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6 hours ago, Sujo said:
Its not even close to what we consider a normal trial.otherwise none of the senators would be allowed to sit on the trial.
Does the US Constitition disappoint? I am sorry. They don't have to do anything but hold a vote, but never the less, if this was a stronger case in the eyes of the public there would be bipsrtisan support. There is not. I wont attempt to try the case, everyone has an opinion, but it is obvious that the case is weak, they didnt even have unanimity from their own party. Then they held on for a month, trying to bully the Senate to no avail. There simply is not enough evidence to bridge the party divide. It is what it is. The Constitution is determining whether or not this President should be removed for a High crime or misdemeanor. It does come down to Yes or No. The Senate WILL look at evidence, but I think they have the same evidence we have all seen. There is no Watergate Hotel Break-in, no revulsion over a President using an intern in the oval office. Zero bipartisan report. If there was some outrage against Trump the GOP would have turned on him long ago, he isn't really one of them anyhow. They are on his side for good reason. The public also knows full well the DEM party has been attempting to remove Trump since day one.
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7 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:More and more news about the <deleted> they did:
Perhaps people have noticed a stream of similiar doomsday announcements regarding the end of Trump coming out of the lying lips of Maddow and this network? The President is NOT going to be removed from Office. Durham is soon to issue indictments that will rock the Democrat party to its core. They will lose in 2020 including losing the House and will not retake the Senate. OK these are my predictions.
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I married her because I like being daddy warbucks to a hot little hottie half my age who looks good in the morning and good at night. She spends my money well. She takes care of me like no other woman ever has, and she sees me as her personal ATM, and I keep her wallet full. She is funny and makes me laugh. She trims my nose and ear hairs, and massages my feet. Cooks me breakfast everyday. Shops. Cooks me lunch. Orders online. Shops. Cleans the house meticulously. Cooks me dinner. Shops some more. Only understands half of what I say, and could care less about the other half. I get to be king of my castle. As long as I treat her like a queen. It's cool.
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Go down into the NY subway and you will see rats running around the tracks 24 hours a day. Early in the morning walk down the streets, you will see a rat or two. I would say the same is true for every major city in the entire world, including wherever this woman comes from. Rats are global.
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55 minutes ago, Sujo said:
A senate trial is a political trial. Not a criminal trial. There is no presumption of anything.
Guilt or not is decided by each senate member by their own standard.
An attempted case is being made here that Donald J Trump is GUILTY or NOT GUILTY of Abuse of Power and Obstructon of Congress. IF no case is made, he is found to be NOT GUILTY, which by the Senate. Now a person can play with words all day long but there wil be an outcome of this Senate trial. The entire United States law is built around the concept of innocent until proven guilty, even if this is not a courtroom. You are correct that this is a political trial, but never the less, evidence is being examined as presented to the Senate by the House. Evidence of what? Abuse of Power by the President and Obstruction of Congress. Why the word play? One could say in two weeks "cleared of all charges" I suppose, as that is what is going to happen.
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8 hours ago, Samui Bodoh said:This GAO report is merely another nail in the coffin.
There is no coffin. The Democrat party is in the process of playing the absolute last card. No more then two weeks and this is all over. Trump remains in office, and stronger then ever. What is left? Barr and Durham.
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1 minute ago, bristolboy said:
Right at the bottom of the poll it says the the poll has a margin of error of plus or minus 2. This is the work of experienced statisticians. Please share with us your specific disagreement based on statistical grounds.
I had a whole lot of links but decided to pull them just to get right down to it: The sample size vs population vs confidence level is simply a statistic agreed? Now this sample must be a random sample. Perfectly random. But how do I know if Bias is in this sample of the respondants? For example, a sample of something scientific for example uses the same numbers right? A measure of a population in nature, a sample taken and a statistic is then used. But how can I apply the same numbers across a human population, that lies about feelings (purposefully or via self deception), does not hear correctly, does not understand, changes mind 10 minutes later, etc? Because that is exactly what is happening. Hence the need for multiple samples, and even then they come out wrong. So yeah, I don't trust a 1,995 sample size for all the reasons I just mentioned. You can search on why Trump polls were wrong in 2016 and find all kinds of potential reasons more or less all related to reasons I gave. So to answer you on statistical grounds alone, which is the math only, of say a sample to determine mushroom density in North American forests, I can answer on statistical grounds alone, but a sample of human beings, uses more then statistics. It has to account for bias of human beings. How is that mathematically guesstimated? It isn't very well is it? or there would not need to be so many pollsters.
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On 1/12/2020 at 4:36 PM, earlinclaifornia said:On 1/12/2020 at 12:08 PM, bristolboy said:
Thanks for the facts reflecting just the opposit of was just said. Some keep repeating oping the lie becomes truth. Nancy's Hosue will soon gain many more seat than the majority they have, facts back up this assertion. Not empty repetition which is all they have.
The current polls in support of either party, as a predictor, are absolutely meaningless.
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Good for them!
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2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:
I think we can now agree you don’t understand statistical sampling.
My argument is that the sample size is not sufficient. I base that on my understanding of statistical sampling.
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1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:ou seem not to know the law.
The presumption of innocence relates to criminal investigations/criminal trials, it has no relevance to an impeachment which is a political, not a criminal, process.
