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11 minutes ago, ubonjoe said:

It was rejected due to you not being in the widow for doing the report since you had already done the report.

The rejection will not affect doing another report on either system. You local office end of either system is still the same as far as I know.

Thanks @ubonjoeas always. I will not waste time going to immigration then.

8 minutes ago, KhaoNiaw said:

I can't answer your question about the systems. But the new reporting date you've got there goes way beyond 90 days.

Oh sorry. You have a very keen eye. Yeah, that was my permitted of Stay (visa expired). New reporting date is this.

My next reporting date is 06 Dec 2021.

I submitted report online in the old system (as I always do) on 28 Nov 2021. Got approved with the new reporting date set to 04 Mar 2022.

I learned about the new TM47 reporting website. I submitted another report on 05/12/2021 13:59:15 - 1 day before 06 Dec 2021 expiration and it's Sunday. Long wait. Today (18 Dec), I received an email "Your application for "STAYING LONGER THAN 90 DAYS" has been rejected". No reason specified.

Is this a cause of concern considering that I got my approval in the old system? Do you think I will have a problem in my next reporting if I did not go to immigration office and fix my issue in the new system? What could be my issue in the new system?

Since I started this post, I'll also share my own experience. They called us a day before the visit (maybe around 4PM) to tell us they will come 1:30PM the next day and to print another set of pictures with my 2 kids in front of the house and inside. Also to print the house book and ID's of the 2 witnesses. We've also told to prepare a table for their laptop and printer. I guess around 1:20PM they already inside the compound since the gate is open. The car is very quiet and we didn't hear them coming. As everyone have said, they didn't ask me directly much. More on the witnesses like how long they have known me. My confusion is that if I understood, they also ask the witness about their family income. Seems not in anyway related to me.

We just received another call today that they asked more documents such as my Father in law house book and id, house book of my 2 kids. It's fine but the only hassle is that, they didn't asked for these when we go to immigration office 2 times before, or when officer visit the house. Now I need to go back again to immigration office. 

But so far the visit is fine, we prepared them some snacks. They took more pictures with us, and standing with them in front of the house and beside the police car. They said normally its only on first visit. 

On 3/13/2021 at 2:37 PM, Gahn5 said:

Two Officers arrived at our place the day after my application was submitted and were very polite. 

We offered them cool drinks, which they accepted, they took out a printer from their car to use to copy the Id cards of the two witnesses who are our neighbours (and not related) and asked them various questions; how long had their known me and the wife, what's he like, is he good with the villagers and kids, how many live in the house etc.

Talk was mainly Thai or Khmer, some English, stayed for about an hour looking around downstairs but didn't go upstairs.

Basically, could the witnesses attest to the farangs character? Our village is very close-knit with the other neighbours being aunts or cousins or in laws; even had the village mayor sitting outside, and they only had a short chat with him.

All in all, no problem as the purpose of these visits is so they know there's no dodgy scam marriages going on.

That was fast! Did they call you before they arrive?

Hello, I just submitted my application for extension of stay (marriage) yesterday. IO told us to wait for a call within 1-2 weeks for a house visit. Two witnesses should not be a relative. As this is our first time, what can I expect in this process? I also have these few questions if you know the answers:

• Witnesses should not be a relative. Does it mean we could not bring the cousins of my wife? They're not living in the same house or compound.
• Will they knock the neighbors? There's one neighbor (adjacent), a relative of my wife who is not in good terms with the family. ???? 
• What they usually do when they visited, do they inspect the full house?
• What are the usual questions?
• Any other tips for me?

And also, I'm confused with the timing. My passport has only until April 12 for my valid stay. IO stamp another 1 month because, so now it becomes May 11. IO said I will go back May 11 for receive extension if approved. That's 2 months from now. Is it really that long? 

Thanks.

3 hours ago, superal said:

but what happens when you re enter after your 90 day stay / border run , your going to have new covid insurance again ? which will have to  cover you every time you re enter Thailand , so all in all 1 years covid insurance  ?

