank83628 said:

and that is why you are now asking all about sunni?
are they not talking about the st trying to pin everything onto THEIR main suspect who they (ST) believe was responsible for the 2014 murders, i dont remember the actual wording from the st article but it insinuated that the bar was in the same spot and run by the certain same people...thats their whole MO...maybe i am wrong about what kerryd meant...they will have to tell you themselves.

at the end of the day the shirt of justice that many TVP were sure was going to bring them the evidence they expected and wanted didn't, add to this the lack of evidence and facts from the girls account.
i would imagine the UK police have done their part in relation to the shirt....its time to accept that there is no weight to the girls claims and the case is not going anywhere.!!

at some point people will also have to accept tao is not evil and dangerous as portrayed in the fantasies made up and passed around by the ST and their merry bunch of thai haters.

Yes that is why - and as I said previously I knew he was insinuated to be the suspect in this case but I had no idea he was “the same guy many suspected to be the real culprit in the Witheridge/ Miller murders” - it does put a very different perspective on the situation 

the information above and the fact that where he works as a barman was where this girl and her friend had their last drink that night is a chilling coincidence 

we’ll have to agree to disagree about this current case, I accept that there will never be a true investigation and we’ll never officially know the truth but my inclination to believe her still stands - I’m not going to laboriously argue each point - my view is that her account makes sense and I’ve not heard one thing that holds any water  as to why it might be a false allegation - your view as is your right I accept is different 

as to your last point point once again we’ll have to agree to do disagree -

I do think KT is a dangerous place and my view was formed by visiting the island not reading ST

Since visiting I have thought there is a general disregard for tourists, a sense of entitlement of islanders (many of the islanders behave however and do whatever they want regardless of any consequences) and a small island mind set that is creating issues.                               I saw it as a general thing however due to my first paragraph I am now left wondering  if there is a more specific problem too 

You can argue your points on here all you like but it won’t change the general bad perception of KT by the wider world as incidents keep occurring.  You can also keep blaming the ST on here all you like but many publications/newspapers/blogs print articles about the dangers and crime on KT.

People keep going, especially the young ones as they think it won’t be them (and likely it won’t be, but it will be somebody) and they’ve heard about the diving and/or the beach parties, whatever it is that is drawing them to the island but IMO eventually the tourists will stop going because the incidents will keep occurring because bottom line is there is IMO a lawless element of Thais on KT and the police aren’t policing when a farang or Burmese is the victim 

I’m no Thai hater and regularly travel all over Thailand.  I enjoy the culture and as I choose to visit accept the rough with the smooth.  However I have found that KT doesn’t follow the usual Thai experience of if you behave there are no problems.  There are basic wrongs in life no matter where you are in the world you are I.e. rape and murder and IMO there are far too many wrongs happening on KT with never any satisfactory judicial outcome. So I choose on principle as is my right to not support the island economy and to limit my personal risks by not returning to KT.

1 hour ago, jimmynewbie said:

They are like it all over Thailand but on Koh Tao more hardcore

One diver posted all over social media after the double murder threatening to report anybody to the Thai police that criticised them (police) and the case, he left KT and was not heard from again.

This man with hoe is well know name Aon

There was also photos of skanky looking thai girls on Koh Tao with an axe after the murders too

Didn’t realise he was well known too

To me it’s irrelevant where the victim and suspect are from - if a Thai came to the UK and was the victim of a serious crime and there was IMO  a whitewash and rapist/killer left loose to possibly carry on I’d feel the same frustration as when it’s a British victim in Thailand. Not cool  to mock the murder of 2 young people

1 hour ago, jimmynewbie said:

here is the photo, wouldn't waste your time with the death island residents they all go quiet once they leave the place anyway

 

Do you think they get dragged into small island mentality while they’re there and then see it more objectively  once they leave

the defence of Koh Tao is almost evangelical 

the truth is is there was a nasty double murder there

the likelihood is they have the wrong guys and the real rapist/killer(s) is still there

there are other suspicious deaths and reports of serious crime

I think this photo is a mechanic that ST incorrectly published, still not nice - I didn’t  realise until this case that it was common for islanders to put photos on fb at the time with hoes, strange 

23 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

where is the comment? 

 

Page 5 of this thread - kerryd 

what have you you asked me 6 times?

