HappyAndRich

On ‎9‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 12:36 PM, Maybole said:

Logic fails me

Welcome to Thailand.

38 minutes ago, hobobo said:

Maybe many people have been here a long time and experienced the things they warn you about? Just thinking aloud....

Just because of few comments, you do not have to think that I´ve just come here. That was over 20 years ago.

It´s pure and simple. if you act well behaved, well dressed with a positive attitude. You shall be the first that smile at your Immigration officer, before he need to do that to you. if they ask for something, give it to them. Be sure to tell the truth with an explaination that is valid and that you can back up with proof.

Do not look like you have something to hide, and always have what you need. Then there is no people that have problem with immigration.

Sure, there have been and still are corruption. If you choose to stay in a country that has, then you better be prepared to deal with it without complaining.

10 hours ago, Nyezhov said:

20000 Baht is not a large amount of cash. 500 Quid as you would say. Thats three nights in a Go Go.

Now I definately know where the phrase "Cheap Charlie" originated from. 3 nights?

To OP: Yes you should always carry 20K in cash money with you when entering Thailand.

1 hour ago, overherebc said:

That can be office dependant. Some only require a new TM30 if you change permanent address. Each would have to check with the Imm' office they use.

TM30 should be given every time you leave and enter the Kingdom again. That is the most common way most officies work. If you travel inside Thailand and stay at hotels, then the hotel has the responsibility to report your address. that however, will only be seen as a temporary address, which means you will not have to file a new TM30 on arrival at home address. If you stay with friends or in any other way, you should report again on arrival at home address. However, there is actually no proof that you left home, so you can skip that.

4 hours ago, ubonjoe said:

Same if you have a multiple entry non-o visa issued by an embassy or consulate.

Or do you actually have a one year extension of stay issued by immigration. If you leave on or before the 90th day you do not need to do a report of staying longer than 90 days in the country.

Yep, that´s right but it will still be the same visit to immigration office. That due to that you will have to report a new TM30 when you arrive again.

Just that you will have to do it when you come back instead of every 90 day if you not leave.

Hell, there are many people that purely just want to scare you on this forum.

Ok, you are on overstay, and do not believe there is going to be any use of having an excuse for your situation.
However, you should be fine if you report yourself to immigration and pay the fines they will ask for, and you should be able to get your extension. The only thing is that yu must not get caught before in any kind of check out of various reasons. then you will be banned and deported.

The best choice for you is to take yourself to the closest border, not Aranyaprathet. Flying out would be the top choice and most safe if you grab a taxi to the airport.
Anyhow you will have to pay the fine when you leave. After you can apply for a visa in a nearby country or in your home country. You might get grilled a little bit next time you try to enter Thailand, but should be fine. Just see to that you have all requirements with you when  enter.

Good Luck!

2 minutes ago, MonsterInsideMe said:

Ok I will go to immigration and see what they have to say. Hopefully i can file it.

 

but this looks to be a big headache as I travel a lot, so everytime I will have to file TM 30.

 

regards

 

Also If anyone had similar experience or any advise plz reply.

I also move a lot, but everytime I come back it has been easier to file the TM30. For me it was only the first time they wanted to have a little bit of papers as proof. The other times I don´t have to fill in anything. They just read my passport in the scanner and up it comes. They print out again and I sign. Hope it works like that in most places. Super easy!

Good Luck!

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Not how the British Embassy verifies income. Requires documented proof of your income. Completely different system to the US Embassy. I presume that you are a US citizen and have no doubt that your fellow countrymen routinely swear false affidavits as to their income. Not possible with British citizens.

Nope, not US citizen. How was it now? Are you stating an accusation that US citizens are falsifying their affidavits now? How grossly insulting to US citizens.

Even if you need documented proof of income, that can be obtained somewhere for a price, and you can still falsify the document.

However, there is no need for more discussion about the subject. That due to there is no way they will accept them no more, which is perfect and eliminates the falsifying risk.

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

I operated my first computer at my local university in 1969. I have worked with computers ever since. I know exactly what computers can and can't do. Doubt that they would be able to effectively reproduce my P60. As for the British Embassy letter, it has an embossed seal, it's all about the paper that it's printed on, not the computer itself.

 

Try printing a banknote on a piece of A4 paper, using a computer alone, do you think that your bank would accept it?

1969? Was that the egyptian abacus? On second thought maybe it was the tabulating machine.

However, you win! No I do not think my bank would accept it. Do you really believe a person counterfeiting money would try to change them in a bank?

20 minutes ago, Spidey said:

My pension letter (payslip) comes in the same form as my P60. Paper not readily available and very difficult to photoshop effectively.

 

If you are talking about the BE letter, has an embossed seal and again, not readily availiable paper. Not possible to effectively scan and print.

You would be amazed to know what is possible to do with a computer since the first IBM 1984.