If you do border run I think yes you need another insurance. But in my case I will apply for 1 year extension or 60 days extension if I still need to stay in Thailand. I will not do border run.

3 hours ago, paddyfield7 said:

I agree that the definition *Insurance must cover the whole duration of stay in Thailand* is unclear, in particular for those re-entering on an annual extension of stay. I just asked the Royal Thai Embassy in Switzerland about that, and they replied two days ago

 

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- We recommend that your insurance for COVID-19 should be at least for 3 months from your departure date from Switzerland.

 

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Also just to make sure, I emailed Thai embassy. Here's their response ????. Not concise compared to your embassy, but I'm already fine with it. Will buy 90 days coverage.

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For the health insurance coverage it should be at least 3 months or the length of your stay in Thailand. 

2 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

As far as I'm aware there isn't a multiple entry spouse visa so I'm still not sure what visa you where issued. All visa's have an "enter by" date and other than the multi entry tourist visa (9 months) they are valid for 3 months from issue.

 

While in Thailand you convert the Non-O to a "marriage visa" i.e. extension to stay based on marriage which gives you the 12 months without having to do border runs.

Yeah, that's what I'm going to do next. I'll apply for extension 1 month before my non-o visa expire. I can promise you though I have Non-O multiple entry ????

But the very helpful answer I got here is that I just learned that I can only stay max 90 days even if I have 1-yr multiple entry visa. Going back to my question, that means I should get a 90 days coverage of Covid-19 Insurance which could lower my cost to 12K THB.

16 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Not as I understand it or am I mistaking the type of visa:

 

 

http://www.thaiconsulatemelbourne.com/visa-information

Yeah, it didn't show from the picture if multiple entry on SPOUSE. If Single entry, then it's right that will only be valid 3 months from the date of issue.

3 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

When the borders are still closed when your 90-day permission to stay almost expires, you can of course apply for the 1-year extension of stay based on your Non Imm O Visa at your local IO.

However, you would need to provide evidence of +800K seasoned for at least 2 months on your personal Thai bank-account at the moment of application when applying for the 1-year extension for reason of retirement (you only need +400K when applying for reason of marriage).

The above means you do not have much time (approx 1 week) to open such a personal Thai bank-account after you come out of quarantaine and ensure that the required funds are transferred to that account at least two months before the moment of application for the 1-year extension.  Although you can apply till last day of your permission to stay, it is best to do it a couple of days earlier in case the documentation for your application is not complete.

Okay, I think I can do that. I'm aware of struggles of first-timers applicants of extension based on marriage but I think I can do it. I have enough savings in my Thai bank account seasoned for more than a year already. I've been working in Thailand in 2017 - December 2019 and my bank account still active and I keep sending money there for family support.

I just realized now that I was wrong getting a 1 year multiple entry visa, where in fact I can only stay 90days at a time. I thought that could be use for a full year without needing to exit.

6 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

Just to clarify, what exactly do you mean by never been used e.g. you had a visa issued in your home country but never travelled or you left Thailand and have a reentry permit?

Yes, that's correct. When I got my visa in March 2020, the Travel ban started so I wasn't able to fly to Thailand. It's a brand new visa. I'm using Non-B in the past. I left Thailand in Dec 2019.

11 minutes ago, Peter Denis said:

A Non Imm O Visa (even if it is a Multi-Entry 1 year one) only provides a permission to stay of 90 days from date of arrival.  The requirement that the 100.000 US $ covid-19 insurance should cover the length of your intended stay in Thailand, actually means that your policy should cover you for that 90-day permission to stay you will receive on entry.

Also if you are under 70 years of age you could opt for a SafetyWing travel-insurance policy which provides accident/illness coverage up to 250.000 US $ and includes covid-19 treatment.  And the premium of that policy is approx same or LOWER than the TGIA covid-19 only policies.

Thanks for that info and clarifying that even if I have 1 year multi-entry, I'm only allowed to stay 90 days at a time from the date of arrival. In that case, I can actually buy 90 days of coverage only. But this also open a new problem because that means to say I need to exit Thailand and I can't do that because I need to be quarantined again if I go back to my country and quarantine again when I go back to Thailand. I thought I want to stay in Thailand for maybe 6-9 months or until the situation go back to normal.