41 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

i asked you a question 6 times you deflected each time...but now you want some info...?

 
why the interest in sunny all of a sudden? the DNA shirt everyone was so sure of didn't bring the desired result so now you go after someone else? 
you know you could always just admit that maybe nothing happened and the girl was lying.

 

strange..you sound awfully like another poster..how odd!!

 

 

 

Ha ha classic deflection tactics - allege poster has 2 id’s to destroy credibility, am I hitting a nerve

and no idea who you think I sound like but can guarantee you I have 1 account only

6 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

i asked you a question 6 times you deflected each time...but now you want some info...?

 
why the interest in sunny all of a sudden? the DNA shirt everyone was so sure of didn't bring the desired result so now you go after someone else? 
you know you could always just admit that maybe nothing happened and the girl was lying.

 

 

 

What question 6 times?

I was under the impression from the start that the barman was the suspect in the recent rape case

My interest about his connections was bought about today as a poster who it seems lives on the island said this morning that many suspected he was the real culprit in the double murder when I’d never heard that before

Obviously with that info and the possibile connection to both cases does make his connections of interest

12 minutes ago, JLCrab said:

So if you say what you know you might end up a statistic so nobody says anything which is the same net result as that nobody says anything because they have nothing to say.
 

They could say no he’s not but they’re choosing to ignore

14 minutes ago, jimmynewbie said:

Just look at photos and posts from the double murder he is very close

The ones on the island will not admit this they could be the next statistic

Thanks jimmynewbie

I was thinking he must be connected because none of the islanders have answered

Well so somebody in here said this morning 

the question ive asked 3 times on here today but nobody has answered still stands

is the barman in question related to or connected to any of the main families on the island?

Can anybody who lives on the island answer if the barman insinuated by ST to be the suspect in this case is related or has connections to any of the main families 

9 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Known what this This morning?

Sent from my SM-A720F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

That a lot on the island suspected him to be involved in the double murder

if you don’t live on the island you’ve only heard about head guys son and brother

is the barman related too? 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

yes, strange isnt it that a major thing like anal rape was omitted form their breaking story, after all that surely would be the connection to 2014.

 

personally i think they were using anonymity of the girl at 1st, then that was lost when the police named her.....quick back tracking and story changes followed.

Don’t you think it’s one hell of a coincidence that the person who a lot  on the island think was involved with the double murder is now the barman at the bar where this girl last had a drink? 

She wouldn’t  have known that, I didn’t until this morning 

Is he related to anybody important on the island? 

26 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

the ST sensationalise all their stories to get KT in the spot light each time because the woman running it wants 'her boys' freed, its quoted somewhere in the TV threads her saying 'i'll do anything to for my boys'.!!...hence why ST they constantly trash Tao!!

 

 the photos were not of a suspect in the murder at all!!
1 photo was of a local mechanic who posted a photo of himself holding a hoe, back in 2014/5

2nd was of a local bar man called sunny, standing smiling (who the ST thought were the same person), and posted it because their 'breaking story' said the girl woke up to 'see a man smiling, then left', so from the start the ST were trying to insinuate that it was connected to the 2014 case......the bar was not the same bar, but that didnt stop them attaching the 'not too far from the spot D&H were murdered', well anywhere in sairee beach can be classed as close (but you'd know that form bering there), then all of a sudden the girl was 'anally raped' ..just like hannah was....just near the same spot....now what are the chances??!!...strange the ST didnt mention the anal rape bit in their breaking story...the girl and mother had already spoken to them remember, that's where they got the story..or did the girl or mother forget to mention the anal rape..maybe the girl was still 'drousy'!

Yes photo 1 was a mechanic but photo 2 is a barman who now works at a bar that is either new or refurbished - has he always worked there? 

I don’t know why ST didn’t mention the anal rape maybe trying to protect the girl but realeased later to co oberate their story - you all keep forgetting it wasn’t just the ST that has reported it

I came across some interesting articles the other day by Andrew Drummond 

47 minutes ago, Crash999 said:

Unfortunately, that photo was posted by ST on their own- the person wasn't identified by the girl. The article was extremely misleading in that respect.  

 

She hasn't been able to give a description of the attacker as she says she can't remember what happened. 

I thought she woke up and saw somebody 

have ST just put this together on their own because said person works in the bar she was last in? 

I wasn’t aware until you said that he was who people thought had done the double murder.  All I’ve ever read about is head guys brother and son who ran off to Bangkok

is this guy related to head guy too? 

4 hours ago, Kerryd said:

Right. You totally got the "sequence of events".