4 minutes ago, Spidey said:

So you have no evidence that this is happening. You just wish it were true. Nobody is asking you to hang anybody out. You have already stated that you know people that do this. I just asked what method they use, not names.

What method? Do you really know what you are talking about? There is only one method. It´s signing and giving a flase and higher income amount than they have. That both for US and UK citizens. After that you get the stamp, and leave it with your application. Before it could be possible that Immigration did a check by asking for passbook or bank statements, but very rarely. now that is going to be a standard issue instead of no proof at all with income letters. Time to live in the real life.

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

If you have evidence that British citizens have been submitting false documents to obtain income letters, then provide it. Otherwise it's grossly insulting to British Citizens who have been playing by the rules compared to those that swear false affidavits or those that use visa agents to circumnavigate the 800k baht rule.

Are you seriuos? Should I be the one that hang people out? It´s enough that everybody knows this is an ongoing thing. I am not saying that everybody does this, just that it exists too much. Why do you think Immigration want the UK Embassy to guarantee the information on these papers? Just because everything is all Hunky Dory?

If you want to live in your bubble of grossly insulting and out of touch with reality, be my guest. I choose to live in the real world, where everybody knows what´s going on. I will leave it with that, but you will surely have another comment. Have a nice day.

7 hours ago, Spidey said:

The only proof of income that the Thai Immigration will accept is an embassy letter. There is no indication that this policy is likely to change. British citizens are no longer able to provide proof of income.

 

There is also zero evidence that even one British expat has submitted falsified documents to the BE to obtain an income letter. Your suggestion is quite insulting.

Like I stated in my comment, we have to wait and see what solutions that are going to be available. I, am quite sure there is going to be a possibility to prove income in another way. Like for example that they are going to accept a translated proof from your pension provider stamped by MFA, and that you have to provide bank statements showing the money stamp by your thai bank. The money must be transferred to Thailand every month of course.

My comment about income letters is not insulting at all.

7 hours ago, Spidey said:

Immigration law does state that 65k monthly income is acceptable. The proof required is an embassy letter.

 

Do you think that the requirement will be changed for anyone? Thai Immigration have an easy, workable system, it's the British Embassy (and possibly others) that are refusing to use a tried and tested system. Why would the TI change a perfectly good system to accommodate the BE? There would also be loss of face for TI. Isn't going to happen.

Yes, Immigration law does state 65K monthly income is acceptable. The text and instructions are writtwn like this:

- A copy of bank statement showing a deposit of the amount equal to and not less than 800,000 Baht or an income certificate (an original copy) with a monthly income of not less than 65,000 Baht, or a deposit account plus a monthly income totalling not less than 800,000 Baht.

- In the case of submitting a bank statement, a letter of guarantee from the bank (an original copy) is required.

That will then mean an income certificate can be anything verifying an income. It can also mean that it´s going to be enough with bank statement and letter of guarantee from a Thai bank. nowhere is Immigration going to have a loss of face. nor do they actually need to change any of the major rules. They already exist.

7 hours ago, Spidey said:

Have you got any evidence that British citizens have been falsifying income documents to obtain an embassy letter? No I thought not.

 

Yes grossly insulting.

Yes, I have evidence. Both on the UK side and the US side. That together with the knowledge of that as soon as a chance appears as an easy solution to get away from the real deal, many people instincively choose the wrong path. You know that too, so back to reality.

2 hours ago, OJAS said:

The only certainties AT THE PRESENT POINT IN TIME (in uppercase purely for emphasis) are:- (1) the British Embassy will be discontinuing its income confirmation letter service from 1st January, and (2) in the absence of an Embassy letter, the only method of proving finances for a retirement/marriage extension is 800k/400k in a Thai bank account seasoned for 3/2 months. Pending ANY ACTUAL (again in uppercase purely for emphasis) official announcements from the Immigration Bureau and/or other embassies (WHICH MAY NOT NECESSARILY BE FORTHCOMING), everything else which has been stated on this matter over the past couple of weeks or so should IMHO be treated as hearsay and idle speculation generated by the Thaivisa rumour mill.

Everything other say is speculation, and all you state is the facts then? You can belive what you want, and the others believe what they, I and we do.

However, you seem to be very worried.

32 minutes ago, totally thaied up said:

I was getting over 40K a month for my marriage extension. AUD drops like it has, I am know getting 38K a month and no way to do a combo method. My pensions is for life, it will not change until I die but in the grand scheme of it all, the currency exchange rate can kill you. I have to use the 400K method now.

Why is there no chance for a combo method? That rule has not changed. Nothing more than that Immigration do not accept worthless income letters that prove nothing at all have happened. If you can do the 400K method and are safe, at the same time as you have 38K a month. Yeah, then you must be able to do the combo too, right?