I'm prepared to apply for 1 year extension based on marriage if my current visa is permitted for it. What could be my options?

8 minutes ago, durhamboy said:

Your quote seems expensive. I paid THB6,400 for 90 days from a Thai insurer. Go to 

 

I got my COE with this. As I understand it the insurance should cover the period of your visa although yours is a bit different in that you already have one that is mostly expired. I would think that you would need only cover for the remaining period but does your visa still be ok to get your COE? Unsure,

That's half of what I am currently looking, can you let me know your Thai Insurer/Agent?

I believe my visa still valid to get COE, it's not expired yet and as I understand the count of days of stay will start on your entry not on the expiry days on your visa.

Hi Folks,

After almost a year being away to my family in Thailand, I now starting to plan my return on mid January. My visa is Non-O (based on marriage), issued March, 2020 and to expire March 2021 (1 year visa). Never been used for obvious reason - I'm stuck in my country. I understand the entry process to Thailand, I just don't know exactly the period of coverage of Covid-19 insurance I need to buy. 30, 60, 90, 180, or 365 days? From this site https://www.tipinsure.com/CovidRegional/step_1 it says that *Insurance must cover the whole duration of stay in Thailand. That's understandable. BUT I'm not really sure if I will stay the 1 whole year, even if I got a 1 year visa. If Thailand relax the entry/exit within the next year, I would probably will do some exits and back again. If I know I will stay full year, I will buy 1 year coverage. But the premium is really expensive, and not worth it if I did not stay the full 1 year. I'm probably fine with 90 days or 180 days.

But the problem here is if COE will not get approve the period coverage if embassy will base on 1 year visa? (They can assume I will stay full 1 year). Would like to ask opinion from here if anyone has knew or has experience on it this.

Thank you!

1 hour ago, khunPer said:

It probably won't make any difference when you are already married, half land/house would be yours in case of divorce.

 

However a last will would make sense, and also either usufruct agreement or habitation right. If there is no will a spouse is eligible to 50 percent of the assets, the other half to be divided between children.  Only if there are no blood heirs – i.e. children, grandchildren, parents, other siblings in that order – a spouse receives the entire assets.

 

If it's a new build house then – to my knowledge and experience – both names need to be on all documentation from drawings and superficies to building permission, and on all contracts and receipts, or transfers from shared bank account...????

The last point is relieving. Yes, it will be a new house. I have 2 kids now with my wife - 2 yrs old and 2 months old. Already bought 2 lands all in her name. Maybe I just want to have some peace of mind that at least for the house she could not just do anything on it without my knowledge. These are all for the kids future.

22 hours ago, khunPer said:

I presume it is, but what would you gain from that if the house is acquired after marriage, where Thai-law states 50/50 ownership, and who owns the land, under the house?

Wife also wants to put her name as the owner. I bought the land, and as you know it must be under her name. For me personally, I'm not sure what would be advantage if my name is also put in the house. But if it's possible, why not.

On 10/25/2020 at 8:31 PM, khunPer said:

You can/should make a superficies agreement, which allows you to be owner of a building on the land – however, you still don't own the land under the building. but the usufruct might secure that part – you can read more about superficies HERE:

 

Having the land and building separated with a new-build house, doesn't give you any registration in a land office. Your proof of ownership is, apart from a superficies agreement:

 

1. All architect drawings in your name.

2. Building permission in your name; a superficies will be needed for that – that might be why, your building constructor is skeptical about just putting your name in a contract – or a similar kind of contract/permission from the land owner. The architect applying for building permission, should be able to do the paperwork (did it excellent in my case)

3. Any construction contracts in your name (only).

4. All (major) payments for construction preferably as bank transfers from your personal bank account, or if paid cash then with a receipt in your name.

5. Keep all documentation/papers, they are your (only) proof of ownership.

6. Eventually be registered as "house master" when the Blue House Book is issued by tessa ban, it's not a proof of ownership, but might help as supplement, as it's proof of who can approve names to be added in the House Book.