This is simply completely false. Allow me to offer proof. A Senate trial is being held. The Senators just took an oath. It is being run as a trial, If the President were to be presumed guilty already all of this would be unncessessary.
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6 hours ago, simple1 said:
The longer trump remains in power it occurs to me the founding fathers did not take into consideration the likes of trump to become President.
As a student of politics I would be greatly interested in quotations from the American Founding Fathers that support your theory, as well as perhaps expounding on what specifically it is that shows this relationship between length of time, and your conclusion. You can respond privately. I promise not to respond to you with argument. I will just read what you have to say.
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6 hours ago, candide said:
This poll is a survey of less then 2,000 registered voters. That is a pretty small pool. Would anyone out there agree with me on that fact alone?
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1 hour ago, Sujo said:
What evidence relevant to the charges would those people have.
Schiff and Ciaramella provide evidence that this was a contrived plot to take down a President that was hatched with political purpose. Obviously if the so called whistleblower was coached to make his complaint it has import. Biden's provide evidence as to whether they were acting out of corruption, which speaks directly to the President on the phone call and the Abuse of Power charge against the President as being out of self motivation rather then to protect the interests of the USA. Obviously if Joe Biden and Son are shown before the American people to have engaged in corruption it speaks to the President's intent.
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1 hour ago, Sujo said:
Poor Donald. Acted illegally holding up the aid.
THat remains to be seen. I think the answer will be provided by the Senate of the United States in about a week.
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43 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:Oddly it is the firsthand witnesses that Trump and the GOP are desperate to withhold from giving testimony.
Private conversations with the President concerning the formulation of policy are executive priviledge. Any Whitehouse held by EITHER party will ALWAYS argue it that way. Nothing different here. As for something wrong, the charge is a rather vague "abuse of power" this comes down to the intent of the President, more then what he did or did not do. Was his intent to protect the interest of the USA against corruption as exhibited by the Biden Family? Well if the Democrats wish to insist on calling witnesses.. Bring them in. As for us, crack a beer and watch the biggest political candidate meltdown you have ever seen in your life as Joe Biden and son are wiped across the floor.
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6 hours ago, Jingthing said:The president's supporters complain about a lack of first hand witnesses but fail to mention that the white house aggressively blocked them (and documents) to an unprecedented degree in American history. Wanting it both ways. Hoping enough of the American people don't see that clear hypocritical contradiction. Also labeling Sondland as "their guy" meaning the democrats is incredibly silly.
It sounds like the Democrats have a disagreement with the legal analysis of the President of the United States and his legal team. Not the first time in US history that this has happened, and that cuts both ways between parties. It matters not to the degree, as the remedy is always the same. The remedy is to go to the Highest court in the land and give argument as to the legality of the subpoenas. You see, the Congress is NOT a branch of Government above the President of the United States, they are a co-equal branch. The Democrats chose NOT to exercise their right to contest to the court, and instead decided to label this an impeachable offense. It's not. Just because a politically motivated majority decides to say so is absolutely meaningless. They were unable even to get a full majority of their own party to go along. Now the Senate will argue this, and on its face the charge should simply be thrown out as it makes no sense. Sondland simply gave worthless testimony. It's all a political hit job and.... God help the Democrats if they let witnesses in. Then not only will they lose the impeachment but they will absolutely and totally destroy Biden as a candidate. Although it could be argued he is already destroyed simply from what comes out of his own mouth.
As for the first charge abuse of power, in order to prove that the President was acting on behalf of the United States, the President will attempt to prove that it was Joe Biden who abused his office. It's gonna get rough witnesses get called, as I said. Democrat farce comes to a bitter end!
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I am not using the same method but I will say that Bangkok bank gives me a great deal on my direct deposit funds from USA. Spot on the bank spot rate. I have been doing this for two years.
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Oh and I aint here to whine. I am here to gloat!!! Cuz this obvious sharade is over! and The Real Donald Trump is gonna be Re-elected soon enough. Indictments are coming for the clowns! It must feel like a giant thumb from the clouds rubbing the tops of the Democrat pea brain skulls into sand! Oh the tears are gonna fall! Cry on! Nothing else they can do is there.
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McConnell, has gotta be laughing his ass off, especially, if the whole witness can of worms gets opened. The best thing that can happen for Democrats is this ends quickly next week. The Leftist scumbag game is over!
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U.S. Democrats to press for impeachment witnesses throughout trial
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I just wish that once I could get a response that does not need to state what is in MY mind. I have no misunderstanding. There really is no reason to say so.
Here I will argue the otherside, Executive priviledge should never be used by A President because that's illegal, the President obstructed congress when he challenged Congress to go to the court, Hunter Biden was obviously not being paid simply because his Father was VP and point man on Ukraine, his family obviously was not being enriched and it is a total lie that any DEM operatives were working in Ukraine. Pres. Zelensky is a liar when stating his view, President Trump was acting from self interest and was in violation of law, as GAO has said.
That is the Dem case. How did I do?
...so the Senate will decide soon. Perhaps my 2nd grade education has it all wrong and a gang of GOP Senators are going to have a sudden gasp and decide to remove the POTUS in a Perry Mason moment. Maybe.