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Not necessarily. Some people invest money in Thailand and live off the interest/dividends. More commonly, some people buy property here (condos) and rent it out and live off the rental income. So income coming in from Thai sources but nto owrking in Thailand nor on a Thai pension. The question has been raised elsewhere as to whether that is allowable. I don't know the answer.

If the kind of income you are referring to is a legal income that you will not need WP for, and also pay any tax combined with the income. Then that kind of income should be allowed to use as part or full economy needed to be eligible for a Non-O Visa based on retirement according to Immigration law and Thai tax law. How they will look at it individually due to that every officer is given to much individual power. Hell yeah, that is something that nobody can answer. ????

18 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Do you really seriously believe that Thai Immigration are going to modify their existing income procedures and requirements solely for the benefit of us Brits? I really cannot see any way in which we'll simply need to provide proof of depositing 65k in a Thai bank account each month, despite what the Embassy have said. It'll be either 800k in the bank for 3 months, or a one-way flight back to Blighty before your existing retirement extension expires. And I am by no means alone on here in my view on this!

Do you seriously believe this is only affecting Brits? All other income letters are going to follow the same destiny.

And, yes, I do believe they are going to offer an option, due to that the Immigration law states its 800K or 65K a month. Or do you think they will change the law only for the UK Embassys income letter problem?

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

Also- did she indicate whether the 65 a month would have to be coming in from abroad?

Why would she need to indicate that? 65K per month is for a VISA extension regarding retirement. With that VISA you are not allowed to work.*
if you then show an income in Thailand, by transfers from a Thai source, that will be very hard to explain. That would mean you are an expat with a Thai pension.

2 minutes ago, Expattaff1308 said:

Care to share how this is possible & acceptable to Immigration?

With the withdrawal of the Embassy Letter this is what most of us have been waiting for.

Your embassy letter has never been any proof of income. Just a paper worth nothing, that has wrongly been accepted by the Thai immigration. Now they are wide awake and understand that fact.

As I wrote at the end of my comment, we will all have to wait and see what possibilities that will be available. just to humour you, i can take a possible scenario.

1. Monthly transfers have to be made into a Thai bank account, which is as it should be when you stay somewhere you will need money anyway. Immigration say that they want you to have a minimum of 65K a month, and then that´s the rule to abide. If you have 65K transferred it´s easy to prove that by passbook or bank statements.

2. They will probably want to see another verification instead of embassy letter. That might then be your pension letter, that has been translated to thai and stamped by relevant authority. For married people earning income, they already want to know the origin of the money.

Just an example, but as said. There will open up a possibility, but what t will be is not clear yet.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Do the funds really need to be transferred into Thailand MONTHY?

Yes!

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

65K a month left in your account untouched for 12 months that shows 800,000 at end of the year, 65K a month that you can use them top up with 3 months to go before renewal, or 65K a month you can use to live on?

This is like a trick question, and deserves a trick answer. You will probavbly get away with showing 3 month with 65K transferred to a Thai bank account the first extemsion. The year after they probably will ask to see the transfers a full year back. That´s what I would doif I were an officer, to see if all expats really follow the rules.

They want to see 20K, if they bother to ask. Better safe than sorry.

48 minutes ago, OJAS said:

Absolutely pathetic, particularly the final sentence, I think. The British Embassy are clearly labouring under the misapprehension that 800k grows on trees as far as we expat retirees are concerned. At least one individual has reported that he will be faced with having to stump up this colossal amount in his Thai bank account by as soon as March 2019.

What is pathetic? If you stay in a country you will clearly need money in the country you stay. therefore it can not be considered pathetic that a countries immigration what to see sufficient funds for issue a visa. You will not need to transfer 800k into an account if you don´t want. There will still be a way to show monthly income, but it has to come into a thai bank account so it can be truly verified. That is not pathetic, but it´s needed. There has been too many expats living in this country on falsified document regarding proven income, so that must just come to an end. There has been no indications that Immigration will change the possibility to prove monthly income, just because one office has ne officer that told one expat this. The only change that is a fact so far, is that things need to can be shown in real light and can not be hidden behind a false paper. Everything else we will just have to wait and see what solution that is going to be available.

3 hours ago, steven2018 said:

My understanding is that 3000+ Brits could be affected by this, hopefully it gets worked out to a good resolution.

Affected? How can that be? Are they that many that falsify income letters, or do you walk around believing that there is not going to be possible for them to prove pension or income in any way?

22 hours ago, djdubuque said:

my question is if your wealth let's say you have an account with 100 million USD in it cause you won the lottery.  Do these requirements still apply?

Strange question. Why would you even bother with enough money? Do the smart choice. bring 20 million baht into the country. Get investment visa, and leave the other money invested in the western world. I mean, we are talking about smaller than 1% of the capital you are mentioning.