 

You can legally own a house in Thailand, but not the land under the house. If ever re-sold, the land office should be able to register land and building in separate names.

 

The Yellow House Book for aliens/foreigners is just a proof of address, got nothing to do with a house, but handy for obtaining a piunk ID-card for foreigners, and easy proof of address.

????

 

 

Is it possible to have 2 names as the owner of the house? 1 foreigner and the Thai wife?

On 2/12/2019 at 3:53 PM, CraigInBangkok said:

UPDATE .... So everything went well today. Got there just before 10, got everything submitted just before lunch and got passport back just after lunch. 

We had A different  IO who was much nicer this time and even laughed a couple of times. 

 

We managed to get the affirmation though. My wife was reading online that there was no way they would destroy the original as it can be used for evidence. Apparently this turns out to be true. We just had to beg the man to get off his backside and look in a box that wasn't at front of the boxes as it was 6 years old. 

 

So to anyone who gets told they don't keep the affirmation at a district office just be persistent!

 

I can tell you all that, my first marriage extension along with the BOI shit before has been the most stressful week of my life, but I'm happy I went with principles over an agent. If you keep using them, you can't really complain about corruption.

 

Great to hear @CraigInBangkok Congratulations!

So in short from your visa extension based on non-immig IB/B (I assume IB) you were able to request cancellation then apply for a separate extension based on marriage. Is this correct?

Is there any company letter involved/required in the process?

1 hour ago, johnwf1963 said:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/information-for-british-nationals-intending-to-marry-in-thailand

 

After getting it stamped by the BE...

 

The MFA had to process it, before zooming round to Laksi in a taxi, to do the legal marriage before closing time..

Thanks @johnwf1963 !

The 20 days extra is the date my company told boi I was leaving. I am not sure what my origianl visa class was but it was some kind of B. On the extension stamp it just says non-imm, but I guess your visa is tied to your company anyway.
 
My situation became a pain because i had to cancel my visa and work permit before starting the new process for extension. It may be because my visa extension and permit were done through BOI but I guess that it applies to all non-B's. My company gave me enough time to try and get this done. Pretty sure alot of companies wont do this though. 
 
I have been thinking about an agent to get this process done, but I resent paying all that money. I have been in a real relationship for 14 years and tried to do everything by their rules, so I think an agent asking for 15000bht is taking the piss.
 
 

I am on exactly the same situation as you Craig. Although I haven't started the process yet. But I'm willing to get out of Thailand first, get my non-o, come back and apply for extension before 90 days expired. But your post is helpful that I learned about another possible requirement for a first timer like us. I only have 1. Marriage Certificate and 2. Registration of Marriage.

I don't have and never heard about the third, "Affirmation to marry".

Can anybody kindly share how this document looks like?

Many Thanks

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mention=301867]CraigInBangkok[/mention], when you said you have 20 days left, did you mean after you got cancelled you non-immig IB visa extension (I assumen its IB) and work permit they give you 20 days to stay? In what I understand, they only give 7 days after they cancelled WP and visa extension.

I am considering (if possible) to change my non-immig ib extension and apply for 1 year extension based on marriage before I quit work then cancel work permit. Do you think that's possible?

I am on exactly the same situation as you Craig. Although I haven't started the process yet. But I'm willing to get out of Thailand first, get my non-o, come back and apply for extension before 90 days expired. But your post is helpful that I learned about another possible requirement for a first timer like us. I only have 1. Marriage Certificate and 2. Registration of Marriage.

I don't have and never heard about the third, "Affirmation to marry".

Can anybody kindly share how this document looks like?

Many Thanks

19 minutes ago, Justin Side said:

She signs the copy.

I see. Thanks. That was my understanding. I'm overly thinking it could mean I need to certify and stamp at MFA. Better to make sure.

Follow-up question: I work here for almost 2 years and saved the money in the local bank so it's seasoned there for many months. The financial requirement doesn't need to be remitted outside of Thailand, is that right?