 

Except for the parts where she was partying with a (foreign) guy staying in the same room of the same hostel as she was (while her boyfriend was on a different island).

The same guy she went for a "walk in the beach" with after leaving the bar.

The same guy who was still there when she (supposedly) passed out in the beach.

The same guy who was still there when she (supposedly) woke up later on to find that she'd been "raped".

Like I said, if this exact same scenario had of happened somewhere else, like in Liverpool or Brighton or Ibiza, you KNOW who you'd suspect of having "done the deed".

(If it was actually a "rape" at all and not a "drunken hook-up while the boyfriend was somewhere else".)

 

I too have travelled a lot, always alone, and am keenly aware of where I am and what I am doing. Whether it be in Cairo, Amsterdam, Delhi, Dubai, Hamburg, Vancouver or Pattaya. (Yes, amazingly I have walked down Beach Road in the wee hours of the morning, drunk, and never been attacked or pick-pocketed  by hordes of ladyboys, although if you believe everything you read you'd assume that no one who has ever gone there, at that time, has been able to avoid being assaulted/robbed.)

I also have the ability to look at a story and smell the bullshit when it's layered on so thick that you could fertilize half of Isaan with it. Like this story when it broke in the "Samui TImes" which has a reputation for publishing total **** to begin with and then went out of it's way to insinuate that it must have been a certain person who just happened to be the same guy that many suspected was the real culprit in the Witheridge/Miller murders. They even published apparently bogus pictures with the article to try and make it seem like it must have been the same guy.

 

It was all a little too "pat" and smelled like BS from the start and would not be the first time someone went home from a holiday and then made up a fake story, or the first time someone cheated on their boyfriend and then claimed rape to try and cover up their indiscretions.

 

 

We’ll have to agree to disagree because to me even if she was with someone other than her boyfriend on the island that doesn’t make it a false allegation.  If it was something she wanted to cover up there would have been a lot better ways of doing it.

you insinuate she was seeing the lad she was with and then say he should be prime suspect, that doesn’t make any sense

he helped her after and tried to get the CCTV

the differences between if it had happened in the UK are too many and obvious to start listing

I get the ST is not the best but it doesn’t get everything wrong and this came from the girls mother and they weren’t the only ones to report it. I found it interesting that as the girl had seen the attacker and the ST had spoke to the mother and 1 of the photos they produced was as you said a known suspect in the double murder.  As a tourist the girl wouldn’t have known that info.

You seem to know of the alleged suspect, do you think he’s changed his ways since 2014? Do you think it’s right that he’s in a position where he can potentially drug people?  Because you can be aware as you like but if you’re drink is getting drugged at the bar it’s irrelevant how aware you are

we’ll just have to accept we have different opinions on this.  I do think eventually the truth will come out but not via Thai police and I think there will be more victims before it does 

47 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

i'm not going to search back through you posts to find a 'quote',  you have mentioned more than once that you believe her story because you've been there and seen tao for yourself, i'm asking you what you claim to have seen?

And you’re still saying “claim to have seen” , if you were actually interested for open minded reasons you would be asking what I’d seen 

you dont have have to look back at quotes it is correct that I’ve said that

But I don’t have any reason to disclose to you exact circumstances 

why are you so dogmatic that it’s a false allegation? 

36 minutes ago, Thaiwrath said:

Which makes you think, WHY did she go there in the first place ?

Any normal person would not travel to a place, if they thought it was so dodgy.

It stinks of a story to cover her illicit liaison with a KNOWN person, that really has, literally, blown up in her face.  

Because being 19 she probably thought nothing bad would happen to her but when it did it will have all come to mind I would imagine

but the above is obvious

if she’d met someone other than her boyfriend there was quite a few reasonable options of dealing with the situation, it really is grasping at straws to say that’s why she’s made the allegation 

29 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

not really, another member implied they'd been there and knew the place..turned out to have been 2 days 13 years ago..i was just curious as to when you were there and saw what you claim to have seen that made you think the place is unsafe.

“What you claim to have seen” - so you’re stating before I’ve even said anything that you don’t believe me

I was there for several weeks in recent years 

35 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

do tell....when were you there and what did you see

Not a chance, interesting that you want to know when I was there

Oh I did 

11 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

so you know tao and see all these dodgy things going on on a daily basis?

I don’t live there so no not a daily basis but I have been there for several weeks and saw plenty and  I have plenty more I could say